Just saw Django [MERGED~> !SPOILER ALERT!]

[Rick Spanish]

dude what the hell... 6 million women children and men being systematically exterminated by decree from the government for 10 years is not an event. And the fact that it was codified by the nazi government means it was an institution.

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest of who suffered worst. I'm just saying that both are black marks in human history.

I said its an event compared to Slavery.. You can't compare a 300+ year institution to a 10 year ordeal.. I've had shoes that lasted longer than the Holocaust..


On the other hand, you can't sit here and compare death camps to slave plantations either. It's commerce vs destruction/eradication.

 

[Thrill3Seeker]

Anyone posted that link yet?

 

[lazarus]

i hope yall got the message, it was supposed to entertain first but subtle things like schultz being a dentist to candyland, leo with messed up teeth, racism was silly and brutal, the last person to get killed is a message of the type that hold us back now, ourselves, and if you stay past the credits you see theres ppl today that cant get past the mindset of being a slave

 

[geechiedan]

First of all Django Unchained is not a comedy it's an action, adventure, western, drama it has comedic elements of humor. It is in no way poking fun at or laughing at the historical tragedy that is slavery. Yes I do believe you can have comedic elements in a holocaust concentration camp WWII movie if it's done like Django Unchained. As long as you treat the tragedy with respect and accuracy and not insensitively trample over a historic event and try to pass it off as entertainment.

But thats what tarantino did..thats the general consensus..most people in this thread call it entertainment and didn't look for any deeper meanings or symbolism at least not like you have. And a good number have noted or complained of hearing people laughing at "inappropriate" places in the film.

No Django Unchained couldn't have been effective anywhere else. It's a western based on the film style of shooting, it's a southern based on it's geography. Tarantino chose the south for his western/southern to make a statement about a part of American history that a lot of white people seems to ignore when dealing with the mindset of whites back then and the horrible treatment of black people and he chose to do it in a not so heavy-handed way.

It's not just about black vs white relations, cattle herders living side by side, you stole my cow where's the justice, yada yada in some western town in Kansas or wherever like most western movie conflicts. It's about a institution of servitude that was perpetuated by whites in the south to justify their racist superiority and perceived inferiority of black people. The plantation south was the perfect place to make this point as the movie deals with old racist mentalities that still linger that has rotted and decayed white people (i.e. this is symbolized in Calvin Candie's teeth). The idea of inferior blacks and slavery is the wrong kind of sweets for whites to devour.

that institution and attitude of servitude extended from "sea to shining sea". Where ever whitey went in this country they exercised a very real privilege of leverage and ownership over whoever they encountered whether it was black, mexican or native american. So any encounter with whites Django would have outside of the south would still carry the weight and attitude of racist/white supremacy and have dire repercussions for him.

As far as the symbolism I think you've gotten much deeper than QT did when he shot the damn thing since he himself isn't pointing out any intention of social commentary.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It also got noms for Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay as well like most overrated films do..

While Oscars are nice, you're giving them too much weight because they back up one particular opinion you hold on one movie. Overrated movies not only get nominations, they win ("Shakespeare in Love", "Titanic", for example).

 

[Rick Spanish]

While Oscars are nice, you're giving them too much weight because they back up one particular opinion you hold on one movie. Overrated movies not only get nominations, they win ("Shakespeare in Love", "Titanic", for example).

"Overrated" is a word that dumb fucks with unpopular opinions use to feel better about themselves.

 

[45mm]

but thats what tarantino did..thats the general consensus..most people in this thread call it entertainment and didn't look for any deeper meanings or symbolism at least not like you have. And a good number have noted or complained of hearing people laughing at "inappropriate" places in the film.



That institution and attitude of servitude extended from "sea to shining sea". Where ever whitey went in this country they exercised a very real privilege of leverage and ownership over whoever they encountered whether it was black, mexican or native american. So any encounter with whites django would have outside of the south would still carry the weight and attitude of racist/white supremacy and have dire repercussions for him.

As far as the symbolism i think you've gotten much deeper than qt did when he shot the damn thing Since he himself isn't pointing out any intention of social commentary.

im mad that you are actually sitting here debating this white boy rick spanish about your history, and how you feel about it. Wtf dan you better than that.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

"Overrated" is a word that dumb fucks with unpopular opinions use to feel better about themselves.

At times. But it's accurate if you see people raving about a movie but when you see it, it fails to live up to the hype.
Anyone going to see a Tarantino movie and expecting anything but visceral entertainment is setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[Rick Spanish]

At times. But it's accurate if you see people raving about a movie but when you see it, it fails to live up to the hype.
Anyone going to see a Tarantino movie and expecting anything but visceral entertainment is setting themselves up for disappointment.

Sounds like a personal problem is what I'm saying. Your opinion doesn't make something fact, especially when the vast majority feel a different way..


IMO this is movie of year, on par, if not better than Inglorious Bastards.. The HFPA, Top Critics, and most movie goers think so as well..



What I think is you set yourself up for failure, and expecting something different than what this film is. I personally knew what to expect because I read the screenplay a year back..

 

[geechiedan]

I said its an event compared to Slavery.. You can't compare a 300+ year institution to a 10 year ordeal.. I've had shoes that lasted longer than the Holocaust..

yeah but if in all those years your shoes systematically destroyed your toes you'd remember that shit and be pissed of anyone acted like it wasn't a serious thing compared to something else..

On the other hand, you can't sit here and compare death camps to slave plantations either. It's commerce vs destruction/eradication.

in the end massive numbers of people were killed and families were destroyed the only difference is the nazis didn't care to make a profit from it.

 

[Rick Spanish]

yeah but if in all those years your shoes systematically destroyed your toes you'd remember that shit and be pissed of anyone acted like it wasn't a serious thing compared to something else..


in the end massive numbers of people were killed and families were destroyed the only difference is the nazis didn't care to make a profit from it.

I'm failing to see your point...



My Point: Slavery (300+ years) can not be compared to the Holocaust (10 years) in any shape or fashion.



You have yet to negate that fact...

 

[ViCiouS]

yeah but if in all those years your shoes systematically destroyed your toes you'd remember that shit and be pissed of anyone acted like it wasn't a serious thing compared to something else..



in the end massive numbers of people were killed and families were destroyed the only difference is the nazis didn't care to make a profit from it.

the Nazis tried many times to make a profit on concentration camps... until they started losing the war each camp was forced labor and medical research /testing labs

 

[ViCiouS]

I'm failing to see your point...



My Point: Slavery (300+ years) can not be compared to the Holocaust (10 years) in any shape or fashion.



You have yet to negate that fact...

so are you saying the holocaust was worse than the slave trade? or the opposite?

 

[Rick Spanish]

so are you saying the holocaust was worse than the slave trade? or the opposite?

Obviously the opposite..



The main point I'm making is they're not comparable..

 

[geechiedan]

I'm failing to see your point...



My Point: Slavery (300+ years) can not be compared to the Holocaust (10 years) in any shape or fashion.



You have yet to negate that fact...

probably because I never compared them to begin with..I have repeatedly said that theyre both dark episodes in history for both groups and when people think of slavery the image of the plantation comes to mind and when people think of the holocaust the image of concentration camps come to mind.

Since QT made revenge fantasies that focused on blacks and jews its curious that he set one on a plantation specifically but the other WASN'T set in a concentration camp.

And you have mello have come up with various reasons why IB didn't NEED to be set specifically in a concentration camp (when it easily could have been) yet are totally okay with QT NEEDING to set Django in a slave plantation.

I find it interesting that you seem insulted at the notion of the holocaust even being mentioned with slavery yet have no problem with QT using slavery/plantation life as fodder for his fiction.

 

[bookman]

Sounds like a personal problem is what I'm saying. Your opinion doesn't make something fact, especially when the vast majority feel a different way..

IMO this is movie of year, on par, if not better than Inglorious Bastards.. The HFPA, Top Critics, and most movie goers think so as well..

What I think is you set yourself up for failure, and expecting something different than what this film is. I personally knew what to expect because I read the screenplay a year back..

You're so not in touch with black folks its sad to watch. Why are you even here? Only an idiot sides with the vast majority, just cuz its a majority. That's how Slavery and Holocaust was condoned in the first place!
You're telling me that Nelly is a better rapper then Nas, because he sold more? That' Yao Ming deserved to make the all star games over Shaq all those years? Everybody knows award shows are usually a sham, WHY? Because biased white people make all the decisions for a multi cultural society, and never account for the voice of the people outside of california. You're clinging to the oscars like a republican would. If you think the movie is great.. argue for it.. But dont use the Golden Globes opinion as your death blow.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Y'all over analyzing, e-militant ass niggas can't ever just enjoy a black film for shit

In all my years of posting here I havent seen it not once

 

[Rick Spanish]

Y'all over analyzing, e-militant ads niggas can't ever just enjoy a black film for shit

In all my years of posting here I havent seen it not once

Sad shit ain't it.. I'm done even reading the posts.



FACT: If you didn't like this film.. You're in the minority.. Live with it, and stop flocking to every fucking thread with Django in the title..

 

[Temujin]

Y'all over analyzing, e-militant ads niggas can't ever just enjoy a black film for shit

In all my years of posting here I havent seen it not once

Hollywood treats black people like shit. In all your years of BGOL'n you haven't figured that out.

I guess it's like once you have knowledge of a situation you can't sit back and be a passive dummy. I guess I could pretend films don't reinforce stereotypes, white supremacy etc. and just watch without thinking about what I am seeing. But I'm not an animal. I can't just watch something and just feel (except porn that's why I love it lol) I have to think.

Maybe it would be nice to turn my brain off give QT 10 dollars and become a moron for 2 hours but I then I would have to look at myself in the mirror.

Some of you brothers may be blessed that you have seen more movies than read books. You may be spared from the pain of your ancestors I am not.

 

[bronski]

Hollywood treats black people like shit. In all your years of BGOL'n you haven't figured that out.

I guess it's like once you have knowledge of a situation you can't sit back and be a passive dummy. I guess I could pretend films don't reinforce stereotypes, white supremacy etc. and just watch without thinking about what I am seeing. But I'm not an animal. I can't just watch something and just feel (except porn that's why I love it lol) I have to think.

Maybe it would be nice to turn my brain off give QT 10 dollars and become a moron for 2 hours but I then I would have to look at myself in the mirror.

Some of you brothers may be blessed that you have seen more movies than read books. You may be spared from the pain of your ancestors I am not.

 

[Rick Spanish]

Funny how folks that claim they're so offended by (based on nothing) and never plan on seeing a film, but they camp in every thread relating to it..


Just call it what it really is.. Your broke, fake militant ass is waiting on that link to drop..

 

[geechiedan]

Sad shit ain't it.. I'm done even reading the posts.



FACT: If you didn't like this film.. You're in the minority.. Live with it, and stop flocking to every fucking thread with Django in the title..

you read the posts so stop lyin

FACT: its a free country and an even freer internet so if you don't want to read opposing opinions on Django don't bother with the thread.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Hollywood treats black people like shit. In all your years of BGOL'n you haven't figured that out.

I guess it's like once you have knowledge of a situation you can't sit back and be a passive dummy. I guess I could pretend films don't reinforce stereotypes, white supremacy etc. and just watch without thinking about what I am seeing. But I'm not an animal. I can't just watch something and just feel (except porn that's why I love it lol) I have to think.

Maybe it would be nice to turn my brain off give QT 10 dollars and become a moron for 2 hours but I then I would have to look at myself in the mirror.

Some of you brothers may be blessed that you have seen more movies than read books. You may be spared from the pain of your ancestors I am not.

To be fair I understand why this movie in particular is very touchy to us as blacks

So if you can't enjoy this film for what it is for that reason I understand

My comment was not solely about this Django as it is every single movie that comes out and the reception it gets here

 

[Rick Spanish]

you read the posts so stop lyin

FACT: its a free country and an even freer internet so if you don't want to read opposing opinions on Django don't bother with the thread.

I read this one only because it's three lines..



FACT: We've heard your opinion... Move your bitch ass on. Go wash your ass. You've been camped in this motherfucker all week discussing a movie you don't like, nigga. You're a sad ass, self important loser.

 

[geechiedan]

all dat shit by you

gotta resort to name calling..now your true colors show..pussy hurt much?

 

[Philli]

Was there any reason why James Remar (Dexter's father) played two different characters within the same movie?

 

[Rick Spanish]

Was there any reason why James Remar (Dexter's father) played two different characters within the same movie?

Kurt Russell dropped out last minute..

 

[Temujin]

I read this one only because it's three lines..



FACT: We've heard your opinion... Move your bitch ass on. Go wash your ass. You've been camped in this motherfucker all week discussing a movie you don't like, nigga. You're a sad ass, self important loser.

Actually I only pop in every 5 pages or so to see you still hanging diligently from Quentin Tarantino Nut sack. Sorry Django means so much to you lol I thought you were done posting lol

 

[Philli]

Kurt Russell dropped out last minute..

Appreciated.

 

[Mello Mello]

But thats what tarantino did..thats the general consensus..most people in this thread call it entertainment and didn't look for any deeper meanings or symbolism at least not like you have. And a good number have noted or complained of hearing people laughing at "inappropriate" places in the film.



that institution and attitude of servitude extended from "sea to shining sea". Where ever whitey went in this country they exercised a very real privilege of leverage and ownership over whoever they encountered whether it was black, mexican or native american. So any encounter with whites Django would have outside of the south would still carry the weight and attitude of racist/white supremacy and have dire repercussions for him.

As far as the symbolism I think you've gotten much deeper than QT did when he shot the damn thing since he himself isn't pointing out any intention of social commentary.

That's not what he did and I don't see this general consensus. What I see is posters who have seen the movie saying they enjoyed it despite the subject matter and other posters who haven't seen it down the movie for it's subject matter. How can they do that if you've NEVER WATCHED THE MOVIE?

Dude go see the movie yourself. What you're trying to do is review the movie through other peoples eyes. You can't; because they didn't see or couldn't see any symbolism doesn't mean there isn't any.

You ever heard of the civil war? You know why they fought that war and the politics behind it? That's why this film was based in the south and not some random state in the country that had white and black people in it. You've said yourself in other post, when you think of slavery plantations come to mind, this was an anti-slavery film so why shouldn't it be in the south?

Taking this faux/pseudo moral stance with curmudgeon attitude against this movie because it director and subject matter are just looking silly right now especially since you haven't even seen it. Since you know more about Tarantino intentions with this film and lack of social commentary what is there for you to discuss further? You've made up your mind about what type of film you think this is without even seeing it. The hype and controversy won.

What's funny is, a lot of you will still watch this film despite your moral protest. You may not pay to see it in theaters, but you will with your time even if you do bootleg it.

 

[geechiedan]

You ever heard of the civil war? You know why they fought that war and the politics behind it? That's why this film was based in the south and not some random state in the country that had white and black people in it. You've said yourself in other post, when you think of slavery plantations come to mind, this was an anti-slavery film so why shouldn't it be in the south?

now thats interesting since Inglorious Basterds opens with jewish persecution and the ultimate symbol of jewish persecution was the concentration camp. The film was an anti holocaust film so why wasn't it set in a concentration camp? And instead of questioning why that would be...you came up with a number of reasons why it DIDN'T need be set there while stating Django NEEDED to be set in a plantation.

The reason I keep going over it is because people like you dismiss the notion that someone could object to the movie on principle. Do I need to see it? NO because I object to the setting and use of a slave plantation for essentially a blaxploitation flick especially in the 21st century. I don't care how he portrayed it its disrespectful on principle for him to go there. Especially for a white man considering we KNOW for a fact that a black director would NOT get the green lite to direct this kind of film. It would be perceived much differently if a black director's name was attached..you know it and I know it.

You ever watch Good Times? Ever notice that the hardest messages and observations in social commentary always came from Michael the youngest least threatening black male on the show...the producers of the show said they purposefully did it that way because biting commentary coming from big black take no shit looking James Evans Sr. would be perceived TOTALLY differently to viewers. And it would turn them off.

Spike Lee does Do The Right Thing doesn't go global and doesn't win an oscar in its category, doesn't even get a best picture nom..no golden globes nothing..

Spike does Malcolm X..no global distribution, no award recognition in the least.

Tough Black Man doing Tough Black Films

Quentin Tarantino does a blaxploitation slave film..worldwide blockbuster hit and already a lock for golden globe and oscar nominations. Gets oscars for his jewish revenge fantasy (thats NOT set in an concentration camp).

And you don't see all kinds of things askew here??? really?? Or do you not wish to consider the hard questions about how hollywood perceives blacks...how black rage has to packaged to america and the world...how we have to find permission or end around plays to express that rage in entertainment media..how things we hold sacred can be used for entertainment fodder?

 

[kool_keef]

I'm just gonna jump in and out of this love-fest real quick just to make my point with the choice of settings. First of all there is no main setting for django unchained beyond 'slavery era southern united states'. Granted the climax of the movie - about the last 30, 45 minutes of it - took place on a plantation, but where the hell else is the dude supposed to rescue his wife from?

Okay, one more question I want to throw out there: If Spike Lee made this movie with the same plot, just shot in the Spike Lee School of Cinematography, and the script written how Spike would've written it, would y'all still have a problem with it? Or does the problem squarely lie with the fact that a white man told the story?

 

[Rick Spanish]

Okay, one more question I want to throw out there: If Spike Lee made this movie with the same plot, just shot in the Spike Lee School of Cinematography, and the script written how Spike would've written it, would y'all still have a problem with it? Or does the problem squarely lie with the fact that a white man told the story?

The latter..

 

[O.G BAMM]

I counted the word"******" 74 times,I guess that is about the norm for a QT flick. This film was entertaining,ut nothig to be taken so seriously. I hear he has a fascination for blood and guts...Why did black folks clap everytime white folks got merked?lol.I had the pleasure of sitting between two of them(white folks). They said the movie was great and applauded at the end...

 

[ZuluSam]

I counted the word"******" 74 times,I guess that is about the norm for a QT flick. This film was entertaining,ut nothig to be taken so seriously. I hear he has a fascination for blood and guts...Why did black folks clap everytime white folks got merked?lol.I had the pleasure of sitting between two of them(white folks). They said the movie was great and applauded at the end...

Because during every slave move every black person has ever seen they at some point thought "I wish one of these slaves would just fuck up every slave owner and overseer in sight." I'm 48 and been waiting on a movie like that and this was it. Times 1000. lol.

And why negroes who haven't even seen the movie writing Whole Essays on the movies? That shit don't make nonsense. Like I said before. They are the types who showed up to class and tried to participate in discussion even though they hadn't read the material. And EVERYONE else could tell they hadn't read he material. But I don't guess enough of you muthafuckas went to college to understand what I'm saying.