Just saw Django [MERGED~> !SPOILER ALERT!]

How do you know this?

Because the white man told you?

I never knew this movie was supposed to be an accurate portrayal of history. Some of you need to make up your mind. We shouldn't care, because it was fictitious and just a movie, but then the N word brought realism. That makes no sense.

Because the white man told me?
Yall are trying too fucking hard.

How hard is it to believe that white people during the time of slavery said the n word as frequently as they wanted to? like it just rolled off of their tongues because there were no consequences? why is that hard to believe.
so no it wasn't out of place because the entire era was fucking horrible and filled with racist and bigots and slavery was accepted and flourished
so
help me understand? do you think them saying n was taboo back then??


i never said anything about we shouldn't care and all of that bs
don't know what to say to that crap.
i went in expecting white people to act like white people back then
and they did.

if you were expecting something else
then i don't really know what to tell you
 
Because the white man told me?
Yall are trying too fucking hard.

How hard is it to believe that white people during the time of slavery said the n word as frequently as they wanted to? like it just rolled off of their tongues because there were no consequences? why is that hard to believe.
so no it wasn't out of place because the entire era was fucking horrible and filled with racist and bigots and slavery was accepted and flourished
so
help me understand? do you think them saying n was taboo back then??


i never said anything about we shouldn't care and all of that bs
don't know what to say to that crap.
i went in expecting white people to act like white people back then
and they did.

if you were expecting something else
then i don't really know what to tell you

You don't know what they called us. You've just accepted the fact that Quentin Tarrantino wanted to use it. He could have called us anything he wanted to in the movie...it was fictional. Did I miss something, the N word added to the movie? I think we got the point that slaves were supposed to be subhuman within the first five minutes. He called us black three times. The hell if some of the shit wasn't unnecessary. It wasn't an accurate portrayal of history. No white man went and bought a black slave to kill white people.

You don't know what derogatory word they called us. He's called us that in every damn movie he's made besides Kill Bill. Was that for historical perspective?

Let me ask you this...how come none of the black people talked shit about the white people. That happen too. At the end of the day, the white man freed Jamie, civilized him, and he was hurt when he died. There really are some good white people, but were there any good black people?
 
You don't know what they called us. You've just accepted the fact that Quentin Tarrantino wanted to use it. He could have called us anything he wanted to in the movie...it was fictional.

you're playing games now bruh
They called us that OPENLY up until the civil rights movement man. slavery didn't end them calling us that. they stayed the same in the open until that point
and they STILL call us that shit now
but you want to say he just wanted to use it we don't know what they called us?
:smh:


Let me ask you this...how come none of the black people talked shit about the white people. That happen too. At the end of the day, the white man freed Jamie, civilized him, and he was hurt when he died. There really are some good white people, but were there any good black people?

What scenes were there with full on uncensored not in the presence of whites or their representatives did they have? When were they talking when Stephen wasn't around or when they didn't believe that Django was a slaver and would report back to the white people what they said?

Did that lady run and cry for Ms Lara?
did they cry for those good white folk?
Only Stephen.



why wouldn't he be hurt? civilized him? he didn't civilize him.. he taught him how to be a bounty hunter.. but he ain't teach django how to read did he? django already knew how..
he taught him how to shoot..
did he explain some terms... yes
he explained some terms to the white dudes that he killed to get him from too remember? when he said big words what did they say?
"speak english" which he was....
 
you're playing games now bruh
They called us that OPENLY up until the civil rights movement man. slavery didn't end them calling us that. they stayed the same in the open until that point
and they STILL call us that shit now
but you want to say he just wanted to use it we don't know what they called us?
:smh:

He made Inglorious Basterds where they had detailed conversations between Germans, and were they shitting on Jews in every conversation?

And you don't think he could have easily replaced or not used the N word in a fictional movie? Oh yeah, it added something.

And I'm playing games :lol:

This shit is silly all right.

Like I say, you act like a hoe, and that's exactly how you'll get treated. And too many of us are the white mans hoe.

I swear I'm talking to a bunch of white dudes.
 
He made Inglorious Basterds where they had detailed conversations between Germans, and were they shitting on Jews in every conversation?

And you don't think he could have easily replaced or not used the N word in a fictional movie? Oh yeah, it added something.

What is could have or should have or would have I didn't speak on that did i? i spoke on what it was and what he did. and how it wasn't out of place or far fetched that they said that shit as frequent as they did. you can question motives all you want to.


And I'm playing games :lol:


you are
white folks didn't call us that
qt just wanted to use the word i guess



Like I say, you act like a hoe, and that's exactly how you'll get treated. And too many of us are the white mans hoe.


that's always the crutch
i don't have a problem with him making a movie showing just how ugly despicable and racist the white folks were.
you do
i'm not a white man's hoe
fall back with that bullshit period.



I swear I'm talking to a bunch of white dudes.

yup
if i don't agree with your sentiment
then i'm white.

you're up in arms
suggesting alternative terms because of what? cause qt made the movie?

he showed how white people were
and still are
they prove the shit every day
but you couldn't take that i guess
i don't know
 
you're playing games now bruh
They called us that OPENLY up until the civil rights movement man. slavery didn't end them calling us that. they stayed the same in the open until that point
and they STILL call us that shit now
but you want to say he just wanted to use it we don't know what they called us?
:smh:




What scenes were there with full on uncensored not in the presence of whites or their representatives did they have? When were they talking when Stephen wasn't around or when they didn't believe that Django was a slaver and would report back to the white people what they said?

Did that lady run and cry for Ms Lara?
did they cry for those good white folk?
Only Stephen.



why wouldn't he be hurt? civilized him? he didn't civilize him.. he taught him how to be a bounty hunter.. but he ain't teach django how to read did he? django already knew how..
he taught him how to shoot..
did he explain some terms... yes
he explained some terms to the white dudes that he killed to get him from too remember? when he said big words what did they say?
"speak english" which he was....


I agree with most of what your saying. But i think he did teach him to read. In that scene where he didn't want to shoot his first bounty King pulled the wanted poster out of his pocket and said consider this today lesson and Django stumbled through it. I don't consider that Civilizing him only cause it was illegal to teach a slave to read. So it wasn't that he was incapable he was denied . And truthfully his many of us would be able to read now if we were denied education
 
I agree with most of what your saying. But i think he did teach him to read. In that scene where he didn't want to shoot his first bounty King pulled the wanted poster out of his pocket and said consider this today lesson and Django stumbled through it. I don't consider that Civilizing him only cause it was illegal to teach a slave to read. So it wasn't that he was incapable he was denied . And truthfully his many of us would be able to read now if we were denied education

today's lesson was not feeling for the bounties
he didn't want to shoot him because he had his son with him
he pulled out the bounty and showed him how bad he was. django was reading fine, he had trouble with a couple of words, so he already knew how to read he just didn't have it down...understandable.
 
did you pay to see the movie?

calling names is yet another tactic :lol:

discuss what i'm saying
don't deflect
show where i'm wrong
show where i'm tripping


nah
just call someone a hoe like it means something

Do you think I paid to see it?

It's nothing to discuss. You're defending the use of the N word in a fictional movie as if it was essential to it. You're defending the white man, rationalizing it and don't even realize it. You actually think white people left the movie thinking how bad slavery was. Like there were some teaching or talking points in the movie? How many times did you laugh? How many times were you disgusted?

So yeah, it's really nothing to discuss. I'm just glad there's members of the board who don't have blinders on.

The white mans still teaching us about ourselves, and all we do is :lol: and :dance:
 
Do you think I paid to see it?

No clue, I know i didn't.





It's nothing to discuss. You're defending the use of the N word in a fictional movie as if it was essential to it.

No. you're up in arms about it in a fictional movie like they should have done something else... they are white. they made the movie. I accepted that fact and watched it for what it was. it isn't defending its not being silly. it isn't unreasonable to think that during that time they talked like that. which is all i was saying. I haven't defended his usage in other movies where it seems, and let's be real he did go out of his way to use the n word. I didn't like those movies. This is about slavery and things come with that.



You're defending the white man, rationalizing it and don't even realize it.

Lots of things you can accuse me of defending the white man isn't one of them.

You actually think white people left the movie thinking how bad slavery was.


No. I think they left not liking how they looked in the movie. OR they were too trivial to even think about it on a deeper level which doesn't matter cause those white people don't matter to me.

Like there were some teaching or talking points in the movie? How many times did you laugh? How many times were you disgusted?

I was disgusted more than i laughed. that's just me.

So yeah, it's really nothing to discuss. I'm just glad there's members of the board who don't have blinders on.

you're the one with the blinders on
so busy trying to be anti when its not even warranted in this instance.

there were no positive white people in this movie
NONE
django was the hero
there are a lot of Stephens on this board
 
Open question to everyone, if a black man made a slavery flick today, how would/should he portray white people in it?
 
I didn't understand the French angle (other than to later point out Dumas was a quadroon) and correct me if I'm wrong but southern crackas were not into Egyptology during the 1850s! I'm talking about the fight club being called "Cleopatra" and the Nefertiti bust...

Oh yes they were. Ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome loomed large in their imaginations and architecture. Not for the average Southern cracka, but it did for the plantation owners.

Don Johnson should have had more screen time...I don't understand why he was shot, did he have a bounty on him or something? I know its fucked up but that damn raid scene with the fucked up masks was funnier than anything Sam Jackson said. Secondly, if there is a Django sequel, best believe Don will be in it. :yes:

He organized a raid on Schultz and Django. Obviously he would have gone back home to re-group and hunt them some more.

To me, Josh Brolin would have made a more believable Calvin Candie...Leo was miscast and so was Jamie Foxx and Kerry. I may be biased because I never found Kerry all that fine. Kerry's current Scandal star power was distracting and she is getting way too much press coverage for saying 10 lines. :smh:


The thing you cats don't get about good acting is that the role has to be a REAL stretch for the actor and they can pull it off. To ME Leo failed in this and if you pay close attention to Jamie in interviews, he tells a story about being willing to endure racist jokes just to make a few hundred dollars playing piano at private parties before he blew up. How big of a stretch would it be for him to play a slave trader? Kerry is well educated, went to private schools and shit...how hard is it for her to play a bilingual house wench? Now Will Smith...imagine that shit...or Denzel in his prime, its well known Denzel is not fond of CACs on set. Those actors would have been stretching it...and would have nailed a gunslinger. Foxx was miscast. Broomhilda should have been a no-name actress with sex appeal.

I thought Leo was cast well and it was a stretch for him. His accent was off at times, almost wiggerish, but his character was entertaining. I agree that Jamie was somewhat miscast, but I damn sure couldn't see Denzel or Will Smith playing this role. You seem to have forgotten "Wild Wild West." Jamie's accent was too inconsistent. Uneducated slave one minute, educated black man the next, and then hood. What struck me most is that Jamie's greatest strength is comedy, but he was not able to use that in this role. For the record, I think Wesley Snipes would have been excellent as Django.

I thought Kerry was very good! She surprised me actually, as I thought she was too "bourgie" to play a role like this. But there were subtle things that her character did, like when she stepped back in the room when Schultz walked over to her, that I noticed.

One more thing...Candie's maids and Hildy wore afro-puffs in several scenes.

I also don't understand how or why Stephen was allowed to read, write let alone sign Candie's checks.

That could have been a style back then, but it was probably more of an homage to 70s blaxploitation flicks.

Stephen was the head house nigga! People are way too unaware of the diverse roles that slaves played on plantations.
 
Open question to everyone, if a black man made a slavery flick today, how would/should he portray white people in it?

depends on the type of film
if its drama
then just as evil as this one just more dramatic.

if action
then just as evil just with action

i want one of them to make a nat turner or harriet tubman movie
there's no reason they can't/couldn't

i'd put up what little money i do have towards the project if they needed financing. just a drop in the bucket...but a drop nonetheless
 
:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

You muthafuckas can boycott if you want to, but the theater I was at was full of niccas and we were cheering all through the movie.

DJANGOOOOOO....muthafuckas....the D is silent...

:gun03::gun03::gun03::gun03::gun03::gun03::gun05::gun05::gun05::gun05::gun05::gun05:

I'm not reading thru 12 pages but this pretty much sums up my sediments about the movie. I need some Django gifs.
 
No one has really discussed it, but what did you think of Sheba? Or, in general, black women serving as concubines to white plantation owners? I know she only had one line, but was she the female counterpart to Stephen, or was she just doing what she had to do to maintain her situation? Notice that she wasn't required to leave the room when Candie was doing business ("I know you ain't mean me"). The movie didn't really explore the issue of black women being used as concubines or sex slaves, only hinted at it when Django mentioned that they would turn Broomhilda into a "comfort girl", and when she was sent up to Schultz room to "entertain" him.

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No one has really discussed it, but what did you think of Sheba? Or, in general, black women serving as concubines to white plantation owners? I know she only had one line, but was she the female counterpart to Stephen, or was she just doing what she had to do to maintain her situation? Notice that she wasn't required to leave the room when Candie was doing business ("I know you ain't mean me"). The movie didn't really explore the issue of black women being used as concubines or sex slaves, only hinted at it when Django mentioned that they would turn Broomhilda into a "comfort girl", and when she was sent up to Schultz room to "entertain" him.

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It looked like from the movie, she was just doing what she had to do.

I do know she was protected though, soon as Candie died, Stephen made it a point to have her help the other one fix the tea or whatever...like your time of not doing shit is over massa dead i run you now.

Hard to tell
 
I watched this movie.

The bootleg version.

My first and lasting impression is this --- fuck the slavery, brutality, Nig references and everything considered offensive.

This was not a good movie.

This was a shit movie.

I have read several posts earlier in this thread.

I have yet to hear from anyone what this movie is about. I have read where folks recount scenes from the movie but they don't tell you what the movie is about.

Is the movie about Django?
Hell no.

It ain't about Django or his lust for vengeance or his desire to be reunited with his wife or his resentfulness toward the system of slavery.

This movie ain't even about black people.
Black folks and slavery are the bots and environment for the story of the Dentist and the Candy Man.

Historically, these 2 types of folk are sworn enemies.

In plainer language, this movie is about the fundamental differences in people seeking to make a living.

You have 2 characters.

One character, the doctor, is a hunter. Specifically, a hunter of human beings for profit.

The other character, the plantation owner, is a herder. Specifically, a herder of human beings for profit.

Hunters are not about the torture or maiming of prey. Hunters kill with a purpose. One shot. One kill. Hunters don't have a blood lust. K-I-L-L.

Herders are about collecting and control. Herders are about increasing the flock and steering the flock and possessing the flock. C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

The doctor roamed the countryside to killed without remorse but had no stomach for torture, abuse or suffering.

The Candy man had his homestead and used all sorts of torture, abuse and suffering to control his flock.

Polar opposites.

This Hunter and Herder so hated the fundamental existence of the other that they couldn't let the transaction stand as is.

The herder had his money in hand but he had to exert his control over the hunter by forcing him to shake his bloody hand less he kill Hilda.

The hunter had his target Hilda but he couldn't confine himself to the control of the herder long enough for Django and Hilda to walk away without incident.

The herder couldn't let him go and the hunter couldn't let him live.

By nature.

Django was a hunter too.

Stephen was a herder too.

This interpretation is the only way I see how this movie has any redeeming quality.
 
No one has really discussed it, but what did you think of Sheba? Or, in general, black women serving as concubines to white plantation owners? I know she only had one line, but was she the female counterpart to Stephen, or was she just doing what she had to do to maintain her situation? Notice that she wasn't required to leave the room when Candie was doing business ("I know you ain't mean me"). The movie didn't really explore the issue of black women being used as concubines or sex slaves, only hinted at it when Django mentioned that they would turn Broomhilda into a "comfort girl", and when she was sent up to Schultz room to "entertain" him.

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Sheba disgusted me. She wasn't the female counterpart to stephan. She was her own entity. Her role was just there to be a hole for massa. But in doing so filled herself with airs.
 
I watched this movie.

The bootleg version.

My first and lasting impression is this --- fuck the slavery, brutality, Nig references and everything considered offensive.

This was not a good movie.

This was a shit movie.

I have read several posts earlier in this thread.

I have yet to hear from anyone what this movie is about. I have read where folks recount scenes from the movie but they don't tell you what the movie is about.

Is the movie about Django?
Hell no.

It ain't about Django or his lust for vengeance or his desire to be reunited with his wife or his resentfulness toward the system of slavery.

This movie ain't even about black people.
Black folks and slavery are the bots and environment for the story of the Dentist and the Candy Man.

Historically, these 2 types of folk are sworn enemies.

In plainer language, this movie is about the fundamental differences in people seeking to make a living.

You have 2 characters.

One character, the doctor, is a hunter. Specifically, a hunter of human beings for profit.

The other character, the plantation owner, is a herder. Specifically, a herder of human beings for profit.

Hunters are not about the torture or maiming of prey. Hunters kill with a purpose. One shot. One kill. Hunters don't have a blood lust. K-I-L-L.

Herders are about collecting and control. Herders are about increasing the flock and steering the flock and possessing the flock. C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

The doctor roamed the countryside to killed without remorse but had no stomach for torture, abuse or suffering.

The Candy man had his homestead and used all sorts of torture, abuse and suffering to control his flock.

Polar opposites.

This Hunter and Herder so hated the fundamental existence of the other that they couldn't let the transaction stand as is.

The herder had his money in hand but he had to exert his control over the hunter by forcing him to shake his bloody hand less he kill Hilda.

The hunter had his target Hilda but he couldn't confine himself to the control of the herder long enough for Django and Hilda to walk away without incident.

The herder couldn't let him go and the hunter couldn't let him live.

By nature.

Django was a hunter too.

Stephen was a herder too.

This interpretation is the only way I see how this movie has any redeeming quality.

:eek: Now this is an original analysis!! Almost like Cain vs Abel! I didn't even catch the "Dentist vs Candy" angle! But why do you say this was a "shit movie" but seem to have gotten to the root of what it was about?
 
:eek: Now this is an original analysis!! Almost like Cain vs Abel! I didn't even catch the "Dentist vs Candy" angle! But why do you say this was a "shit movie" but seem to have gotten to the root of what it was about?

Didn't want to quote his whole post, but it was a great break down.



Sent by radiated carrier pigeon..
 
I watched this movie.

The bootleg version.

My first and lasting impression is this --- fuck the slavery, brutality, Nig references and everything considered offensive.

This was not a good movie.

This was a shit movie.

I have read several posts earlier in this thread.

I have yet to hear from anyone what this movie is about. I have read where folks recount scenes from the movie but they don't tell you what the movie is about.

Is the movie about Django?
Hell no.

It ain't about Django or his lust for vengeance or his desire to be reunited with his wife or his resentfulness toward the system of slavery.

This movie ain't even about black people.
Black folks and slavery are the bots and environment for the story of the Dentist and the Candy Man.

Historically, these 2 types of folk are sworn enemies.

In plainer language, this movie is about the fundamental differences in people seeking to make a living.

You have 2 characters.

One character, the doctor, is a hunter. Specifically, a hunter of human beings for profit.

The other character, the plantation owner, is a herder. Specifically, a herder of human beings for profit.

Hunters are not about the torture or maiming of prey. Hunters kill with a purpose. One shot. One kill. Hunters don't have a blood lust. K-I-L-L.

Herders are about collecting and control. Herders are about increasing the flock and steering the flock and possessing the flock. C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

The doctor roamed the countryside to killed without remorse but had no stomach for torture, abuse or suffering.

The Candy man had his homestead and used all sorts of torture, abuse and suffering to control his flock.

Polar opposites.

This Hunter and Herder so hated the fundamental existence of the other that they couldn't let the transaction stand as is.

The herder had his money in hand but he had to exert his control over the hunter by forcing him to shake his bloody hand less he kill Hilda.

The hunter had his target Hilda but he couldn't confine himself to the control of the herder long enough for Django and Hilda to walk away without incident.

The herder couldn't let him go and the hunter couldn't let him live.

By nature.

Django was a hunter too.

Stephen was a herder too.

This interpretation is the only way I see how this movie has any redeeming quality.
This is actually a great viewpoint.
 
I watched this movie.

The bootleg version.

My first and lasting impression is this --- fuck the slavery, brutality, Nig references and everything considered offensive.

This was not a good movie.

This was a shit movie.

I have read several posts earlier in this thread.

I have yet to hear from anyone what this movie is about. I have read where folks recount scenes from the movie but they don't tell you what the movie is about.

Is the movie about Django?
Hell no.

It ain't about Django or his lust for vengeance or his desire to be reunited with his wife or his resentfulness toward the system of slavery.

This movie ain't even about black people.
Black folks and slavery are the bots and environment for the story of the Dentist and the Candy Man.

Historically, these 2 types of folk are sworn enemies.

In plainer language, this movie is about the fundamental differences in people seeking to make a living.

You have 2 characters.

One character, the doctor, is a hunter. Specifically, a hunter of human beings for profit.

The other character, the plantation owner, is a herder. Specifically, a herder of human beings for profit.

Hunters are not about the torture or maiming of prey. Hunters kill with a purpose. One shot. One kill. Hunters don't have a blood lust. K-I-L-L.

Herders are about collecting and control. Herders are about increasing the flock and steering the flock and possessing the flock. C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

The doctor roamed the countryside to killed without remorse but had no stomach for torture, abuse or suffering.

The Candy man had his homestead and used all sorts of torture, abuse and suffering to control his flock.

Polar opposites.

This Hunter and Herder so hated the fundamental existence of the other that they couldn't let the transaction stand as is.

The herder had his money in hand but he had to exert his control over the hunter by forcing him to shake his bloody hand less he kill Hilda.

The hunter had his target Hilda but he couldn't confine himself to the control of the herder long enough for Django and Hilda to walk away without incident.

The herder couldn't let him go and the hunter couldn't let him live.

By nature.

Django was a hunter too.

Stephen was a herder too.

This interpretation is the only way I see how this movie has any redeeming quality.
:yes::yes::yes:
 
:eek: Now this is an original analysis!! Almost like Cain vs Abel! I didn't even catch the "Dentist vs Candy" angle! But why do you say this was a "shit movie" but seem to have gotten to the root of what it was about?

I dislike the careless exploitation of the black experience to tell this story.

This movie lacked cleverness and creativity.

Kerry Washington had one page of dialogue in a movie nearly 3 hours long.

Jamie Foxx had 3 pages of dialogue in a movie nearly 3 hours long.

This movie was inauthentic on so many levels.

I have never been subjected to slavery but I know the downtrodden. They certainly develop an Us vs Them mentality.

Django never displayed an Us moment in the movie. Django was the most un-black and indifferent character in the movie.

Django didn't organically display any sympathy, affection or passion toward his black wife until the very end of the movie yet he was willing to kill and die for her return.

Furthermore, he never displayed a hint of urgency to reclaim his wife during his time with the Doctor. Upon seeing his wife for the first time in a year, she fakes after he calls her a troublemaker. His connection to her seemed so robotic and fake. He only responded to her suffering with anger. Where was the compassion and humanity of Django hiding during the film?

I didn't care about Django and Hilda in a movie called Django Unchained.

These are some of the reasons why this is a shit movie.
 
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