DJANGO: est $62+ Million in first 6 days - thanks, Spike!

I can barely watch spike's movies when he starts preaching... and Tarantino has long been outed as a hack... but imo BOTH have made contributions to the artform that cannot be denied (Do the Right Thing, Malcolm X, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill)

But all the bgol Django fans seem to miss that the $62M is coming from a 'white' audience... which SHOULD make you wonder who is the movie for?

Does his life story deserve a paraody? Anything other than the truth about what happened then is a mockery and subsequent obfuscation of white people's history in America

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Damn... this burns me to my SOUL... Just how they been carryin it after all these years is the real crime imo... :smh:
PRODUCTION BUDGETS:

Miracle at St. Anna: $45 MILLION (earned $9.1M)
Summer of Sam: $22M (earned $19.3M)
He Got Game: $25M (earned $21.6M)
http://www.the-numbers.com/person/83850401-Spike-Lee

Jackie Brown $12M (earned $72.7M)
Pulp Fiction: $8M (earned $212.9M)
Hostel: $4.8M (earned $81.7M)
http://www.the-numbers.com/person/140200401-Quentin-Tarantino
no disrespect but u cherry pickin and falsifyin imo
Exactly !!! and Justine bieber's record grossed more than Dangelo or maxwell so Justin Bieber gotta be the prince of soul !! These ni99as !! Smdh

I blame Jay-Z and that era
for destroying the public's sense of taste and culture... as a result expensive became artistic and better-selling became superior ...
 
im tired of these niggas talkin bout a move they aint seen...YOU can't debate the movie, you don't know what's in the shit.

has anyone even seen this movie lol...

I'm getting tired of this question/debate. As if seeing a comedy/action film about slavery is going to somehow sway my opinion of the film or the director. Why don't you guys attend a militia/klan rally? No? But have you ever been to one though? :rolleyes:
 
So is the point being made here that one who criticizes another who makes more money than them is a "hater" and renders any point or opinion he may have as invalid or without merit?
 
You tried to pretend that QT produces flops based on Net Gross, and it's bullshit. You started that argument after I proved that other quote of yours to be bullshit.


No I didn't. :lol: I NEVER said QT produce flops. I said he and Spike Lee....man fuck it. Bro have a good night. :lol:
 
Thank's bruh you did both of us a favor. :lol: "Spike Lee is a one hit wonder"....ol' dumb ass nigga. :lol:
In "fairness" to Rick, this was his actual quote:
He's a one-hit-wonder at the Box Office, but he stay criticizing other directors that shit on his Lifetime gross with one film.. That's the point..
It was an appropriate and accurate criticism, because only ONE out of TWENTY Spike Lee movie has ever made over $50M at the Box Office. But y'all (VERY intentionally) chopped off and ignored the last half of his quote to take it completely out of context... which is probably why he stopped fucking with y'all.
http://www.the-numbers.com/person/83850401-Spike-Lee
 
In "fairness" to Rick, this was his actual quote:
It was an appropriate and accurate criticism, because only ONE out of TWENTY Spike Lee movie has ever made over $50M at the Box Office. But y'all (VERY intentionally) chopped off and ignored the last half of his quote to take it completely out of context... which is probably why he stopped fucking with y'all.
http://www.the-numbers.com/person/83850401-Spike-Lee

thats an arbitrary number and criteria...about 7 of spike's films have made a profit (double its production cost) and thats a decent number for ANY filmmaker in hollywood.

But again comparing Spike to Tarantino is apples and oranges in any case.
 
Yea that shit was making 62 million regardless. Shit had NOTHING to do with Spike. These Tarantino revenge flicks like Inglorious Bastard and Kill Bill were all destined to do well. Shit shouldn't be surprising.


The same whites that voted against Obama because he is Black went to see the coon movie to spite Spike who represents Blacks.
 
At the risk of playing spoiler, no one laughed at the mandigo scenes or the black slave getting ripped to shreds by dogs.

And Sam Jackson's character garnered little sympathy from anyone.

In my theater, it was mixed black and white and the dog scene and mandingo fight scene had some people gasping with no laughter at all...as far as Sam Jackson, people laughed but I rarely did...I didn't find his Sambo-ish behavior funny at all...it was my most hated character of the movie really


I've seen the movie twice (two nights in a row) and I can attest this is true with both mixed crowds:yes:. People also gasped at the whip marks on Jamie's back and the scene when Hildie was being beat.
 
I've seen the movie twice (two nights in a row) and I can attest this is true with both mixed crowds:yes:. People also gasped at the whip marks on Jamie's back and the scene when Hildie was being beat.

Damn you paid that honkie twice to see the same movie?
 
In "fairness" to Rick, this was his actual quote:

He's a one-hit-wonder at the Box Office, but he stay criticizing other directors that shit on his Lifetime gross with one film.. That's the point..

It was an appropriate and accurate criticism, because only ONE out of TWENTY Spike Lee movie has ever made over $50M at the Box Office. But y'all (VERY intentionally) chopped off and ignored the last half of his quote to take it completely out of context... which is probably why he stopped fucking with y'all.

BOOM... and I explained it thoroughly too.. Through all of them posts, how many times did I say BO and not critically?.. How many times did I mention that by One-hit-wonder, I meant he has only ONE worldwide commercial success?..


But the illiterate, BGOL dumb fucks hear what they want to hear, while trying to argue you down talking nonsense. It's took 5 seconds to read and understand that fucking post, but a dumb ass nigga cherry picked what he wanted to hear, and started running his mouth about dumb shit..
 
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In "fairness" to Rick, this was his actual quote:
It was an appropriate and accurate criticism, because only ONE out of TWENTY Spike Lee movie has ever made over $50M at the Box Office. But y'all (VERY intentionally) chopped off and ignored the last half of his quote to take it completely out of context... which is probably why he stopped fucking with y'all.
http://www.the-numbers.com/person/83850401-Spike-Lee

Its still incorrect. Like I asked Rick, John Carter made 250 million at Box Office but lost 200 million for Disney. But according to you niggas that shit was a hit because it made over 50 million at box office. That is not how a "box office hit" is judged.

The same whites that voted against Obama because he is Black went to see the coon movie to spite Spike who represents Blacks.

Bruh, in reality nobody gives enough of a fuck about Spike's opinion to go and support a movie in spite of him. All Spike said was he wasn't supporting the flick. :lol: He didn't say "Fuck Tarantino" or no shit like that. Shit that nigga had Tarantino in Girl 6. :lol:

BOOM... and I explained it thoroughly too.. Through all of them posts, how many times did I say BO and not critically?.. How many times did I mention that by One-hit-wonder, I meant he has only ONE worldwide commercial success?..


But the illiterate, BGOL dumb fucks hear what they want to hear, while trying to argue you down talking nonsense. It's took 5 seconds to read and understand that fucking post, but a dumb ass nigga cherry picked what he wanted to hear, and started running his mouth about dumb shit..

Taratino got you crying and cussing for him. :lol: He got you not even seeing straight. :lol: You are the only nigga on the planet who's criteria of a "box office hit" is 50 million. Well you and Hotlanta. But in reality that is not how it works. If you guys worked for Disney at the time John Carter was flopping at the Box Office you niggas would've been fired and you probably would've sued for wrongful firing because the movie made 250 million and would probably ignore its losses.
 
Some of you muthafuckas love you some whitey

Comparing commercial success :smh:

So Quentin Tarrantino isn't shit compared to Peter Jackson and Michael Bay?

Funny how you dudes only do this with the black and white guy, in defense of the white guy.

You don't think anything is wrong with the movie, because you Allen West muthafuckas are coons your damn self.

im tired of these niggas talkin bout a move they aint seen...YOU can't debate the movie, you don't know what's in the shit.

This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

So I have to drive a car to criticize it?

I have to listen to a Trinidad James mixtape to criticize him?

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.
 
This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

So I have to drive a car to criticize it?

I have to listen to a Trinidad James mixtape to criticize him?

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.

Actually, yea it would be better if you actually have knowledge of the thing/person you are criticizing so you can back up your critiques/point with evidence....I really don't know how you can criticize Trinidad James without hearing his music...doesn't make sense...just saying :dunno:
 
Actually, yea it would be better if you actually have knowledge of the thing/person you are criticizing so you can back up your critiques/point with evidence....I really don't know how you can criticize Trinidad James without hearing his music...doesn't make sense...just saying :dunno:

It makes ZERO sense.

That's why Tariq's critique is the one of the few I can take seriously.
 
This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

So I have to drive a car to criticize it?

I have to listen to a Trinidad James mixtape to criticize him?

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.
This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

To criticize how a car DRIVES you have to DRIVE it
To criticize how Trinidad James SOUNDS you have to HEAR him

To criticize how a car LOOKS you have to SEE it
To criticize how Trinidad James LOOKS you have to SEE him

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.


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This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

So I have to drive a car to criticize it?

I have to listen to a Trinidad James mixtape to criticize him?

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.

Actually yea you do. :lol: How can you say Trinidad James is garbage or he wack if you haven't heard his mixtape and you just judging off one song? That's like you just judging Django off its trailer. :lol:

And what on earth can you say about a car you haven't drove yet?
 
I'm a fan of Tarantino's work and I haven't bothered to listen or read Spike's grouse with this movie.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh I heard he hasn't even seen the movie.
 
This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

To criticize how a car DRIVES you have to DRIVE it
To criticize how Trinidad James SOUNDS you have to HEAR him

To criticize how a car LOOKS you have to SEE it
To criticize how Trinidad James LOOKS you have to SEE him

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.


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Complex WILDING with that statement. :lol:
 
Well deserved and of course niggas over hyped shit. I've seen way more offensive movies than this and the use of the word nigga wasn't even more prevalent than in most of your straight to DVD hood movies. Spike is my man but fuck that dude, Django was a great film. I'm going to see it again. It's no Oscar calibur film but it's a great action film with superb dialog.
 
Actually, yea it would be better if you actually have knowledge of the thing/person you are criticizing so you can back up your critiques/point with evidence....I really don't know how you can criticize Trinidad James without hearing his music...doesn't make sense...just saying :dunno:

This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

To criticize how a car DRIVES you have to DRIVE it
To criticize how Trinidad James SOUNDS you have to HEAR him

To criticize how a car LOOKS you have to SEE it
To criticize how Trinidad James LOOKS you have to SEE him

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.

:smh:

I can know what a movie is about to know I don't want to see it. That's how you decide if you want to see a movie or not. You read a synopsis or view a trailer, and it's not something you're interested in. That's what normal people do. Do you have to view a Madea movie to know you won't like it?

I can listen to 30 seconds of Trinidad James to know I don't like him. Why bother listening to someone you know what you don't like? I'm supposed to listen to country first?

I can see a car and know I don't like it or want one. It's done all the time in car threads.

Meaning you don't need to have a total grasp of a subject or article to deliver a verdict. Now go back and read to what I said.

I swear some of you are going out of your way to defend that white muthafucka. I've never heard this bullshit excuse in a Tyler Perry thread.
 
This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

To criticize how a car DRIVES you have to DRIVE it
To criticize how Trinidad James SOUNDS you have to HEAR him

To criticize how a car LOOKS you have to SEE it
To criticize how Trinidad James LOOKS you have to SEE him

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.


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look you don't need to experience the album to be critical of the subject matter. There's a Skin head band called Ginded Nig that has a song called "Splatterday, ****** Day" (true shit:smh:)..now I don't have to listen to this song or look at the video to object to its subject matter or the imagery it projects.

You all dismiss the notion that someone could object to the movie on principle. Do I need to see it? NO because I object to the setting and use of a slave plantation for essentially a blaxploitation flick especially in the 21st century. I don't care how he portrayed it its disrespectful on principle for him to go there. Especially for a white man considering we KNOW for a fact that a black director would NOT get the green lite to direct this kind of film. It would be perceived much differently if a black director's name was attached..you know it and I know it.

You ever watch Good Times? Ever notice that the hardest messages and observations in social commentary always came from Michael the youngest least threatening black male on the show...the producers of the show said they purposefully did it that way because biting commentary coming from big black take no shit looking James Evans Sr. would be perceived TOTALLY differently to viewers. And it would turn them off.

Spike Lee does Do The Right Thing doesn't go global and doesn't win an oscar in its category, doesn't even get a best picture nom..no golden globes nothing..

Spike does Malcolm X..no global distribution, no award recognition in the least.

Tough Black Man doing Tough Black Films

Quentin Tarantino does a blaxploitation slave film..worldwide blockbuster hit and already a lock for golden globe and oscar nominations. Gets oscars for his jewish revenge fantasy (thats NOT set in an concentration camp).

And you don't see all kinds of things askew here??? really?? Or do you not wish to consider the hard questions about how hollywood perceives blacks...how black rage has to packaged to america and the world...how we have to find permission or end around plays to express that rage in entertainment media..how things we hold sacred can be used for entertainment fodder?
 
Dudes is capin hard for Tarentino...hope I see yall cape as hard for your sisters too

This is one of the silliest fuckin statements ever seen.

To criticize how a car DRIVES you have to DRIVE it
To criticize how Trinidad James SOUNDS you have to HEAR him

To criticize how a car LOOKS you have to SEE it
To criticize how Trinidad James LOOKS you have to SEE him

I swear some of you muthafuckas don't think.

Oh I get it ....so YOU had to watch gay porn first before you could say 'that's not for me'??
:smh:

YOU need to think instead of getting all emotional and irrational because people criticize dislike a movie BASED ON THE TRAILER... that is the whole point of the TRAILER... To get you to make a judgement to watch the movie
 
For what it's worth I saw it in red state Alabama and you could hear a pin drop during those scenes. And there was a audible gasp from the audience especially this white woman sitting behind me during the DiCaprio scene at the end where he had a hammer to Kerry Washington's head.

And just one final observation at the criticism I see hurled at the movie that people seem to be missing, at least from my POV. It's not totally accurate to call this a parody of slavery because it makes it seem as if it is a parody of the plight of the slave experience. When what it is and actually did well was point out how ridiculous slavery was -- and insidious when it came to the Mandingo scenes. That it used humor during less weighty scenes to do it was what was provacotive.

But if you see it there wasn't one white person, save Christoph Waltz that came out looking good or particularly smart.
Speaking strictly in a filmic sense it was the Jamie Foxx role who stood the strongest and had the audience cheering at the end. While the first act had humor built into the lead character it was anything but parody by the end.


This right here is the truth that everyone that is criticizing the movie is missing. Django did not romanticize slavery at all. QT didn't write or film this in a way that somehow suggests slavery was cool or desirable. The imagery and dialogue that showcased the institution were both grave and sobering. If QT had depicted the backdrop of slavery as something other than a completely dehumanizing state of existence, then I would certainly agree wholeheartedly with my man Spike, and many of the outraged sentiments expressed in this thread. That's just not the case in this film.


BTW I love many of Spike's films and believe him to be an absolute necessity as one of our greatest voices and most fearless champions in Hollywood. I will always respect him for challenging what he sees as the mockeries and injustices which malign and distort the perception of the Black experience through film and popular culture. That being said, and this has nothing to do with the prevailing topic of discussion, but only my take from a personal experience, Spike Lee is a complete asshole.

So is Chuck D
 
after much internal conflict, went to the theater last night to see it. two friends texted me and said that they enjoyed it.

I watched Red Hook Summer a few days ago to be caught up on SPIKE, too.

Walked out on Django before finishing the movie.

To put this into perspective, EVERY sign was telling me NOT to see this movie, and I never vacillate this much on any thing film-related.

I'm in Torrance, CA, and there was a stabbing at the movie theater across the street where I'd already purchased tickets. Torrance is a nice area, so this was a surprise.

Raced to 4 other SOLD OUT theaters with my boy, Los, before finally catching an 11pm show at The Rave...which was packed.

Cleared my mind, and settled in. I'm a Big Tarantino fan, and prepped myself with Inglorious Bastereds the day before. Again, I have a LOVE / HATE relationship with Quentin. As a filmmaker myself, I think that his work is incredible. That said, I know in my gut that he hates black men. He doesn't realize it, but he hates black men. We have an abusive relationship. One day, I'm going to make a video essay about Quentin's movies, but for the time being, I was expecting to love elements about the movie, and despise the undercurrent of disgust that this dude has towards me as a black man.

I walked out hating this movie COMPLETELY.

Removing the black man part of me and watching this movie objectively, it was a meandering and aimless experience that was poorly paced, cut, and lacked ANY of the elements that I love about Tarantino films. Honestly, it felt so UN-Tarantino, that had you removed his name and put any other director on it (minus the various Leone zoom-ins), I'd have believed it was done by someone else.

The Black Man in me was revolted. This was basically porn. I've never seen wholesale graphic imagery like this used SOLEY for entertainment.

I won't condemn another man for digging this. I don't get into other people's preferences. That said, my boy and I left this joint at the point when they dumped the water on Kerry Washington. I wanted to leave earlier - much earlier- but I was missing cues from the homie, mistakenly thinking that he was engaged. He too, was appalled. From the Black Mandingo fight to the abhorrent slave chicks on Don Johnson's farm, this shit was insulting on nearly every conceivable level.

To me.

Maybe I should loose cred, but if i want to see a 'black superhero' movie posed in a controversial time period, I'll watch Devil in a Blue Dress or Rosewood. Both exceptionally underrated movies.

If Quentin is right in his various interviews, and he believes that young black youth will look to this movie as their movie of CHOICE in a generation....no fucking way while I have any say so.

This movie made me sad beyond belief.

My buddy said it best. After walking out, it's almost like (and he's not even a big QT fan), this fool made a movie that he didn't even put any real effort into. It's like he made what he thinks THAT audience wants to see. Some shit for the lowest common denominator. It was crude, exploitative, and cinematically immature.

Fuck this movie. Spike was dead on.
 
This right here is the truth that everyone that is criticizing the movie is missing. Django did not romanticize slavery at all. QT didn't write or film this in a way that somehow suggests slavery was cool or desirable. The imagery and dialogue that showcased the institution were both grave and sobering. If QT had depicted the backdrop of slavery as something other than a completely dehumanizing state of existence, then I would certainly agree wholeheartedly with my man Spike, and many of the outraged sentiments expressed in this thread. That's just not the case in this film.


BTW I love many of Spike's films and believe him to be an absolute necessity as one of our greatest voices and most fearless champions in Hollywood. I will always respect him for challenging what he sees as the mockeries and injustices which malign and distort the perception of the Black experience through film and popular culture. That being said, and this has nothing to do with the prevailing topic of discussion, but only my take from a personal experience, Spike Lee is a complete asshole.

So is Chuck D

How do you know? Are you a film or culture expert?

The problem is that you don't understand behavioral conditioning and Hollywood's subliminal messages... unless Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen or Michael Richards doesn't scream N****R at the top of their lungs on tape you pretty much are going to be fine with it...

Most of the public don't even understand what the TRUE UNDERLYING message of the hollywood movies are... that's why most of you 'brothers' still feed your seeds that disney poison... cause as long as they don't show blood and don't swear you think it is safe for your kids...
 
Dudes is capin hard for Tarentino...hope I see yall cape as hard for your sisters too



Oh I get it ....so YOU had to watch gay porn first before you could say 'that's not for me'??
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YOU need to think instead of getting all emotional and irrational because people criticize dislike a movie BASED ON THE TRAILER... that is the whole point of the TRAILER... To get you to make a judgement to watch the movie

Some of you dudes logic is failing big time on this one.

The whole point is Spike never saw the film so logically the only thing he can say is I won't see it based on what I think it's about and what I know of the director. That's fair.

But for those of us who have actually SEEN the movie, it fails to hold up to a lot of the presupposed criticism.

Yes, in order to intelligently debate a subject, you need a matter of references.

The problem is dudes who have not seen the film is debating folks who have.

If you have noticed, most of the people who have seen the movie, at the very least thought the "controversy" was overblown and at best loved the film.

I thought it was a good movie and Jamie held his own as a justified lead. Leonardo killed his role and Sam played the best real life Uncle Ruckus ever depicted on film.

Didn't like the storyline, dialogue, performances, cool. But dude are trying to intellectually break down what they THINK the movie is about. :smh:

As far as your gay porn comparison (while odd in it's own right), if I know that's not my thing, I know not to watch it.

But I also won't be trying to break down the scenes and camera lighting also!
 
I'm getting tired of this question/debate. As if seeing a comedy/action film about slavery is going to somehow sway my opinion of the film or the director. Why don't you guys attend a militia/klan rally? No? But have you ever been to one though? :rolleyes:


This is the misconception IMO and probably the source of the backlash against the film. The movie is not about slavery. The time period is just a backdrop for the real story which is a love story. the setting of the movie during the historical period of slavery provides a backdrop for the story which is told though a prism of fantasy and fiction.
 
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