BOOM.. Weirdo fucks are obsessed with talking about some shit they protest to having no interest in seeing..
Spike Lee Talks "Django Unchained"
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BOOM.. Weirdo fucks are obsessed with talking about some shit they protest to having no interest in seeing..
The only thing I see wrong in this Movie going by the clip is the fucking sunglasses. Actual Sunglasses don't hit the scene until 1929. If you watched Inglorious Bastards you know QT is going to fuck with history a bit. I wouldn't expect Roots or Sounder here. If the idea about making a comedy or western about Slavery bothers you its not a new idea. There was a movie called "Skin Game" Staring James Garner and Lou Gosset Jr. and the plot was about Slave owner who sold his slave and would steal him back. Movie was remade 3yrs after its 1st release with Lou Gosset reprising his role.
What I've never understood is Spike actually cast him in one of his films and whenever the media tried to call QT the godfather of modern independent film he would always big up Spike and say he was.
Also I feel like I cant DISAGREE with Spike its his opinion/view.
I havent seen the film either.
but damn...THIS is the film you want to make that stand on, really?
So this film is the WORST film ever and offends not only him but his ancestors?
NO OTHER FILM IN THE PAST 30 years has EVER come close to doing that?
Which has always lead me to believe that his beef with QT goes deeper than the "He put the word N***er a lot in his movies" issue. Tarantino had already put out both Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction by the time Lee cast him in Girl 6.
Yeah he played a casting director at the beginning of the movie.
Tarantino is a culture vulture, particularly when it comes to black culture. Spike's complaint is that Tarantino is trivializing the near annihilation of a race of people for the sake of controversy and making a few bucks. Further complicating the matter is the fact that Quentin has not always fallen on the enlightened side of race relations, gratuitously peppering his movies with the word "******" in ways that weren't even believable.
Denzel got into a fight with Tarantino over this same issue when they were working on Crimson Tide.
I just think Spike should've have stated his case more clearly. Articulate man - don't leave it to chance that people will understand you.
Denzel got into a fight with Tarantino over this same issue when they were working on Crimson Tide.
I just think Spike should've have stated his case more clearly. Articulate man - don't leave it to chance that people will understand you.
Here's an enlightening article about it all...
December 20, 2012 Thursday
SECTION: MOVIES
LENGTH: 1088 words
HEADLINE: Tarantino unchained: Quentin unleashes 'Django'
BODY:
Quentin Tarantino enters a West Village Italian restaurant through the back, a quiet arrival for a filmmaker who is anything but stealthy.
More than most any other director working today, Tarantino's movies are propelled by a ceaseless urge to entertain, both the audience and himself. In richly comic dialogue, gleefully splattered violence and vibrant bombastic color, they announce themselves brashly.
His latest, "Django Unchained," a kind of Spaghetti Western set in the antebellum South, is brazen even by Tarantino standards. Starring Jamie Foxx as a slave taken under the wing of a bounty hunter (Christoph Waltz), the film's strange mix of surrealist comedy, bloody action and brutal depictions of slavery make "Django" arguably Tarantino's most audacious movie yet.
"There is a committed showman aspect to my film that I relish in," says a sweatshirt-clad Tarantino as he settles in behind a table. "I want the audience to have a wild experience at the movies and know that they left their house and did something with their night. I like torturing them from time to time, but also getting them off."
"Django Unchained" not only plunges Tarantino back into the racially sensitive territory that has brought him criticism in the past, it essentially explodes it. The n-word is used more than 100 times in the film. Two especially violent scenes of slavery _ one a Mandingo brawl, the other involving a dog _ even Tarantino calls "traumatizing."
It's a revenge fantasy that, depending on your perspective, makes this either the rare film to honestly present the ugliness of slavery, or one that treats atrocity as a backdrop for genre movie irreverence. It's probably both.
"If the only purpose of this movie was to make a shocking expose about slavery ... that would be well and good. You could definitely do that," says Tarantino. "But this movie wants to be a little more than just that."
It's ironic that Tarantino is now unleashing a movie boasting of historical realism after his last film, "Inglourious Basterds" (the hit of his career, with global box office of $321.5 million and eight Oscar nominations) rewrote history by killing Hitler. "Django," similarly revels in the catharsis of seeing the evildoers of history get their comeuppance.
"With black audiences, they laugh, they just get it," says Tarantino. "Part of the humor is stemming out of: `We were afraid of these idiots?'"
Tarantino's two-part "Kill Bill" and "Death Proof" were also revenge tales, only for women hunting patriarchal stereotypes. Yet from the banter of "Pulp Fiction" to the romance of "Jackie Brown," race has clearly emerged as a dominant theme in Tarantino's films.
"It's the most important subject in America, both from a historical perspective and in our day to day lives," says Tarantino. "There are a whole lot of white filmmakers that might wish to venture into this area but they're afraid. They're afraid of being criticized."
Tarantino was memorably chastised by Spike Lee after the n-word laden "Jackie Brown" for being "infatuated" with the expression. Tarantino says he was "done wrong" by Lee, and that while he doesn't care what Lee thinks of "Django," liking it would be "a nice olive branch."
"Django Unchained," which the Weinstein Co. will release Tuesday, has made an effort to reach out to the black community. Three of the film's stars _ Foxx, Leonardo DiCaprio (who plays a villainous Mississippi plantation owner) and Kerry Washington (Django's wife in need of rescue) _ grace the cover of a recent issue of Vibe magazine. Oprah Winfrey has endorsed it, though she also called it "provocative" and "twisted."
Tarantino is prepared for any coming controversy.
"Not to sound too full of myself, but I guess I have the shoulders to carry it," he says. "You just have to be able to walk the walk and carry it. I'll take the stones that come my way for it. There might be some controversy right now but then that goes away. Frankly, it's a very short amount of time in the course of a life of a movie."
For Tarantino, whose own personal film school was famously had as a video store clerk in Los Angeles, inspiration always starts with other films. "Django Unchained" was motivated by Spaghetti Westerns, particularly those of the Italian director Sergio Corbucci, whose 1966 film "Django" is a godfather to "Django Unchained."
Samuel Jackson, who describes his conniving house servant character as the future "most hated black person in the history of cinema," has worked on nearly all of Tarantino's films. He says Tarantino's interest in race comes less from life than from the movies.
"It's not like Quentin grew up in the hood," says Jackson. "He went to a lot of Blaxsploitation films and his computer-like knowledge of cinema allows him to go to that space."
Still, actually reenacting life on a pre-Civil War Mississippi plantation was jarring for some of the cast. Foxx says wallowing in that world was sometimes painful.
"You stop and think, `Wow, that's what they did to us. They made us animals,'" says Foxx. "So what am I? They're giving me Evian water and heated tents. It's like: OK, I'm tripping a little bit."
After the first screening of "Django" drew a positive reaction, Foxx breathed a sigh of relief. The film has since been nominated for five Golden Globe awards including best dramatic picture.
It has also driven some black viewers to tears. Though producer Harvey Weinstein had suggested breaking the lengthy film into two parts like "Kill Bill," Tarantino wanted to preserve it as one experience, to hopefully have the same stricken moviegoers cheering by the end.
"What I tell people, I say: You're not going to have the same reaction to this movie as a white person would because they don't have that struggle," Foxx says.
Tarantino, 49, has always been particularly aware of his filmmaking legacy, as if imagining his shelf in a video store. He says that he expects to stop making movies by the time he's about 60, not wanting to dilute his filmography with lesser films of old age. He takes the long view on "Django," too, knowing it won't seem contentious when, in a year, it's on cable TV in the afternoon: "It becomes less controversial by being made. It already exists."
History, in the end, has nothing on movie history.
"I'm always aware I'm watching a movie when I'm watching a movie," Tarantino says. "As great as the movie is, I've never forgotten I was watching a movie. It's not the windshield of your car."
December 20, 2012 Thursday
SECTION: MOVIES
LENGTH: 1088 words
HEADLINE: Tarantino unchained: Quentin unleashes 'Django'
BODY:
Quentin Tarantino enters a West Village Italian restaurant through the back, a quiet arrival for a filmmaker who is anything but stealthy.
More than most any other director working today, Tarantino's movies are propelled by a ceaseless urge to entertain, both the audience and himself. In richly comic dialogue, gleefully splattered violence and vibrant bombastic color, they announce themselves brashly.
His latest, "Django Unchained," a kind of Spaghetti Western set in the antebellum South, is brazen even by Tarantino standards. Starring Jamie Foxx as a slave taken under the wing of a bounty hunter (Christoph Waltz), the film's strange mix of surrealist comedy, bloody action and brutal depictions of slavery make "Django" arguably Tarantino's most audacious movie yet.
"There is a committed showman aspect to my film that I relish in," says a sweatshirt-clad Tarantino as he settles in behind a table. "I want the audience to have a wild experience at the movies and know that they left their house and did something with their night. I like torturing them from time to time, but also getting them off."
"Django Unchained" not only plunges Tarantino back into the racially sensitive territory that has brought him criticism in the past, it essentially explodes it. The n-word is used more than 100 times in the film. Two especially violent scenes of slavery _ one a Mandingo brawl, the other involving a dog _ even Tarantino calls "traumatizing."
It's a revenge fantasy that, depending on your perspective, makes this either the rare film to honestly present the ugliness of slavery, or one that treats atrocity as a backdrop for genre movie irreverence. It's probably both.
"If the only purpose of this movie was to make a shocking expose about slavery ... that would be well and good. You could definitely do that," says Tarantino. "But this movie wants to be a little more than just that."
It's ironic that Tarantino is now unleashing a movie boasting of historical realism after his last film, "Inglourious Basterds" (the hit of his career, with global box office of $321.5 million and eight Oscar nominations) rewrote history by killing Hitler. "Django," similarly revels in the catharsis of seeing the evildoers of history get their comeuppance.
"With black audiences, they laugh, they just get it," says Tarantino. "Part of the humor is stemming out of: `We were afraid of these idiots?'"
Tarantino's two-part "Kill Bill" and "Death Proof" were also revenge tales, only for women hunting patriarchal stereotypes. Yet from the banter of "Pulp Fiction" to the romance of "Jackie Brown," race has clearly emerged as a dominant theme in Tarantino's films.
"It's the most important subject in America, both from a historical perspective and in our day to day lives," says Tarantino. "There are a whole lot of white filmmakers that might wish to venture into this area but they're afraid. They're afraid of being criticized."
Tarantino was memorably chastised by Spike Lee after the n-word laden "Jackie Brown" for being "infatuated" with the expression. Tarantino says he was "done wrong" by Lee, and that while he doesn't care what Lee thinks of "Django," liking it would be "a nice olive branch."
"Django Unchained," which the Weinstein Co. will release Tuesday, has made an effort to reach out to the black community. Three of the film's stars _ Foxx, Leonardo DiCaprio (who plays a villainous Mississippi plantation owner) and Kerry Washington (Django's wife in need of rescue) _ grace the cover of a recent issue of Vibe magazine. Oprah Winfrey has endorsed it, though she also called it "provocative" and "twisted."
Tarantino is prepared for any coming controversy.
"Not to sound too full of myself, but I guess I have the shoulders to carry it," he says. "You just have to be able to walk the walk and carry it. I'll take the stones that come my way for it. There might be some controversy right now but then that goes away. Frankly, it's a very short amount of time in the course of a life of a movie."
For Tarantino, whose own personal film school was famously had as a video store clerk in Los Angeles, inspiration always starts with other films. "Django Unchained" was motivated by Spaghetti Westerns, particularly those of the Italian director Sergio Corbucci, whose 1966 film "Django" is a godfather to "Django Unchained."
Samuel Jackson, who describes his conniving house servant character as the future "most hated black person in the history of cinema," has worked on nearly all of Tarantino's films. He says Tarantino's interest in race comes less from life than from the movies.
"It's not like Quentin grew up in the hood," says Jackson. "He went to a lot of Blaxsploitation films and his computer-like knowledge of cinema allows him to go to that space."
Still, actually reenacting life on a pre-Civil War Mississippi plantation was jarring for some of the cast. Foxx says wallowing in that world was sometimes painful.
"You stop and think, `Wow, that's what they did to us. They made us animals,'" says Foxx. "So what am I? They're giving me Evian water and heated tents. It's like: OK, I'm tripping a little bit."
After the first screening of "Django" drew a positive reaction, Foxx breathed a sigh of relief. The film has since been nominated for five Golden Globe awards including best dramatic picture.
It has also driven some black viewers to tears. Though producer Harvey Weinstein had suggested breaking the lengthy film into two parts like "Kill Bill," Tarantino wanted to preserve it as one experience, to hopefully have the same stricken moviegoers cheering by the end.
"What I tell people, I say: You're not going to have the same reaction to this movie as a white person would because they don't have that struggle," Foxx says.
Tarantino, 49, has always been particularly aware of his filmmaking legacy, as if imagining his shelf in a video store. He says that he expects to stop making movies by the time he's about 60, not wanting to dilute his filmography with lesser films of old age. He takes the long view on "Django," too, knowing it won't seem contentious when, in a year, it's on cable TV in the afternoon: "It becomes less controversial by being made. It already exists."
History, in the end, has nothing on movie history.
"I'm always aware I'm watching a movie when I'm watching a movie," Tarantino says. "As great as the movie is, I've never forgotten I was watching a movie. It's not the windshield of your car."
the big difference from Inglorious Basterds and Django is IB is a WAR movie not a HOLOCAUST film..at no point did we see the Basterds run across an internment camp and liberate the malnourished jews being tortured there. If there was a scene like that or the basis of the film was in that would it have been greenlit? The fact that QT could do a film about jews in WW2 specifically and skip the holocaust is curious to consider.
What's next?
300 N words in a movie about the election of the first African American President?
Script will have his white staff calling him nigga while helping him to win
This is you:
What in the holy fuck!!!!
Im convinced some black people truly have stockholm syndrome!
Word!
I won't go see it either. Not because of the content of the movie but because everyone got nominated for an award except the two main characters (Jamie Foxx & Kerry Washington). Tarantino got nominated for best picture and best screen play. DiCaprio got nominated for best supporting actor. In fact, I don't believe any of the black actors/actresses got nominated for a damn thing for their roles in this movie. I'll pass on this one and wait for it to come on cable.
You all do know Tarabtino grew up on black exploitation flicks so thats probably where the use of the n word comes from but fuck Spike. So one can only approach a slave story from his perspective? Nah he' just mad cause he isn't making the actual Roots part 2. I'm not a Spike fan myself and stuff like this is why. Dog you made Girl 6. That wasn't the highlight of black culture. He doesn't want to see it, cool but to act like he really said something...when he didn't. is wack.
I didn't read whole thread.
Spike can get mad yet QTip can't be mad about Trinidad James?
Spike can get mad yet QTip can't be mad about Trinidad James?
i kinda had an issue w/ the whole "re-writing" history thing when i saw "inglorious basterds"...cuz we know good and well adolf hitler and the nazis didnt die as a result of renegade jews who shot 'em up in a movie theater....but there were indeed slave revolts, most notably of course is nat turner....so being that there were real slave revolts and some slaves were able to buy their freedom, by combining the two there is some room for creative license....i think spike's beef is the fact that a movie like this is a black director's dream, but he knows never in a million years would a white owned filiming studio/production company give a black director the green light to create such a film.
Then Spike needs to pony up some money, and make his own fucking film.
Dude just comes across as a hater half the time when he speaks on other directors work. Like he's mad he didn't come up with the idea first..
i hate to say this.. But cats like you have to die for our people to progress. Your white washed mentality is disturbing at best.
You say fuck spike lee, but make excuses for tarantino at the same time..
Black folks are playing a dangerous game in 2012, and its gonna come back to bite us in the ass.
Watch and see
When you say "us" you're talking about dumb fucks like yourself right?.. Nah idiots like you make my skin crawl.
He just made a Jew revenge flick a few years back. It's called Inglorious Bastards, ever head of it?..
No one is championing for anyone to go see shit here. The main point here is niggas pick the wrong fucking battles to fight. Tyler Perry and his Madea character is dealing us much more damage than a slave revolt film.
He just made a Jew revenge flick a few years back. It's called Inglorious Bastards, ever head of it?..
Did you see it
Because you couldn't have to compare the two.
Did you see it
Because you couldn't have to compare the two.
Yes I saw it.. And the two are very comparable IMO, it's not a 1:1 comparaison if that's where you're trying to take it.. But, they're both revenge fantasy films.. Calvin Candie is the answer to "Hitler" from Inglorious Bastards..
Question for the fake militants tho.. Tarantino admitted he was uncomfortable shooting the slave scenes in this picture, and he got Sidney Poitier's (the first Black man to win an Oscar, and someone who actually lived Jim Crow) blessing before he starting shooting this picture. What else should he have done?..
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...ortable-with-slave-scenes-20121218-2bklr.html
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...ortable-with-slave-scenes-20121218-2bklr.html
It's no fuckin comparison. Inglorious Basterds is about the fuckin war and trying to kill Nazi leadership you fuckin retard not the holocaust.
What scenes do you see in concentration camps, them belittling jews and putting them in ovens?
That's like saying Saving Private Ryan was a holocaust movie.
I swear you're one of the dumbest fuckin posters on BGOL. You're too stupid to even be a good troll.
Yeah, because Sidney Poitier is the black representative and speaks for all black people.
You can't be black
This is from a person who fucks with Spike personally, knows he is surrounded by sycophants and had BIG issue with him promoting that Brooklyn Vodka in the hood. I think him seeing the movie first and then voicing his disdain makes far more sense than boycotting it when he is one of biggest targets of getting boycotted by industry for exact same "tunnel vision".
Quentin recycles or just copies and paste most of his movies but that are enjoyable at times....I wasn't paying attention to Django till threads in here.
Someone put it up on board soon so we can discuss it sensibly for a change.
Quentin recycles or just copies and paste most of his movies but that are enjoyable at times....I wasn't paying attention to Django till threads in here.
Someone put it up on board soon so we can discuss it sensibly for a change.
Yea.. I tried to take you off ignore to give you another chance, but you're just too fucking stupid to have an intelligent conversation with.
When do you ever have a rational discussion that doesn't involve moving the goalposts, and trying to rationalize shit to your retarded fucking point of view?.. Why's everyone that busts up your dumb ass arguments a troll?..
Why were they trying to kill Nazi leadership tho?.. To end the HOLOCAUST right? Isn't that what the fucking war was about?..
So let me get this straight tho, it's not a Holocaust movie if Jews aren't getting put in ovens huh?.. So the Diary of Anne Frank wasn't a Holocaust movie either since no one got put in a oven right?.. Gottdamn you're a retarded piece of shit.
YOU'RE the dumbest poster in BGOL history you simple simon ass nigga, and you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself otherwise. Bye nigga.
Yea.. I tried to take you off ignore to give you another chance, but you're just too fucking stupid to have an intelligent conversation with.
When do you ever have a rational discussion that doesn't involve moving the goalposts, and trying to rationalize shit to your retarded fucking point of view?.. Why's everyone that busts up your dumb ass arguments a troll?..
Why were they trying to kill Nazi leadership tho?.. To end the HOLOCAUST right? Isn't that what the fucking war was about?..
So let me get this straight tho, it's not a Holocaust movie if Jews aren't getting put in ovens huh?.. So the Diary of Anne Frank wasn't a Holocaust movie either since no one got put in a oven right?.. Gottdamn you're a retarded piece of shit.
YOU'RE the dumbest poster in BGOL history you simple simon ass nigga, and you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself otherwise. Bye nigga.
the big difference from Inglorious Basterds and Django is IB is a WAR movie not a HOLOCAUST film..at no point did we see the Basterds run across an concentration camp and liberate the malnourished jews being tortured there. If there was a scene like that or the basis of the film was in that would it have been greenlit? The fact that QT could do a film about jews in WW2 specifically and skip the holocaust is curious to consider.
if Tarantino had given IB the exact same treatment as DU then:
*the film would have taken place in Auschwitz.
* there would have been brutal scenes of jews being horribly abused and naked
*the girl who owned the movie theater in the film would be a double agent collaborator with the nazis in an effort to set them up at the camp somehow. She would have most likely been the jumpoff fuck toy of the camp commandant (the master).
*The girl is having an affair with a black man at the camp (there were africans in germany at the time of nazi rule they were experimented on first) and they both collude to take down the commandant (the Hans Landa character retooled here)
* the basterds would have had to pull a raid on the place liberate the jews and execute commandant Landa
And yes it would have to take place in a concentration camp and we would HAVE to see jews being put into ovens. We see the harsh portrayal of american slavery and thats a major factor in motivating all the characters so it would have to be in a parallel version of IB.
now THAT story is closer to Django than the original Inglorious Basterds..but do you honestly think the Studio heads like Harvey WEINSTEIN would green lite the realistic portrayal of a harsh concentration camp in whats basically a fictional action flick??
honestly...
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Yea.. I tried to take you off ignore to give you another chance, but you're just too fucking stupid to have an intelligent conversation with.
When do you ever have a rational discussion that doesn't involve moving the goalposts, and trying to rationalize shit to your retarded fucking point of view?.. Why's everyone that busts up your dumb ass arguments a troll?..
Why were they trying to kill Nazi leadership tho?.. To end the HOLOCAUST right? Isn't that what the fucking war was about?..
So let me get this straight tho, it's not a Holocaust movie if Jews aren't getting put in ovens huh?.. So the Diary of Anne Frank wasn't a Holocaust movie either since no one got put in a oven right?.. Gottdamn you're a retarded piece of shit.
YOU'RE the dumbest poster in BGOL history you simple simon ass nigga, and you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself otherwise. Bye nigga.
You really believe either version of that movie was about Holocaust??????
Yea.. I tried to take you off ignore to give you another chance, but you're just too fucking stupid to have an intelligent conversation with.
When do you ever have a rational discussion that doesn't involve moving the goalposts, and trying to rationalize shit to your retarded fucking point of view?.. Why's everyone that busts up your dumb ass arguments a troll?..
So let me get this straight tho, it's not a Holocaust movie if Jews aren't getting put in ovens huh?.. So the Diary of Anne Frank wasn't a Holocaust movie either since no one got put in a oven right?.. Gottdamn you're a retarded piece of shit.
YOU'RE the dumbest poster in BGOL history you simple simon ass nigga, and you're trying your damnedest to convince yourself otherwise. Bye nigga.
I call you a troll, because that's what you try your damnedest to be. That's why you're in this thread. Unfortunately you're stupid, so that overshadows and negates everything.
So now you're comparing The Diary Of Ann Frank, where they were searching houses to put the jews in concentration camps to Inglorious Basterds? Your stupidity is absolutely amazing to me. See that's the type of shit I'm talking about.
Real shit, a lot of times I'm joking up here to other posters...but I honestly think you're one of the dumbest fuckin posters on BGOL. I often wonder if you're retarded.
Bye bitch, take your window lickin ass to your mom.
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