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It's going to be ugly on Saturday in Tallahassee, Fla.
Savannah State, coming off a 1-10 season in the tiny MEAC conference, is a 70 ½-point underdog to vaunted Florida State, ranked sixth in the country. The Tigers will put four freshman offensive linemen up against one of the best pass rushes in the nation. This, just seven days after Savannah State was obliterated in Stillwater, Okla., 84-0 at the hands of the 18th-ranked Oklahoma State Cowboys.


Already this week a school that many didn't even know existed is now getting slammed by college football pundits nationwide. One expert even wrote that athletic director Sterling Steward, Jr., "ought to be ashamed of himself," scolding the AD for not holding out for more than the nearly $1 million the school received for essentially serving as a battering ram for both OSU and FSU. It's easy to call this game an outright shame, a travesty, and borderline dangerous considering one of the Tigers defenders got a concussion last week in the course of trying to slow down Mike Gundy's freight train of an offense.
But to rip this game is to fail to understand why playing it is so crucial to the school's survival.
:smh::smh::smh:
Savannah State is an HBCU, or a historically black college or university, and in the blunt words of The Network Journal for black professionals, HBCUs are "endangered."


"Most are struggling financially and are having trouble luring potential students," the publication reads. "The financial difficulties affect the schools' ability to recruit and retain students – as well as stay competitive. And statistically, HBCUs are graduating students at lower four-year rates than regular, public-institutions."
Football can help. It might even be the only thing that can help, as the financial troubles are far more overwhelming than a 'Noles defensive line. Just last week, Morris Brown College in nearby Atlanta announced it was facing foreclosure. It's a difficult time for all colleges, but especially HBCUs. How difficult? The endowment for the top 10 historically white colleges is $141.1 billion, according to the National Association of College & University Business Officers. The endowment for the top 10 HBCUs is $1.5 billion. That's not an average; that's the combined endowment. And as you can guess, Savannah State is not in the top 10.
"For being a small school, we have to develop a plan to sustain our athletic program as a whole," Steward said by phone Thursday. "If the opportunity presented itself, we had to take that opportunity.”
Savannah State's total endowment is $4.2 million. That's it. So a $1 million payday (actually $860,000) for two games amounts to a quarter of the university's total endowment and nearly half of the annual football budget. "I have friends at the bigger schools," Steward says. "It's unfathomable what their budgets are compared to mine."

:smh::smh::smh:




In that context, what the Tigers players are doing this month is incredible. If a group of several dozen students at any major school raised a quarter of their school's endowment in the span of eight days, they'd be feted by President Obama at the Lincoln Center (or at least by Anderson Cooper on CNN Heroes). "The Savannah States of the world taking big payouts in overmatched games are obviously not new, and aren't specific to black colleges," says Lawrence Ross, author of The Divine Nine, a study of African-American fraternities and sororities. "But with HBCUs facing increasing threats to their funding, one million dollars is not something to sneeze at when looking to fund an athletic department.”
It was Steward who reached out to Florida State when West Virginia dropped off the Seminoles' schedule because of a move to the Big 12. Steward told Yahoo! Sports he took these games because both Oklahoma State and FSU have wide-open offenses instead of the more physical "ground-and-pound" attacks preferred by schools like Alabama.


He asked more than a dozen players if they wanted to play the games. They all said yes. The largest portion of the money from these dates, he says, will go right back into the football program. Considering the school is still paying for a renovation for a stadium that was nothing short of decrepit up until last year, there was a huge incentive to jump at the back-to-back paydays. With the right financial savvy, Steward can make the school a better place for all students – athletes and non-athletes alike. Don't underestimate the power of a winning football program in boosting the overall health of a school. Putting this money to work is Steward's opportunity and his job. We'll see if he does it.
Regardless of the final score Saturday, the players will have done their job – even if they aren't paid a dime. They will have helped make their campus better. That won't happen with a win on Saturday, but it will happen with money.
Yes, many small schools benefit from the payout that goes with September slaughters. Savannah State is not the first nor will it be the last to go through a thrash-for-cash. But because of its financial situation, and because of the special place HBCUs deserve in our nation's educational system, the Tigers' trials belong in a separate category. Because of what they are doing on these two Saturdays, students that come after them will have a better chance at a better college experience. And since a lot of those students can't afford expensive colleges and might not otherwise get a degree, that's a big deal. So no matter what the score ends up being on Saturday, don't ever say the 'Noles made the Tigers look bad. It's simply not true.
Yes, it's unlikely Savannah State will ever be a stalwart football program – especially in a world where the system favors a handful of superpowers and dozens of also-rans – but you never know what these Tigers' legacy will be.
After all, there was a college not too far from Savannah that was all-female until 1947, when it started a football program. In 1976, a new coach came in and took his team on the road to play powerhouses in Oklahoma (the Sooners) and Florida (the Miami Hurricanes). The final combined score in those two losses was 71-9.
The head coach was Bobby Bowden. The school was Florida State.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--thrash-for-cash-not-such-a-bad-thing-for-savannah-state.html
 
Both sides should be criticized! The Punkass big schools that take those fuck'n games are cowards for doing it too. Those smalls schools don't give a fuck about those kids, they just want that check. Fuck'n Georgia State has only had a fuck'n football program from 3 years and they have already played half the fuck'n SEC. Thats absolutely ridiculous. Alabama is ranked #1 in the country and they have 3 FCS schools on their schedule (I know everyone does it, just using Bama as an example). There is nothing about that, that spells champion.
 
they get paid for taking those games and in some cases those games are the majority of their athletic budget.

basically they are hired crash test dummies for the big schools.

but it can give a little heralded lightly recruited player some limelight.
 
they get paid for taking those games and in some cases those games are the majority of their athletic budget.

basically they are hired crash test dummies for the big schools.

but it can give a little heralded lightly recruited player some limelight.

:lol: Well put
 
HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.
 
I doubt there would be negative press if this school wasn't a HBCU. The article would likely describe the school as scrappy and courageous for playing these powerhouses with no shot of winning. If they're going to call out Savannah State for taking L's for $$$$, then they should chastise the larger schools that pay for wins.
 
Both sides should be criticized! The Punkass big schools that take those fuck'n games are cowards for doing it too. Those smalls schools don't give a fuck about those kids, they just want that check. Fuck'n Georgia State has only had a fuck'n football program from 3 years and they have already played half the fuck'n SEC. Thats absolutely ridiculous. Alabama is ranked #1 in the country and they have 3 FCS schools on their schedule (I know everyone does it, just using Bama as an example). There is nothing about that, that spells champion.
Man I just realized Ga State got their asses MASHED by SC State 33-6, they should be ashamed :smh:
 
HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.

You show a gross ignorance of how college athletics work.
 
HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.

Norfolk state?
 
It's a double edged sword man. Take the cash and suffer a humilating loss or pass up the cash and struggle financially. Personally I really hate how BCS schools like FSU, Alabama, OSU, and Florida schedule these lower level FCS opponents and not schedule more competitve non conference opponents. I remember back in the days when #1 would play #2 during the season but these days these coaches want the easiest route to a championship.


OSU should be ashamed for running up the score against SVU. Yes, he took the starters out in the first quarter but he should have dressed the scout team which is considered a JV team to play against this squad. If FSU runs the score up against this squad then I pray they don't make it to the championship.
 
HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.

And that would change in an instant if the top black athletes went to HBCU's.

That would change the balance of power in sports and then articles like this couldn't be written.

As it is now most lineman at HBCU's are the size of linebackers at BCS
schools.
 
So a $1 million payday (actually $860,000) for two games amounts to a quarter of the university's total endowment and nearly half of the annual football budget.
Guys....... Please let this part marinate on your mind for one second.... some people are missing the bigger picture.
 
Norfolk state?

that is what I'm talking about.
now, what about the big HBCUs like Hampton and Howard. Why can't they compete in college basketball on a high level.

how is it that HBCUs can't recruit top high school basketball players. I'm not talking about the blue chips, but the kids just below that level.

I'm telling you, it is pure incompetence on the part of HBCUs.
 
It's a double edged sword man. Take the cash and suffer a humilating loss or pass up the cash and struggle financially. Personally I really hate how BCS schools like FSU, Alabama, OSU, and Florida schedule these lower level FCS opponents and not schedule more competitve non conference opponents. I remember back in the days when #1 would play #2 during the season but these days these coaches want the easiest route to a championship.


OSU should be ashamed for running up the score against SVU. Yes, he took the starters out in the first quarter but he should have dressed the scout team which is considered a JV team to play against this squad. If FSU runs the score up against this squad then I pray they don't make it to the championship.



The do the same thing in basketnball. Just look at Dukes yearly out of conference schedule.

Embarrassment ? Kids are getting afree education to play football.

They are there because they weren't heavily recruited so its not like they think they are going pro although some will.

Most NCAA athletes will go pro in something other than the sport they play.
 
that is what I'm talking about.
now, what about the big HBCUs like Hampton and Howard. Why can't they compete in college basketball on a high level.

how is it that HBCUs can't recruit top high school basketball players. I'm not talking about the blue chips, but the kids just below that level.

I'm telling you, it is pure incompetence on the part of HBCUs.

Because they haven't won a national championship. haven't had a kid go pro lately don't have an espn tv contract.

Those are the things kids being recruited look at.

What program gives them the best shot at exposure and the pro's.

HBCU's do recruit top athletes but they aren't chjosen. Kids don't care about tradition or pride in HBCU's or that history shit.

They want the biggest name program that offers..And that's also why you see so many transfers because they weren't really good enough for the big schools and the big schools recuit right over them.


Also HBCU's have a smaller ecruiting budget so they try and get more bang for the buck by going to big tournaments were they can see many kids .
 
The do the same thing in basketnball. Just look at Dukes yearly out of conference schedule.

Embarrassment ? Kids are getting afree education to play football.

They are there because they weren't heavily recruited so its not like they think they are going pro although some will.

Most NCAA athletes will go pro in something other than the sport they play.

Well said and I understand where you come from. Hell I played at one of the top D2 programs in the nation. Our school school got paid out for anytime we played an FCS school but it looks really bad when you upper level program loses to a lower level program. We beat FIU, UTC, and some other FCS program during my time there.

Nobody in FBS football wants to be the Michigan of the football world losing to an FCS school. Especially when you were ranked in the top 3
 
Coming from an HBCU that has been on FCS school schedules for a few years now and working in that athletic department, there IS no loss on the HBCU's part. The players absolutely love every part of the experience they get from taking these road trips. They get to test their mettle against a superior opponent and see where they stand. There's the athletes that "wish they could have made it" that get to take the field against an Okie State or a Miami or a Rutgers / Kentucky / WVU and they soak up every second. For some teams, it's a springboard into their normal schedule.

Playing a big school closely (not judged by final score but actual performance. These schools get blown out b/c of the # of student athletes on scholarship more than anything else in quite a few cases with the mid major conference schools) charged up NSU for their MEAC championship run last season. Without taking on Kentucky, Rutgers and WVU multiple seasons before, the program would not have gotten the jolt it needed to stop cellar dwelling. The stadium (already one the "best in the FCS" according to many in size) saw huge upgrades including an HD video scoreboard and visual system. It wasn't sponsored by a company, it was purchased from the surplus in the football budget. New buses for travel, a new home for baseball and renovated field, a new track, so many upgrades were made around the athletic campus because of the growth in the football department.
 
Because they haven't won a national championship. haven't had a kid go pro lately don't have an espn tv contract.

Those are the things kids being recruited look at.

What program gives them the best shot at exposure and the pro's.

HBCU's do recruit top athletes but they aren't chjosen. Kids don't care about tradition or pride in HBCU's or that history shit.

They want the biggest name program that offers..And that's also why you see so many transfers because they weren't really good enough for the big schools and the big schools recuit right over them.


Also HBCU's have a smaller ecruiting budget so they try and get more bang for the buck by going to big tournaments were they can see many kids .

excuses, excuses, excuses.

there really isn't any reason other than incompetence why HSBCs can't compete with the bigger white schools in basketball.

it takes a hardworking coach and AD with a plan. It doesn't happen over night, but over time. Look what Rick Majerus did with Utah. Look at the success a small school like Gonzaga has had in the tournament over the years.

who knows. Maybe Norfolk state is the school that raises the level of basketball at HSBCs. Show the other HSBCs that they can compete on a high level when it comes to college basketball.
 
Coming from an HBCU that has been on FCS school schedules for a few years now and working in that athletic department, there IS no loss on the HBCU's part. The players absolutely love every part of the experience they get from taking these road trips. They get to test their mettle against a superior opponent and see where they stand. There's the athletes that "wish they could have made it" that get to take the field against an Okie State or a Miami or a Rutgers / Kentucky / WVU and they soak up every second. For some teams, it's a springboard into their normal schedule.

Playing a big school closely (not judged by final score but actual performance. These schools get blown out b/c of the # of student athletes on scholarship more than anything else in quite a few cases with the mid major conference schools) charged up NSU for their MEAC championship run last season. Without taking on Kentucky, Rutgers and WVU multiple seasons before, the program would not have gotten the jolt it needed to stop cellar dwelling. The stadium (already one the "best in the FCS" according to many in size) saw huge upgrades including an HD video scoreboard and visual system. It wasn't sponsored by a company, it was purchased from the surplus in the football budget. New buses for travel, a new home for baseball and renovated field, a new track, so many upgrades were made around the athletic campus because of the growth in the football department.

Part of what your saying is actually really true. Good perspective fam. I played in the MEAC as well. The one thing that pisses me off about HBCU's is how well they play OTHER HBCUs but fold when it comes to the white Universities in FCS. There is no reason why a HBCU hasn't won a FCS championship in years, thats so messed up.

Your right, the lead up and the money is good, but when FAMU is watching LSU (just a hypothetical example) score their 70th fuck'n point in the 3rd quarter and their QB has been smashed for his 20th time, and their WRs all have dinosaur arms because they done got their ass handed to them over the middle and the OL is throwing OLAY blocks, all on national TV, that shit is demeaning for those kids!
 
excuses, excuses, excuses.

there really isn't any reason other than incompetence why HSBCs can't compete with the bigger white schools in basketball.

it takes a hardworking coach and AD with a plan. It doesn't happen over night, but over time. Look what Rick Majerus did with Utah. Look at the success a small school like Gonzaga has had in the tournament over the years.

who knows. Maybe Norfolk state is the school that raises the level of basketball at HSBCs. Show the other HSBCs that they can compete on a high level when it comes to college basketball.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

But I can tell you also no nothing of the recruiting process personally or even second hand.
 
HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.

That's because all those "big white Universities" have the best black players.
 
excuses, excuses, excuses.

there really isn't any reason other than incompetence why HSBCs can't compete with the bigger white schools in basketball.

it takes a hardworking coach and AD with a plan. It doesn't happen over night, but over time. Look what Rick Majerus did with Utah. Look at the success a small school like Gonzaga has had in the tournament over the years.

who knows. Maybe Norfolk state is the school that raises the level of basketball at HSBCs. Show the other HSBCs that they can compete on a high level when it comes to college basketball.
man gtfoh with this bullshit Utah university endowment is close to 700 million dollars

Gonzaga stats
<dl class="stat-group"><dt class="stat-header"> 2011-2012 Tuition </dt><dd> <dl class="stat"><dt>$31,730</dt><dd>tuition and fees</dd></dl> </dd></dl> <dl class="stat-group"><dt class="stat-header">Students</dt><dd> <dl class="stat"><dt>4,805</dt><dd>enrolled</dd></dl> <dl class="stat student_gender_distribution"><dt>47%</dt><dd> male / </dd></dl> <dl class="stat student_gender_distribution"><dt>53%</dt><dd>female</dd></dl> </dd></dl>Religious affiliation Roman Catholic


Howard Stats
<dl class="stat-group"><dt class="stat-header"> 2011-2012 Tuition </dt><dd> <dl class="stat"><dt>$19,741</dt><dd>tuition and fees</dd></dl> </dd></dl> <dl class="stat-group"><dt class="stat-header">Students</dt><dd> <dl class="stat"><dt>7,147</dt><dd>enrolled</dd></dl> <dl class="stat student_gender_distribution"><dt>33%</dt><dd> male / </dd></dl> <dl class="stat student_gender_distribution"><dt>67%</dt><dd>female</dd></dl>2010 Endowment $399,678,000
</dd></dl>

two things stand out here... :hmm:
 
The $ is good for Sav. State, but there's a big difference in talent, speed, athleticism, & size.

As long as no one gets hurt real bad, let the smaller schools get that bread...they prolly need it.

The big schools aren't getting any "truth" about their programs by beating-up these fcs schools.

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excuses, excuses, excuses.

there really isn't any reason other than incompetence why HSBCs can't compete with the bigger white schools in basketball.

it takes a hardworking coach and AD with a plan. It doesn't happen over night, but over time. Look what Rick Majerus did with Utah. Look at the success a small school like Gonzaga has had in the tournament over the years.

who knows. Maybe Norfolk state is the school that raises the level of basketball at HSBCs. Show the other HSBCs that they can compete on a high level when it comes to college basketball.

Hampton did the same thing before NSU did though. They beat Iowa, remember? You're talking like an NCAA

They aren't excuses, it's the truth. Its not just the school itself, you also have to look at rules and guidelines put in place by the conferences. The MEAC itself isn't going to allow any of its schools to "get too big for their britches" and strike off on their own. The fat cats of the conference (private schools, Hampton being the main culprit) are happy with getting alumni money off of history. They don't want to have to continue to dump $$ into something when they don't HAVE to. SC State and NSU are two schools that are trying to take the steps to grow.
 
Can't really fault SSU especially when it could help them upgrade facilities, add scholarships or fund other football expenses.

What's really sad is when an HBCU forfeits a conference game to go play an FBS school for $500k because of a scheduling snafu.

*cough* Delaware St. *cough* :smh:
 
Part of what your saying is actually really true. Good perspective fam. I played in the MEAC as well. The one thing that pisses me off about HBCU's is how well they play OTHER HBCUs but fold when it comes to the white Universities in FCS. There is no reason why a HBCU hasn't won a FCS championship in years, thats so messed up.

Your right, the lead up and the money is good, but when FAMU is watching LSU (just a hypothetical example) score their 70th fuck'n point in the 3rd quarter and their QB has been smashed for his 20th time, and their WRs all have dinosaur arms because they done got their ass handed to them over the middle and the OL is throwing OLAY blocks, all on national TV, that shit is demeaning for those kids!

I hear you, but from what i've seen, the kids fold up against their own level of competition too... Not just HBCUs, but MOST of the schools that run into a powerhouse like LSU, Bama, etc. When William & Mary played UVA a few years back though, they played up until the final second and gave a beating just like they took one. It's football. Those players from Troy or FAU or UL-Lafayette fold up just like those kids from Ga State or NSU or Montana do. Difference is, HBCUs don't HAVE the cash flowing in their programs yet to get the things that will bring in better recruits to give their program a chance against the mid majors yet. They're still small fish in a small pond (FCS). So to GET that cash (which will NEVER come from alumni or donors like larger / white schools) they take these licks and try to make them seem like what they are, an opportunity to get better and see what you've got. Not just the players on the field, but the coaching staff, admin and program as a whole.
 
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The HBCU's need the money in the athletic dept to keep sports going. Black folk don't support them schools. The real question should be why did top black athletes abandon the HBCU's. Plenty Hall of Famers came from HBCU's but the minute white schools started recruiting them dudes never consider the schools that produced the most productive people of OUR race. :smh:
 
The HBCU's need the money in the athletic dept to keep sports going. Black folk don't support them schools. The real question should be why did top black athletes abandon the HBCU's. Plenty Hall of Famers came from HBCU's but the minute white schools started recruiting them dudes never consider the schools that produced the most productive people of OUR race. :smh:

Ask Reggie Bush.. That $$ talks. :lol:
 
I doubt there would be negative press if this school wasn't a HBCU. The article would likely describe the school as scrappy and courageous for playing these powerhouses with no shot of winning. If they're going to call out Savannah State for taking L's for $$$$, then they should chastise the larger schools that pay for wins.

:cool: because college has no preseason the bigger schools normally played IAA or smaller schools.

that is what I'm talking about.
now, what about the big HBCUs like Hampton and Howard. Why can't they compete in college basketball on a high level.

how is it that HBCUs can't recruit top high school basketball players. I'm not talking about the blue chips, but the kids just below that level.

I'm telling you, it is pure incompetence on the part of HBCUs.

HBCUs ain't shit.
they can't even compete with the big white universities in fucking Basketball.

every year during march madness, some small white college goes on a run. You never hear of a HBCU going on a run in March Madness.

pure incompetence and laziness on the part of ADs from HBCUs that they can't even compete in basketball against the bigger white universities.

And it was pure failure on the part of your parents :smh:

Do you have a college degree?

The HBCU's need the money in the athletic dept to keep sports going. Black folk don't support them schools. The real question should be why did top black athletes abandon the HBCU's. Plenty Hall of Famers came from HBCU's but the minute white schools started recruiting them dudes never consider the schools that produced the most productive people of OUR race. :smh:

They still do, just not in athletics.
 
Star recruit thinking process:

Go to an HBCU, get a full ride, hope to get on TV and play a "big school" so scouts pay attention, hope make it to the NFL to make the money you couldn't make as a student.

Go to USC, get a house, get a stipend, get a "job" where I don't even have to show up, watch money migrate to my bank account and see my family get taken care of, play on national TV every week, make Sportscenter every week, be the face of a "franchise", become a celebrity, live in LA and get treated like a hollywood star does.

Which would YOU choose?
 
The HBCU's need the money in the athletic dept to keep sports going. Black folk don't support them schools. The real question should be why did top black athletes abandon the HBCU's. Plenty Hall of Famers came from HBCU's but the minute white schools started recruiting them dudes never consider the schools that produced the most productive people of OUR race. :smh:


Money usually guarantees exposure and access to the best resources (indoor practice facilities, crowds with a minimum of 30k fans, national TV, top-notch training staff).

I don't think it's really any different than academics. Why do top black students elect not to attend HBCUs?
 
how can you criticize a team for playing the best competition?
who is anyone to say someone has no shot?
fuck the dumb shit, even the money aspect
these kids go out there and play hard and try to win and that's all that counts in my opinion let them live let them play leave them alone
 
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