Breaking Bad *series finale 9/29/2013

[cranrab]

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I think the purpose of showing the discussion between Hank and his superior, and the following conversation between Hank and Gomez was to show the illegal nature of the tail and subsequent arrest of the attorney.

insubordination is not illegal.

and there is nothing illegal about casual surveillance of dan wachsberger.

the dialogue of Saul chastising Mike for using that attorney and calling him a hack was to communicate to the viewer that the attorney was incompetent and his arrest should have and could have been avoided.

fair and plausible. but as LSN pointed out, surprisingly out of character (lazy writing) for mike to hitch his wagon to an incompetent professional.

you will hear Gomez say "I sweated the guy for 14hours..."

Its main purpose is to instill fear into a suspect and illicit an admission of guilt or confession. They even laugh about it. This was yet another way for the writers to communicate to the viewer that this arrest was less about legitimate procedure and more about an overzealous cop and an incompetent suspect (which coincidentally is about as real as it gets in criminal law).

even if we skip over attorney dan wachsberger waiving his 5th amendment rights,

even if we skip over attorney dan wachsberger waiving his 6th amendment rights,

even if we skip over the admissibility of statements dan wachsberger may have made (interview v. arrest), a prior leap in logic is required.

specifically, what subject did SA steven gomez have to "sweat" dan wachsberger about?

 

[LSN]

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dont know 'bout that!

EVERY attorney knows to shut it!

this shit is getting lamer by the week!

Even if he was just a bullshit frontman lawyer for the 9 in prison I could understand/believe that...but that Mike would trust this dude w/ millions is just beyond me...you mean to tell me Jesse and Walt chose a better lawyer to do their dirty work than Mike a former cop and current hitman w/ major connections!? Gustavo is rolling in his grave

 

[Flawless]

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fair and plausible. but as LSN pointed out, surprisingly out of character (lazy writing) for mike to hitch his wagon to an incompetent professional.

Naw I'm sure Saul think every other lawyer except for himself is incompetent

 

[gene cisco]

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Terrible writing. Why in the blue fuck would Mike keep his granddaughters nest egg in the same bank with the 9 criminals? But he's still smart enough to have a "go bag" for back up.

Do the writers think fans are that stupid that we know that the lawyer didn't have to say shit when he got caught putting money in the boxes?

 

[Amajorfucup]

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insubordination is not illegal.

and there is nothing illegal about casual surveillance of dan wachsberger.

Who said insubordination was illegal? I said the tail and arrest were of an illegal nature (and they were). I also said the writer wanted to paint a clear picture of an overzealous cop who skirted procedure to make an arrest. I dont see how this is debatable.

fair and plausible. but as LSN pointed out, surprisingly out of character (lazy writing) for mike to hitch his wagon to an incompetent professional.

My response wasnt to examine the decision making of Mike and question the vetting process of his choice in representation/delivery boy. It was merely to address the legal and procedural issues brought up by a few.

...even if we skip over the admissibility of statements dan wachsberger may have made (interview v. arrest), a prior leap in logic is required.

What laws of evidence or what constitutional violations would prevent ANY of those statements from being admissible at trial? Stop it.

As for a leap in logic, you do realize this is a show about a cancer striken high school teacher turned drug dealer who last season managed to take down a cartel connected kingpin by conspiring with his arch enemy who happened to be a wheelchair confined mexican gangster right????

specifically, what subject did SA steven gomez have to "sweat" dan wachsberger about?

Affiliation with Mike? Being part of a criminal conspiracy? Possession of over 135,00 cash? Use your imagination.

 

[LSN]

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Terrible writing. Why in the blue fuck would Mike keep his granddaughters nest egg in the same bank with the 9 criminals?

That's the part that kills me...they woulda just caught the lawyer w/ the weekly/monthly allowance costs for the 9 dudes

 

[cranrab]

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What laws of evidence or what constitutional violations would prevent ANY of those statements from being admissible at trial? Stop it.

stop what?

you are aware the differences between interview and arrest, no?

was SA steven gomez wearing his gun during questioning? were they in a locked room? did dan wachsberger feel as though he were free to leave at any time?

every DEA SA is aware of these important aspects of conducting an interview. so should a criminal (and other areas) attorney.

Affiliation with Mike? Being part of a criminal conspiracy? Possession of over 135,00 cash? Use your imagination.

he hires mike from time to time as a private investigator? plausible.

part of a NEW criminal conspiracy which had nothing to do with the gustavo fring investigation? mike ehrmantrout's NEW funds were not proceeds from the fring investigation, so the DEA (or anyone outside of jesse, walt) would have NO idea or reason to question him about those proceeds.

possession of a large sum of cash inside a bank is nothing to raise an eyebrow over.

 

[gene cisco]

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That's the part that kills me...they woulda just caught the lawyer w/ the weekly/monthly allowance costs for the 9 dudes

Exactly. Shit is just a rushed way to kill off Mike and fuck up the pay offs.

 

[Amajorfucup]

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stop what?

Talking about something you clearly dont have a understanding of.

Example being you mentioning the waiver of ones 5th amendment rights. Exactly when did the attorney do that?

you are aware the differences between interview and arrest, no?

Very. Which is why i referred to him being interrogated as a suspect.

was SA steven gomez wearing his gun during questioning? were they in a locked room? did dan wachsberger feel as though he were free to leave at any time?

Whats this have to do with him cooperating?

every DEA SA is aware of these important aspects of conducting an interview. so should a criminal (and other areas) attorney.

You're right. Crim lawyers should know. Others...not so much. But again, my response is only saying what i think the writers were communicating about the scene and its players.

part of a NEW criminal conspiracy which had nothing to do with the gustavo fring investigation? mike ehrmantrout's NEW funds were not proceeds from the fring investigation, so the DEA (or anyone outside of jesse, walt) would have NO idea or reason to question him about those proceeds.

possession of a large sum of cash inside a bank is nothing to raise an eyebrow over.

Actually this would all be apart of the same criminal enterprise sir. And carrying that amount of cash ANYWHERE is grounds for confiscation. Especially under those set of facts.

And again man, im not trying to explain it all away and quiet all your concerns. Im merely saying that it isnt as shitty a writing job as some may think.

 

[O.J PIMPSON]

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Ya'll are nitpicking now!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cranrab]

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Talking about something you clearly dont have a understanding of.

i had a successful career in this very field, so i know very well what i'm talking about.

i don't refer to a field office as a "station".

i know the DEA investigation protocol, so i know breaking bad writers got lazy, took creative license and made jumps for the sake of saving pages.

mike ehrmantrout's newly gained funds were from the sale of the pilfered methlyamine, not from anything related to the gustavo fring organization. some of the players were the same, but BRAND NEW criminal conspiracy.

OJP, you may be right. this may be nit-picking. but even with fiction characters and situations must have some grounding in reality.

 

[cranrab]

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carrying that amount of cash ANYWHERE is grounds for confiscation. Especially under those set of facts.

problem is, that in our near-omniscient POV as viewers, we are privy to the relationship that mike ehrmantrout and dan wachsberger had. SA steven gomez was not.

that's the leap.

SA steven gomez surveils the attorney based on a flimsy suspicion. a fishing expedition. fine. not a big deal.

SA steven gomez follows him to a bank with a piece of luggage, NOT AT ALL SURE of the contents of the luggage. documents? money? narcotics? even if the presumption is money, so what?

the logic the writers employed (through hank) is the following:

9 guys don't talk

must be loyal or must be paid

common link of 9 defendants is dan wachsberger

follow dan wachsberger

fine.

problem is that there is nothing beyond that interest. but the story needed to move along, so the attorney supposedly flips under a grueling interrogation.

meh.

 

[Amajorfucup]

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cranrab,i dont disagree much with your last post (nor does it really debunk or refute anything i have said). My original response stands that the storyline isnt as outlandish (or lazy) as some have implied earlier. I think the writers clearly painted a picture and added enough dots that a reasonable viewer could connect them without using too much effort (theres only about 40minutes per episode to work with).

If we can enjoy that train swap scene without uproar then we can certainly accept the attorney arrest scene as a plausible series of events.

 

[cranrab]

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If we can enjoy that train swap scene without uproar then we can certainly accept the attorney arrest scene as a plausible series of events.

but i have a suggestion that would've made the writing genius.

suppose the DEA already found the listening device, and both hank and gomez were putting on high theater for walt. this would mean that hank finally suspects walt is involved as heisenberg.

plausible, because when mike ehrmantrout was listening in the last time we saw, hank was talking about fund raising for little league. i've NEVER heard an ASAC talk about fund raising for little league uniforms.

plausible, because look at the obvious prop that was staged in hank's office. the "surveillance" stills were from the bank entrance, but they were numbered as though they were related to the 9 safety deposit boxes.

plausible, because SA steven gomez talked about a 14 hour session with dan wachsberger, but wasn't he wearing the same clothing that he wore when he confronted dan wachsberger at the bank? bank hours are generally 9 to 5, so the timing must be bogus, right?

plausible, because even if SA steven gomez sweated dan wachsberg over the money discovered at the bank, that's only a CIVIL forfeiture. SA steven gomez would have no criminal teeth to apply any pressure.

but that nice theory all goes out the window because they got dan wachsberger to cooperate and make the call to mike ehrmantrout for a meet at the park.

the writers blew a nice opportunity there.

 

[cranrab]

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and to switch gears to another topic of the "say my name" episode, did anyone else feel slighted by mike ehrmantrout's "escape" from the park?

he was able to escape on foot?

left his grand daughter there alone?

meh.

 

[PhillyTheKid]

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and to switch gears to another topic of the "say my name" episode, did anyone else feel slighted by mike ehrmantrout's "escape" from the park?

he was able to escape on foot?

left his grand daughter there alone?

meh.

This....

It was bullshit. Mike loved his Granddaughter more then life itself. His granddaughter was the most important person in his life. His granddaughter was the reason he was in the game and now leaving the game. I don't believe there is anyway in hell Mike (if he were real) would leave his granddaughter at that park ALONE, just so he could save his own ass and escape. Hell, the writers had Mike leaving his granddaughter at that park without even a quiver or giving it a second thought.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

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That was a tough one there for Mike. I wanted a longer scene too (with the cops arriving to the park). Mike knew he was FUCKED at that point ... but like fam' noted ^ ... his granddaughter was his #1, and the reason why he was involved all this shit (with Gustavo Fring / Walter White) ... to set up that MAJOR nest egg for her ... a shitload of money for her to step into as she got older. As fam' have noted ... they have had to rush things this season (with writing and plot), so it'll be interesting to see if we get any follow-up with the GRANDDAUGHTER in episode 8 (or in Season 5 - Part II next year). Or do they just cap off her storyline like that? Seems shitty though 'cuz Mike had the biggest piece of the pie money-wise set aside for him amongst Gus' immediate peeps.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

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[LSN]

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This....

It was bullshit. Mike loved his Granddaughter more then life itself. His granddaughter was the most important person in his life. His granddaughter was the reason he was in the game and now leaving the game. I don't believe there is anyway in hell Mike (if he were real) would leave his granddaughter at that park ALONE, just so he could save his own ass and escape. Hell, the writers had Mike leaving his granddaughter at that park without even a quiver or giving it a second thought.

I wouldn't go that far...imo it seems obvious that it was tearing Mike up as he considered that option...he's not the sole guardian of the granddaughter...so it'd be pointless to get arrested even tho the idea of abandoning her temporarily didn't sit well w/ him

 

[AllState17]

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One part that i do not get is... Why did Jesse back Walter and his plan when Mike was gonna shoot him?

I fail to see how Jesse was gonna get his cut in all of this, unless he was willing to at least start out the partnership along with Walter.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

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CONTOVERSY!

This series is the worst of all 5.

There I've said it.

Too much about Walt's megalomania, not enough showstopping drama, no new characters, not much tension, not enough Jesse, not enough Mike, not enough Saul, not enough Hank's wife, no Walt Jr.

The only thing going for it has been the photography, Bryan Cranston's acting , the 2nd episode's script, the first episode in its entirety for sheer awesomeness, but overall, a bit of a damp squib compared to the other series.

Unless something spectacular happens in the final instalment, this series will be quite forgettable in the grand scheme of things.

 

[GAMETHEORY]

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the show was supposed to end last year

but amc wanted another season or something shit like that

i heard vince talking about it on the podcast

They shot themselves in the foot a bit by killing off Gus at the end of the last series. It's almost like a complete reboot with much of the time spent having to get everything back up and running. They could have left killing off Gus for the series (not season) finale though my guess is that they felt Walt had to get to the very top before his inevitable fall.

I think all the pieces are in place now. There are easter eggs all over the place to be found (the ricin, the methlamine by the railway track) which will eventually lead to Walt. I suspect that Hank will get sucked into Walt's world against his better judgment the same way that everybody else has (Jesse, Mike, Skylar).

 

[BenQ]

Last episode of 2012

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

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the show was supposed to end last year

but amc wanted another season or something shit like that

i heard vince talking about it on the podcast

If I remember correctly it wasn't that it was supposed to end at the end of last season it was that their contract with AMC was up and they weren't sure if they were going to get renewed for a new season.

All during the filming of season 4 it appeared that they wouldn't get a season 5 with AMC and would either not get to do it at all or would have to try to find another network that would be willing to fund one or two more seasons of their show (which wouldn't be likely) so they ended season 4 by tying up all loose ends in case they didn't get to do season 5 while at the same time leaving room for them to come back if they did get another season.


http://screenrant.com/breaking-bad-season-5-amc-yman-126580/

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

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They shot themselves in the foot a bit by killing off Gus at the end of the last series. It's almost like a complete reboot with much of the time spent having to get everything back up and running. They could have left killing off Gus for the series (not season) finale though my guess is that they felt Walt had to get to the very top before his inevitable fall.

Yeah - season 4 was THE SHIT with Gus and Walt going at it.

Only problem with television personalities is their other commitments. Take for instance Raymond Cruz who played "TUCO" ... he had to depart for his other series obligation(s). As for Giancarlo Esposito ... same thing. He has his roles with ONCE UPON A TIME (from 2011) and REVOLUTION (debuting fall 2012), amongst other projects.

From what I've heard and read in the past ... a full season of Breaking Bad can take up several months, so it's interesting to see where the actors bide their time elsewhere. We've seen Bryan Cranston picking up more roles in recent years ... such as:

- The Lincoln Lawyer
- Drive
- Rock of Ages
- Total Recall
- etc.


Whereas prior to that ... earlier in the 2000s he was focused on the Fox series MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE.

 

[Deltronz]

What's funny is those complaining about this season might be the same people saying last season was the worst when it was on. *shrugs*

 

[LSN]

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What's funny is those complaining about this season might be the same people saying last season was the worst when it was on. *shrugs*

Let's see if you can actually back that statement up w/ quotes

 

[LSN]

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What's funny is those complaining about this season might be the same people saying last season was the worst when it was on. *shrugs*

Ironically the only poster who complained about season 4 being the "worst" is actually in here upset about those posters who are complaining about this season...go figure

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

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Season 4 was the reason so many of us were amped for season 5. Fuck ... if that was not some of the best television ever (in 2011), then I don't know what is. That shit was LEGIT with Gus / Hector / Walt, and all the rest of 'em. Those scenes by the pool. Especially the flashback scene. Gus (present day) taking out their whole crew. COLD-BLOODED. The whole cat & mouse game with Gus & Walt all season ... each making life hell for the other. Shit was on point. It definitely helped having Esposito and Cranston in there too ... both on top of their respective games. Those muthafuckas can ACT.

 

[BenQ]

Season 4 was the reason so many of us were amped for season 5. Fuck ... if that was not some of the best television ever (in 2011), then I don't know what is. That shit was LEGIT with Gus / Hector / Walt, and all the rest of 'em. Those scenes by the pool. Especially the flashback scene. Gus (present day) taking out their whole crew. COLD-BLOODED. The whole cat & mouse game with Gus & Walt all season ... each making life hell for the other. Shit was on point. It definitely helped having Esposito and Cranston in there too ... both on top of their respective games. Those muthafuckas can ACT.

Season 4 was the best

 

[Complex]

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Let's see if you can actually back that statement up w/ quotes

Ironically the only poster who complained about season 4 being the "worst" is actually in here upset about those posters who are complaining about this season...go figure

 

[GlennQuagmire]

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Anyone else not watch the teasers? I never do that. I can't be the only one.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

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and to switch gears to another topic of the "say my name" episode, did anyone else feel slighted by mike ehrmantrout's "escape" from the park?

he was able to escape on foot?

left his grand daughter there alone?

meh.

This....

It was bullshit. Mike loved his Granddaughter more then life itself. His granddaughter was the most important person in his life. His granddaughter was the reason he was in the game and now leaving the game. I don't believe there is anyway in hell Mike (if he were real) would leave his granddaughter at that park ALONE, just so he could save his own ass and escape. Hell, the writers had Mike leaving his granddaughter at that park without even a quiver or giving it a second thought.

you two hit it on the head!

i watched that episode twice.

both times that left a funny feeling w/ me.

& on top of that, he just vanished into thin air to escape.

shit is like g.o.t, w/ the fantasy!

police never even mention this, when they serve search warrant,.

One part that i do not get is... Why did Jesse back Walter and his plan when Mike was gonna shoot him?

I fail to see how Jesse was gonna get his cut in all of this, unless he was willing to at least start out the partnership along with Walter.

REALLY doesnt make sense, seeing as he was

so insistent on just wanting his $, & going on his way. doesnt add up!

with how this season has gone thus far, they should have stopped @ 4.

 

[Complex]

Re: The Official " Breaking Bad Season 5 " thread

and to switch gears to another topic of the "say my name" episode, did anyone else feel slighted by mike ehrmantrout's "escape" from the park?

he was able to escape on foot?

left his grand daughter there alone?

meh.

This....

It was bullshit. Mike loved his Granddaughter more then life itself. His granddaughter was the most important person in his life. His granddaughter was the reason he was in the game and now leaving the game. I don't believe there is anyway in hell Mike (if he were real) would leave his granddaughter at that park ALONE, just so he could save his own ass and escape. Hell, the writers had Mike leaving his granddaughter at that park without even a quiver or giving it a second thought.

Apparently according to the official podcast

He had seconds to escape, because the perimeter they were setting up was just starting to form. He didn't leave his granddaughter he took her and dropped her off

That whole sequence was sort of sloppy and seemed hastily done

 

[cranrab]

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He didn't leave his granddaughter he took her and dropped her off

That whole sequence was sort of sloppy and seemed hastily done

sloppy is being generous.

mike ehrmantrout was able to walk forward to the swings and leave the park on foot with his grand daughter?

that's horrible.

so 2 units (with 2 men sitting on his vehicle) didn't have his photograph or a description of the target?

but they knew what park he was at, that he was with his grand daughter, and they knew his vehicle.

bah.