Amway or Scamway

[Q004]

No

I'm simply stating I can understand why some would feel its a "scam" but by using the true definition of the word scam - Amway does not meet the criteria. Is it silly and a waste of time, yes! but a scam No.

If people think that it isn't a great opportunity or there's better ways to make money, that's perfectly fine.

However, don't label things that are perfectly legal as a scam, nor act like the industry can generate billions of dollars without success stories.

People should just say they don't think it's a good business, calling it a scam is slander and factually incorrect.

 

[Q004]

The funny thing about this thread is I would never sign up for Amway

I just have the intelligence and honesty to know that just because I don't like a certain program, doesn't mean it's a scam. I don't even like MLM's that much in general...but I know some cats who getting it in and won't knock it.

Primerica is an MLM and was owned by Citigroup, and I know family members who made a living for several years on it. Visalus is a decent looking MLM on the rise with tons of celebrity endorsement. There's other interesting companies as well. Primerica sells life insurance, Visalus sells health products. Both sell totally legitimate products and are backed by legit people.

As I said, there is no major difference between many of these companies and a franchise, the cost of entry and the quality of the base is just much lower. Also many suffer from not having the buying power to bring costs low enough or over-incentivize referrers, making the cost not competitive enough.

Sure, a normal business will have a higher success rate than an MLM. However, most normal business can't be started for little to no money and zero experience.

If you guys can list me all the little or no cost, no experience necessary businesses opportunities that have a higher success rate than MLM's and network marketing opportunities, I'd be interested in checking them out.

 

[black-n-tan]

If people think that it isn't a great opportunity or there's better ways to make money, that's perfectly fine.

However, don't label things that are perfectly legal as a scam, nor act like the industry can generate billions of dollars without success stories.

People should just say they don't think it's a good business, calling it a scam is slander and factually incorrect.

I am tired of discussing this so I am going to drop this little tidbit then haul ass...

Technically, it could be considered a scam. Just because you are investing time instead of money, since time is money and you never get the time you spent back, you were scammed.

 

[Q004]

I am tired of discussing this so I am going to drop this little tidbit then haul ass...

Technically, it could be considered a scam. Just because you are investing time instead of money, since time is money and you never get the time you spent back, you were scammed.

In a capitalist society, your time is only worth you are able to generate or get someone to pay you. You're referring to a meritocracy or communism.

In any commission based business, if you generate nothing you make nothing. You might as well call any business where a person can fail or any job based on commission a scam.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

So now something that is not a scam is technically a scam?

 

[Chico Fontane]

I am tired of discussing this so I am going to drop this little tidbit then haul ass...

Technically, it could be considered a scam. Just because you are investing time instead of money, since time is money and you never get the time you spent back, you were scammed.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

 

[Q004]

So now something that is not a scam is technically a scam?

Niggas will twist and turn to call anything they don't like a scam.

Even if you think Amway is garbage and no one makes money, a failing business is not a scam, it's just a business that doesn't make money. A scam is something that does something illegal or is intentionally misleading.

 

[black-n-tan]

In a capitalist society, your time is only worth you are able to generate or get someone to pay you. You're referring to a meritocracy or communism.

In any commission based business, if you generate nothing you make nothing. You might as well call any business where a person can fail or any job based on commission a scam.

So now something that is not a scam is technically a scam?

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/index.htm

 

[Q004]

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/index.htm

Can you give me a link to Barack being a secret Muslim who wants to destroy America while your at it? Or maybe you can give me links to Apple or Walmart being evil empires?

I'm certain you'll find them on google.

 

[Q004]

Look guys, I found an article about Google Adsense being a scam, steer clear of them and never try to make money by just driving traffic: http://webupon.com/money-making/google-adsense-not-worth-the-time-not-worth-the-effort/

Did you know that 99% of people who put google ads on their site never make any decent money?

Steer clear you guys, I rather do something safer like cut lawns if I want to open a business.



I personally make grands off google, but I guess I'm just a scammer too

 

[black-n-tan]

Can you give me a link to Barack being a secret Muslim who wants to destroy America while your at it? Or maybe you can give me links to Apple or Walmart being evil empires?

I'm certain you'll find them on google.

Just check out the comments section. There are people like you on there, as well as people who spent years doing this. Check out the comments before you dismiss this.

 

[Q004]

Just check out the comments section. There are people like you on there, as well as people who spent years doing this. Check out the comments before you dismiss this.

It's simply irrelevant, as there are tons of failures in any opportunity and negative articles written about any business,which was the the purpose of my post.

Unless you are knowledgeable about the subject, it's as useful as people who post articles who don't have any inside knowledge about what their talking about, regardless of the subject.

 

[black-n-tan]

It's simply irrelevant, as there are tons of failures in any opportunity and negative articles written about any business,which was the the purpose of my post.

Unless you are knowledgeable about the subject, it's as useful as people who post articles who don't have any inside knowledge about what their talking about, regardless of the subject.

It IS inside knowledge of the subject. Since you claim to have nothing to do with Amway you might learn something.

 

[Q004]

It IS inside knowledge of the subject. Since you claim to have nothing to do with Amway you might learn something.

The website basically goes into reasons why they don't think Amway is good, it's irrelevant to whether it's a scam. Why can't you get that thru your skull? It doesn't matter how competitive a companies prices are, how high the success rate is or whether or not it's "cultish," that doesn't make it illegal and it doesn't make it a scam.

If you don't think a company is very good, that does not make it a scam. If there are better opportunities out there, it still doesn't make it a scam. Unless you wish to just destroy the meaning of the word scam and just use it to fit anything you don't like.

 

[cthomas0964]

Think of Amway the way you think about Avon.

You gotta sell stuff to your friends, Family, coworkers, strangers etc

Amway was founded in 1959, so if it is a scam, I hope that it would be shut down by now
US$9.2 billion for the year ending December 31, 2010. Thats a nice scam.

I went to a meeting years ago and it felt like a religious cult meeting.
It was NOT for me, But could be for you,

c/s

 

[black-n-tan]

The website basically goes into reasons why they don't think Amway is good, it's irrelevant to whether it's a scam. Why can't you get that thru your skull? It doesn't matter how competitive a companies prices are, how high the success rate is or whether or not it's "cultish," that doesn't make it illegal and it doesn't make it a scam.

If you don't think a company is very good, that does not make it a scam. If there are better opportunities out there, it still doesn't make it a scam. Unless you wish to just destroy the meaning of the word scam and just use it to fit anything you don't like.

I am not saying it is a scam, I am saying entry level people have a very low success rate. The comments that I am referring to that you refuse to read defend your point but they also have people who have gotten to fairly high levels and explains what they go through. If you refuse to look, then there is nothing more to say. I really hope others look though.

 

[Q004]

I am not saying it is a scam, I am saying entry level people have a very low success rate. The comments that I am referring to that you refuse to read defend your point but they also have people who have gotten to fairly high levels and explains what they go through. If you refuse to look, then there is nothing more to say. I really hope others look though.

The website doesn't have a single positive thing to say about the company, I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a fair and balanced review.

 

[black-n-tan]

The website doesn't have a single positive thing to say about the company, I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a fair and balanced review.

I saw positive things in the comments section. There are negatives too but it gives you a look into the company. Its worth looking at.

 

[black-n-tan]

The website doesn't have a single positive thing to say about the company, I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a fair and balanced review.

The comments section has positive things, of course there are negative things but these comments are just about ALL from people who actually are in the program or have been in the program. This is certainly worth reading for anyone who wants to do this.

 

[Q004]

The comments section has positive things, of course there are negative things but these comments are just about ALL from people who actually are in the program or have been in the program. This is certainly worth reading for anyone who wants to do this.

If I wanted an honest review of the program, I'd go to an MLM forum, not a website where every article is about it being a bad company.

 

[black-n-tan]

If I wanted an honest review of the program, I'd go to an MLM forum, not a website where every article is about it being a bad company.

Once again, the comments are not all negative. Can you recommend an MLM forum?

 

[Q004]

Once again, the comments are not all negative. Can you recommend an MLM forum?

http://www.mlm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35313&p=331300&hilit=quixtar#p331300
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/f475-.html

I'm sure I see a lot of other websites for them and I've ran across a few before. There are people in the industry who like Amway and people who don't like Amway, but if you want to evaluate the merits of the company or the industry... you shouldn't google sites that are built specifically to talk bad about it. It's like giving me a link to hannity.com or stormfront to evaluate the presidents job performance.

 

[black-n-tan]

I have been googling this subject for a while and this Quixtar/Amway stuff is looking pretty scary. I urge anyone interested in this to do a google query like "Is Amway a good company?". The stuff that comes out is pretty interesting. There is a LOT more going here than selling soap. Q004, I don't know what you are selling but the Amway folks are hurting people. Nothing more to discuss here, just do a google search.

 

[Q004]

I have been googling this subject for a while and this Quixtar/Amway stuff is looking pretty scary. I urge anyone interested in this to do a google query like "Is Amway a good company?". The stuff that comes out is pretty interesting. There is a LOT more going here than selling soap. Q004, I don't know what you are selling but the Amway folks are hurting people. Nothing more to discuss here, just do a google search.

People who do good in a program -> Praise it.
People who fail -> Call it a scam.

It's the same with any such company.

 

[black-n-tan]

People who do good in a program -> Praise it.
People who fail -> Call it a scam.

It's the same with any such company.

Its not that simple, I am not even calling it a scam. I'm just saying people should not listen to my opinions OR yours, just do a search.

Here is what Chris Hanson from Dateline NBC reports...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/ns/dateline_nbc-consumer_alert/t/pursuit-almighty-dollar/#.UDrOKMFlQts

 

[Q004]

Its not that simple, I am not even calling it a scam. I'm just saying people should not listen to my opinions OR yours, just do a search.

Here is what Chris Hanson from Dateline NBC reports...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/ns/dateline_nbc-consumer_alert/t/pursuit-almighty-dollar/#.UDrOKMFlQts

I agree, you should do your research...but you should do your research from sites and people not dedicated to bash a particular topic. Like how I posted the article against Google, I can post articles against Ebay, etc... show you stories of people getting burned, etc.

Not to say negative reviews should be totally ignored, however if your looking for negative shit... you will find it and be talked out of any similar opportunity.

 

[black-n-tan]

I agree, you should do your research...but you should do your research from sites and people not dedicated to bash a particular topic. Like how I posted the article against Google, I can post articles against Ebay, etc... show you stories of people getting burned, etc.

Not to say negative reviews should be totally ignored, however if your looking for negative shit... you will find it and be talked out of any similar opportunity.

Okay, read what Chris Hansen says from his research then tell me this is still something good to get into, I don't think he failed at it... or have you been trained just to ignore all negative stuff about Quixtar?

 

[darth frosty]

This is starting to remind me of fuzzy mcnutt arguing against fuzzy mcnutt

 

[black-n-tan]

This is starting to remind me of fuzzy mcnutt arguing against fuzzy mcnutt

I think Fuzzy Mcnutt is winning this argument!

 

[Q004]

Okay, read what Chris Hansen says from his research then tell me this is still something good to get into, I don't think he failed at it... or have you been trained just to ignore all negative stuff about Quixtar?

The first line of the article is "Thousands of true believers gathered in celebration at arenas across the country"

Do you expect to be reading an unbiased review after such a smarmy opener?

"The more people they recruit, the richer they can get. And richer, and richer and richer. Sound too good to be true? We thought it did. "

Once again, he's actually has taken a statement that is factually true, and switched it to not being true. The more people you recruit, does equal the more you can make.

Most of the rest of the article is just talking about people who had a hard time or those who thought they would do good and didn't do as well. As I've stressed before, no one is guaranteed an income in such a business. That most people fail in a program that cost next to nothing to join, doesn't require skills or experience.... it's not surprising at all.

Like I said, if you know a ton of programs where a person is almost guaranteed to make good money, that cost less than Amway and are easier to get started in....then list them and maybe something beneficial might come out of this thread. It has never been my argument that Amway is the best opportunity to get into.

 

[black-n-tan]

The first line of the article is "Thousands of true believers gathered in celebration at arenas across the country"

Do you expect to be reading an unbiased review after such a smarmy opener?

"The more people they recruit, the richer they can get. And richer, and richer and richer. Sound too good to be true? We thought it did. "

Once again, he's actually has taken a statement that is factually true, and switched it to not being true. The more people you recruit, does equal the more you can make.

Most of the rest of the article is just talking about people who had a hard time or those who thought they would do good and didn't do as well. As I've stressed before, no one is guaranteed an income in such a business. That most people fail in a program that cost next to nothing to join, doesn't require skills or experience.... it's not surprising at all.

Like I said, if you know a ton of programs where a person is almost guaranteed to make good money, that cost less than Amway and are easier to get started in....then list them and maybe something beneficial might come out of this thread. It has never been my argument that Amway is the best opportunity to get into.

...but the thread is about Amway, not other MLM opportunities. Personally, I would love to try putting up a store web site and try to sell products, I would set it up then turn it over to my kid but I'll be damned if I'm paying for books and tapes every month and attending "motivational" meetings.

 

[Q004]

When I was younger and I started up businesses on shoe string and it didn't work out, I had nobody to blame but myself. If I wasn't driving enough traffic, I could only blame myself. If I wasn't getting enough sales....once again, I could only blame myself. Or sometimes, I could try to blame the consumer for not realizing how good my product or service was lol, but I couldn't go much further then that.

When a person joins an opportunity like Amway. If they can't drive enough traffic or get enough people interested, it's Amways fault. If they're not making enough sales, it's Amways fault. Amway is purposely sabotaging them in a program that is impossible to work. Or Amway is not doing a good enough job at training them, etc.

As long as the responsibility of success is shifted to the program instead the individual, then you'll never truly have an unbiased analysis.

 

[Q004]

...but the thread is about Amway, not other MLM opportunities. Personally, I would love to try putting up a store web site and try to sell products, I would set it up then turn it over to my kid but I'll be damned if I'm paying for books and tapes every month and attending "motivational" meetings.

You don't think that if you start up a website to sell a product and you have no money or experience, you might experience a ton of the same hardships the people who fail in Amway are whining about?

 

[black-n-tan]

You don't think that if you start up a website to sell a product and you have no money or experience, you might experience a ton of the same hardships the people who fail in Amway are whining about?

No I won't. First of all, I would not invest what I could not afford, right now I waste a lot of money so it would feel good doing something positive with it. Second, I know plenty of ways to advertise web sites, I have just never done it for myself. I think it would be a fun thing to set up, if I ever get around to it.