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Killa keeping it raw as usual.
What's your thoughts towards these dudes doing another unbelievable task and restructuring their contacts again next summer?
Whats your take on the Heat tackling these issues:
Juan Howard
Mike Miller
Joel Anthony

I would say Miller and Howard are gone after this season.
 
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Y'all need to chill on two things:

1)Miami being a dynasty. We don't know what other teams will do to improve and MIA roster due to contracts will not be changing much and in it's current state, they are not where they need to be yet.

2)Series might not be over. I mean if OKC can win this next game, the door will open up for them. Yeah MIA squeaked out a win in game 2 but odds are OKC winning at home.
 
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I would say Miller and Howard are gone after this season.

Miller already said he's gonna retire and Juwan will probably hang it up if he gets his ring.

Anthony's locked up for another year or two. I'm not claiming dynasty but people need to realize the Heat is a top flight, player friendly organization. How many have a custom made plane just to fly players around?

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Talented vets will continue to take less to play in Paradise on a championship team.
So the question is, who's next years Shane Battier?
 
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I would say Miller and Howard are gone after this season.


yea, it would've been nice to seen Mike at full strength once in these playoff, just to see this lineup going ape wild.


Wade
Miller
James
Battier
Bosh




No matter what happens in these next few games, i know there will be some chances, there's a small chance they could add three to four players.
Some vets will be very open to joining forces, but at the same time getting two young player would be idea and a vet.
 
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Y'all need to chill on two things:

1)Miami being a dynasty. We don't know what other teams will do to improve and MIA roster due to contracts will not be changing much and in it's current state, they are not where they need to be yet.

2)Series might not be over. I mean if OKC can win this next game, the door will open up for them. Yeah MIA squeaked out a win in game 2 but odds are OKC winning at home.

1) LeBron is coming into his prime and has a hunger for championships. Who can match his killer instinct and will to win right now? People been telling guys like Melo, Dwight, cp3, etc that they dont need rings. Or at least give em a pass for it long as they just make the playoffs. Who is gonna boss up and stop him from collecting more the next 4-5 years?

2) OKC cant beat MIA 3 straight games
 
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Miller already said he's gonna retire and Juwan will probably hang it up if he gets his ring.

Anthony's locked up for another year or two. I'm not claiming dynasty but people need to realize the Heat is a top flight, player friendly organization. How many have a custom made plane just to fly players around?

miamiheat.jpg

Todd-_Heat_plane_detail.JPG


Talented vets will continue to take less to play in Paradise on a championship team.
So the question is, who's next years Shane Battier?




correct two have already showed interest in south beach

Ray Allen & Jason Terry

If they could add a Ryan Hollis & Gerald Green type of player, that would be nasty. To keep developing Cole and start to work Terrell Harris(if they resign him) along with Pittman.
 
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1) LeBron is coming into his prime and has a hunger for championships. Who can match his killer instinct and will to win right now? People been telling guys like Melo, Dwight, cp3, etc that they dont need rings. Or at least give em a pass for it long as they just make the playoffs. Who is gonna boss up and stop him from collecting more the next 4-5 years?

OKC-They'll have more experience and they can only get better.

ORL- If they can keep Dwight and a get defender at 3. They already have shooters.

NY- If they can get a legit pass first PG.

MEM- They have size, defense, and scorers. Just needs better execution. :smh:@them losing to LAC.

Lakers- Need a PG. Otherwise they still have Kobe and the twin towers that have more rings than Bron, Wade and Bosh combined.

Pacers- They need to retain Hibbert.








2) OKC cant beat MIA 3 straight games[/QUOTE]

Yeah cuz Miami has really been dominating and winning by big margins.:cool:

It would be different if MIA was winning games outright.
 
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1) LeBron is coming into his prime and has a hunger for championships. Who can match his killer instinct and will to win right now? People been telling guys like Melo, Dwight, cp3, etc that they dont need rings. Or at least give em a pass for it long as they just make the playoffs. Who is gonna boss up and stop him from collecting more the next 4-5 years?

2) OKC cant beat MIA 3 straight games




Was thinking about this last night, after seeing dude display this self comfort level, understanding what he's been through and what had to change, reading the books, etc...

Its crazy we've all witness a top sports figure change this much within a year's time.
 
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OKC-They'll have more experience and they can only get better.

ORL- If they can keep Dwight and a get defender at 3. They already have shooters.

NY- If they can get a legit pass first PG.

MEM- They have size, defense, and scorers. Just needs better execution. :smh:@them losing to LAC.

Lakers- Need a PG. Otherwise they still have Kobe and the twin towers that have more rings than Bron, Wade and Bosh combined.

Pacers- They need to retain Hibbert.








2) OKC cant beat MIA 3 straight games

Yeah cuz Miami has really been dominating and winning by big margins.:cool:

It would be different if MIA was winning games outright.[/QUOTE]

Sure nothing is over until the games are over, but even though the games have been fairly close, MIA have been dominating the flow and control of the game... It seems like no matter what OKC does (Durant has a big game, Westbrook has a big games, they get a 17 point lead James get hurt) they lose from start to finish, and the final score is almost the same... Its almost like the Heat are pacing themselves and when ever OKC starts to turn it up a bit MIA knocks them back in their place.. Other than the first game I don't see OKC doing what Boston was able to do at times, and even the Pacers, with out Bosh in the game, that's control the tempo and flow of the game.... Also the Heat seem to barely be breaking a sweat, their shots, even with James hurt at the end of last game, were all easy, layups, while many of OKC shots where spectacular and very difficult shots, if there is a game where OKC starts to miss some of these tough shots and the Heat were to hit all of these point blank shots, the game will be a total blow out...
The Heat are dominating similar to the way a soccer team that always win 1-0 dominates, not in score but by controlling the action.. This is why I said that if OKC were to play the Heat this same way 100 games, the Heat would dominate, not in amount of points but in total victory, winning 70 games, most of them by a very close margin..
If OKC wants a shot at getting back in the series they have to change the tempo and style of the game...
The worst mistake OKC can do is get doped into thinking that these games could have gone either way, and instead of trying to adjust do the same old dumb bullshit, expecting different results..
 
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Also if they Heat were to get Ray Allen, much less a Jason Terry, and they both have some gas left in the tank, it would be light out, similar to the way the Bulls ran through the league during the the 90's. For one it would be impossible to guard them, and two the one weakness they had, James mental laps, would be gone, also I look for players like Charmers and Cole to really step thing up next year and become mentally tougher also.. So in a way it would be irrelevant what other teams do..
 
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RR, you and Killa could be right but you never know. I'll give them credit where credit is due. No hate. I been wanting James to get a ring to shut everybody up but i'm rooting for OKC cuz i'm an "underdog" kind of guy.

But again I just put some teams up there just to throw them out as some possibilities. I will admit that it is hard trying to pick out teams that could match up well on paper with them though.
 
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RR, you and Killa could be right but you never know. I'll give them credit where credit is due. No hate. I been wanting James to get a ring to shut everybody up but i'm rooting for OKC cuz i'm an "underdog" kind of guy.

But again I just put some teams up there just to throw them out as some possibilities. I will admit that it is hard trying to pick out teams that could match up well on paper with them though.

Nothing is set in stone and no team never won a championship on paper, shit this series may be far from over....But this is why we play the games, and this is why you never catch me talking in absolutes, sure I would say its hard to beat a team and its going to be almost impossible but nobody is unbeatable so all we can do is sit back, watch, root, and make predictions based on the likely hood and logic as opposed to emotion and what you want things to be... Its ok to root one way and predict another (I do it all the time..)
 
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I still think heat should go after Novak All and Nash

Curry will play major mins next season
 
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Beat you been saying Steve Novak but what does he bring to the table beside shooting the three? Really didn't pay much attention to him.
Can get create his own shot?
How's his defense?
What he gives you on the boards?
What type of money will he get?
 
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I still think heat should go after Novak All and Nash

Curry will play major mins next season

I think a good pick up would be McGee if he leaves the Nuggets. He can protect the basket and he's very athletic. He'd be a beast on fastbreak.
 
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No hate. I been wanting James to get a ring to shut everybody up but i'm rooting for OKC cuz i'm an "underdog" kind of guy.

:confused: OKC was the favorite to win this series right up to the end of game 3.
 
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^^^ shit once they won the west, they were the favorite, even on here most were with them being the favorite.
 
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I think a good pick up would be McGee if he leaves the Nuggets. He can protect the basket and he's very athletic. He'd be a beast on fastbreak.

The heat don't have that type of money. I think he'll be able to get nice contact. This why I been saying Ryan Hollins from Boston. 7 footer, good movement can rebound and play defense, can finish around the cup, and may come cheaply.
I said they same thing about him last year.
 
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Beat you been saying Steve Novak but what does he bring to the table beside shooting the three? Really didn't pay much attention to him.
Can get create his own shot?
How's his defense?
What he gives you on the boards?
What type of money will he get?

He can take miller spot off the bench 7th in the rotation

Quicker release and accurate
 
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Killa keeping it raw as usual.
What's your thoughts towards these dudes doing another unbelievable task and restructuring their contacts again next summer?
Whats your take on the Heat tackling these issues:
Juan Howard
Mike Miller
Joel Anthony

Word is Mike Miller is going to retire as will Howard. Thing is when Miami wins vets will flock to play with them to either get a ring or add on. Take someone like Jason terry. Guy deserves to be extending by dallas for what he has done but dallas is going in a different direction. Others are not going to look to invest much into him. I see Terry getting a contract similar to Jamal Crawford with a player option.





Killa I fucks with you cause you keep it all the way real. I agree with everything you said especially the truth you spoke about Laker fans. I live in L.A. so I know the deal. I never gave a fuck about Lebron until all my friends who are Kobe stans started hating on Lebron for no reason. And by no reason I mean they have no reason to fear a Heat led Lebron team since they dont have to play them coming out of the West. Besides, I never understood why would anybody root for a team that put yours out of the playoffs. Lol


You said it best right there


Why if you disagree with somebody or you not a heat fan you have to be all these bitches and shit? Y'all take this shit too serious I bet you silly niggas can't even hoop. Maybe y'all have beef for a while that I don't know about though so if so then my bad.

Anyway let's say for instance the refs are making bad calls....somebody please explain to me the logic of bringing up missed free throws and shit. And as far as this last game I agree refs didn't make or break this game. Game 2 and 3 it though.

But anyway let's say Lebron had a game he has had many times. Scored around 30 let's say he has around 14 boards 13 assits and 7 to's and he's 6-13 from the FT line . And at the end of a game he makes a behind the back pass put clearly somebody grabs his arm on the pass with 3 seconds left. I don't give a fuck if he missed FT's; I don't give a fuck he made some bad passes and hat to's; I don't even give a fuck that it was a "flashy" pass you mean to tell me it's not fucked up if the ref don't make the call on a intentional foul at the end of the game and they lose? I mean for real where's the logic of saying a negative play happened at some point in a game so the shit don't matter?


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


The logic of talking about missed free throws??? When I played in high school hell even middle school we are taught to worry about what we can control. Bad calls happen. Yet when you fail to take advantage of opportunities that is on you.

The Thunder lost a close game in game 3. Where they missed key free throws. We are talking about a team that has been best free throw shooting team for the last two years.

Judging by the comments I posted from Kevin Harden Fisher and Coach Brooks they are more worried about why they are not hitting their free throws. Went so far to even admit they are nervous and this is the big stage.

Why I bring up free throws because maybe if The Thunder hit their free throws this series is different.

See I feel it's hilarious people want to make it some big conspiracy on why the so call better team will lose this series.

Why the team that handle the world champ Mavs, the Lakers and the Spurs but will likely win only one game against this Heat team.

Maybe just maybe the Heat is the better team
 
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^^^ shit once they won the west, they were the favorite, even on here most were with them being the favorite.

:yes:Yup

Matter of fact, most posters picked the winner of the WCF to be the favorite before the WCFs were settled.
 
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:confused: OKC was the favorite to win this series right up to the end of game 3.

I've always had them as an underdog. Everybody including the media were basing OKC being the better team off emotion and them beating the Mavs, Lakers, and Spurs. I don't really understand how you can NOT be the underdog when you go up against a team with James, Bosh, and Wade.
 
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Y'all need to chill on two things:

1)Miami being a dynasty. We don't know what other teams will do to improve and MIA roster due to contracts will not be changing much and in it's current state, they are not where they need to be yet.

2)Series might not be over. I mean if OKC can win this next game, the door will open up for them. Yeah MIA squeaked out a win in game 2 but odds are OKC winning at home.

Co-sign. I don't agree with giving them 2-3 titles already when so much can happen a year from now. Yeah they'll be Finals bound b/c Lebron can take a team deep into the playoffs just by himself.

But for all we know, OKC could get better next year. They lost to the Lakers in the playoffs, then came back the next year and whooped them. SA could get better. LA could make some moves. It ain't like Miami can't be figured out.
 
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I still think heat should go after Novak All and Nash

Curry will play major mins next season

I don't think Novak would be a good fit for the heat. He's a spot up jump shooter , he can't create a shot off the dribble like miller and Shane. He's also a liability on defense. He has a very accurate shot, but all the defender has to do is shadow him or deny him the ball, he's pretty much useless after that.
 
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Assmaster this was my thoughts on Steve, but wasn't sure(lack of playing attention to him).
Beat been stating the Heat go after him, really don't see it tho.

Shit I think added a spark plug type of player would be great for them also.
A player with the motor like a Nate Robinson, J.R Smith, Russell Westbrook. Adding Jason Terry
would cover that for me.
 
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Imagine if OKC add a low post player like Dejuan Blair or Zach from memphis...

what if OKC gets jared sullinger or deamon green from michigian state.

OKC has a very good core

if they lose this finals i can see OKC ruling the WEST for the next two years..
 
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Assmaster this was my thoughts on Steve, but wasn't sure(lack of playing attention to him).
Beat been stating the Heat go after him, really don't see it tho.

Shit I think added a spark plug type of player would be great for them also.
A player with the motor like a Nate Robinson, J.R Smith, Russell Westbrook. Adding Jason Terry
would cover that for me.


Yes IMO Jason Terry would give you a little more, plus he plays better defense.
Smith would be okay as long as bron and wade can keep him under control. The same reasoning applies to Nate. I don't think OKC will part with Russ.
 
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Wouldn't mind seeing the heat go after J Kidd

But realistically I think Ray Allen and decent big is who the heat gonna go after
 
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Wouldn't mind seeing the heat go after J Kidd

But realistically I think Ray Allen and decent big is who the heat gonna go after

I think all the catch and shoot free agents should be lining up at a chance to sign with the Heat, because once they start hitting the outside shots, it is almost impossible to stop them..
 
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Okc is going to run Miami out of the building. D. Wade will have to play some defense this series because Westbrook will take and make that jumpshot that Rondo didn't want to take.

OKC in 6.

Miami barely beat an old rusty Boston club. They will experience culture shock when they face the young and hungry Thunder.

I don't see how Miami can pull it off.

Blah blah blah... OKC is a jump shooting team. Mutha fuckas jump shot their way to the finals. They shut Chuck up on this analogy, and will win 4-2 to shut everyone else up. Heat fans big ups we ready for ya here in OKC.

Mavs, Lakers, Spurs>>>>>Knicks, Pacers, Celtics

stop it :hmm:

Okc is gonna kill em man. I mean just look at the teams they had to play to get to the finals and how they rocked them. Miami played weaker comp and had to work for it.

Also OKC causes the same mismatch problem the mavs had for Miami but even younger and arguably better all around team. I mean Miami could go off sure but there are just as many guys on the thunder who can too and they have guys who can play the five and bang in the paint the whole series. Perkins and Ibaka are not going to let wade and Lebron cruise in the paint. And they got a few more bigs for some extra fouls as well :smh: .

Okc in 6 is my pick. Better bench,better bigs.

Miami might become the buffalo bills of the nba great team but no rings.

Okc is just a more complete team up front and on the bench. Kinda like Dallas last year. if Miami thought Dallas was tough wait till they see Okc a younger Dallas team. Damn Okc is ballin too.

All this talk about defense is just going to ignore the mismatches in OKC's favor? The thunder are a good team with 3 legit scoring threats (one of which has the mismatch at PG) and a ton of Bigs. Hell even battier isn't a clear advantage cause OKC has Thebo who is just as much a pest on D.

I mean you can say who did the thunder face in the west in the playoffs that played Good D and I can ask you who did the Heat meet in the East that played a good enough offense to test the Heats D anyhow?

Knicks Injuries like crazy so Melo was it (again...)
The pacers tried but Granger wa their only reliable option outside the paint
Celtics tried and shit if Ray Allen was as reliable as he was just last year who knows.

OKC might just sweep them boys but if not in 6 :yes:

:hmm:
 
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Co-sign. I don't agree with giving them 2-3 titles already when so much can happen a year from now. Yeah they'll be Finals bound b/c Lebron can take a team deep into the playoffs just by himself.

But for all we know, OKC could get better next year. They lost to the Lakers in the playoffs, then came back the next year and whooped them. SA could get better. LA could make some moves. It ain't like Miami can't be figured out.

OKC can get better?? The way OKC got better was their players they had got better. That is the difference.

Jim Buss already is scared shitless of this new CBA where he isn't trying to add anything on his payroll.

OKC players got better and here is the thing many of their core where on their rookie contracts. Durant and Westbrook have received new contracts. now it's time for Ibaka and Harden and here is the problem.

A small market team is going to have to make some moves to keep some not all of these players together. choices will have to be made.

SA get better? SA owner said he learned his lesson. He never went over the salary cap before and the one time he did what was the results? Richard Jefferson is now gone and he has said his team will now be built to fit under this new cba.

why do you think they ship out George Hill to the Pacers?? they knew he was due for new contract this july and knew they couldn't afford to give him one.


See this what many of you are missing you keep talking about these teams getting better but none of you are factoring in the new CBA.
 
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


The logic of talking about missed free throws??? When I played in high school hell even middle school we are taught to worry about what we can control. Bad calls happen. Yet when you fail to take advantage of opportunities that is on you.

The Thunder lost a close game in game 3. Where they missed key free throws. We are talking about a team that has been best free throw shooting team for the last two years.

Judging by the comments I posted from Kevin Harden Fisher and Coach Brooks they are more worried about why they are not hitting their free throws. Went so far to even admit they are nervous and this is the big stage.

Why I bring up free throws because maybe if The Thunder hit their free throws this series is different.

See I feel it's hilarious people want to make it some big conspiracy on why the so call better team will lose this series.

Why the team that handle the world champ Mavs, the Lakers and the Spurs but will likely win only one game against this Heat team.

Maybe just maybe the Heat is the better team


:lol::lol::lol: All that's fine and good if you were talking about Westbrook loggin in on this muthafucka arguing with you niggas but fact is it makes no damn sense to talk about a play that happen on the teams last possession and then be like no matter what happens on a fucking forum in a basketball thread you shouldn't mention a fucking foul because I can pull out a negative stat:hmm::hmm:

Harden sucked last night so that means on that fast break he didn't deserve a foul to be called? Then you blow off other niggas observations or what not like yours trump them or as if somebody made the shit up. Then after that you make a broad ass general statement as if it's fact saying the heat going to be a dynasty for years........Don't let a nigga disagree because if he does he's a dumb bitch:lol: Man GTFOH with that bullshit. I assume you hooped and I know I did. I know basketball the same as you I'm just like you I think what I say is right fuck everybody else
 
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I was wrong didn't know they would beat them in 5

Props

That hatin fag Jon Barry said last yrs Heat team was better than this yrs heat team smh

That is so far from the truth
 
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