Exactly. Unlike Dallas and Boston OKC bigs do not score(That Ibaka game against SA was an anomaly.) So Miami's biggest weakness isn't that bad. On the other end Ibaka is A FAR better defender than Perkins. So when Boah pulls him out to 17 feet, who is gonna be there to stop the drives? Poster King Perkins? ......
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Exactly. Unlike Dallas and Boston OKC bigs do not score(That Ibaka game against SA was an anomaly.) So Miami's biggest weakness isn't that bad. On the other end Ibaka is A FAR better defender than Perkins. So when Boah pulls him out to 17 feet, who is gonna be there to stop the drives? Poster King Perkins? ......
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^^^^
real talk. Ninjas simply do not like LeBron and do not want to see this man win a championship at all costs.
Heat in 6. After which we begin the LeBron is on pace to better than Jordan talk.
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real talk. Ninjas simply do not like LeBron and do not want to see this man win a championship at all costs.
Heat in 6. After which we begin the LeBron is on pace to better than Jordan talk.
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Now see I can respect that. Honest and objectionable
Now see I can respect that. Honest and objectionable
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Can't wait for the series to start so all of this talking can cease.
Can't wait for the series to start so all of this talking can cease.
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so many fucking stans
trying to pass off stannism as basketball knowledge
this shit is gonna be impossible to even comment in really
if i pick okc there will be 5 posts saying i hate lebron and other various shit
if i pick miami, nobody will say shit lol
few myths being passed off here...
1 okc is a jump shooting team- apparently you haven't been watching the playoffs the team has matured and changed its identity. they go to the rim.
2 okc doesn't play defense- they do, they just swept the top offensive team in the nba... you cannot front or discredit that.
as far as this series goes i have to see game 1. there are a million possibilities i have to see how the coaches feel each other out.
lebron has to be on kd period. don't fool yourself thinking shane can even begin to guard kd he can't...period.
kd has to be on lebron...i believe they both want the challenge so before you come in attacking me...this is what THEY WANT.
will spo and brooks do the same thing?
will they have wade and westbrook match up? chalmers is too slow to stay in front of westbrook
will they use their specialist on the guards?
to me it makes sense...shane on russel and seffalosa on wade.
gives their specialist a clear assignment and lets both of those players do what they do best, off the ball center field leak out breaks as well as saves them for offense
bosh/ibaka
they both can guard each other, both can shoot the jumper bosh's is better ibaka is better inside and on the boards and shot blocking.
i don't see ibaka on bosh much if brooks is smart
pull the switch and play by committee have ibaka on anthony/haslem and put collinson/aldrige/muhammed on bosh. it saves ibaka from foul trouble
same time spo should make sure bosh is in the pick and roll bosh can make all the correct reads and hit shots if ibaka isnt on him make the lesser pay
unlike all the teams miami has faced so far okc has more than 1 big man...so it isnt as simple as oh pull ibaka away... they have 30 fouls between the 6 big men they could play..
miami needs the others to hit 40% of everything. that's a solid number to give them the help they're gonna need
keep it close and let lebron and them try and win it.
a track meet will not be good for miami...at all
at the same time okc has no problem generating offense.
who will be the x factor for miami?
harden is okc's...which makes them rare.
their starters can do their thing and get 30 from 1 person off the bench.
miami has to make okc work on defense...that means little to no iso ball. none
miami can do it...if they want to.
both teams need to attack the rim period
gonna be an insane series it wont be a sweep or easy for EITHER SIDE
so this sweep or 5 game or even 6 game for either is laughable
i want both kd and bron to get a ring so either way at the end ill be extremely happy.
can't wait till tuesday
so many fucking stans
trying to pass off stannism as basketball knowledge
this shit is gonna be impossible to even comment in really
if i pick okc there will be 5 posts saying i hate lebron and other various shit
if i pick miami, nobody will say shit lol
few myths being passed off here...
1 okc is a jump shooting team- apparently you haven't been watching the playoffs the team has matured and changed its identity. they go to the rim.
2 okc doesn't play defense- they do, they just swept the top offensive team in the nba... you cannot front or discredit that.
as far as this series goes i have to see game 1. there are a million possibilities i have to see how the coaches feel each other out.
lebron has to be on kd period. don't fool yourself thinking shane can even begin to guard kd he can't...period.
kd has to be on lebron...i believe they both want the challenge so before you come in attacking me...this is what THEY WANT.
will spo and brooks do the same thing?
will they have wade and westbrook match up? chalmers is too slow to stay in front of westbrook
will they use their specialist on the guards?
to me it makes sense...shane on russel and seffalosa on wade.
gives their specialist a clear assignment and lets both of those players do what they do best, off the ball center field leak out breaks as well as saves them for offense
bosh/ibaka
they both can guard each other, both can shoot the jumper bosh's is better ibaka is better inside and on the boards and shot blocking.
i don't see ibaka on bosh much if brooks is smart
pull the switch and play by committee have ibaka on anthony/haslem and put collinson/aldrige/muhammed on bosh. it saves ibaka from foul trouble
same time spo should make sure bosh is in the pick and roll bosh can make all the correct reads and hit shots if ibaka isnt on him make the lesser pay
unlike all the teams miami has faced so far okc has more than 1 big man...so it isnt as simple as oh pull ibaka away... they have 30 fouls between the 6 big men they could play..
miami needs the others to hit 40% of everything. that's a solid number to give them the help they're gonna need
keep it close and let lebron and them try and win it.
a track meet will not be good for miami...at all
at the same time okc has no problem generating offense.
who will be the x factor for miami?
harden is okc's...which makes them rare.
their starters can do their thing and get 30 from 1 person off the bench.
miami has to make okc work on defense...that means little to no iso ball. none
miami can do it...if they want to.
both teams need to attack the rim period
gonna be an insane series it wont be a sweep or easy for EITHER SIDE
so this sweep or 5 game or even 6 game for either is laughable
i want both kd and bron to get a ring so either way at the end ill be extremely happy.
can't wait till tuesday
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I know what I would do if I wanted to beat OKC with this Miami squad.
But I am not the coach so........
I know what I would do if I wanted to beat OKC with this Miami squad.
But I am not the coach so........
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Aside from Harden... who on OKC's bench is a consistent scorer? I'll wait...
And you keep saying these dudes are as well rounded as last year Mavs. I totally disagree. Theyre deep? Every team the Heat faced so far has been deeper than them. Pacers on paper, should have exposed the fuck out of Miami... but Lebron and Wade went YOLO on the court.
What people tend to forget about the Mavs last year, is that the adjustment of starting Barea at the 2, zone defense, and Chandler all combined together is what killed Miami....
1) OKC has no mismatch that is equal to Barea. Barea was too small and quick to guard... last year.
2) Zone defense? Every team in the playoffs that used the zone against Miami failed. It might have slowed them down at times but they solved it very quick. They'll either make a 3 or just move the ball and penetrate.
3) Chandler. OKC has Ibaka and Perkins. Cool. Bosh in... and let Haslem hit a few Jumpers. That floor will spread quickly. If Bosh is firing 3s now like he did last night... its a wrap.
Thunders play DECENT defense compared to Miami. The Heat have 3 of the best perimeter defenders... And probably the only player in the league that can consistently guard Durant. As long as Miami is careful with the ball... they will be fine. Thunders will beat them by Miami's careless mistakes. If Miami can stay disciplined, Thunders' suspect half court offense will get exposed quick.
Whoever has the best pick and roll defense will win. Since Miami has been known for their pick and roll defense this season... I'll roll with them in 6. Spo's line-ups and offensive plays is always hit or miss... but for the fact Miami is a top 3 defensive team... AND they are undersized, you have to credit dude.
Aside from Harden... who on OKC's bench is a consistent scorer? I'll wait...
And you keep saying these dudes are as well rounded as last year Mavs. I totally disagree. Theyre deep? Every team the Heat faced so far has been deeper than them. Pacers on paper, should have exposed the fuck out of Miami... but Lebron and Wade went YOLO on the court.
What people tend to forget about the Mavs last year, is that the adjustment of starting Barea at the 2, zone defense, and Chandler all combined together is what killed Miami....
1) OKC has no mismatch that is equal to Barea. Barea was too small and quick to guard... last year.
2) Zone defense? Every team in the playoffs that used the zone against Miami failed. It might have slowed them down at times but they solved it very quick. They'll either make a 3 or just move the ball and penetrate.
3) Chandler. OKC has Ibaka and Perkins. Cool. Bosh in... and let Haslem hit a few Jumpers. That floor will spread quickly. If Bosh is firing 3s now like he did last night... its a wrap.
Thunders play DECENT defense compared to Miami. The Heat have 3 of the best perimeter defenders... And probably the only player in the league that can consistently guard Durant. As long as Miami is careful with the ball... they will be fine. Thunders will beat them by Miami's careless mistakes. If Miami can stay disciplined, Thunders' suspect half court offense will get exposed quick.
Whoever has the best pick and roll defense will win. Since Miami has been known for their pick and roll defense this season... I'll roll with them in 6. Spo's line-ups and offensive plays is always hit or miss... but for the fact Miami is a top 3 defensive team... AND they are undersized, you have to credit dude.
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Miami has no chance in hell
1) theyre not deep enough...that 6 man rotation is not going to do it
2) theyre weak at the pg...you cant play 50 ft off of westbrook
3) if kg dominated them, my god ibaka and perk should dominate the boards
4) seflousha is an incredible defender
5) Fish is the old worldly vet who hits the big shots
6) KD is impossible matchup for the heat
7) Dwade has been charmin soft all playoffs...will he wake up?
8) Bron cant give you 45 every night
9) Bosh tends to get pushed around in the block...perk will punk him
10) OKC has home court
* i didnt even mention Harden yet
I'll be surprised if the Heat wins 2 games
Miami has too many weaknesses that OKC can exploit.....
plus Spo is an idiot
Miami has no chance in hell
1) theyre not deep enough...that 6 man rotation is not going to do it
2) theyre weak at the pg...you cant play 50 ft off of westbrook
3) if kg dominated them, my god ibaka and perk should dominate the boards
4) seflousha is an incredible defender
5) Fish is the old worldly vet who hits the big shots
6) KD is impossible matchup for the heat
7) Dwade has been charmin soft all playoffs...will he wake up?
8) Bron cant give you 45 every night
9) Bosh tends to get pushed around in the block...perk will punk him
10) OKC has home court
* i didnt even mention Harden yet
I'll be surprised if the Heat wins 2 games
Miami has too many weaknesses that OKC can exploit.....
plus Spo is an idiot
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I said OKC way back in what...April was it? Miami is gonna have to depend an OKC player to get injured or Westbrook not learning from the SA series.
OKC in 6
The problem with Heat nation is they want it to be one way.
so many fucking stans
trying to pass off stannism as basketball knowledge
this shit is gonna be impossible to even comment in really
if i pick okc there will be 5 posts saying i hate lebron and other various shit
if i pick miami, nobody will say shit lol
few myths being passed off here...
1 okc is a jump shooting team- apparently you haven't been watching the playoffs the team has matured and changed its identity. they go to the rim.
2 okc doesn't play defense- they do, they just swept the top offensive team in the nba... you cannot front or discredit that.
as far as this series goes i have to see game 1. there are a million possibilities i have to see how the coaches feel each other out.
lebron has to be on kd period. don't fool yourself thinking shane can even begin to guard kd he can't...period.
kd has to be on lebron...i believe they both want the challenge so before you come in attacking me...this is what THEY WANT.
will spo and brooks do the same thing?
will they have wade and westbrook match up? chalmers is too slow to stay in front of westbrook
will they use their specialist on the guards?
to me it makes sense...shane on russel and seffalosa on wade.
gives their specialist a clear assignment and lets both of those players do what they do best, off the ball center field leak out breaks as well as saves them for offense
bosh/ibaka
they both can guard each other, both can shoot the jumper bosh's is better ibaka is better inside and on the boards and shot blocking.
i don't see ibaka on bosh much if brooks is smart
pull the switch and play by committee have ibaka on anthony/haslem and put collinson/aldrige/muhammed on bosh. it saves ibaka from foul trouble
same time spo should make sure bosh is in the pick and roll bosh can make all the correct reads and hit shots if ibaka isnt on him make the lesser pay
unlike all the teams miami has faced so far okc has more than 1 big man...so it isnt as simple as oh pull ibaka away... they have 30 fouls between the 6 big men they could play..
miami needs the others to hit 40% of everything. that's a solid number to give them the help they're gonna need
keep it close and let lebron and them try and win it.
a track meet will not be good for miami...at all
at the same time okc has no problem generating offense.
who will be the x factor for miami?
harden is okc's...which makes them rare.
their starters can do their thing and get 30 from 1 person off the bench.
miami has to make okc work on defense...that means little to no iso ball. none
miami can do it...if they want to.
both teams need to attack the rim period
gonna be an insane series it wont be a sweep or easy for EITHER SIDE
so this sweep or 5 game or even 6 game for either is laughable
i want both kd and bron to get a ring so either way at the end ill be extremely happy.
can't wait till tuesday
I said OKC way back in what...April was it? Miami is gonna have to depend an OKC player to get injured or Westbrook not learning from the SA series.
OKC in 6
The problem with Heat nation is they want it to be one way.
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Yeah just like some of you same niggas with your false analysis talkin bout Spurs are a well oiled machine and how okc had no chance Lmaoooo
How about waiting for the first game to be played before making wild ass predictions
This series going 7 games with the Heat edging out okc with a clutch from charmers
Yeah just like some of you same niggas with your false analysis talkin bout Spurs are a well oiled machine and how okc had no chance Lmaoooo
How about waiting for the first game to be played before making wild ass predictions
This series going 7 games with the Heat edging out okc with a clutch from charmers
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I always am.
Now see I can respect that. Honest and objectionable
I always am.
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I'm gonna say Heat in 6, maybe 7. I think the young gunners (OKC) are on the verge of a title, but this isn't their year. They'll be around for a while, but it kinda feels like they'll run out of gas at some point in this series. Also, if Bosh is able to play at the level he did last night he could really be a problem for OKC. He doesn't have to put up the same numbers, but if he spaces the floor and opens lanes for 'Bron and Wade Miami could get some easy buckets from time to time.
I'm gonna say Heat in 6, maybe 7. I think the young gunners (OKC) are on the verge of a title, but this isn't their year. They'll be around for a while, but it kinda feels like they'll run out of gas at some point in this series. Also, if Bosh is able to play at the level he did last night he could really be a problem for OKC. He doesn't have to put up the same numbers, but if he spaces the floor and opens lanes for 'Bron and Wade Miami could get some easy buckets from time to time.
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Dude Westbrook is a mismatch. They are going to have to double him and help defend the entire series.
Dude Westbrook is a mismatch. They are going to have to double him and help defend the entire series.
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disagree... they're not boston they're 23-21 years old there is no tiredness to be had with them so i disagree on that hope or wish happening with okc.
and bosh will be helpful for the heat because they need more scoring but i don't think he'll be a problem...i count him in the 80 points that those 3 will need to be competitive.
its the others who need to be consistent who aren't and hopefully miller is a little healthier for this series to plug some holes.
but they don't have a harden he might be the key if he finally strings together some good games
disagree... they're not boston they're 23-21 years old there is no tiredness to be had with them so i disagree on that hope or wish happening with okc.
and bosh will be helpful for the heat because they need more scoring but i don't think he'll be a problem...i count him in the 80 points that those 3 will need to be competitive.
its the others who need to be consistent who aren't and hopefully miller is a little healthier for this series to plug some holes.
but they don't have a harden he might be the key if he finally strings together some good games
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certain posters you have to disregard they only see what they want and say the most delusional shit
he is one of those. this thread will work a lot better if you do that.
certain posters you have to disregard they only see what they want and say the most delusional shit
he is one of those. this thread will work a lot better if you do that.
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this is the series i wanted to see...
i don't even care who wins...
i jus want it to be competitive...with most..if not all..of the games goin' down to the wire...
i wanna see both teams play up to their full potential...
i hope it goes at least 6 games...
this is the series i wanted to see...
i don't even care who wins...
i jus want it to be competitive...with most..if not all..of the games goin' down to the wire...
i wanna see both teams play up to their full potential...
i hope it goes at least 6 games...
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that's what makes the opinions kind of unrealistic imo
all up and down not too long ago all we heard was how bad the roster was how lack of depth is the problem how much they miss bosh and how they need so many more pieces this offseason
and now the team is somehow right and great as constructed to go against okc who is deeper than people want to give them credit for.
scoring wise their depth consistently is harden.
the others do things that don't show up in the stat sheet such as good quality minutes (collisnon fisher etc)
its gonna be tough for both squads its not gonna be as easy as both sides think it will be.
its gonna be clean straight up good basketball
that's what makes the opinions kind of unrealistic imo
all up and down not too long ago all we heard was how bad the roster was how lack of depth is the problem how much they miss bosh and how they need so many more pieces this offseason
and now the team is somehow right and great as constructed to go against okc who is deeper than people want to give them credit for.
scoring wise their depth consistently is harden.
the others do things that don't show up in the stat sheet such as good quality minutes (collisnon fisher etc)
its gonna be tough for both squads its not gonna be as easy as both sides think it will be.
its gonna be clean straight up good basketball
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i was telling you to ignore the turd
i was telling you to ignore the turd
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I thought you was saying I was delusional my bad. I retract all I wrote my fault.
I thought you was saying I was delusional my bad.
I retract all I wrote my fault.
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Man aint nobody doubling 30% shooting westbrook
Man aint nobody doubling 30% shooting westbrook
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The first team to make two smart adjustments wins.
But then again many of you believe in "unstoppable" players.
but I am going to leave it there.
The first team to make two smart adjustments wins.
But then again many of you believe in "unstoppable" players.
but I am going to leave it there.
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I thought you was saying I was delusional my bad.
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nobody is unstoppable
nobody is unstoppable
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Miami never doubled D Rose and somehow they will be forced to double Westbrook who is shooting 30% and you say I am delusional?
Miami never doubled D Rose and somehow they will be forced to double Westbrook who is shooting 30% and you say I am delusional?
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They're retired. There are no unstoppable players in the NBA today.
They're retired. There are no unstoppable players in the NBA today.
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yes
if you compare the way the bulls are constructed with only 1 scorer
as opposed to how okc is constructed with more consistent scorers than anyone you've faced in the playoffs then yea you are.
and all i know is you better not put chalmers on him
chalmers is bbq chicken westbrook is just flat out better than him
flat out.
yes
if you compare the way the bulls are constructed with only 1 scorer
as opposed to how okc is constructed with more consistent scorers than anyone you've faced in the playoffs then yea you are.
and all i know is you better not put chalmers on him
chalmers is bbq chicken westbrook is just flat out better than him
flat out.
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Okay i usually pick em right. Miami in 5.
Yea OKC have have three of the same position players. Durant, Westbrook and James Harden. You can make that same case for Wade and Lebron except Lebron can play all 5 positions. Also Wade, Lebron and Bosh can all post up and finish inside rather than post up and take a turn around fadeaway. OKC only have jump shooters.
No one on that team can post up. Not Durant, not Ibaka or Perkins. Look at the history. No TEAM has EVER. EVER EVER EVER EVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT A POST UP GAME. INSIDE AND OUT. The closest team was last years Dallas team. Even they went inside to the German. But you non basketball playing niggas wouldn't know this.
Okay i usually pick em right. Miami in 5.
Yea OKC have have three of the same position players. Durant, Westbrook and James Harden. You can make that same case for Wade and Lebron except Lebron can play all 5 positions. Also Wade, Lebron and Bosh can all post up and finish inside rather than post up and take a turn around fadeaway. OKC only have jump shooters.
No one on that team can post up. Not Durant, not Ibaka or Perkins. Look at the history. No TEAM has EVER. EVER EVER EVER EVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT A POST UP GAME. INSIDE AND OUT. The closest team was last years Dallas team. Even they went inside to the German. But you non basketball playing niggas wouldn't know this.
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pick and roll defense will be the key in general to this series.
I do think that Spo will have to go deep into his roster. He is stubborn and is lucky to have talent to hide his mistakes as a coach
I dont see how James Jones shouldnt get shots this series. He will need all the offensive tools he has at his disposal. Especially since Mike Miller is clearly injured
I cant see how one could make a prediction on this without any games being played
pick and roll defense will be the key in general to this series.
I do think that Spo will have to go deep into his roster. He is stubborn and is lucky to have talent to hide his mistakes as a coach
I dont see how James Jones shouldnt get shots this series. He will need all the offensive tools he has at his disposal. Especially since Mike Miller is clearly injured
I cant see how one could make a prediction on this without any games being played
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