Bill Clinton out of control on 2012

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By: Roger Simon
June 5, 2012 04:14 AM EDT


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Bill Clinton has to be the smartest guy in the room even when he’s not in the room.

Clinton is not on Barack Obama’s campaign staff, is not a trusted adviser, does not set Obama’s strategy.

But Bill Clinton is pretty good at sabotaging Obama’s strategy.

He did so last week when he went on television and said Mitt Romney had a “sterling” record while running Bain Capital.

The Obama message is exactly the opposite. The Obama campaign had just run a TV ad claiming that working Americans had been harmed by Bain Capital and included one man saying Bain had been a “vampire” that “sucked the blood out of us.”



Whether you liked or hated the ad (I liked it), it attacked Romney on his strongest point: He is a good businessman who knows how to create jobs and, therefore, will be a good president.

But Bill Clinton did not like that ad.



“I think he had a good business career,” Clinton said of Romney and added that “a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

Obama does not need Clinton undercutting him. The two are not close, but they are not supposed to be enemies. They have golfed together, they attend fundraisers together, their staffs talk and, oh, yeah, Clinton’s wife is Obama’s secretary of state.

(Also on POLITICO: The things that worry Romney backers)

There are two things going on here. First, Clinton has always been cozier with Wall Street than Obama. In January 1999, I was at a very odd event for then-President Clinton on the 106th floor of the World Trade Center.

Richard Grasso, then-chairman of New York Stock Exchange, stood up and said, “In my little corner of southern Manhattan, the Dow Jones industrial average during the course of President Clinton’s tenure tripled. We have the lowest unemployment in 30 years, and 16 million jobs have been created!”

The crowd, which included a number of financial titans, cheered. This was a year after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke and months after Clinton had been impeached, but Wall Street did not care. Bill Clinton had been good for The Street, and The Street liked him.

“I’m not sure I know what to say,” Clinton said in his best “aw shucks” style. “That’s the sort of thing they say for your funeral. I don’t think we’re there yet.”

Times were good, Clinton got the credit and, today, he still has a lot of friends in business and high finance and these friends help fund his philanthropic endeavors.

Barack Obama has fewer friends in high finance. He inherited an economy devastated by a derivative bubble and a housing bubble and ravished by the unbridled greed of some Wall Street firms, which took taxpayer bailouts with one hand and gave themselves huge bonuses with the other.

So the two men have different views of how “sterling” The Street operates.

Second, there is the little matter of the 2008 Democratic presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton was the early favorite, but she lost to Barack Obama and Bill Clinton helped her lose.

He made one of the biggest strategic mistakes of her entire campaign: He insisted she seriously compete in South Carolina. Hillary’s staff wanted to spend its time and resources elsewhere, judging that South Carolina, with its large black electorate, was unwinnable.

But Bill felt that with his Southern roots and proven appeal to black voters, Hillary could beat Obama there. And Bill campaigned all-out. At Dartmouth College in Hannover, N.H., an angry, finger-wagging Bill had called Obama’s campaign a “fairy tale.” Jim Clyburn, a highly respected black congressman from South Carolina, felt insulted and publicly told Bill to “chill a little bit” and “tone it down.”

But Bill wouldn’t listen. And at a primary day rally in Columbia, S.C., he pooh-poohed Obama’s impending win by saying: “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88,” meaning, in other words, that Obama’s South Carolina victory would be as insignificant for him as it was for Jackson.

This was widely viewed as racially insensitive. Jake Tapper of ABC News referred to it as “race-baiting.”

Obama would crush Hillary Clinton in South Carolina by 28.9 percentage points, the first blowout of the primary campaign. African-Americans made up 55 percent of the voters, and 80 percent of them voted for Obama. “There was a recoil of people to Clinton tactics,” Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, told me.

A top Hillary staffer told me: “It was so dramatic a loss for us and so dramatic a win for him that it gave permission for Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy and [then-Arizona Gov.] Janet Napolitano to say with a clear conscience, ‘We are going for him.’”

Moreover, the South Carolina victory made it very difficult for superdelegates to go with Hillary without looking as if they wanted to deny a black man the nomination.

So why would Bill be angry at Obama for Bill’s mistake? Because we never blame ourselves for our mistakes, we blame those who profit from them.

At a fundraiser with Obama in New York Monday night, Clinton said that Obama deserved a second term because “the alternative would be, in my opinion, calamitous for our country and the world.” But that’s the thing about Clinton. When you invite him, you never know if the Good Bill or the Bad Bill will show up.

Some think Bill is trying to undermine Obama’s campaign today because he wants to boost Hillary in 2016. I don’t see that. If Obama loses this time, the Democratic nominee will face an incumbent Mitt Romney in 2016. If Obama wins this time, the nominee will run for an open seat. It’s not certain which would be tougher to win.

Bill Clinton is a genuine political genius. But only when it comes to his own campaigns.

“As the campaign kicked off, there was a conscious effort to not have Bill out there,” Hillary’s campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, told me. “We used him strategically to raise money.”

The Obama campaign wants to use Bill the same way. Raise money, tone it down and chill out.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77037.html

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I know ya'll love Obama.. But Clinton was the best president in 50 years..

You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.
 
You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.

the us had the best economy during the clinton years
 
By: Roger Simon
June 5, 2012 04:14 AM EDT


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Bill Clinton has to be the smartest guy in the room even when he’s not in the room.

Clinton is not on Barack Obama’s campaign staff, is not a trusted adviser, does not set Obama’s strategy.

But Bill Clinton is pretty good at sabotaging Obama’s strategy.

He did so last week when he went on television and said Mitt Romney had a “sterling” record while running Bain Capital.

The Obama message is exactly the opposite. The Obama campaign had just run a TV ad claiming that working Americans had been harmed by Bain Capital and included one man saying Bain had been a “vampire” that “sucked the blood out of us.”



Whether you liked or hated the ad (I liked it), it attacked Romney on his strongest point: He is a good businessman who knows how to create jobs and, therefore, will be a good president.

But Bill Clinton did not like that ad.



“I think he had a good business career,” Clinton said of Romney and added that “a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

Obama does not need Clinton undercutting him. The two are not close, but they are not supposed to be enemies. They have golfed together, they attend fundraisers together, their staffs talk and, oh, yeah, Clinton’s wife is Obama’s secretary of state.

(Also on POLITICO: The things that worry Romney backers)

There are two things going on here. First, Clinton has always been cozier with Wall Street than Obama. In January 1999, I was at a very odd event for then-President Clinton on the 106th floor of the World Trade Center.

Richard Grasso, then-chairman of New York Stock Exchange, stood up and said, “In my little corner of southern Manhattan, the Dow Jones industrial average during the course of President Clinton’s tenure tripled. We have the lowest unemployment in 30 years, and 16 million jobs have been created!”

The crowd, which included a number of financial titans, cheered. This was a year after the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke and months after Clinton had been impeached, but Wall Street did not care. Bill Clinton had been good for The Street, and The Street liked him.

“I’m not sure I know what to say,” Clinton said in his best “aw shucks” style. “That’s the sort of thing they say for your funeral. I don’t think we’re there yet.”

Times were good, Clinton got the credit and, today, he still has a lot of friends in business and high finance and these friends help fund his philanthropic endeavors.

Barack Obama has fewer friends in high finance. He inherited an economy devastated by a derivative bubble and a housing bubble and ravished by the unbridled greed of some Wall Street firms, which took taxpayer bailouts with one hand and gave themselves huge bonuses with the other.

So the two men have different views of how “sterling” The Street operates.

Second, there is the little matter of the 2008 Democratic presidential campaign. Hillary Clinton was the early favorite, but she lost to Barack Obama and Bill Clinton helped her lose.

He made one of the biggest strategic mistakes of her entire campaign: He insisted she seriously compete in South Carolina. Hillary’s staff wanted to spend its time and resources elsewhere, judging that South Carolina, with its large black electorate, was unwinnable.

But Bill felt that with his Southern roots and proven appeal to black voters, Hillary could beat Obama there. And Bill campaigned all-out. At Dartmouth College in Hannover, N.H., an angry, finger-wagging Bill had called Obama’s campaign a “fairy tale.” Jim Clyburn, a highly respected black congressman from South Carolina, felt insulted and publicly told Bill to “chill a little bit” and “tone it down.”

But Bill wouldn’t listen. And at a primary day rally in Columbia, S.C., he pooh-poohed Obama’s impending win by saying: “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88,” meaning, in other words, that Obama’s South Carolina victory would be as insignificant for him as it was for Jackson.

This was widely viewed as racially insensitive. Jake Tapper of ABC News referred to it as “race-baiting.”

Obama would crush Hillary Clinton in South Carolina by 28.9 percentage points, the first blowout of the primary campaign. African-Americans made up 55 percent of the voters, and 80 percent of them voted for Obama. “There was a recoil of people to Clinton tactics,” Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, told me.

A top Hillary staffer told me: “It was so dramatic a loss for us and so dramatic a win for him that it gave permission for Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy and [then-Arizona Gov.] Janet Napolitano to say with a clear conscience, ‘We are going for him.’”

Moreover, the South Carolina victory made it very difficult for superdelegates to go with Hillary without looking as if they wanted to deny a black man the nomination.

So why would Bill be angry at Obama for Bill’s mistake? Because we never blame ourselves for our mistakes, we blame those who profit from them.

At a fundraiser with Obama in New York Monday night, Clinton said that Obama deserved a second term because “the alternative would be, in my opinion, calamitous for our country and the world.” But that’s the thing about Clinton. When you invite him, you never know if the Good Bill or the Bad Bill will show up.

Some think Bill is trying to undermine Obama’s campaign today because he wants to boost Hillary in 2016. I don’t see that. If Obama loses this time, the Democratic nominee will face an incumbent Mitt Romney in 2016. If Obama wins this time, the nominee will run for an open seat. It’s not certain which would be tougher to win.

Bill Clinton is a genuine political genius. But only when it comes to his own campaigns.

“As the campaign kicked off, there was a conscious effort to not have Bill out there,” Hillary’s campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, told me. “We used him strategically to raise money.”

The Obama campaign wants to use Bill the same way. Raise money, tone it down and chill out.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77037.html

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Great post Tinman!
 
You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.

co-sign 100%
 
You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.

True dat!! That free trade agreement get me everytime!!!
 
Former Clinton White House adviser Dick Morris said Monday, "Bill Clinton does not want Barack Obama to win."

"I’ve spoken to several good friends who are staunch conservatives who have had exchanges with Bill Clinton in private," Morris told Fox News's Sean Hannity, "and at one point one of them quotes him as saying, 'You have six months to save the country'" (video follows with transcript and commentary):




DICK MORRIS: Bill Clinton does not want Barack Obama to win. I’ve spoken to several good friends who are staunch conservatives who have had exchanges with Bill Clinton in private, and at one point one of them quotes him as saying, "You have six months to save the country."

And he never liked Obama. They never got along. He is an in-law in a sense because she is in the administration, but, and he has to do what he has to do, which is what he’s going to do, what he did today I think in running around helping him raise money, and is going to do tonight.

But when it comes to a little jab here or a little jab there, you can count on Clinton to do it. And this wasn't such a little jab. This was throwing Obama under the bus. Obama's whole campaign is based on the idea that Romney is not a venture capitalist but a vulture capitalist. And here he comes out and says he had a sterling business career and crosses the threshold for qualification to be president, the exact opposite of what his candidate is saying.

Morris was talking about comments Clinton made on CNN's Pier Morgan Tonight last week that were seen by many as being very damaging to the Obama campaign.
 
man Clinton was the best , hell the 90's was the shit , you could work for a temp service and still make it, and with the housing situation it wasn't Clintons fault that dumbass people who knew they couldn't afford the houses they were buying , would later on get forclosed
 
Oh!! so now the Former White President shd also hold his breath for the Half-White President too?? I thought only Black ppl were supposed to put their life on hold for 8 years for Obama. Hmmmm. What a bummer!!:smh::lol::lol::lol:
 
I'm beginning to think that all americans care about is economics


Clinton put more black males in prison than any other president, yet black people love him lol

Shit is crazy
 
man Clinton was the best , hell the 90's was the shit , you could work for a temp service and still make it, and with the housing situation it wasn't Clintons fault that dumbass people who knew they couldn't afford the houses they were buying , would later on get forclosed
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And jobs like that, such as data entry, IT customer support as well as manufacturing jobs were slowly outsourced in mass to India and China thanks to Clinton's NAFTA policies
that was sustained with Bush.
 
The only good thing about Bill Clinton is that the economy improved; otherwise he was terrible for black people, his family and the Democrats. Bill was schemed to power by a black man, and the black man wanted the Secretary of State as payback. Clinton made him Commerce Secretary, and then the black man died a mysterious death when his plane crushed into a mountain in Bosnia. Otherwise the most prominent black person who worked for Clinton was his cook. Little Bush did better and gave black people real power in his administration, which in a way shamed the patronising and condescending cacs in the Democratic Party to accept a half-black as the party's nominee. Clinton is a racist, and if you factor this little bit into his behaviour during his presidency and after, you will begin to see the clear picture.
 
You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.

nothing more needs to be said.

The only good thing about Bill Clinton is that the economy improved; otherwise he was terrible for black people, his family and the Democrats. Bill was schemed to power by a black man, and the black man wanted the Secretary of State as payback. Clinton made him Commerce Secretary, and then the black man died a mysterious death when his plane crushed into a mountain in Bosnia. Otherwise the most prominent black person who worked for Clinton was his cook. Little Bush did better and gave black people real power in his administration, which in a way shamed the patronising and condescending cacs in the Democratic Party to accept a half-black as the party's nominee. Clinton is a racist, and if you factor this little bit into his behaviour during his presidency and after, you will begin to see the clear picture.

you must be fresh out of palm wine cuz thats the 1st time u made sense in a long time.
 
You have to be kidding me.

Many of our financial problems today come down from Reagan to Clinton who deregulated even further. He allowed for the consolidation of media. More people were incarcerated and basically decimated the welfare system. The working class suffered under Bill Clinton but he is likeable. He plays the sax. He fucks a lot of women. Let's not even start with NAFTA and his foreign policy yet with all his fuck ups he was still better than Bush I and II. That is not saying that much either.



:yes::yes::yes:


Man, we need an official Bill Clinton thread for black people to see how they got played



:smh:
 
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