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how is The RZA not considered the GOAT producer

tuckdog said:
Yeah, but sampling is an important part of hip hop. And if you do use live instrumentation, you still try and make your shit sound like a sample. I don't believe sampling is easier than making "original" tracks. Go back and try and remake some of the shit that Preemo, Pete Rock, Dilla, Q-Tip, Havoc, Alchemist, Kno, Large Pro, Prince Paul and RZA made.
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:yes::yes:

Marley marl has used the bridge sample over 3-5 times,but you would never know it! Sampling is art that not to many people have mastered.RZA was a beast,but he forgot he was doing beats that made people fall in love with the wu! People who say sampling isn't art;look at this vid!


 
tuckdog said:
Are you in the music industry? When buying laundry detergent, do you base your opinion on which stock is performing better, which CEO's are enemies because one fucked the others girl while they were at Brown, which brand has the most creative marketing team, or which detergent gets your clothes the cleanest?
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Nope, and I don't know anyone in the industry either :smh: That's an invalid argument because we're talking music, not laundry detergent :hmm:
 
Complex said:
:confused:

So Herby Luv Bug should be in the running if you're talking abut club songs still being playable

Plus I can't really take this serious, because dude met Kanye who helped him become a better producer.
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Kanye is better than most if not all hip hop producers though including RZA :rolleyes:
 
DatNiggaT said:
Anyone who is in the industry cares but I guess they shouldn't care about making hits and getting money. Anyone who actually goes out cares but I guess they are irrelevant :rolleyes: At the Red Bull Academy Mannie Fresh told a story about how he was dj'ing in a N.Y club and the crowd got mad cause he was playing N.Y music and told him they don't wanna hear that shit. They wanna hear HIS music. Keep in mind, this was in N.Y :lol:

It's called music BUSINESS (emphasis on the business part) Also, keep in mind that every hit is not a club banger but most club bangers are hits. People been making club songs since forever, way before rap music was even thought of. Even when rap came out, what type of songs were hot?? At the end of the day people want to dance and feel good plain and simple.
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I'm speaking as a fan and even if I wasn't I made no money off of any of music mentioned so again who cares about hits. You seem to have a limited understanding of the music industry any ways. Way before there were such a thing as club bangers... people danced to whatever sounds good to them... this includes ballads and so forth. The whole creation of "club music" is new and really only came about in the 90's. With that said the "club music" of today is so watered down and weak that clubs have to drown out everything with the bass because none of the "club banger" rappers of today could move a crowd without it. Have you been to one of these concerts? That shit is terrible.
 
tuckdog said:
Yeah, but sampling is an important part of hip hop. And if you do use live instrumentation, you still try and make your shit sound like a sample. I don't believe sampling is easier than making "original" tracks. Go back and try and remake some of the shit that Preemo, Pete Rock, Dilla, Q-Tip, Havoc, Alchemist, Kno, Large Pro, Prince Paul and RZA made.
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Never said it wasn't, but it's 2012 and not all rap hits are samples. Yea, some of rap's biggest hits,classics are sampled or replays of something else but that doesn't mean that every hot rap song is sampled from something else. And from a business standpoint it is just smarter to not use samples. You ever hear a mixtape and wonder why that hot ass sample track ain't on the real album?? They couldn't clear it or the people who own the copyright want too much to clear it. Show Me What You Got is a perfect example about how sampling can hurt your pockets. That song was a hit but Jay and Just didn't really make money from it. That song has 2 samples and like Just Blaze said, if one party wants 50% publishing and the other party wants 50% what does that leave the rapper and producer?? :smh:

And as far as sampling not being easier than making original tracks, speak for yourself. If you use a fiya ass sample, half of the work is already done. Loop it up, Chop it whatever, lay some drums on top of that thing. Filter out whatever you're going to filter out and voila hot beat
 
DatNiggaT said:
Nope, and I don't know anyone in the industry either :smh: That's an invalid argument because we're talking music, not laundry detergent :hmm:
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Your argument is wrapped up in this idea of what sales some how makes something not only good but one of the best of anything. I think the analogy fits.

I never understood this argument... niggas sound like sheep that can't think for themselves and figure out what they like when they say shit like that. You are determining what sounds good to you based on what other people like and how that is putting money in another man's pocket. Niggas always bring MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice in music arguments that go back sales, because you can't find motherfuckers who made money like those two and you can't find a single motherfucker that thinks they're great. Why? Cause it was a fad and people came to their senses about what was talent vs what became popular?
 
Alaskanredman said:
I'm speaking as a fan and even if I wasn't I made no money off of any of music mentioned so again who cares about hits. You seem to have a limited understanding of the music industry any ways. Way before there were such a thing as club bangers... people danced to whatever sounds good to them... this includes ballads and so forth. The whole creation of "club music" is new and really only came about in the 90's. With that said the "club music" of today is so watered down and weak that clubs have to drown out everything with the bass because none of the "club banger" rappers of today could move a crowd without it. Have you been to one of these concerts? That shit is terrible.
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:lol: Yall bgol cats are funny
 
DatNiggaT said:
And as far as sampling not being easier than making original tracks, speak for yourself. If you use a fiya ass sample, half of the work is already done. Loop it up, Chop it whatever, lay some drums on top of that thing. Filter out whatever you're going to filter out and voila hot beat
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Using your logic:

And as far as making an "original" track. Use your instrument of choice (piano, keyboard, bass/lead guitar, etc.) then play a fiya ass groove/riff (you may think it's original at the time, but creativity begets creativity), half of the work is done. Play it over and over, get your drummer to lay some drums on top of that thing. Add your effects whatever you're going to do and voila hot record
 
tuckdog said:
Using your logic:

And as far as making an "original" track. Use your instrument of choice (piano, keyboard, bass/lead guitar, etc.) then play a fiya ass groove/riff (you may think it's original at the time, but creativity begets creativity), half of the work is done. Play it over and over, get your drummer to lay some drums on top of that thing. Add your effects whatever you're going to do and voila hot record
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They're both easy just depends on who is making it. If you can play an instrument and know music theory you don't even need to sample because you can just interpolate it. Or better yet, you can just hire some musicians to replay it for you. I don't know nothing bout that shit though, not a damn thing :smh:
 
tuckdog said:
Using your logic:

And as far as making an "original" track. Use your instrument of choice (piano, keyboard, bass/lead guitar, etc.) then play a fiya ass groove/riff (you may think it's original at the time, but creativity begets creativity), half of the work is done. Play it over and over, get your drummer to lay some drums on top of that thing. Add your effects whatever you're going to do and voila hot record
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If you never had to cut a sample, chop it, layer it with other samples or played keys, figure out the tempo and/or etc... of course it seems easy, but I've seen cats give up on sampling because it is harder than they think and takes years of experience to make it seem easy. The same with playing keys...
 
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Alaskanredman said:
If you never had to cut a sample, chop it, layer it with other samples or played keys, figure out the tempo and/or etc... of course it seems easy, but I've seen cats give up on sampling because it is harder than think and takes years of experience to make it seem ease. The same with playing keys...
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:yes:
 
DatNiggaT said:
They're both easy just depends on who is making it. If you can play an instrument and know music theory you don't even need to sample because you can just interpolate it. Or better yet, you can just hire some musicians to replay it for you. I don't know nothing bout that shit though, not a damn thing :smh:
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Didn't say you didn't, you just stated that one is way easier than the other, then tried to back up your statement by breaking sampling down in an extremely over simplified manner.

And since they're so easy, why do you waste time on BGOL instead of making grammy winning hit record smashes?
 
tuckdog said:
Didn't say you didn't, you just stated that one is way easier than the other, then tried to back up your statement by breaking sampling down in an extremely over simplified manner.

And since they're so easy, why do you waste time on BGOL instead of making grammy winning hit record smashes?
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Sampling is easier, but that's MY opinion

:lol: Don't worry bout it
 
Alaskanredman said:
If you never had to cut a sample, chop it, layer it with other samples or played keys, figure out the tempo and/or etc... of course it seems easy, but I've seen cats give up on sampling because it is harder than they think and takes years of experience to make it seem ease. The same with playing keys...
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that's the frustrating part lol
pick a part of the song have it in your head do it then realize another part is even iller so you flip it another way than you originally intended then deciding on bass if there's more that needs to be there if you need to lay keys if you need to filter out the bass or enhance it and put a sub under it lol
so much work for 3:30 of music
 
Alaskanredman said:
If you never had to cut a sample, chop it, layer it with other samples or played keys, figure out the tempo and/or etc... of course it seems easy, but I've seen cats give up on sampling because it is harder than they think and takes years of experience to make it seem easy. The same with playing keys...
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What is tempo? I never heard of that
 
largebillsonlyplease said:
that's the frustrating part lol
pick a part of the song have it in your head do it then realize another part is even iller so you flip it another way than you originally intended then deciding on bass if there's more that needs to be there if you need to lay keys if you need to filter out the bass or enhance it and put a sub under it lol
so much work for 3:30 of music
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Man... the worst part is hearing a dope song, then trying to cut out a sample and for some reason the shit is just off. I have songs that I've made 6 or 7 attempts on and can't get the part I want to match up with drums. It irks me when cats talk about making any music is easy. I've been though the learning process and teaching process and the shit takes years to even get decent.

Same shit with DJing. I swear I hear cats talk shit, but go try to scratch a fucking record or blend some shit to a beat. That shit is hard as fuck to figure out.

Hip Hop from its roots is art and a complicated art that doesn't get it's respect.
 
Alaskanredman said:
Man... the worst part is hearing a dope song, then trying to cut out a sample and for some reason the shit is just off. I have songs that I've made 6 or 7 attempts on and can't get the part I want to match up with drums. It irks me when cats talk about making any music is easy. I've been though the learning process and teaching process and the shit takes years to even get decent.
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i am currently making a song right this very moment and i have the chops right but i need a string that matches the old feel i got the vinyl to accompany it already i just need the right sound+ pitch and then i can move on to the drums and finish up the song
but for the life of me i can't find the right strings
this is day 3 on this song :smh::lol:

it'll be worth it when its done but dammit man :angry:
 
DatNiggaT said:
Nope, and I don't know anyone in the industry either :smh: That's an invalid argument because we're talking music, not laundry detergent :hmm:
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Point is, unless you benefit somehow from the music industry, the only thing that music should be judged on is the actual music. When discussing who's the best at their craft, things like record sales should never enter the conversation.
 
tuckdog said:
Point is, unless you benefit somehow from the music industry, the only thing that music should be judged on is the actual music. When discussing who's the best at their craft, things like record sales should never enter the conversation.
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:yes::yes::yes:

But lets not forget KRS-One! This cat can also do some kick azz beats!
 
tuckdog said:
Point is, unless you benefit somehow from the music industry, the only thing that music should be judged on is the actual music. When discussing who's the best at their craft, things like record sales should never enter the conversation.
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Basically... you like what you like, but argue on the merits of the actual music.
 
tuckdog said:
Point is, unless you benefit somehow from the music industry, the only thing that music should be judged on is the actual music. When discussing who's the best at their craft, things like record sales should never enter the conversation.
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Speak for yourself. Yall niggas don't know me or what I do. That's why it's funny to me :yes::lol:
 
I've never heard a RZA song or track that I liked.

For the record, I've never liked wu tang either

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Alaskanredman said:
Man... the worst part is hearing a dope song, then trying to cut out a sample and for some reason the shit is just off. I have songs that I've made 6 or 7 attempts on and can't get the part I want to match up with drums. It irks me when cats talk about making any music is easy. I've been though the learning process and teaching process and the shit takes years to even get decent.

Same shit with DJing. I swear I hear cats talk shit, but go try to scratch a fucking record or blend some shit to a beat. That shit is hard as fuck to figure out.

Hip Hop from its roots is art and a complicated art that doesn't get it's respect.
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What's your setup and how long have you been doing it?
 

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