Rick Ross Wants to Renegotiate His Deal With Def Jam and speaks on Pill

Its mind bonglin to me .... i've constantly asked people who are in the industry what the big deal with record labels. I always get the same response "thats where the money is" .... i be like the money is right in front of you you can reach your whole fan base in one swoop ..... wtf is the record label doing for you ??? marketing??? you can pay an ad agency to do the same shit.

Niggas in the game need to bond together and form they own shit separate from the record companies ..... i digress i will stop rantin.


In business you don't spend your own money. Most businessman that are successful in the industry aren't spending their own money. That's why artists go to labels. Labels are putting up production costs. Yea you have to pay it back but you don't care. You are making money off shows. And having Def Jam back you will generate more show money and buzz than coming in with E1. That's just real shit.

Jim Jones did all that bragging about making 7 dollars a album and ran over there to Columbia Records.

Some artists can't make money as a indie. Its easy to assume but some can't. Nicki Minaj would be missing out on MILLIONS if she was a indie artist. Same goes for Lady Gaga. Niggas like Rass Kass and Crooked I? They would lose being on a major because they will never sell records. They will always be weak sellers.
 
Its mind bonglin to me .... i've constantly asked people who are in the industry what the big deal with record labels. I always get the same response "thats where the money is" .... i be like the money is right in front of you you can reach your whole fan base in one swoop ..... wtf is the record label doing for you ??? marketing??? you can pay an ad agency to do the same shit.

Niggas in the game need to bond together and form they own shit separate from the record companies ..... i digress i will stop rantin.


In business you don't spend your own money. Most businessman that are successful in the industry aren't spending their own money. That's why artists go to labels. Labels are putting up production costs. Yea you have to pay it back but you don't care. You are making money off shows. And having Def Jam back you will generate more show money and buzz than coming in with E1. That's just real shit.

Jim Jones did all that bragging about making 7 dollars a album and ran over there to Columbia Records.

Some artists can't make money as a indie. Its easy to assume but some can't. Nicki Minaj would be missing out on MILLIONS if she was a indie artist. Same goes for Lady Gaga. Niggas like Rass Kass and Crooked I? They would lose being on a major because they will never sell records. They will always be weak sellers.
 
Def Jam has no choice. Who else on the label do they have aside from Kanye and Rihanna? They no longer have Ne-Yo. Maybe Ludacris. That's about it. Rawse is one of their biggest artists. He's surely one of their most relevant.

If he thinks that he can get a better deal someplace else, Def Jam will probably let him walk. They've crunched the numbers. They have a set amount they are willing to spend based on the revenue that he generates for them. If he's trying to go over that amount he's no longer worth the investment. Those Big Bird coats ain't cheap, ya heard?

Factor in his health concerns and it wouldn't be that big a deal to them if they let him bounce. I'm surprised that he thinks he'd do better with CM. Birdman will give him some cars and watches but they really aren't known for paying their artists what they are due/worth.
 
What do you consider a flop? Not going platinum. I think the game has evolved in the last 10 years while a rapper might not go platinum Rick Ross is being played everywhere. Rick Ross is killin his lane (Jeezy's lane with 2chainz making some strides). But i did just take a look at wikipedia is last 2 albums (Deeper than Rap / Teflon Don) only did 1 mil combined. No way in hell he should be asking to renegotiate.
I feel what you are saying but I am looking at the recording/promotions cost.
He always has a big budget for every album he drops but he never recoups. That is why I am wondering if he has a 360 deal cause there is no way in hell that a major record label would keep loosing money no matter how popular the artist is. Shit didn't Mariah get dropped from def jam?
 
I feel what you are saying but I am looking at the recording/promotions cost.
He always has a big budget for every album he drops but he never recoups. That is why I am wondering if he has a 360 deal cause there is no way in hell that a major record label would keep loosing money no matter how popular the artist is. Shit didn't Mariah get dropped from def jam?

Who says Def Jam is losing money on Rawse though?
 
If he thinks that he can get a better deal someplace else, Def Jam will probably let him walk. They've crunched the numbers. They have a set amount they are willing to spend based on the revenue that he generates for them. If he's trying to go over that amount he's no longer worth the investment. Those Big Bird coats ain't cheap, ya heard?

Factor in his health concerns and it wouldn't be that big a deal to them if they let him bounce. I'm surprised that he thinks he'd do better with CM. Birdman will give him some cars and watches but they really aren't known for paying their artists what they are due/worth.

Rawse will be good either way. He's making Warner money. They not putting much bread into those albums. He's basically using Def Jam to market himself and putting out MMG albums through Warner. Warner is far better at budgeting careers and artists than Def Jam is.

Def Jam has some guys lined up. They have 2 Chainz. They have people to replace Rawse with. But as far as artists who are gonna come out of the gate selling at least 400k on their albums? That list is small at Def Jam.
 
What do you consider a flop? Not going platinum. I think the game has evolved in the last 10 years while a rapper might not go platinum Rick Ross is being played everywhere. Rick Ross is killin his lane (Jeezy's lane with 2chainz making some strides). But i did just take a look at wikipedia is last 2 albums (Deeper than Rap / Teflon Don) only did 1 mil combined. No way in hell he should be asking to renegotiate.

As for radio they get payed to play the songs they do so that's costing money and it's not as though Ross has failed to get promoted by Def Jam. So yeah he is hot to most but that may not translate to the amount of money that Def Jam would expect based on what they've spent unless he has a 360 deal and they're getting a chunk of show money. And just think the other rappers who get airplay to the level of Ross such as Kanye,Jay Z,Wayne and Drake have and do go platinum consistently.
 
As for radio they get payed to play the songs they do so that's costing money and it's not as though Ross has failed to get promoted by Def Jam. So yeah he is hot to most but that may not translate to the amount of money that Def Jam would expect based on what they've spent unless he has a 360 deal and they're getting a chunk of show money. And just think the other rappers who get airplay to the level of Ross such as Kanye,Jay Z,Wayne and Drake have and do go platinum consistently.

Kanye, Jay and Wayne and Drake got airplay on pop radio though. Rawse getting play on urban radio. That's a big difference .
 
Its mind bonglin to me .... i've constantly asked people who are in the industry what the big deal with record labels. I always get the same response "thats where the money is" .... i be like the money is right in front of you you can reach your whole fan base in one swoop ..... wtf is the record label doing for you ??? marketing??? you can pay an ad agency to do the same shit.

Niggas in the game need to bond together and form they own shit separate from the record companies ..... i digress i will stop rantin.

Distribution
 
Def Jam has no choice. Who else on the label do they have aside from Kanye and Rihanna? They no longer have Ne-Yo. Maybe Ludacris. That's about it. Rawse is one of their biggest artists. He's surely one of their most relevant.

jeezy went gold in 2 month

he is still outselling ross
 
Rawse will be good either way. He's making Warner money. They not putting much bread into those albums. He's basically using Def Jam to market himself and putting out MMG albums through Warner. Warner is far better at budgeting careers and artists than Def Jam is.

Def Jam has some guys lined up. They have 2 Chainz. They have people to replace Rawse with. But as far as artists who are gonna come out of the gate selling at least 400k on their albums? That list is small at Def Jam.

True, like 2Chainz was saying he felt like he had gone as far as he could dropping mixtapes.
 
In business you don't spend your own money. Most businessman that are successful in the industry aren't spending their own money. That's why artists go to labels. Labels are putting up production costs. Yea you have to pay it back but you don't care. You are making money off shows. And having Def Jam back you will generate more show money and buzz than coming in with E1. That's just real shit.

Jim Jones did all that bragging about making 7 dollars a album and ran over there to Columbia Records.

Some artists can't make money as a indie. Its easy to assume but some can't. Nicki Minaj would be missing out on MILLIONS if she was a indie artist. Same goes for Lady Gaga. Niggas like Rass Kass and Crooked I? They would lose being on a major because they will never sell records. They will always be weak sellers.


I'm sorry but I can't agree with that statement. Most big businesses are made from money you put up yourself. Look at that spandex lady that chick invested 5k and now her company is worth a billion. She's not a rapper but she has a product that she pushes rappers are doing the exact same thing.

Plus if you have to give it back any ..... aren't you already payin for it? Take Tech9 for instant he is an indie artist and clears well north of 1 mil now he's no GaGa but he 1 mil is pretty good for just being known in the mid west.

What production cost are you talking about? Clearances, marketing, videos, touring? Clearances might be the biggest hurdle i don't know enough to say how that goes. Everybody got a DSLR videos are hella cheap, marketing can be done by an ad agency.



I feel what you are saying but I am looking at the recording/promotions cost.
He always has a big budget for every album he drops but he never recoups. That is why I am wondering if he has a 360 deal cause there is no way in hell that a major record label would keep loosing money no matter how popular the artist is. Shit didn't Mariah get dropped from def jam?

What was is esitmated budget ? .... do we even know if he recouped any of it?
 
Only 1 million combined? That's a GREAT look though . Who selling over 1 million records on two albums? Only about 5 other rappers and shit some singers and pop artists can't do it.

Rawse hasn't flopped. I can't speak on marketing dollars but the dude makes albums for the low and sells at least 500k. He's a record labels dream. Now if Def Jam is putting a lot of marketing dollars into him than that's their fault. They have a artist on the label that's going to do 500k every time out.

And regardless of sales Rick Ross and MMG are the most popular artists in the game. If they come to your city they are going to pack up a avenue. That's just real shit.
his last album could never be low check out who is on it

No. Title Writer(s) Producer(s) Length
1. "I'm Not a Star" Erik "Rook" Ortiz, Kevin "Colione" Crowe, William Leonard Roberts II J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 3:00
2. "Free Mason" (featuring John Legend & Jay-Z) John Stephens, Johnny Mollings, Leigh Elliott, Lenny Mollings, Maurice Carpenter, Roberts, Shawn Corey Carter The Inkredibles 4:07
3. "Tears of Joy" (featuring Cee-Lo Green) Bobby Seale, Dion Wilson, Roberts, Thomas DeCarlo Callaway, Willie McKinley Hutchison No I.D. 5:33
4. "Maybach Music III" (featuring T.I., Jadakiss & Erykah Badu) Clifford Joseph Harris, Jr., Crowe, Erica Abi Wright, Jason Phillips, Ortiz, Roberts J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 4:26
5. "Live Fast, Die Young" (featuring Kanye West) Frederick Knight, Kanye West, Marvin Gaye, Roberts Kanye West 6:13
6. "Super High" (featuring Ne-Yo) Emanuel Johnson, Knight, Mark Richardson, Mike Stokes, Roberts, Shaffer Chimere Smith, Jr. Clark Kent, The Remedy for F.A.T.E., LLC 3:46
7. "No. 1" (featuring Diddy & Trey Songz) Floyd Nathaniel Hills, Robers, Sean John Combs, Tremaine Aldon Neverson Danja 3:54
8. "MC Hammer" (featuring Gucci Mane) Felton Pilate, James Earley, Lexus Arnel Lewis, Louis K. Burrell, Michael Kelly, Radric Davis, Roberts, Stanley Kirk Burrell Lex Luger 4:59
9. "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)" (featuring Styles P) David Styles, Lewis, Roberts Lex Luger 4:10
10. "Aston Martin Music" (featuring Chrisette Michele & Drake) Aubrey Drake Graham, Chrisette Michele Payne, Crowe, Ortiz, Roberts J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 4:30
11. "All the Money in the World" (featuring Raphael Saadiq) Brian Parker, Bob Wicler, Charles Ray Wiggins, David Stokes, Jayson James, Kyle Miller, Roberts The Olympicks 4:40
 
I'm sorry but I can't agree with that statement. Most big businesses are made from money you put up yourself. Look at that spandex lady that chick invested 5k and now her company is worth a billion. She's not a rapper but she has a product that she pushes rappers are doing the exact same thing.

Plus if you have to give it back any ..... aren't you already payin for it? Take Tech9 for instant he is an indie artist and clears well north of 1 mil now he's no GaGa but he 1 mil is pretty good for just being known in the mid west.

What production cost are you talking about? Clearances, marketing, videos, touring? Clearances might be the biggest hurdle i don't know enough to say how that goes. Everybody got a DSLR videos are hella cheap, marketing can be done by an ad agency.





What was is esitmated budget ? .... do we even know if he recouped any of it?

Tech9 stack way more bread than that homie. Certain niggas in the bay is caking and nobody has never heard of them outside the Yay.
 
Of course he is. He gone double platinum before. He's sold over 5 million records. Rawse been a gold seller his whole career.

im just saying you naming all the names and left him out he is the most relevant now on def jam if you look at album sales
 
Who says Def Jam is losing money on Rawse though?
How are they making money? The only way I can see them turning a profit on Ross is them only being his distributor or him having a 360 deal.
As for radio they get payed to play the songs they do so that's costing money and it's not as though Ross has failed to get promoted by Def Jam. So yeah he is hot to most but that may not translate to the amount of money that Def Jam would expect based on what they've spent unless he has a 360 deal and they're getting a chunk of show money. And just think the other rappers who get airplay to the level of Ross such as Kanye,Jay Z,Wayne and Drake have and do go platinum consistently.
This right here.
 
jeezy went gold in 2 month

he is still outselling ross

cuz Jeezy got a real fanbase

Ross was shooting all those slugs but look now

he will never sell records like Jeezy

I dont know if going to Cash Money/Young Money will change that honestly

he is doing his thing in the rap game and putting a few niggas on no doubt but it is what it is
 
cuz Jeezy got a real fanbase

Ross was shooting all those slugs but look now

he will never sell records like Jeezy

I dont know if going to Cash Money/Young Money will change that honestly

he is doing his thing in the rap game and putting a few niggas on no doubt but it is what it is

thats what im saying and the nigga had a big mouth saying jeezy wont come out ahha im still waiting on his album to drop.


shit ross is just gucci mane on a higher level they hot on the street but it doesn't translate in album sales
 
Tech9 stack way more bread than that homie. Certain niggas in the bay is caking and nobody has never heard of them outside the Yay.
That independent cake gives that major record label cake a run for its money.
ICP (i am not a fan)probably has more chips then half the niggas in the rap game.
 
As for radio they get payed to play the songs they do so that's costing money and it's not as though Ross has failed to get promoted by Def Jam. So yeah he is hot to most but that may not translate to the amount of money that Def Jam would expect based on what they've spent unless he has a 360 deal and they're getting a chunk of show money. And just think the other rappers who get airplay to the level of Ross such as Kanye,Jay Z,Wayne and Drake have and do go platinum consistently.

Radio is dying nobody listens to that shit anymore. They play the same fucking songs .... like another poster said the internet is killin shit. Everyone i'm fucking with ain't playin on the radio. I have yet to hear a Kendrick Lamar song on the radio in the DMV.

Distribution

Itunes, amazon, who's is still buying cd's in the store? Everything's digital

True, like 2Chainz was saying he felt like he had gone as far as he could dropping mixtapes.

This will be interesting how it plays out in 3-4 years. I think 2chainz had something to do with why Rawse wants to renegotiate. Labels do help with clearances and publishing i'd be shocked if there the only ones that can do it.

In order for 2chainz to start makin real money he needs to do cross-over shit but i don't see that happening.
 
Ross will continue to sell the same amount of records because he doesn't have that one lead single to get new listeners and pust it over the top. I'm convinced that if he put "Maybach Music" with Drake as his lead instead of the Styles P track this album would be be platinum.


i dnt knw so.... why would the order of the single release matter... these songs in particular??? how could that make that much of a difference:confused::confused::confused: if the album is hot.. its hot....

i used to get promo cd's of new & established artist all the time...... i never understood how people with really good music never made it to the radio or the best songs not getting played & thus them not being promoted more & selling records...... i would think if you spend all that money doing the project.. taking pic's & shit..... shooting videos.... why not release & promote
... the artist / project...... :smh::smh::smh:
i dnt really listen to the radio & when i did i never really acquired records/cd's or dl's just because i like a single..... i usually just like the artist.... or the executive producer/ producer...& now im starting to follow song writers....
( man i miss reading the back of album covers & the lil booklets that used to come with the cd's wit the lyrics & credits.....& sometimes sample info..:yes:) ......
 
That independent cake gives that major record label cake a run for its money.
ICP (i am not a fan)probably has more chips then half the niggas in the rap game.

yeah but they on another level if you talking about independent sales. they sell 200-300k independent thats big money.

shit look at mac miller he sold like 200k something his first week
 
I'm sorry but I can't agree with that statement. Most big businesses are made from money you put up yourself. Look at that spandex lady that chick invested 5k and now her company is worth a billion. She's not a rapper but she has a product that she pushes rappers are doing the exact same thing.

Plus if you have to give it back any ..... aren't you already payin for it? Take Tech9 for instant he is an indie artist and clears well north of 1 mil now he's no GaGa but he 1 mil is pretty good for just being known in the mid west.

What production cost are you talking about? Clearances, marketing, videos, touring? Clearances might be the biggest hurdle i don't know enough to say how that goes. Everybody got a DSLR videos are hella cheap, marketing can be done by an ad agency.





What was is esitmated budget ? .... do we even know if he recouped any of it?

That chic may have invested 5k but she surely down the road wasn't spending her own money to make it worth a billion. She couldn't have been. And when it comes to marketing costs i'm talking about building up a artist. TV shows, guest spots, radio spots, radio play, promo tours...that shit costs money. And if you want to do it on the level of a a major artists you gotta put money up front.


his last album could never be low check out who is on it

No. Title Writer(s) Producer(s) Length
1. "I'm Not a Star" Erik "Rook" Ortiz, Kevin "Colione" Crowe, William Leonard Roberts II J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 3:00
2. "Free Mason" (featuring John Legend & Jay-Z) John Stephens, Johnny Mollings, Leigh Elliott, Lenny Mollings, Maurice Carpenter, Roberts, Shawn Corey Carter The Inkredibles 4:07
3. "Tears of Joy" (featuring Cee-Lo Green) Bobby Seale, Dion Wilson, Roberts, Thomas DeCarlo Callaway, Willie McKinley Hutchison No I.D. 5:33
4. "Maybach Music III" (featuring T.I., Jadakiss & Erykah Badu) Clifford Joseph Harris, Jr., Crowe, Erica Abi Wright, Jason Phillips, Ortiz, Roberts J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 4:26
5. "Live Fast, Die Young" (featuring Kanye West) Frederick Knight, Kanye West, Marvin Gaye, Roberts Kanye West 6:13
6. "Super High" (featuring Ne-Yo) Emanuel Johnson, Knight, Mark Richardson, Mike Stokes, Roberts, Shaffer Chimere Smith, Jr. Clark Kent, The Remedy for F.A.T.E., LLC 3:46
7. "No. 1" (featuring Diddy & Trey Songz) Floyd Nathaniel Hills, Robers, Sean John Combs, Tremaine Aldon Neverson Danja 3:54
8. "MC Hammer" (featuring Gucci Mane) Felton Pilate, James Earley, Lexus Arnel Lewis, Louis K. Burrell, Michael Kelly, Radric Davis, Roberts, Stanley Kirk Burrell Lex Luger 4:59
9. "B.M.F. (Blowin' Money Fast)" (featuring Styles P) David Styles, Lewis, Roberts Lex Luger 4:10
10. "Aston Martin Music" (featuring Chrisette Michele & Drake) Aubrey Drake Graham, Chrisette Michele Payne, Crowe, Ortiz, Roberts J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League 4:30
11. "All the Money in the World" (featuring Raphael Saadiq) Brian Parker, Bob Wicler, Charles Ray Wiggins, David Stokes, Jayson James, Kyle Miller, Roberts The Olympicks 4:40

:lol: Man Def Jam ain't losing money on those collaborations. Rick Rawse had all of those SAME ARTISTS on his free mix tape. A mix tape he gave away.

There's way's around that. Favor for favors or simply on some I hit you up and you hook me up with a verse later on. There's no coincidence that he had Kanye on his album and then Rawse showed up TWICE on My Beautiful Dark Fantasy. He does a record with Drake but all of a sudden shows up on THREE songs with Drake for his album? His albums may cost a lot of push but its not because of the guest spots or producers. Its not ilke he had Michael Jackson and Timbaland producing on the album.
 
he doesn't sell records so he doesn't make the label any money

he makes himself money by doing features and constantly touring
but he don't make def jam nothing

nobody makes nobody anything sans birdman
cause that dudes takes your check before you even see it
 
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Itunes, amazon, w Everything's digital



This will be i

In order for 2chainz to start makin real money he needs to do cross-over shit but i don't see that happening.
2 chainz will be alright unlike 80% of the rapgame he came with something in the room. he didnt really need the label cause he was making money on his own. :yes:
 
Radio is dying nobody listens to that shit anymore. They play the same fucking songs .... like another poster said the internet is killin shit. Everyone i'm fucking with ain't playin on the radio. I have yet to hear a Kendrick Lamar song on the radio in the DMV.



Itunes, amazon, who's is still buying cd's in the store? Everything's digital



This will be interesting how it plays out in 3-4 years. I think 2chainz had something to do with why Rawse wants to renegotiate. Labels do help with clearances and publishing i'd be shocked if there the only ones that can do it.

In order for 2chainz to start makin real money he needs to do cross-over shit but i don't see that happening.

why cant you be just as big w/o a record company if you used them to get to where ..say a rick ross is now????? prince seems to do pretty well with how he releases music & does shows to support his projects...not saying dude is like prince in any way but.... just the way he does business.... & uses the internet.............. it would seem like a logical step.... why sign those crazy deals..... i think drake could have done just as well on his own..... all things considered.....:dunno:
 
That independent cake gives that major record label cake a run for its money.
ICP (i am not a fan)probably has more chips then half the niggas in the rap game.

You are probably right about ICP. I was on Netflix this week. Why do those fools have a movie on there? A Western. In clown paint. Yeah.

Their fans are die hard passionate fans. As an indie the $ and numbers are great. Being on a major label wouldn't help them at all cause you can't really grow that fanbase. Ain't too many people gonna like that sh!t. The $ you spend trying to find more fans won't cover what you spend.

Officer Ricky costs a lot to produce and promote for Def Jam. Plus he feels he is a star based on his status in the rap game. He's not filing arenas, just smaller venues so Def Jam isn't seeing huge show money. It might end up worth it to Def Jam to let him walk.
 
2 chainz will be alright unlike 80% of the rapgame he came with something in the room. he didnt really need the label cause he was making money on his own. :yes:

When i say real money i mean like 5 million+ .... he's definitely going to be straight.
 
That chic may have invested 5k but she surely down the road wasn't spending her own money to make it worth a billion. She couldn't have been. And when it comes to marketing costs i'm talking about building up a artist. TV shows, guest spots, radio spots, radio play, promo tours...that shit costs money. And if you want to do it on the level of a a major artists you gotta put money up front.




:lol: Man Def Jam ain't losing money on those collaborations. Rick Rawse had all of those SAME ARTISTS on his free mix tape. A mix tape he gave away.

There's way's around that. Favor for favors or simply on some I hit you up and you hook me up with a verse later on. There's no coincidence that he had Kanye on his album and then Rawse showed up TWICE on My Beautiful Dark Fantasy. He does a record with Drake but all of a sudden shows up on THREE songs with Drake for his album? His albums may cost a lot of push but its not because of the guest spots or producers. Its not ilke he had Michael Jackson and Timbaland producing on the album.

nah i get what you are saying and it happens here and there.but i forgot which rapper that said it. he said that with albums the labels are paying for it, so they wont charge the artist but the label. so in other words ross aint the one paying for those features. its all in the budget. so lets say somebody like jay wont feel guilty to ask for money. you really think niggas like jay-z and diidy wont charge his ass? shit jay alone is 100k
 
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why cant you be just as big w/o a record company if you used them to get to where ..say a rick ross is now????? prince seems to do pretty well with how he releases music & does shows to support his projects...not saying dude is like prince in any way but.... just the way he does business.... & uses the internet.............. it would seem like a logical step.... why sign those crazy deals..... i think drake could have done just as well on his own..... all things considered.....:dunno:

money thats the reason. i bet prince is putting a lot of his own money in his career and i dont see rappers doing that. these niggas cant even pay taxes sad enough
 
That Jeezy track with Neyo is blowing up. Ppl don't realize this but Jeezy concert is the one that sold out on the metro pcs 5 borough tour so even tho Ross is hotter Jeezy is making hits n selling out his shows
 
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