Rick Ross Wants to Renegotiate His Deal With Def Jam and speaks on Pill

[HotSauce161]

why cant you be just as big w/o a record company if you used them to get to where ..say a rick ross is now????? prince seems to do pretty well with how he releases music & does shows to support his projects...not saying dude is like prince in any way but.... just the way he does business.... & uses the internet.............. it would seem like a logical step.... why sign those crazy deals..... i think drake could have done just as well on his own..... all things considered.....

Using Drake as an example. Do you think that he had the cash to pay musicians and producers on the album, press cds to put in Walmart/Target, film videos, book tour buses, schedule radio promo spots etc?

Prince has $ like that. Plus Prince has fans that all they have to do is hear Prince has a new record and they go get it. Does Drake have fans like that? Sight unseen no leaked tracks they will just go buy the album?

Being an indie artist is a grind. You can't have any shady business partners or dead weight in your camp. Of the artists that you see now that have hit it big, huge record selling artists how many of them have decided to go it on their own and left labels? Most are still with lables despite them being huge. There are only a handful of acts with Live Nation and most people think that Live Nation is getting the shafted in those deals.

 

[keone]

 

[greenz]

That chic may have invested 5k but she surely down the road wasn't spending her own money to make it worth a billion. She couldn't have been. And when it comes to marketing costs i'm talking about building up a artist. TV shows, guest spots, radio spots, radio play, promo tours...that shit costs money. And if you want to do it on the level of a a major artists you gotta put money up front.




Man Def Jam ain't losing money on those collaborations. Rick Rawse had all of those SAME ARTISTS on his free mix tape. A mix tape he gave away.

There's way's around that. Favor for favors or simply on some I hit you up and you hook me up with a verse later on. There's no coincidence that he had Kanye on his album and then Rawse showed up TWICE on My Beautiful Dark Fantasy. He does a record with Drake but all of a sudden shows up on THREE songs with Drake for his album? His albums may cost a lot of push but its not because of the guest spots or producers. Its not ilke he had Michael Jackson and Timbaland producing on the album.

She wasn't spending her own money but she also wasn't paying people back because they invested in her business so they each have a equal risk and equal rewards. I understand what records labels are here for but the artist should be building there business just like any other business where people invest in instead of giving out loans.

 

[HotSauce161]

nah i get what you are saying and it happens here and there.but i forgot which rapper that said it. he said that with albums the labels are paying for it, so they wont charge the artist but the label. so in other words ross aint the one paying for those features. its all in the budget. so lets say somebody like jay wont feel guilty to ask for money. you really think niggas like jay-z and diidy wont charge his ass? shit jay alone is 100k

yup.

I know no one here thinks Diddy gonna do something on record for free.

Diddy.

 

[dtownsfinest]

How are they making money? The only way I can see them turning a profit on Ross is them only being his distributor or him having a 360 deal.

This right here.

You gotta know what the production costs are for his albums. If his albums don't cost much to produce than how can they be taking a L? Its like Ace Hood. They can let him flop 3 times because his albums don't cost shit to make. Now Rawse has a far bigger budget than Hood but it comes down to how much money you putting into albums as opposed to how much you sell.

cuz Jeezy got a real fanbase

Ross was shooting all those slugs but look now

he will never sell records like Jeezy

I dont know if going to Cash Money/Young Money will change that honestly

he is doing his thing in the rap game and putting a few niggas on no doubt but it is what it is

Maybe not but Jeezy was going platinum and double platinum. Now he's going gold and his popularity isn't really increasing. His sales are only going to get worse. I feel like Rawse sells will stay stagnant. He's starting to get into that lane of being known as a solid music maker.

im just saying you naming all the names and left him out he is the most relevant now on def jam if you look at album sales

Yea I got caught slipping. I forgot about Jeezy. When I think of Def Jam I think of pop artists. I forgot Jeezy was over there. He's doing it.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

its

not

I get dough like

 

[keone]

its

not

I get dough like

 

[greenz]

That Jeezy track with Neyo is blowing up. Ppl don't realize this but Jeezy concert is the one that sold out on the metro pcs 5 borough tour so even tho Ross is hotter Jeezy is making hits n selling out his shows

I concur with this Ross was in DC 4 weeks before jeezy and i heard the show was dead as fuck. Jeezy was at the new fillmore in MD niggas was selling general admission tickets for 150 that shit was packed i heard.

 

[dtownsfinest]

yup.

I know no one here thinks Diddy gonna do something on record for free.

Diddy.

I don't think he did it for free but at the same time have you noticed all of those music videos with Ciroc Bottles in them and the "Sponsored by Ciroc"? You think Rawse doing that for free?

nah i get what you are saying and it happens here and there.but i forgot which rapper that said it. he said that with albums the labels are paying for it, so they wont charge the artist but the label. so in other words ross aint the one paying for those features. its all in the budget. so lets say somebody like jay wont feel guilty to ask for money. you really think niggas like jay-z and diidy wont charge his ass? shit jay alone is 100k

I always find it odd with Jay. I honestly could see him charging 100k but that's nothing. But the reason why I don't think he's charging much is because he's on EVERY RAWSE album to date. He probably has a few cats charge but I doubt his album budget costs over 500k.

nah i get what you are saying and it happens here and there.but i forgot which rapper that said it. he said that with albums the labels are paying for it, so they wont charge the artist but the label. so in other words ross aint the one paying for those features. its all in the budget. so lets say somebody like jay wont feel guilty to ask for money. you really think niggas like jay-z and diidy wont charge his ass? shit jay alone is 100k

I always find it odd with Jay. I honestly could see him charging 100k but that's nothing. But the reason why I don't think he's charging much is because he's on EVERY RAWSE album to date. He probably has a few cats charge but I doubt his album budget costs over 500k. I wasn't trying to say he pays nothing for guest spots. But its not as much as you would think. The Jay feature is probably a costly one but even then it wouldn't shock me if it was on some under the table shit. It also depends on how Rawse gets his budget. Does Def Jam give him 2 million to produce his album or do they just allow him to spend all he wants and then tell him he's in the red and he owes them money? It would seem like he would've been dropped if it was the latter.

 

[bigman23]

Def Jam has no choice. Who else on the label do they have aside from Kanye and Rihanna? They no longer have Ne-Yo. Maybe Ludacris. That's about it. Rawse is one of their biggest artists. He's surely one of their most relevant.

justin bieber the biggest selling artist on def jam now

 

[keone]

I always find it odd with Jay. I honestly could see him charging 100k but that's nothing. But the reason why I don't think he's charging much is because he's on EVERY RAWSE album to date. He probably has a few cats charge but I doubt his album budget costs over 500k. I wasn't trying to say he pays nothing for guest spots. But its not as much as you would think. The Jay feature is probably a costly one but even then it wouldn't shock me if it was on some under the table shit. It also depends on how Rawse gets his budget. Does Def Jam give him 2 million to produce his album or do they just allow him to spend all he wants and then tell him he's in the red and he owes them money? It would seem like he would've been dropped if it was the latter.

yeah you might be right. but then again ross one of the biggest in the game. but def jam is known for doing stupid shit remember jay last album they put in all that money and he barley recouped. shit def jam has a $80million debt thats says enough


and lst i heard he still pays e-class money casue he is in contract with him and tony draper too.


DX: Last Ross-related question: it’s just curiosity that I have to ask, did you know about his pre-Rap past back then; did you know he had been a C.O.?

Erick Sermon: No, I had no clue. All I knew and could tell you about Ricky was the fact that he was nice even then. What you hear now is what he was then. How he progressed and people didn’t know he was an emcee, he was always an emcee first, before he dumbed it down and came out and then [developed that style] to what you hear now. He was always ill. Like, technique, metaphors, spittin’ crazy, he’s always been that way.

DX: And you didn’t think to scoop him up?

Erick Sermon: He wasn’t signed to me. And you know how Suave House is. He’s still in some paperwork with Tony Draper. You know Draper’s like a … J. Prince kind of.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/inter...gie-and-reveals-epmd-is-done-making-new-music

 

[bigman23]

cuz Jeezy got a real fanbase

Ross was shooting all those slugs but look now

he will never sell records like Jeezy

I dont know if going to Cash Money/Young Money will change that honestly

he is doing his thing in the rap game and putting a few niggas on no doubt but it is what it is

jeezy is not pushing platinum right now you know right so he is selling more then jeezy right now

 

[D-TOWN REP]

jeezy is not pushing platinum right now you know right so he is selling more then jeezy right now

and Ross went platinum when?

whats the album count at for TM103 is it gold yet?

 

[keone]

and Ross went platinum when?

whats the album count at for TM103 is it gold yet?

tm103 went gold in 2 months

ross will never outsell jeezy point blank

Several fourth-quarter album releases received timely Gold certifications in January for selling more than 500,000 copies. The golden gaggle includes: Italian tenor Andrea Bocelli’s Concerto One Night (Decca Label Group), English indie band Florence + the Machine’s Ceremonials (Universal Republic), Ohio blues rock duo The Black Keys’ El Camino (Nonesuch) and Atlanta rapper Young Jeezy’s Thug Motivation 103: Hustlerz Ambition (Def Jam).
http://www.riaa.com/newsitem.php?co...archterms=young jeezy&terminclude=&termexact=

 

[shaddyvillethug]

They say I run the game

 

[keone]

jeezy is not pushing platinum right now you know right so he is selling more then jeezy right now

telflon don came out 2010 jeeyz tm103 came out december 2011

 

[soulcontroller]

telflon don came out 2010 jeeyz tm103 came out december 2011

 

[xspade7]

You are probably right about ICP. I was on Netflix this week. Why do those fools have a movie on there? A Western. In clown paint. Yeah.

Their fans are die hard passionate fans. As an indie the $ and numbers are great. Being on a major label wouldn't help them at all cause you can't really grow that fanbase. Ain't too many people gonna like that sh!t. The $ you spend trying to find more fans won't cover what you spend.

Officer Ricky costs a lot to produce and promote for Def Jam. Plus he feels he is a star based on his status in the rap game. He's not filing arenas, just smaller venues so Def Jam isn't seeing huge show money. It might end up worth it to Def Jam to let him walk.

ICP been around since the 90's, they have there own label, wrestling promotion and other shit. ICP broke never. Juggalos no joke!

 

[dtownsfinest]

yeah you might be right. but then again ross one of the biggest in the game. but def jam is known for doing stupid shit remember jay last album they put in all that money and he barley recouped. shit def jam has a $80million debt thats says enough


and lst i heard he still pays e-class money casue he is in contract with him and tony draper too.


DX: Last Ross-related question: it’s just curiosity that I have to ask, did you know about his pre-Rap past back then; did you know he had been a C.O.?

Erick Sermon: No, I had no clue. All I knew and could tell you about Ricky was the fact that he was nice even then. What you hear now is what he was then. How he progressed and people didn’t know he was an emcee, he was always an emcee first, before he dumbed it down and came out and then [developed that style] to what you hear now. He was always ill. Like, technique, metaphors, spittin’ crazy, he’s always been that way.

DX: And you didn’t think to scoop him up?

Erick Sermon: He wasn’t signed to me. And you know how Suave House is. He’s still in some paperwork with Tony Draper. You know Draper’s like a … J. Prince kind of.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/inter...gie-and-reveals-epmd-is-done-making-new-music

That's crazy to hear Eric Sermon talk like that. I'm glad he knows that bullshit Prince and Draper be on.

Def Jam was stupid on that Jay album. They can't even justify all the money they paid for that bullshit. They probably paid stupid fees like having Jay record in Cambodia or some shit with Kanye. Just meaningless fees.

 

[keone]

That's crazy to hear Eric Sermon talk like that. I'm glad he knows that bullshit Prince and Draper be on.

Def Jam was stupid on that Jay album. They can't even justify all the money they paid for that bullshit. They probably paid stupid fees like having Jay record in Cambodia or some shit with Kanye. Just meaningless fees.

 

[c_commander]

I always find it odd with Jay. I honestly could see him charging 100k but that's nothing. But the reason why I don't think he's charging much is because he's on EVERY RAWSE album to date. He probably has a few cats charge but I doubt his album budget costs over 500k.





I always find it odd with Jay. I honestly could see him charging 100k but that's nothing. But the reason why I don't think he's charging much is because he's on EVERY RAWSE album to date. He probably has a few cats charge but I doubt his album budget costs over 500k. I wasn't trying to say he pays nothing for guest spots. But its not as much as you would think. The Jay feature is probably a costly one but even then it wouldn't shock me if it was on some under the table shit. It also depends on how Rawse gets his budget. Does Def Jam give him 2 million to produce his album or do they just allow him to spend all he wants and then tell him he's in the red and he owes them money? It would seem like he would've been dropped if it was the latter.

The first couple of Jay Z appearances were probably for free being that Jay was running Def Jam and trying to build Ross. Once he no longer had that situation that would be when Ross would get charged.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

he doesn't sell records so he doesn't make the label any money

he makes himself money by doing features and constantly touring
but he don't make def jam nothing

I dont see why niggas cant get that. Most likely he signed a multiple album deal with def jam and now the contract is about to be up! Ross makes great music but the truth is he doesnt sell many records and in the music business the bottom line is well umm....SELLING RECORDS!

Officer Ricky costs a lot to produce and promote for Def Jam. Plus he feels he is a star based on his status in the rap game. He's not filing arenas, just smaller venues so Def Jam isn't seeing huge show money. It might end up worth it to Def Jam to let him walk.

TEMPLE!
If you niggas think for one second that ross isnt paying for those big features out his budget you niggas are dumb as shit! There is no way in hell Ross is recouping off record sales. He is probably so deep in the red that when he gets off def jam he will have to dig in his pockets and break them off what he owes. Take Ace hood for instance...we all know the nigga cant sell a record for shit..but most likely Def jam gave him a slave deal for 6 albums and just like Ace, they have to honor the contract or sell him to another label. So Ace hood will be dropping an Album every year until that contract is fulfilled...flops and all(and dont think a major record label will not send your debt to collections nigga)

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

The first couple of Jay Z appearances were probably for free being that Jay was running Def Jam and trying to build Ross. Once he no longer had that situation that would be when Ross would get charged.

Hell naw..Jigga is a slick nigga...Him opting in to appearing on Ross's Debut and second album was a scheme that had the Big Big white executives shelling out more money for his overall recording budget to make that happen.
Shit you had to pull Jay-z's arm to jump on a Roc-a-fella artist's track or video and he was getting payed double for that.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I dont see why niggas cant get that. Most likely he signed a multiple album deal with def jam and now the contract is about to be up! Ross makes great music but the truth is he doesnt sell many records and in the music business the bottom line is well umm....SELLING RECORDS!



TEMPLE!
If you niggas think for one second that ross isnt paying for those big features out his budget you niggas are dumb as shit! There is no way in hell Ross is recouping off record sales. He is probably so deep in the red that when he gets off def jam he will have to dig in his pockets and break them off what he owes. Take Ace hood for instance...we all know the nigga cant sell a record for shit..but most likely Def jam gave him a slave deal for 6 albums and just like Ace, they have to honor the contract or sell him to another label. So Ace hood will be dropping an Album every year until that contract is fulfilled...flops and all(and dont think a major record label will not send your debt to collections nigga)

You talking silly. No label is stupid enough to have you release a album every year and be in the red every time you drop. Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson both got dropped for that bullshit. But Rick Rawse is made of teflon and can't be dropped until he fulfills his album releases? Yea right.

 

[bigman23]

telflon don came out 2010 jeeyz tm103 came out december 2011

jeezy will not push another 300,000 for that album he will cap out at arouund 650,000

 

[shaddyvillethug]

i fell in love with the pen

startin fucking the ink

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

You talking silly. No label is stupid enough to have you release a album every year and be in the red every time you drop. Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson both got dropped for that bullshit. But Rick Rawse is made of teflon and can't be dropped until he fulfills his album releases? Yea right.

How am I talking silly?
No Major record label is stupid period. They are fully aware that they signed the contract too and will have to honor it or sell it. If his album doesn't sell, they will cut the budget,perdium(sp)and or advance on the next record. They cannot just drop him...its a whole lot of legalities to that shit and it might cost them more money in long drawn out court proceedings. Mariah and Janet are different entities. You cannot market an album for less the say 5 million for either of them. I believe in their situation the label throws them some dough and cuts their losses.

 

[ChrisR]

and lst i heard he still pays e-class money casue he is in contract with him and tony draper too.

You should kill yourself tonya mayo I mean keone

 

[GodBody]

I said it before and Im gonna say again FUCK JAY Z

 

[FJP]

I gotta laugh at niggas talking about Ross popularity like that means anything to the label outside of a 360 deal. I know for a fact the last 2 albums Ross did not recoup. Unless he has a 360 deal Def Jam probably is not going to put God Forgives I don't out. They can't risk it. Dude gets Jay-Z level promotion, but Joe Budden results. Def Jam wants a smash record and they don't hear that yet. Then Jeezy, who didn't even get the budget he got on The Recession does gold with almost no help from them.....goes gold in 45 days....that complicates the Ross situation even more.

 

[TheDynasty]

I gotta laugh at niggas talking about Ross popularity like that means anything to the label outside of a 360 deal. I know for a fact the last 2 albums Ross did not recoup. Unless he has a 360 deal Def Jam probably is not going to put God Forgives I don't out. They can't risk it. Dude gets Jay-Z level promotion, but Joe Budden results. Def Jam wants a smash record and they don't hear that yet. Then Jeezy, who didn't even get the budget he got on The Recession does gold with almost no help from them.....goes gold in 45 days....that complicates the Ross situation even more.

Gospel.

 

[PDQ21]

jeezy will not push another 300,000 for that album he will cap out at arouund 650,000

Does that matter tho in 2012 nothing wrong with selling around 700k that a successful album

Thing is ppl can talk those sales all they want cause if u don't drop I hot album it means nothing 2 me but everybody was tryna ride that ross wave n thought jeezy was done not he proving he's back n almost sold more in 3 months than ross sold in 2 yrs

Btw Rich Forever is a monster

 

[bigman23]

Does that matter tho in 2012 nothing wrong with selling around 700k that a successful album

Thing is ppl can talk those sales all they want cause if u don't drop I hot album it means nothing 2 me but everybody was tryna ride that ross wave n thought jeezy was done not he proving he's back n almost sold more in 3 months than ross sold in 2 yrs

Btw Rich Forever is a monster

but ross is selling more right now and his next album will defiantly boost his sales more jeezy time has come and gone good rapper but that gangster/dope/trapper rapper era is over

 

[keone]

jeezy will not push another 300,000 for that album he will cap out at arouund 650,000

and ross will do more with his new album?

I gotta laugh at niggas talking about Ross popularity like that means anything to the label outside of a 360 deal. I know for a fact the last 2 albums Ross did not recoup. Unless he has a 360 deal Def Jam probably is not going to put God Forgives I don't out. They can't risk it. Dude gets Jay-Z level promotion, but Joe Budden results. Def Jam wants a smash record and they don't hear that yet. Then Jeezy, who didn't even get the budget he got on The Recession does gold with almost no help from them.....goes gold in 45 days....that complicates the Ross situation even more.

thats what i was saying.

 

[The Untouchable GDFOLKS]

I gotta laugh at niggas talking about Ross popularity like that means anything to the label outside of a 360 deal. I know for a fact the last 2 albums Ross did not recoup. Unless he has a 360 deal Def Jam probably is not going to put God Forgives I don't out. They can't risk it. Dude gets Jay-Z level promotion, but Joe Budden results. Def Jam wants a smash record and they don't hear that yet. Then Jeezy, who didn't even get the budget he got on The Recession does gold with almost no help from them.....goes gold in 45 days....that complicates the Ross situation even more.

They dont hear you though.

but ross is selling more right now and his next album will defiantly boost his sales more jeezy time has come and gone good rapper but that gangster/dope/trapper rapper era is over

Thats not what Ross's track record says. Trust me Ross lives off show money.The MMG album didnt even sell well.