Mayweather refuses Manny's demand for a 50/50 split. Fight is in serious trouble.

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

He had life and death battles at lightweight with good but not great comp and at 37, 5 yrs Manny's senior, he was thought to be done, especially fighting at welterweight. In fact, I remember you thinking he was going to get slaughtered but NOW he was great competition.

You must be kidding thinking Hatton or Antonio had a real shot and you didn't think that about Juan in the third fight.
Cotto was still recovering from the beating he took from Margarito and had a tough fight that summer with Clottey AND they had him fight at a catchweight of 145 to weaken (so said Freddie Roach publicly) so he can't be listed as "tough comp".

And if you thought Oscar was going to be tough at 147 for Manny why do you not count his as tough for Floyd at 154?

Yeah, I felt Hatton had a shot. He was fighting at his proper weight. He had no excuse and was still the number 1 140 pound fighter. Antonio had him with his huge size advantage, and Oscar chose the weight. He still should have been able to compete but killed himself to make the fight. Cotto signed the contract. I still thought he would have been competitive. Juan is still a damn good if not great fighter. He proved it in in the lost. He is the thing with the weight issues. Catchweights have always been apart of boxing. If a fighter doesn't think they can compete then they should fight at that weight. Hatton was stupid as hell to fight PBF at 147. But he signed the contract and got beat. That boxing for you. Hatton and Oscar were the only fights since Chico PBF had that should have been competitive. But he proved he was better in the ring. I like to see him do that with Sergio, but I swear I hope it isn't with Sergio trying to make 150. That is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Oh the irony

I'm just wondering where you guys seen Manny say he would take less after he just said 50/50.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

@ anyone thinking Hatton had a shot.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Take Less Money Than Mayweather to Make Fight Happen
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ss-money-than-mayweather-to-make-fight-happen

Michael Marley over at Boxing Examiner is reporting that Manny Pacquiao, in an effort to solidify the richest money fight in history, has voiced his willingness to accept a smaller purse than Floyd Mayweather.

The article goes on to explain that Pacquiao recently gave an interview to Nick Giongco of the Manila Bulletin where he stated, "I will take less money than Mayweather gets because the important thing is making the fight happen."

Given that expectations for the pot of this megafight are easily in the neighborhood of $100 million, Pacquiao won't make out too badly even if he has to suffer a 45-55 split.

But Pacquiao's pronouncement is encouraging news for the boxing world given the stumbling blocks so far in trying to make this fight happen.

What remains the chief obstacle still seems to be the personal and business animosity between Bob Arum and Floyd Mayweather. Arum has a long track record of keeping his big fights in-house within his own stable of fighters.

It remains to be seen if the fallout of letting the biggest monetary fight in history slip through his fingers is enough incentive for Arum to begin serious negotiations in earnest of making the fight happen. Rumors have swirled about Arum's willingness, only to have Floyd Mayweather correct the record that in fact no negotiations had taken place.

Floyd still seems to have taken the advantage in this media battle of perception given his clear and definitive calling out Pacquiao and setting a date and location for the fight to take place (May 5, in Las Vegas).

I'm just wondering where you guys seen Manny say he would take less after he just said 50/50.

Check the above.

Don't try to be all critical of sources now Mr Floyd's Going to Fight Matthew Hatton or Paul Spadafora

 

[Alaskanredman]

Once Manny said he would take less money this thread became obsolete. Lol, what are you talking about?

Anyways it is all about your perception. I think Manny has fought tougher comp. I think Hatton, Antonio, Juan, Oscar, and Cotto had a chance to beat him. Juan was the lightweight champ of the world. Who only lost one fight since he fought Manny last. And that was to PBF. Lol, how does losing to PBF but defending your title twice and winning three fights in a row make you shot?

Hatton

Margarito.... I swear I told you for months Margarito would get destroyed... maybe the problem is you thinking.

I also remember shitting on all of Manny's choices that weren't Juan or Floyd, but being told marquez was done and Manny had advanced. I knew better... you didn't and for some reasom you are still avoid the post that debunks all your bullshiy as usual.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Yeah, I felt Hatton had a shot. He was fighting at his proper weight. He had no excuse and was still the number 1 140 pound fighter. Antonio had him with his huge size advantage, and Oscar chose the weight. He still should have been able to compete but killed himself to make the fight. Cotto signed the contract. I still thought he would have been competitive. Juan is still a damn good if not great fighter. He proved it in in the lost. He is the thing with the weight issues. Catchweights have always been apart of boxing. If a fighter doesn't think they can compete then they should fight at that weight. Hatton was stupid as hell to fight PBF at 147. But he signed the contract and got beat. That boxing for you. Hatton and Oscar were the only fights since Chico PBF had that should have been competitive. But he proved he was better in the ring. I like to see him do that with Sergio, but I swear I hope it isn't with Sergio trying to make 150. That is a recipe for disaster.

So for years you have shitted on Floyd domination of Marquez at a catchweight to say this. Still avoiding...

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

@ anyone thinking Hatton had a shot.

He was the bigger fighter. He was fighting at his proper weight. I mean he had a shot. Then they fought and he got a beating that made him want to kill himself. Hindsight is a mofo. Granted Manny was in beast mode at that time. Kind of like Tito when he was in his prime. He still was the smaller guy. I can see how people discounted his win against Oscar being all about weight draining. But Manny was on another level and we saw it when he fought Ricky. Which helped Manny to another fighter of the year award.

http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-pacquiao-vs-hatton--19690

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7981967.stm

 

[Alaskanredman]

Oh and Hatton never had a shot to beat a good opponent. Not Floyd or [[WM][/WM]PHP][/PHP]Manny. At least the fight with Floyd made sense because Hatton was the only one calling Floyd out before he beat Oscar.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

So for years you have shitted on Floyd domination of Marquez at a catchweight to say this. Still avoiding...

Yawn. Listen scorned e-stalker. I shit on PBF for making Juan move up two weight classes and not making weight like a professional does for that fight. I am sorry if my opinions cause you to come in crying about what I say. But Like Howard said to Shaq....‘get on with your* life’


* lol, slight edit

 

[Alaskanredman]

He was the bigger fighter. He was fighting at his proper weight. I mean he had a shot. Then they fought and he got a beating that made him want to kill himself. Hindsight is a mofo. Granted Manny was in beast mode at that time. Kind of like Tito when he was in his prime. He still was the smaller guy. I can see how people discounted his win against Oscar being all about weight draining. But Manny was on another level and we saw it when he fought Ricky. Which helped Manny to another fighter of the year award.

http://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-pacquiao-vs-hatton--19690

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/7981967.stm

Its only hindsight to people who don't know shit about boxing. Shit if all you have to do is be number one at your proper weight than Zab and/or Baldomir had a chance. Still avoiding.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Yawn. Listen scorned e-stalker. I shit on PBF for making Juan move up two weight classes and not making weight like a professional does for that fight. I am sorry if my opinions cause you to come in crying about what I say. But Like Howard said to Shaq....‘get on with your* life’


* lol, slight edit

The man signed the contract and then year later schooled Pac at full welter weight. Still avoiding..

 

[Alaskanredman]

The irony is a guy making boxing threads and post about ducking and he, himself ducks any counter points that expose his bullshit.

 

[HeathCliff]

The irony is a guy making boxing threads and post about ducking and he, himself ducks any counter points that expose his bullshit.

See Post #209

 

[1dcsailor]

Some of y'all need to realize it's pointless debating certain people about boxing. Time after time they expose that they don't know SHIT about boxing. Why waste time presenting logical arguments backed by sources just for them to skate around the topic. These people have exposed themselves as clowns and their opinions should be ignored. Y'all stop wasting y'all time with them fools.

 

[Alaskanredman]

See Post #209

Dude is so good at misdirection, ducking and playing you think he was employee of the month at Top Rank.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Some of y'all need to realize it's pointless debating certain people about boxing. Time after time they expose that they don't know SHIT about boxing. Why waste time presenting logical arguments backed by sources just for them to skate around the topic. These people have exposed themselves as clowns and their opinions should be ignored. Y'all stop wasting y'all time with them fools.

I like to watch fools dance. I'm holding court and I need a jester.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Some of y'all need to realize it's pointless debating certain people about boxing. Time after time they expose that they don't know SHIT about boxing. Why waste time presenting logical arguments backed by sources just for them to skate around the topic. These people have exposed themselves as clowns and their opinions should be ignored. Y'all stop wasting y'all time with them fools.

Some of y'all need to relax and realize you are on the internet and nothing is serious on it.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Some of y'all need to relax and realize you are on the internet and nothing is serious on it.

The final tactic after looking like a buffoon. Still avoiding

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

The final tactic after looking like a buffoon. Still avoiding

lol

 

[Sampson]

The irony is a guy making boxing threads and post about ducking and he, himself ducks any counter points that expose his bullshit.

He has proven himself to be an imbecile time and time again.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

He has proven himself to be an imbecile time and time again.

don't be mad at me cause you guys are gay for PBF. I saying if the two fight. PBF will win. I say he is one of the best defensive fighters I have ever seen. But still I can be critical. I rather that than be gay for some dude. Lol, you act like I think Manny is the GOAT. LMAO, funny ass dudes.

 

[Alaskanredman]

don't be mad at me cause you guys are gay for PBF. I saying if the two fight. PBF will win. I say he is one of the best defensive fighters I have ever seen. But still I can be critical. I rather that than be gay for some dude. Lol, you act like I think Manny is the GOAT. LMAO, funny ass dudes.

The critical points you have made have no merit which has been thrown in your face time and time again but you run from it instead of defending your position or conceding. Still avoiding...

 

[1dcsailor]

The only thing I can do is

 

[1dcsailor]

Yeah man I emphatically agree. If it comes down to just the 50/50 split, Floyd should just take the deal and STFU. He been bickering about the drug testing, that's all that mattered up until Pacman agreed. They should just fight for the even split. Floyd is going to pocket more than him anyway. I don't see what the big deal is. Ego maybe.

To be real If the email thing was real I think Floyd is probably using the higher split as a bargaining tool. Floyd wants Manny to drop that case and I can see him saying drop the case and I'll give you the 50/50 split, but who knows I'm probably reaching with this.

Either way I still think Floyd deserves the bigger split but it is what it is I just hope they stop playing and make the fight before it's too late.

 

[Rick Ronson]

Fuck Manny Pacquiao.

He will be dead broke within 5 years after retirement.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Its easy to tell another nigga what to do with his money...again, how much of his own money is each fighter putting into making it happen?

Hold up...this nigga (Floyd) wants the fight. He's said so over and over again. Hell, he's even gone as far as to make unsubstantiated claims about PEDs to shit on a man's reputation, bullshit nigga calling him out shit, etc.....CLEARLY he MUST WANT whatever money he's going to earn by fighting Manny. CLEARLY he can make more money fighting Manny than all these other chumps. The question remains....WHY hasn't he agreed to simply fight the muthafucka? There's always some REASON..he needs to be tested. He needs to fight on May 5th...NIGGA PLEASE...if there's over $100 million on the table and you can earn over $50MM why are you acting like a stone cold bitch? Make the fight, beat the dude and go to the bank.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

When Will Pacquiao and Mayweather Fight?
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/01/22/when-will-manny-pacquiao-and-floyd-mayweather-fight/
AP
Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather spoke by phone last week about a potential fight.
By Gordon Marino

A matchup between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao is surely a contender for the longest percolating bout in fistic history. Many boxing scribes believed that Mayweather was too enamored of his undefeated record to risk a ring meeting with Pacman. But Mayweather’s confidence apparently received a boost from Pacquiao’s less-than-stellar performances in his last two fights against Shane Mosley and Juan Manuel Marquez, since Mayweather began agitating for a bout not long afterward.

“Money” Mayweather recently took to his Twitter account to jab Pacquiao and call him out for a fight on May 5 in Las Vegas. Not long ago, Mayweather started calling Michael Koncz, Pacquiao’s adviser. Last week, Koncz handed the phone to Pacquiao, and the two boxers vying for the title of best pound-for-pound pugilist in the world enjoyed a private conversation.

Pacquiao told Mayweather that he wanted to make the fight and would be content with a 50-50 split of revenues. “No, that can’t happen,” Mayweather told ESPN he countered. “But what can happen is you can make more money fighting me than you have made in your career.”

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum fumed at the offer.

“Mayweather and his people are completely irrational,” Arum said Friday. “Pacquiao has the highest gates, highest pay-per-view numbers, brings in more high rollers to Vegas, and he is supposed to take less than 50%? Never.”

Arum explained another reason, in addition to compensation, why the fight won’t happen per Mayweather’s demands. “May 5 is impossible,” he said. “We couldn’t get the right cable arrangements by then, or complete the outdoor stadium we are building with a temporary seating capacity of around 45,000. We would lose 30 to 40 million dollars of revenue, and that’s crazy.”

Arum said two other dates could work: May 26 and June 9. Mayweather is due to begin his 87-day jail sentence on June 1, but Arum was confident that Mayweather’s legal team could make a successful plea for a short delay in his reporting date.

In the meantime, Team Pacquiao is plowing ahead, considering other possible opponents for a June fight. The short list includes Timothy Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Lamont Peterson and a rematch with Marquez.

Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach has indicated that he thinks it might be hard to work out the details for this contest by May, but he fervently hopes the mega fight will take place in November 2012. In an interview with ESPN, Roach moaned, “It’s ridiculous that two grown men can’t do business together. It’s like they both want to take their ball and go home. They just need to drop the issues they have with each other and negotiate.”

But Pacquiao and Mayweather are two grown men who have talked for years about how much they love to please their fans. If there is any truth to these words, one of these future Hall-of-Famers has to step up and do whatever is necessary to make this fight a reality.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Hold up...this nigga (Floyd) wants the fight. He's said so over and over again. Hell, he's even gone as far as to make unsubstantiated claims about PEDs to shit on a man's reputation, bullshit nigga calling him out shit, etc.....CLEARLY he MUST WANT whatever money he's going to earn by fighting Manny. CLEARLY he can make more money fighting Manny than all these other chumps. The question remains....WHY hasn't he agreed to simply fight the muthafucka? There's always some REASON..he needs to be tested. He needs to fight on May 5th...NIGGA PLEASE...if there's over $100 million on the table and you can earn over $50MM why are you acting like a stone cold bitch? Make the fight, beat the dude and go to the bank.

Buk-lite

 

[Zeferino]

Yeah, I felt Hatton had a shot. He was fighting at his proper weight. He had no excuse and was still the number 1 140 pound fighter. Antonio had him with his huge size advantage, and Oscar chose the weight. He still should have been able to compete but killed himself to make the fight. Cotto signed the contract. I still thought he would have been competitive. Juan is still a damn good if not great fighter. He proved it in in the lost. He is the thing with the weight issues. Catchweights have always been apart of boxing. If a fighter doesn't think they can compete then they should fight at that weight. Hatton was stupid as hell to fight PBF at 147. But he signed the contract and got beat. That boxing for you. Hatton and Oscar were the only fights since Chico PBF had that should have been competitive. But he proved he was better in the ring. I like to see him do that with Sergio, but I swear I hope it isn't with Sergio trying to make 150. That is a recipe for disaster.

I didn't think Hatton had a shot at all because he's too frontal and also because I don't believe Mayweather Sr is that great of a trainer to make a difference on someone like Hatton. People were getting all horny off of those 24/7 clips of Hatton doing the fancy padwork but it was all in vain. I only gave Pacquiao credit because at least he fought Hatton at Hatton's best weight historically and also lit him up spectacularly.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I didn't think Hatton had a shot at all because he's too frontal and also because I don't believe Mayweather Sr is that great of a trainer to make a difference on someone like Hatton. People were getting all horny off of those 24/7 clips of Hatton doing the fancy padwork but it was all in vain. I only gave Pacquiao credit because at least he fought Hatton at Hatton's best weight historically and also lit him up spectacularly.

Hatton was exposed as not ready for prime time after face PBF and Manny. Hatton's style was tailored made for Manny. Now if I remember correctly Sr. was Hatton's trainer for that fight. Which probably adds to his hatred toward Manny. That of course is if I'm right. I could be reaching but fuck it. Why not just jump out there?

 

[Zeferino]

Hatton was exposed as not ready for prime time after face PBF and Manny. Hatton's style was tailored made for Manny. Now if I remember correctly Sr. was Hatton's trainer for that fight. Which probably adds to his hatred toward Manny. That of course is if I'm right. I could be reaching but fuck it. Why not just jump out there?

It definitely adds to the hatred. Mayweather Sr got his ego fucked up in that fight and I think it was around that time he initiated the PED nonsense. It was either that fight or the Cotto fight.

 

[Ninja05]

Lets be real...Hatton had no fucking head movement. Steward was screaming this shit the entire two rounds. Manny literally wound up and destroyed that dude with a left cause Hatton was going to block or move his head for shit.

If you go straight forward on Manny you are going to get fucked up. Period. If Floyd just walks in there he is getting knocked out just like Hatton. However, name one fighter other than Clottey that had defense? One fighter...Marquez. From Diaz to Margarito (how many times did Cotto hit him in the first fight???) to Cotto (how many times did Margo hit him in the first fight???) to Shane Mosley (see all shane mosley fights) t0 Hatton (see Floyd catching him with straight right after check hook all night).

Hatton got exposed by Floyd Mayweather. He was getting his ass absolutely beat to shit in the 8, 9 and 10th rounds. That was a prolonged ass whipping to the highest power.

Hatton was the shit remember..He beat Katsa and Castillo with a body shot. He was a formidable opponent and everyone thought he had the pressure tactics to beat Floyd (aka the "Castillo").

oh by the way..Hatton was bigger than Floyd. Hatton walks around at 170 and drains himself for fights. So 147 or 140 he is fucking up his body for every fight to get down there.

Y'all saying Manny was untouchable "then" is hilarious. You were just watching a fighter continuing to get served fastballs right down the plate. Throw this ninja a curve and ....we will see once again on May 5th

 

[Zeferino]

Lets be real...Hatton had no fucking head movement. Steward was screaming this shit the entire two rounds. Manny literally wound up and destroyed that dude with a left cause Hatton was going to block or move his head for shit.

If you go straight forward on Manny you are going to get fucked up. Period. If Floyd just walks in there he is getting knocked out just like Hatton. However, name one fighter other than Clottey that had defense? One fighter...Marquez. From Diaz to Margarito (how many times did Cotto hit him in the first fight???) to Cotto (how many times did Margo hit him in the first fight???) to Shane Mosley (see all shane mosley fights) t0 Hatton (see Floyd catching him with straight right after check hook all night).

Hatton got exposed by Floyd Mayweather. He was getting his ass absolutely beat to shit in the 8, 9 and 10th rounds. That was a prolonged ass whipping to the highest power.

Hatton was the shit remember..He beat Katsa and Castillo with a body shot. He was a formidable opponent and everyone thought he had the pressure tactics to beat Floyd (aka the "Castillo").

oh by the way..Hatton was bigger than Floyd. Hatton walks around at 170 and drains himself for fights. So 147 or 140 he is fucking up his body for every fight to get down there.

Y'all saying Manny was untouchable "then" is hilarious. You were just watching a fighter continuing to get served fastballs right down the plate. Throw this ninja a curve and ....we will see once again on May 5th

And you can't say the same thing for Floyd?

 

[Ninja05]

And you can't say the same thing for Floyd?

um...nope. Remember - everyone keeps saying the blueprint to beat Floyd is pressure. Oscar tried to push him against the ropes (remember the sustained body punching??) Hatton was the ultimate pressure fighter/bully that just grabbed and punched on the inside. The same with the last fighter he fought Victor. All tried to bully Floyd. Thats supposed to be his weakness and they were going to exploit his "soft punches". Hell - Victor was supposed to be the Southpaw that Floyd had trouble with. The bigger, younger, stronger southpaw that rushes him. That was the recipe to defeat Floyd remember...

 

[Rick Ronson]

Fuck him up and send him home with 30%.

Winner take all even.