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[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I see what you're thinking..but one reason that is many years away is that MMA is still an expensive ass sport and to get the dudes from the ghetto will be a tougher task. That shit ain't gonna just pop up in the hood because there is no money in the hood. Jones has the color to attract attention, but if you hear him talk it will be a turn off to certain types. Blacks may dominate, but it will be more of the same like Jones. College wrestlers coming into MMA. Most boxers are not the college type if you know the history of it. I train MMA, black dudes have been showing up since Jones got popular, but they come and they go once they get in there and get rode on and choked by a big musty white dude for two hours.

The superior athletes are in the hood. It just has to catch on.

All our true MMA gyms are in white areas. We just need more black faces opening up in the black areas. It doesn't help that wrestling season is during basketball season.

It will take time, but it will happen.

Damn....come on rappers.....put Jones name out there. I want a complete takeover of the sport.

 

[richlove]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

The superior athletes are in the hood. It just has to catch on.

All our true MMA gyms are in white areas. We just need more black faces opening up in the black areas. It doesn't help that wrestling season is during basketball season.

It will take time, but it will happen.

Damn....come on rappers.....put Jones name out there. I want a complete takeover of the sport.

good luck with that..People from the hood look up to rappers first because they are getting money and don't have real jobs..the hood respects money..that low ass pay compared to boxing, basketball, etc will be another hurdle for MMA.

 

[mallorquin]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

The superior athletes are in the hood. It just has to catch on.

All our true MMA gyms are in white areas. We just need more black faces opening up in the black areas. It doesn't help that wrestling season is during basketball season.

It will take time, but it will happen.

Damn....come on rappers.....put Jones name out there. I want a complete takeover of the sport.

What about the gyms in other countries like Brazil, those aren't in the hood? Only a few of the gyms I have trained at have been in "White Areas". And I have trained in San Diego, Los Angeles and Atlanta.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I've had the opposite experience. I go out to BW3 and the place is packed. I have been with chicks who have never seen a MMA fight and when they see it they are like ...." Where they do that at?"

MMA is still new. Folks that will truly turn the tide are still in grade school. Watching boxing to me is like watching a wrestling match or a BJJ match. It just seems so limited.

I see your point but the newness of boxing is what makes that prediction seem a little too premature.

Take Brock Lesnar for example. Or Kimbo Slice. Right now MMA and UFC have the ability to create stars when they have little or no MMA experience. Even now being one of the biggest stars in MMA ever and he's only had 8 fights

A boxer would just be fighting in matches past 4 rounds at that point.

Boxing can't create a star, boxing can't create a dominate force, they just have to wait for one to emerge or give the possibility of becoming one.

Right now MMA can do that. In the future, as more people train and become better at MMA that won't be possible.

In addition right now UFC runs shit. They are the king snake. As time goes on I doubt the system will be like this and in fact its probably going to be just like boxing (individual promoters signing fighters themselves and putting on their own events).

Right now MMA can dictate to a fighter who they fight and when they fight. Boxing can't do that. Boxers and promoters can pick and choose who to fight based on what benefits them. Sometimes this if fine but a lot of the times it creates red tape and problems (i.e. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao having difficulty getting made).

At some point MMA is going to have these same issues so this belief that its just on a course to take over and nothing can stop it is naive IMO.

I feel you

a 6'5 250 lb man does not want to get hit in the face...they are other sports money can be made ...look at all the legendary Heavy weights all fucked up from Boxing...

the youth see that & they turn to Basketball or Football...

imagine Bron, Julius Peppers, Cam Newton as boxers...the sport will never be America's top sport again...

its far more dangerous than MMA...you are force to trade with no options like MMA...which means continuous punching to the head

Boxing is part of American History literally...thats why cats need to chill bashing the sport...

even B-Hop & the Mayweathers have been training MMA fighters...everyone have changed their view...they can both be sucessful....

This^^^

The only thing I would disagree with a little is that I think MMA is more brutal overall because of the damage it does to your whole body which it seems is completely unavoidable. For example in MMA if somebody kicks you and you block it you still got kicked, maybe not in the face or body but it landed somewhere with extreme force. And those kicks in the long run I assume are not only damaging for the person receiving but also the person who's doing the kicking.

In boxing you can protect yourself more and prevent a lot of damage if you learn the sport properly.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

No disrespect but this post is complete bullshit.

MMA fighters learn boxing true but how much of their time is spent on boxing, maybe a quarter of their training if that?

Also boxers, particularly the great ones, study boxing generally from the ages of 5-10 and do it regularly. You can't do that in MMA its impossible since you have so much other shit to learn.

The boxing thats used and utilized in the MMA is completely different than what world class boxers use. The boxing I see in MMA by the top guys would get them their asses handed to them by mid card boxing guys. To become a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones you have to learn and train at boxing exclusively almost daily to reach that level. IF your training at MMA you can't do that.

As far as what a 14 should choose it depends. If your speaking regular guys like you and I who aren't either sports as professionals and may just be looking to learn self defense then I would absolutely agree that MMA is the way to go as its the closest to a street fight you can get in an organized safe setting.

However if we're speaking in terms of pursuing a profession I would disagree. Boxers can make far more money, and eventually have far more control over their careers, with much less damage to their body than MMA cats can.

Think about this: by most accounts boxing is in somewhat of a rut, most all people would agree with this. Hell Light Heavy to Heavyweight is virtually non-existent right now. Yet even at this moment boxing makes more money all together than MMA does and boxers with fame make way more money than their MMA peers. All of this while MMA is receiving maximum exposure and is riding a high. So imaging if boxing were to go through a boom period (which it will at some point).

Fighters like Amir Khan who is only somewhat known and famous make more than their MMA counterparts who are more famous and fight more often. So as far as career I would give boxing the advantage at this point.

In the future who knows.

As far as your last statement that boxing gyms are going to be filled with guys who couldn't cut it in MMA the exact opposite is true right now. If an MMA guy could make it in boxing there is no way he'd be taking less money, have less control of his career, have to take more physical damage, and have to fight way more often if he could cut it in boxing and make way more if he makes it.

Of course the boxing used by MMA is different. You have to train like you are actually in a real fucking fight. Not just a showcase of one aspect of a fight.

What happened when Toney went against Randy? Toney is a great boxer. A bad ass. He got owned. Boxing is PART of MMA. Other arts are not part of boxing. A boxer is at a severe disadvantage against an MMA opponent -- all things being equal.

The money will come. MMA has to grow. I originally training boxing coming up, so I have much respect for the sport. A boxer doesn't know how incomplete a fighter he is until he steps foot into an MMA gym. Same can be said of a wrestler.

 

[alexw]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Of course the boxing used by MMA is different. You have to train like you are actually in a real fucking fight. Not just a showcase of one aspect of a fight.

What happened when Toney went against Randy? Toney is a great boxer. A bad ass. He got owned. Boxing is PART of MMA. Other arts are not part of boxing. A boxer is at a severe disadvantage against an MMA opponent -- all things being equal.

The money will come. MMA has to grow. I originally training boxing coming up, so I have much respect for the sport. A boxer doesn't know how incomplete a fighter he is until he steps foot into an MMA gym. Same can be said of a wrestler.

james toney is a horrible analogy

he didnt have any mma skills

if you put randy in a boxing ring that same thing wouldve happened to him

and you see, randy went straight to the shoot...he was trying to stand with dude

hell he wasnt even trying to feel him out like im most mma fights

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

good luck with that..People from the hood look up to rappers first because they are getting money and don't have real jobs..the hood respects money..that low ass pay compared to boxing, basketball, etc will be another hurdle for MMA.

Didn't Bones just post a pic with a Bentley or some shit? One can hope he will show up somewhere talking shit.... I can hope he keeps dominating folks and starts acting like Mayweather.....

What about the gyms in other countries like Brazil, those aren't in the hood? Only a few of the gyms I have trained at have been in "White Areas". And I have trained in San Diego, Los Angeles and Atlanta.

I mean up here in NE Ohio. I can only speak for America. If some of our athletes put time in MMA up here, we would dominate.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

honestly Boxing takes much more skill to master because your so limited...its a much more difficult sport...less options...you have a small window to attack...you must stand & trade at all times....sweet science for real

its much more dangerous...Boxers not only take punishment in the ring but sparring regularly...

MMA is great...I've been watching since Pride...I've been into the sport for a long time...

Of course the boxing used by MMA is different. You have to train like you are actually in a real fucking fight. Not just a showcase of one aspect of a fight.

What happened when Toney went against Randy? Toney is a great boxer. A bad ass. He got owned. Boxing is PART of MMA. Other arts are not part of boxing. A boxer is at a severe disadvantage against an MMA opponent -- all things being equal.

The money will come. MMA has to grow. I originally training boxing coming up, so I have much respect for the sport. A boxer doesn't know how incomplete a fighter he is until he steps foot into an MMA gym. Same can be said of a wrestler.

Thats the part that is bullshit about your argument though as I see it.

If your going to compare the boxing skills of each then you have to really examine it. The MMA boxing skills, even with most of the elite MMA fighters, is amateurish at best when compared to an actual boxer.

Thats not a knock on MMA fighters but you can't become a great boxer while also trying to master BJJ, grappling, Muy thai (spelling?) or what ever else they try to learn.

In fact the truth of it, as I see it, is you can only become either great at one and so-so at the others or be average at all that you try to learn because you can't master three different things at once.

As I see MMA for the most part its guys who are average at 2-3 fighting sports and when combined can make for a very entertaining fight.

I say that to say this: boxing, that is the boxing that Floyd, Bernard, Roy, Tyson, etc. utilize isn't a part of MMA. No fighter in MMA has even a quarter of the skill of these boxing champions. MMA fighters have some boxing skill and it looks great in MMA, but when compared to actual professional boxing its very amateurish.

So just like Toney got his food ate against Randy, the same would be true in reverse. James Toney would beat Randy to a pulp in the boxing ring.

Randy beating Toney in and MMA ring doesn't prove MMA's superiority as a sport and a world class champion boxer beating an MMA guy wouldn't prove boxing to be a superior sport. They are two completely different things so which is better is all a matter of opinion.

Just like most boxers couldn't cut in MMA, most MMA guys couldn't cut it in professional boxing (and I bet a lot have tried). Do you really think anyone with the boxing skills of an elite boxer would actually choose to fight in MMA for far less money?

Now again if we are talking regular cats and not professionals I agree its better to learn MMA if your only goal is self defense.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I see your point but the newness of boxing is what makes that prediction seem a little too premature.

Take Brock Lesnar for example. Or Kimbo Slice. Right now MMA and UFC have the ability to create stars when they have little or no MMA experience. Even now being one of the biggest stars in MMA ever and he's only had 8 fights

A boxer would just be fighting in matches past 4 rounds at that point.

Boxing can't create a star, boxing can't create a dominate force, they just have to wait for one to emerge or give the possibility of becoming one.

Right now MMA can do that. In the future, as more people train and become better at MMA that won't be possible.

In addition right now UFC runs shit. They are the king snake. As time goes on I doubt the system will be like this and in fact its probably going to be just like boxing (individual promoters signing fighters themselves and putting on their own events).

Right now MMA can dictate to a fighter who they fight and when they fight. Boxing can't do that. Boxers and promoters can pick and choose who to fight based on what benefits them. Sometimes this if fine but a lot of the times it creates red tape and problems (i.e. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao having difficulty getting made).

At some point MMA is going to have these same issues so this belief that its just on a course to take over and nothing can stop it is naive IMO.

I get your point. As MMA grows, things change. But I do see more people doing MMA in the future. Up until recently, it was seen as a white sport in America. Some still think the grappling is gay. There are hurdles. But once those hurdles are behind people, the sport will be king of combat sports.

MMA already had issues with Fedor. We wanted a Fedor fight in UFC for years. It was some Manny/May shit. Never happened.

My argument is what the NFL and NBA did to boxing in America, MMA will finish off. It will take the talent from the lighter weight classes. The true boxing cruiserweight and heavyweight champion of the world probably is playing in the NBA or NFL. In 10-20 years, boxing will be able to say the same thing about other weight classes.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Thats the part that is bullshit about your argument though as I see it.

If your going to compare the boxing skills of each then you have to really examine it. The MMA boxing skills, even with most of the elite MMA fighters, is amateurish at best when compared to an actual boxer.

Thats not a knock on MMA fighters but you can't become a great boxer while also trying to master BJJ, grappling, Muy thai (spelling?) or what ever else they try to learn.

In fact the truth of it, as I see it, is you can only become either great at one and so-so at the others or be average at all that you try to learn because you can't master three different things at once.

As I see MMA for the most part its guys who are average at 2-3 fighting sports and when combined can make for a very entertaining fight.

I say that to say this: boxing, that is the boxing that Floyd, Bernard, Roy, Tyson, etc. utilize isn't a part of MMA. No fighter in MMA has even a quarter of the skill of these boxing champions. MMA fighters have some boxing skill and it looks great in MMA, but when compared to actual professional boxing its very amateurish.

So just like Toney got his food ate against Randy, the same would be true in reverse. James Toney would beat Randy to a pulp in the boxing ring.

Randy beating Toney in and MMA ring doesn't prove MMA's superiority as a sport and a world class champion boxer beating an MMA guy wouldn't prove boxing to be a superior sport. They are two completely different things so which is better is all a matter of opinion.

Just like most boxers couldn't cut in MMA, most MMA guys couldn't cut it in professional boxing (and I bet a lot have tried). Do you really think anyone with the boxing skills of an elite boxer would actually choose to fight in MMA for far less money?

Now again if we are talking regular cats and not professionals I agree its better to learn MMA if your only goal is self defense.

I never said an MMA cat could compete with a boxer in a boxing ring. That is like saying an MMA cat could compete with a world champion wrestler on the mat.

But in a fight, the MMA fighter will more than likely beat both the wrestler and the boxer. MMA is the closest thing to a real fight.

If Toney was fighting Couture in a real NHB fight and you had to bet your soul, a person would have to be batshit to bet on Toney. All things being equal(champion at weight class), a MMA fighter will more than likely beat a boxer and/or wrestler in a real NHB fight.

Can't lie though. Money is what turned me off from MMA back in the day. I still train. But years ago I really wanted to compete. The physical risk wasn't worth it to me. But if back then was now, I would take a shot. Too old now.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I get your point. As MMA grows, things change. But I do see more people doing MMA in the future. Up until recently, it was seen as a white sport in America. Some still think the grappling is gay. There are hurdles. But once those hurdles are behind people, the sport will be king of combat sports.

MMA already had issues with Fedor. We wanted a Fedor fight in UFC for years. It was some Manny/May shit. Never happened.

My argument is what the NFL and NBA did to boxing in America, MMA will finish off. It will take the talent from the lighter weight classes. The true boxing cruiserweight and heavyweight champion of the world probably is playing in the NBA or NFL. In 10-20 years, boxing will be able to say the same thing about other weight classes.

I agree some what.

I think the issues MMA has now they will always have. Take me for example, I like it in moderation but the grappling kills it for me most times. Unless its a master at the shit it just kills the momentum for me. I do see the sport getting bigger in the future however, but not much bigger than it is now when the corruption, rivalries and ego's really become a problem like it is in boxing now.

The thing is the people who fled boxing for the NBA and NFL are the same who would avoid/flee MMA also so I don't see MMA taking fighters from boxing unless the purses get way bigger which is far off.

The NFL and NBA took athletes from boxing because they were easier sports, guaranteed paychecks if you make it, much more exposure and much more endorsement money.

If your in the NBA your on TV for something like 8 months out the year, several times per week. The NFL, your potentially in the spotlight for close to 6 months and longer including the playoffs, on television once a week and getting paid weekly. Add in the possibility of the biggest sporting event ever in the Super Bowl and playoff money and there is not competition.

Add in the possibility of ridiculous endorsements (think Lebron James 90 million Adidas contract before he even played in the NBA) and its really a wrap.

MMA will have that same problem. Nobody would choose to get kicked, punched, slammed and elbowed in the MMA or get continually hit in boxing when you can catch or throw a ball in the NFL or run the court and dunk in the NBA for far more money and far less punishment.

 

[BIGGSARGE]

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[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

honestly Boxing takes much more skill to master because your so limited...its a much more difficult sport...less options...you have a small window to attack...you must stand & trade at all times....sweet science for real

its much more dangerous...Boxers not only take punishment in the ring but sparring regularly...

MMA is great...I've been watching since Pride...I've been into the sport for a long time...

Shit. My arm still hurts from an armbar in 98 that I didn't tap out quick enough to.

Just curious, do you train MMA? Because when we "spar" in MMA you take punishment.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I never said an MMA cat could compete with a boxer in a boxing ring. That is like saying an MMA cat could compete with a world champion wrestler on the mat.

But in a fight, the MMA fighter will more than likely beat both the wrestler and the boxer. MMA is the closest thing to a real fight.

If Toney was fighting Couture in a real NHB fight and you had to bet your soul, a person would have to be batshit to bet on Toney. All things being equal(champion at weight class), a MMA fighter will more than likely beat a boxer and/or wrestler in a real NHB fight.

Can't lie though. Money is what turned me off from MMA back in the day. I still train. But years ago I really wanted to compete. The physical risk wasn't worth it to me. But if back then was now, I would take a shot. Too old now.

I was speaking to your using the example of Randy vs. Toney to demonstrate that MMA is a superior sport. That I don't agree with.

I would agree that MMA training and fighting is much better for street fighting and yes I would pick a trained MMA figher over a boxer in a no holds barred street fight all day so we agree on that.

Its unfortunate that those guys don't get paid more for what they go through and its fucked up you missed your window. I really feel for the guys who did compete when the sport first started to catch on but didn't get the type of compensation they should have. It reminds me of old school legendary rappers who had so much influence and sold so many records but still ended up broke while the generations after them cashed in big.

Whenever it becomes about individual promoters as opposed to one conglomerate like the UFC that will change. However that will be a gift and a curse because as with boxing that will also be what makes it more difficult to make competitive fights.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Shit. My arm still hurts from an armbar in 98 that I didn't tap out quick enough to.

Just curious, do you train MMA? Because when we "spar" in MMA you take punishment.

Let me ask you in your training in MMA how much punishment does your body take?

I ask because I've thought of taking up MMA but I don't to fuck up my knees, legs and bones just for a hobby. Its some shit I've thought about and would like to learn but not if it means damage that could cause me problems as I age, that would almost defeat the purpose.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I agree some what.

I think the issues MMA has now they will always have. Take me for example, I like it in moderation but the grappling kills it for me most times. Unless its a master at the shit it just kills the momentum for me. I do see the sport getting bigger in the future however, but not much bigger than it is now when the corruption, rivalries and ego's really become a problem like it is in boxing now.

The thing is the people who fled boxing for the NBA and NFL are the same who would avoid/flee MMA also so I don't see MMA taking fighters from boxing unless the purses get way bigger which is far off.

The NFL and NBA took athletes from boxing because they were easier sports, guaranteed paychecks if you make it, much more exposure and much more endorsement money.

If your in the NBA your on TV for something like 8 months out the year, several times per week. The NFL, your potentially in the spotlight for close to 6 months and longer including the playoffs, on television once a week and getting paid weekly. Add in the possibility of the biggest sporting event ever in the Super Bowl and playoff money and there is not competition.

Add in the possibility of ridiculous endorsements (think Lebron James 90 million Adidas contract before he even played in the NBA) and its really a wrap.

MMA will have that same problem. Nobody would choose to get kicked, punched, slammed and elbowed in the MMA or get continually hit in boxing when you can catch or throw a ball in the NFL or run the court and dunk in the NBA for far more money and far less punishment.

I agree. But why not take the superior art? It will eventually come down to which combat art has the baddest fighters in it. MMA will win. The money will come. Once the money comes, the only boxing people will want to do will be part of MMA training.

Put it like this: If you took all the boxers and MMA fighters and had a tournament in June for NHB fighting. The winner of each weight class takes home $100 million. MMA fighters are probably taking 90 percent of the fights.

You don't like grappling. Most causal fight fans don't. I love grappling. Just like boxing is a sweet science, so is grappling. I have so much respect for striking and grappling. But grappling to most is boring, so the UFC has toned it down. But true MMA fans look at that mess on the mat and are thinking about what is being done and what should be done.

Boxing and MMA will have to compete for the same limited talent pool(since you can get a college scholarship for wrestling, I think MMA will win). You can at least sell the dream of college. With boxing the gamble is big.

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I agree. But why not take the superior art? It will eventually come down to which combat art has the baddest fighters in it. MMA will win. The money will come. Once the money comes, the only boxing people will want to do will be part of MMA training.

Put it like this: If you took all the boxers and MMA fighters and had a tournament in June for NHB fighting. The winner of each weight class takes home $100 million. MMA fighters are probably taking 90 percent of the fights.

You don't like grappling. Most causal fight fans don't. I love grappling. Just like boxing is a sweet science, so is grappling. I have so much respect for striking and grappling. But grappling to most is boring, so the UFC has toned it down. But true MMA fans look at that mess on the mat and are thinking about what is being done and what should be done.

Boxing and MMA will have to compete for the same limited talent pool(since you can get a college scholarship for wrestling, I think MMA will win). You can at least sell the dream of college. With boxing the gamble is big.

I don't agree but I see your point.

I don't think its going to come down to a vs. thing though. I think both will continue to remain and prosper it will just be a question of which is bigger and dominate.

Boxing is now but its not impossible that MMA will be in the future.

As far as grappling I think that will always be MMA's Achilles hill with a lot of fans including me. Wrestling just isn't entertaining to most and it takes a special fighter to make it look entertaining.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Let me ask you in your training in MMA how much punishment does your body take?

I ask because I've thought of taking up MMA but I don't to fuck up my knees, legs and bones just for a hobby. Its some shit I've thought about and would like to learn but not if it means damage that could cause me problems as I age, that would almost defeat the purpose.

Depends on how serious you train.

You will be grappling and striking. You will want to test your skills out rolling and sparring. Don't let your ego get in the way and you will be fine.

You will learn how the move feels when you are taught a move. For instance, to learn a rear naked choke, you will be placed in a rear naked choke. You will train with people at your skill level. Remember when you should tap and you will be okay. I was hardheaded as a youngin'

Grappling can leave every muscle in your body exhausted.

 

[gene cisco]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I don't agree but I see your point.

I don't think its going to come down to a vs. thing though. I think both will continue to remain and prosper it will just be a question of which is bigger and dominate.

Boxing is now but its not impossible that MMA will be in the future.

As far as grappling I think that will always be MMA's Achilles hill with a lot of fans including me. Wrestling just isn't entertaining to most and it takes a special fighter to make it look entertaining.

Once you take up your new "hobby" of mma training, you will understand the grappling. What looks like a hot, boring mess, will have you saying.... " He's giving up his arm!!!" while your friends are like ..."The fuck got into him?"

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Depends on how serious you train.

You will be grappling and striking. You will want to test your skills out rolling and sparring. Don't let your ego get in the way and you will be fine.

You will learn how the move feels when you are taught a move. For instance, to learn a rear naked choke, you will be placed in a rear naked choke. You will train with people at your skill level. Remember when you should tap and you will be okay. I was hardheaded as a youngin'

Grappling can leave every muscle in your body exhausted.

No doubt I have no problem with grappling and as far as the gay shit I don't have that issue so learning that wouldn't be a problem.

I was asking more about the striking, specifically kicking. When I see someone kick another individuals leg all I can think of his how much potential damage can be done to the knees, shins, etc of not only the person receiving the kick but the one delivering it.

Once you take up your new "hobby" of mma training, you will understand the grappling. What looks like a hot, boring mess, will have you saying.... " He's giving up his arm!!!" while your friends are like ..."The fuck got into him?"

I actually picked up on that pretty quick in watching MMA even as little as I have. I totally get it I just can only take watching it in moderation. I don't mind wrestling when its only a part of the round and their is action in it, but more often than not it seems it never actually goes anywhere and they end up on the ground for the better part of 5 minutes.

 

[duppy_maka]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Brock showed the heart of a pink chihuahua in the fight.
Dos Santos is going to run right through Overreem.

I can see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and dropping Overreem in the first 30 seconds of the fight.

 

[coldcrust]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Brock showed the heart of a pink chihuahua in the fight.
Dos Santos is going to run right through Overreem.

I can see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and dropping Overreem in the first 30 seconds of the fight.

Not gonna happen

 

[vandamation]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Brock showed the heart of a pink chihuahua in the fight.
Dos Santos is going to run right through Overreem.

I can see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and dropping Overreem in the first 30 seconds of the fight.

I wouldn't question Brock's heart... Due to the fact that dude has a serious illness which is a weakness... and Overeem exploited it... Overeem is the best striker in the game... I don't know if ANYBODY could withstand a kick like that... Especially if that person on the receiving end had a major abdominal surgery...

Now as far as Dos Santos goes... That's a toss up in my book... It's all about who catches who... If Overeem catches him good... It's lights out... If Junior catches Overeem... it's LIGHTS OUT... Who knows???

 

[duppy_maka]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

I wouldn't question Brock's heart... Due to the fact that dude has a serious illness which is a weakness... and Overeem exploited it... Overeem is the best striker in the game... I don't know if ANYBODY could withstand a kick like that... Especially if that person on the receiving end had a major abdominal surgery...

Now as far as Dos Santos goes... That's a toss up in my book... It's all about who catches who... If Overeem catches him good... It's lights out... If Junior catches Overeem... it's LIGHTS OUT... Who knows???

if Brock wasn't fully healed from the surgery, why take the fight? people pay good money to watch these guys fight.
no excuse for him giving up so quickly.

after watching the fight, I'm not impressed by Overeem's hands one bit. I can truly see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and ending the fight quickly.

 

[sumofyallniggasisbitches2]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Uhhh...what do you mean by that. I try to get people to watch MMA..as soon as a couple of chicks I know see the blood on the mat from the previous match they are grossed out. Shit I know a dude that loves boxing more than anybody on this board and probably in the history of the world..a real boxing fan, geek,..and he actually told me MMA is too brutal. Trust me..knees to the face and broken bones like Mir just gave to Nog are too much for some.

You and I must talk to the same guy, because this describes a brotha I work with perfectly. We talk about boxing and MMA all the time, but everytime I mention him checking out the next PPV, he tells me he can't take it cause it's too violent.

 

[PhilipGraves]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

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[spider705]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Why the hell would a young person take up boxing when they can take up MMA? MMA is superior. Boxing is now where you go when you can't cut it in MMA.

No disrespect but this post is complete bullshit.

THANK YOU! I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO SAW THAT SHIT! IS HE SERIOUS?? fanboy-ism at its finest!

outlaw your post couldn't be more on point. if you take someone and train them at one sport and ONE SPORT ONLY, they will be far more superior in that ONE SPORT than someone who dabbles in it from time to time. true, toney got his ass handed to him by randy, but put them gloves on in a squared circle and see what happens. i bet you randy will get his ass MURDERED!

(and to be honest, it would have been cool if toney had worked that into his contract somehow. i step in the octagon fighting under your rules, you step in the ring and fight under mine.)

i'm a fight fan. i watch everything, k-1, dream, strikeforce, boxing, EVERYTHING. I have friends who are professional fighters, 7th dan black belts in taekwondo, hapkido, boxers, muy thai kick boxers, etc. and they all will tell you the importance of striking! a superior striker will beat a superior grappler more times than not if, and that's a BIG IF, the fight stays on two feet then . if that boxer gets taken down or his scramble ain't on point, then he's in for a long night. it seems with proper training you could learn to defend a takedown, how to scramble and not give up your back, arm, leg, etc....but years and YEARS of focus on solely throwing hands, placing punches accurately, proper technique and throwing punches CORRECTLY (which a LOT of MMA fighters DO NOT do) can not be taught in a matter of weeks and can not be taught when you are steady being crammed with other things that have to be learned as well.

i respect BOTH sports and imho neither is superior to the other, point blank period.

 

[kes1111]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

after watching the fight, I'm not impressed by Overeem's hands one bit. I can truly see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and ending the fight quickly.[/QUOTE]

Overeem's all knees and guillotines

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

if Brock wasn't fully healed from the surgery, why take the fight? people pay good money to watch these guys fight.
no excuse for him giving up so quickly.

after watching the fight, I'm not impressed by Overeem's hands one bit. I can truly see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and ending the fight quickly.

That is like asking why Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would go out there and play with an injury. Brock Lesnar loves to fight and loves to put on a show, but he has no one in his corner to tell him what is more important. He almost died twice due to his condition and last night really opened his eyes.

If Brock Lesnar has started training in his 20's and never got sick, we may have seen a different beast. But he just lacked the experience and didn't have many fights despite being in MMA for 3-4 years. I'll never question his heart because he never gave up trying to come back to MMA until he got his ass knocked out. At least he leaves on his own terms and I wish him the best in the future. Brock is one guy who just tells the world how it is. He chased his dreams and that's all you can ever ask of someone.

 

[2211]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Overeem has a couple of problems in his hands, he needs to lose at least 15 pounds of muscle, at least. Once he gets to fight guys like dos santos and cain, the game is simple extend the fight and then go to work on rounds 3, 4, and 5. He is gonna be in a world of hurt.

And the biggest one is his lack of consistency on the ring, you can't fight only once a year and keep your timing and sharpness, btw are these fighters getting tested for ped, just asking

 

[ron_mexico]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

after watching the fight, I'm not impressed by Overeem's hands one bit. I can truly see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and ending the fight quickly.

You cant judge Overeems standup from that fight. He was clearly in a stance that was anticipating the take down. He had so little respect for Brocks striking game he could do that and attack when he had Brock nearing the cage. Which was smart because it was so obvious I think it made Brock a little hesitant about taking his shot.

Now with JDS he wont worry about his take downs and can focus purely on striking. Whole different ballgame.

 

[r3d DaWn]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

You can't question any person that steps into that octagon, Brock just never was the same with that disease, and people should have told him to step away. He thought he was cured, would be back, the beast would come out, etc... You lose 8 inches of colon, have been nearly killed by the disease, twice, have major surgery, and come back and get kicked by one of the best kickboxing fighters out there, I don't know if anyone could have done better. At least he was man enough to say I'm not good anymore, I'm done, goodbye. Who know's what he would have looked like with no disease and training for years, but dude has the rest of his life to lead, and he did prove a point that he could fight, when healthy..

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

Well, Overeem finally proved his HW run is a good one. Even though Brock hasn't been fighting that long or often I thought he'd get to test Overeem's chin again. Congrats to Overeem though, this HW division will most likely not have a solid title holder for a long time though. JDS might lose to Overeem, JDS just seems too one-dimensional and if Cormier keeps improving I see him getting a shot.

wtf was up with Cerrone, he didn't even try to block any punches.​

 

[vandamation]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

if Brock wasn't fully healed from the surgery, why take the fight? people pay good money to watch these guys fight.
no excuse for him giving up so quickly.

after watching the fight, I'm not impressed by Overeem's hands one bit. I can truly see Dos Santos catching him with a uppercut and ending the fight quickly.

I don't care who you are... Let Overeem catch you with one of those kicks or knees to the belly like that... You're gonna feel it... Dos Santos, Velasquez and Shane Carwin are DIFFERENT guys than Brock... I mean, when you think about it, Brock has ONLY had 8 fights in his WHOLE career... Those other guys have seen WAY MORE than Brock and can defend accordingly better than Brock could. That's why Brock is retiring... He knows he can't cut it anymore... And if Dos Santos isn't careful... The same thing will happen as well... Overeem is a BIG man who has some skills... He may not be the best grappler or Jiu-Jitsu guy... BUT he IS the best striker in the heavyweight division...

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Re: [[[[ OFFICIAL UFC 141 hype thread ]]]]] ----- Friday, Dec. 30th - Lesnar / Overe

You can't question any person that steps into that octagon, Brock just never was the same with that disease, and people should have told him to step away. He thought he was cured, would be back, the beast would come out, etc... You lose 8 inches of colon, have been nearly killed by the disease, twice, have major surgery, and come back and get kicked by one of the best kickboxing fighters out there, I don't know if anyone could have done better. At least he was man enough to say I'm not good anymore, I'm done, goodbye. Who know's what he would have looked like with no disease and training for years, but dude has the rest of his life to lead, and he did prove a point that he could fight, when healthy..

I agree with you on giving him his props for steping in the cage, but I think without the desease he was never going to be an elite fighter his mind set is not their. he used his size and attitude to cover up who he really is. Dont get me wrong he would have one a few fights, but the real fighters who arent scared of him will kick his ass. IMO Brock was simiular to Bob Sapp just a little bit more tecqnical.