stop it
For anyone to dispute his potential to be better is blind as hell.... But I do understand you taking offense to this statement...
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For anyone to dispute his potential to be better is blind as hell.... But I do understand you taking offense to this statement...
he took about 27 shots though(maybe more)
he got fouled which doesnt count on the stat line
i see what youre saying....but its worth noting how many shots he really took
stop it
only reason he cant.. ONLY reason is cuz he is a smaller player
No they have the better team but there coach is ass
beat..you're wrong on this
rose had 29 points on 14 shots...
paul had 15 points on 14 shots...
rose is not throwing it to griffin and jordan for oops, paul is.
paul wouldn't have had 23 assists tonight if he was on the bulls. he woulda had 14...like he did.
the clippers are actually more athletic 3-5 than the bulls.
he is a closer
and he is a pass first pg, last year he didnt have a healthy team to pass to.
again..he had more assists tonight, than field goals attempted
29 points, 16 assists and 8 rebounds isn't a nice game
16 points, 14 assists is.
For anyone to dispute his potential to be better is blind as hell.... But I do understand you taking offense to this statement...
fam I'm not taking offense but LBJ consistently avg's 27,7,7.. not only that Drose defense is not making LBJ.. thats why I told you to stop it
James defense sets him apart from everyone else... Wade too.
its too early to say he is ass tho
but he does have a shit load of talent
but this team just needs time to gel and theyre going to be a problem
hell the heat needed time to gel.....
give them time and they should be a nice young squad
are they beating miami??? hell no....but who is this year?
but drose is shoot first...pass when im in trouble
thats how he racked up those assists tonight
his teammates were hot hitting long jumpers
cp3 assists were easy buckets for his crew
man, its feel like im the only person who watched the game in here
It's called being aggressive and playing to his strengths, which is exactly what that team needs, and that is why they are so successful. I laugh at people who try to put people in box, and discredit them when they don't play according to the stereotype you create in your own world.... so yeah, maybe you are the only person who watch the game in here, in the biased way you watched the game. A great player does what his team needs him to do to win, and that's why especially in this game, his style of play was more effective for his team than CP3s was.... His team mates may have been hot and hit their shots, but their shots were a lot more open and easy to hit, because of the triple threat D Rose possesses... would they have gotten those good looks if he was an 'average' point guard... no, and none of them really have the one on one ability to create their own shot on a regular basis... It's ironic the players that play with him don't complain because they understand what is needed from him, but arm chair analyst like you.... try to discredit his skill set because he doesn't fit into the generic mode you created for him.
Great players adapt to the team need... PERIOD!
D Rose can defend his position just fine
Thing is with Lebron he can defend several positions just fine
His size combined with his skill set is what puts him above the rest
but drose is shoot first...pass when im in trouble
thats how he racked up those assists tonight
his teammates were hot hitting long jumpers
cp3 assists were easy buckets for his crew
man, its feel like im the only person who watched the game in here
How much of that is due to coaching strategy and personnel vs the pg?
The Clips are "lob city" because Deondre Jordan, Blake Griffin, and Co. are best at dunking the ball. They run a more motion offense.
The Bulls have Boozer. Is he going to even move enough to be setup for dunks like CP3 sets up Jordan and Griffin? Also, the Bulls run a different offense.
I understand your point but if CP3 had Rose's talent, don't you think he'd be doing the same thing? Why pass when no one can stop you? lol. But D Rose wasn't jacking. He was efficient tonight.
but drose is shoot first...pass when im in trouble
thats how he racked up those assists tonight
his teammates were hot hitting long jumpers
cp3 assists were easy buckets for his crew
man, its feel like im the only person who watched the game in here
i watched it..he is drive and kick by design.
threaten with the shot draw the d and pass
that is d.rose game
paul is penetrate wait for them to commit then dish.
two ppl both shoot 14 times
1 gets 16 assists
the other 14
but only 1 is considered a pass 1st pg
d rose is just a pg how bout that?
Maybe not now, but what separates D Rose from LBJ is his willingness to commit to a team, make them his own, and carry them on his back and not bail (translated Heart!)... Thus his re-up. I do respect LBJ skillset, but in a lot of ways he may have peaked... D Rose is still developing and with work on his D he could potentially be better... I'm not just talking about status, but overall impact on his team... That's why I said potential, and he does have that potential if he continues to shore up his areas of weakness...
As evidenced by this thread I am a big DRose fan but he still is a volume shooter more than he needs to be. He didn't need a ton of shots tonight but in the Warriors game for instance he did. As for the argument that he didn't set up guys for the majority of his assists that's not how the offense is built. They spread the floor,set some screens and let Rose operate occasionally setting screens off the ball for Rip or Korver.
not only his style of play, but his size. He struggles against bigger guards, but he plays the point in a superior fashion. I would be interested to see Rose's game after suffering injuries like Paul's...his game is based on quickness, speed, & vert...just wonder how he would recover & alter his game.
Good game from Noah today, but seeing him shoot unorthodox 15 footers hurts my eyes.
BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's called being aggressive and playing to his strengths, which is exactly what that team needs, and that is why they are so successful. I laugh at people who try to put people in box, and discredit them when they don't play according to the stereotype you create in your own world.... so yeah, maybe you are the only person who watch the game in here, in the biased way you watched the game. A great player does what his team needs him to do to win, and that's why especially in this game, his style of play was more effective for his team than CP3s was.... His team mates may have been hot and hit their shots, but their shots were a lot more open and easy to hit, because of the triple threat D Rose possesses... would they have gotten those good looks if he was an 'average' point guard... no, and none of them really have the one on one ability to create their own shot on a regular basis... It's ironic the players that play with him don't complain because they understand what is needed from him, but arm chair analyst like you.... try to discredit his skill set because he doesn't fit into the generic mode you created for him.
Great players adapt to the team need... PERIOD!
ok dude....youre getting all emotional on me now
clearly you didnt see cp3 players getting layups off his assists while drose players were hitting long jumpers
yes tonight, drose had more assists..... but thats simply tonight
he's not making anyone better when they have to continously launch 15 to 20 feet J's
drose worked extremely hard out there tonight
cp3 looked like he could play another 4 quarters
why?
because he knows how to control the pace of the game
true pg shit
thats not fair imo because his shots were putting pressure on the d, in the lane which resulted in free throws.
if he shot 27 times...and they were long jumpers and 3's... then i'd agree wholeheartedly.
the pg's job is to make everyone else's job easier.
he draws all attention when he goes to the cup..his teammates get wide open jumpers and easy put backs because of his constant pressure.
paul,rondo they do it too...they're just not as good a scorer as d.rose is
Take away Rose's 10 on FTs & it's 19-16. Rose shot 10 more FTs than Paul, he definitely attacked more.
this!!!
because it is in his nature to take over.
if his guys arent hitting...his instincts tell him to throw on the jansport and carry them home.
as the season goes on and he gets used to having rip..dependable healthy teammates he'll change
the way he adjusts his game i have no reason to believe he wont
he's shooting first
how in the hell is he making anyone better?
he is so quick that noah and boozer should be getting layups all day
have you ever seen zeke play?
he couldve scored whenever he wanted too but he was focused on getting mahorn, laimbeer, and rodman off
when youre a great pg....you dont need to score and take every shot
this kid can win rings if he changes his game
or he can be this generations iverson
this team reminds of me of iversons philly teams
theyre just going to go deep in the playoffs every year and lose
and then once he slows down...its a wrap
thats his job lol
attack.
thats what makes him so dangerous...he isnt jacking up 3's
he's in the lane.....
he is going for high percentage impact either layup,free throw or dimes... i like those odds
and he's only getting better
man some of yall need to watch some old pistons vids on youtube
isaiah took over in the fourth when he needed too
he didnt just shoot to shoot
but if you want to rely on kyle korver and deng to hit those shots when it counts...be my guest
Not getting emotional Dude, I promise you. Again, you are referring to position by description, and I am referring to the true evaluation of a players talent and impact, which is doing what needs to be done and playing effectively in accordance to the role his team needs him to play. You mentioned in a different post, that he took 10 more free throws than CP3? That's his role, attack. He is a much more physically gifted player than CP3, so to play the 'typical' PG role would be him giving back his advantages, and not being effective. Also, you mentioned his team mates getting jumpers, if he is a drive and dish athlete, that's what they are going to get, due to proper spacing. There is more to the team game than playing the generic role of a 'position'. With all of the better athletes in the league, quite frankly there are not to many of the 'pure' position players, from Center to PG. Sure CP3 is more of a throwback type of PG, but in Today's NBA, that is a role that's becoming more and more extinct.
you're missing it, i respect your knowledge but you're missing it.
rose did not have a healthy team last year until the playoffs, he didn't have consistent help
so last year he learned to carry a team, which he did by trying to get them involved and when it failed...carry them on his back.
this year he is adjusting to the fact that he does have teammates who will be healthy and he can depend on.
he's already adjusting his play, from what i saw from this year these few games compared to last year.
his team has always been such that the people on the roster have been scared of the big moments and he wasn't
in the heat series they focused on rose, and everyone else came up short, and they got beat.
he is actually going to have people to throw to every night. the rose we saw tonight will be even more efficient by mid-season
and the rose by the time playoffs come will be even more efficient.
he is learning to have the balance, cause he is the only 30 point every night scorer they have on the team everyone else is around 10-17ppg maybe 25 if they're hot that night.
guarantee by mid-season it'll click
they NEED his scoring AND passing. he isn't playing on a team filled with durant's and hardins and ibaka's who can fill it up every night.
if he was i'd agree.
its starting to click for him though, and its a scary sight.
lol no no no no lol
rose is doing the same thing and he will do the same thing
remember
he didn't have a full roster of teammates for the entire season basically so he had to take over every quarter or they wouldn't be in games.
NOW he is using the luxury of having those teammates.
he is going to do what you say
but at a higher level.... not shoot just to shoot
but shoot with purpose and control the pace of the game.
and your last point is exactly my point
he couldn't rely so he had to shoot
either rely on them
or not shoot and lose
he took it upon himself....
This is generic basketball analysis. And its off base. Paul gets Blake and Jordan easy dunks because they play close to and above the rim. Thats their strength and thats where he gets them the ball.
Rose gets Deng and Rip mid range jumpers b/c thats their game. He gets Korver three's because thats their game. He gets Boozer and Noah baskets under the rim because thats their game.
Paul had the flashy assists but on alleys(which are easy shots) but he is not going to give Jordan the ball 10 feet from the rim. They both got their players the ball in a spot where they are comfortable scoring.
I didnt see many assists to Foye, Butler or Mo.
Derrick Rose plays nothing like Allen Iverson. If you watched this game and saw Iverson then you need your eyes checked. Are you really saying he needs to change his game?
He played with amazing tempo today. He didnt shoot the 1st 6 minutes of the game and finished the 1st quarter with 11 and 6! Where do you see Iverson? Iverson never went 6 mins and not shot the ball.
You have a misconception of what a "true pg" is. Passing 1st pg's get that rap because they are not elite scorers. The role of the pg is to put their team in the best position to score on a posession while keep teammates actively engaged in the offense.
The best way for Rose to do that is to attack because he can get to any spot on the floor. When this occurs, the defense rotates. When they do, he hits his teammates or shoots if he has the advantage.
If anything Derrick Rose could shoot more. Tonight's performance was one of the best that you would see from a point guard. He had complete control of the offense as evidenced by the overall team performance. The bulls shot 50% from the floor, 41 from three, had only 12 TO's on 92 possessions.
You may have watched the game but you dont know what you are watching!
Im convinced people dont actually watch Bulls games. Rose had 6 assists in the first qtr, but people are still saying he shoots first, second, and third. This time last year its he doesnt get teammates involved, now people are criticizing the types of assists hes getting.
As you said its about getting people shots where they like them... Rip, Deng, hell even Booz like 15 footers... Thats where he gives them the ball... Even Noah isnt a dunker. The only player on the team who is... IS ROSE. There isnt gonna be easy buckets because no one on the team can get them.
As good as Paul is, and he is good. He, like Nash get more props than due. When you play with people who jump out the gym, its easy to ring up 11 assists a game. Rondo does a great job getting his HOFers the ball in the correct spots. Its more to being a good PG than assists...
What everyone here forgets is that D. Rose just turn 23 in oct. CP is gonna be gonna be 27 in may. D Rose is not even close to his potential yet. He still needs to work on not turning the ball over and his decision making skills, which he will learn with time. Dont get me wrong CP is a legit, but when u got Griffin and Jordan catching your alley oops u gonna look good. Opps don't win you games or championships. Shit i think Shaq could have thrown Griffn & Jordan opps, Fuck Foye was even throwing them oops!! Shit D wade & Lebron both said already D. Rose is the best PG and that was last year when he was 22! D. Rose is the best PG in the game and is still growing, if u don't see that then its just pure hate!!
lmao @ this thread
I understand that some of yall are bulls fans but this is ridiculous
holla at me when dude cuts back the turnovers, gets his teammates the rock on a regular basis, and shoots less
dude has one game where he put up double digits assists and yall acting like he does this every night
the fact is he may get 6 or 7 assists and 5 turnovers...and thats why cp3 is better
all that other shit yall are making up is for the birds and you bulls fans
dude isnt a true pg yet no matter how much you say he has to attack the rim
thats ridiculous and the pg position isnt played that way
I understand that some of yall are bulls fans but this is ridiculous
holla at me when dude cuts back the turnovers, gets his teammates the rock on a regular basis, and shoots less
dude has one game where he put up double digits assists and yall acting like he does this every night
the fact is he may get 6 or 7 assists and 5 turnovers...and thats why cp3 is better
all that other shit yall are making up is for the birds and you bulls fans
dude isnt a true pg yet no matter how much you say he has to attack the rim
thats ridiculous and the pg position isnt played that way
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