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[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

As you say, I'm going by your words. You seem eager to reject the notion I support that women can control their lives. That somehow women's poor relationship choices are a man's fault.
History has proven you wrong. Frederick Douglas proves you wrong. Marian Wright Edeleman proves you wrong. Lena Horne proves you wrong. Josephine Baker proves you wrong. Bryant Gumbel proves you wrong. Julian Bond proves you wrong. I can keep this up.
You make the mistake, like many people, of shaping reality (as you perceive it) to your philosophy. I shape my philosophy to reality.


Now would be a good time to say "Oops, my bad shorty".

lol You make the mistake of thinking you know what reality is. You're just trying to make it fit into what you can see. Once you've learned to see what's really there, you'll be alright. None of this is about women controlling their lives. Of course they can control their lives. This is about the black family to me and the continuation of it. And so on. And no Frederick Douglas doesn't prove me wrong. He proves that he was a victim to the same mentality that has plagued black men since brought here. And you can't use him because he was married to a black woman and strengthed by a black woman and some would say even freed by a black woman. He spent like 50 years with HER, his 2nd wife he spent like 9 or something. I'm not even really going to count that other than to say he wanted to see what all the fuss was about. None of the others you've listed prove me wrong either. Because all of them were victims of the same disease.

And i don't need to apologize for anything. Lone already stated it. You guys should LISTEN every once in a while.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Lone said she said it, 4 posts ago so who lying?

Why should she apologize

She is right when she and I speak I dont say things like that AND she is right that you guys just dont understand...I explained myself and you fags ignored it so you can try and win some lame argument ... bunch of pussies smh

Well....There you have it Fuzzy. Of course you'll do your usual.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

When you admit to saying something and then say you shouldn't have said it, that's backtracking. Maybe that word has another meaning in Canada but that's what it is in the US.



The venting is wack but people do that on the board all the time.
I understand you fine. You explained it perfectly. You just don't like the mirror I hold up. Without bringing in your personal life or calling you anyting other than "LoneStar" or "LS", you get real, real personal and spiteful with me, telling me I hit a nerve and hard. It's okay. I understand that too.

She should apologize a point where she was clearly wrong. Something women just do not get: when wrong, just cop to it real quick and it will be over and you can change the topic. By not doing that, you prolong the discussion and it leads away from whatever point you were making before.

She won't apologize. The "power" will shift. Doesn't want to contribute to your/our over inflated ego

 

[Upgrade Dave]

lol You make the mistake of thinking you know what reality is. You're just trying to make it fit into what you can see. Once you've learned to see what's really there, you'll be alright. None of this is about women controlling their lives. Of course they can control their lives. This is about the black family to me and the continuation of it. And so on. And no Frederick Douglas doesn't prove me wrong. He proves that he was a victim to the same mentality that has plagued black men since brought here. And you can't use him because he was married to a black woman and strengthed by a black woman and some would say even freed by a black woman. He spent like 50 years with HER, his 2nd wife he spent like 9 or something. I'm not even really going to count that other than to say he wanted to see what all the fuss was about. None of the others you've listed prove me wrong either. Because all of them were victims of the same disease.

And i don't need to apologize for anything. Lone already stated it. You guys should LISTEN every once in a while.

What??
I do listen, that's how I know when people are bullshitting me and you and Lone are stacking it deep.
No one can take anything away from Anne Murray but Frederick didn't stop working for the betterment of Black people just because he was married to and involved with White women later in his life. The only poison he was infected with was celebrity.
To make your completely invalid point, you dismiss them as "victims". Gotcha.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Well....There you have it Fuzzy. Of course you'll do your usual.

Well get t that in a minute but who's lieing?

 

[LoneStar29]

When you admit to saying something and then say you shouldn't have said it, that's backtracking. Maybe that word has another meaning in Canada but that's what it is in the US.



The venting is wack but people do that on the board all the time.
I understand you fine. You explained it perfectly. You just don't like the mirror I hold up. Without bringing in your personal life or calling you anyting other than "LoneStar" or "LS", you get real, real personal and spiteful with me, telling me I hit a nerve and hard. It's okay. I understand that too.

She should apologize a point where she was clearly wrong. Something women just do not get: when wrong, just cop to it real quick and it will be over and you can change the topic. By not doing that, you prolong the discussion and it leads away from whatever point you were making before.

No I did not backtrack... I do feel a hatred for bm but its not like the hate you guys feel for bw...there is a difference and I was clarifying this... but you dont get it ... shocker

And no she shouldnt apologize ... I have YET to see any of you dudes apologize to us when we point out discrepencies in your posts so you dont deserve one either

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

What??
I do listen, that's how I know when people are bullshitting me and you and Lone are stacking it deep.
No one can take anything away from Anne Murray but Frederick didn't stop working for the betterment of Black people just because he was married to and involved with White women later in his life. The only poison he was infected with was celebrity.
To make your completely invalid point, you dismiss them as "victims". Gotcha.

You see it the way you will. I'll see it for how it really is.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

No I did not backtrack... I do feel a hatred for bm but its not like the hate you guys feel for bw...there is a difference and I was clarifying this... but you dont get it ... shocker

Oh, so you're backtracking on the backtrack? Or are you saying you do have hatred for Black men, you just shouldn't have said it?

And no she shouldnt apologize ... I have YET to see any of you dudes apologize to us when we point out discrepencies in your posts so you dont deserve one either

See this is where we disconnect. I'm a grown up. I don't do things based on what someone else does or doesn't do. If I owe someone an apology, even if that person has wronged me in my eyes, I apologize because I can only control me and I don't let other people drag me down to their level.
You haven't gotten to that point in your life yet. You'll like it when you get there.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You see it the way you will. I'll see it for how it really is.

Okay, you just can't back it up with a cogent, fact based explanation.
Gotchu, too.

 

[LoneStar29]

Oh, so you're backtracking on the backtrack? Or are you saying you do have hatred for Black men, you just shouldn't have said it?





See this is where we disconnect. I'm a grown up. I don't do things based on what someone else does or doesn't do. If I owe someone an apology, even if that person has wronged me in my eyes, I apologize because I can only control me and I don't let other people drag me down to their level.
You haven't gotten to that point in your life yet. You'll like it when you get there.

I do have hatred for bm but its not the same way you guys hate bw and no I shouldnt have said that outloud on here although ya'll do to bw all the time so I dont see the big deal

I dont apologize to people who dont deserve it ... I really dont give a fuck how YOU feel about that. You aint said shit when mofos were calling my son out his name but now you wanna preach about how I should be mature?? Man stfu with your biased ass rotfl

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Oh, so you're backtracking on the backtrack? Or are you saying you do have hatred for Black men, you just shouldn't have said it?





See this is where we disconnect. I'm a grown up. I don't do things based on what someone else does or doesn't do. If I owe someone an apology, even if that person has wronged me in my eyes, I apologize because I can only control me and I don't let other people drag me down to their level.
You haven't gotten to that point in your life yet. You'll like it when you get there.

If you truly understood her you'd see where she was coming from.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Okay, you just can't back it up with a cogent, fact based explanation.
Gotchu, too.

I've already done it. I've been doing it. The effects of the community now are proof. Just because you keep saying white women are ok to marry doesn't make it true.

 

[Top_Bunk]

Oh, so you're backtracking on the backtrack? Or are you saying you do have hatred for Black men, you just shouldn't have said it?





See this is where we disconnect. I'm a grown up. I don't do things based on what someone else does or doesn't do. If I owe someone an apology, even if that person has wronged me in my eyes, I apologize because I can only control me and I don't let other people drag me down to their level.
You haven't gotten to that point in your life yet. You'll like it when you get there.

Y'all both do realize that y'all will not reach a common ground right?

 

[NewyorkRealTalk]

me personally I'm not with it.
all the Power to who ever wants to though.

 

[Top_Bunk]

Okay, you just can't back it up with a cogent, fact based explanation.
Gotchu, too.

Bingo...

Your counter arguement about back tracking was countered with denial too....not explantion.

This happens a lot.

What I learned to realize about both of them is that they are no different then us(meaning the avg poster). Just coming from women.....I guess we expect them to act like women. Not like us.

I think they have it the hardest not cuz they women but because they act and behave like us.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Y'all both do realize that y'all will not reach a common ground right?

None of us will. Ever. Black men - women. So you're right. You've been making a lot of sense here lately. This is making me suspicious.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I do have hatred for bm but its not the same way you guys hate bw and no I shouldnt have said that outloud on here although ya'll do to bw all the time so I dont see the big deal

Gotcha. So Tuff was wrong and you hung her out to dry.

I dont apologize to people who dont deserve it ... I really dont give a fuck how YOU feel about that. You aint said shit when mofos were calling my son out his name but now you wanna preach about how I should be mature?? Man stfu with your biased ass rotfl

No one was asking you to apologize for jack, we're talking to and about someone else.
So now I'm supposed to come to your rescue, when you have taken very personal shots at me? I've never called your son anything so I don't owe you an apology for that, other people do.

If you truly understood her you'd see where she was coming from.

I see exactly where she's coming from. I also see how she perpetuate her own victim status.
Understanding doesn't equate to agreeing, which I don't or even being sympathetic, which I am. I'm not that dude. As any friend of mine will tell you, I'm not a "hold your hand" type friend, I'm a "smack you upside the head and tell you to do something about it" friend.
LoneStar needs more of those and less "I hear you, girl" members.

I've already done it. I've been doing it. The effects of the community now are proof. Just because you keep saying white women are ok to marry doesn't make it true.

The things you're talking about aren't because of interracial marriage. Considering we do it so statistically rarely, I would say, going by your thinking, it might be working against us. We may need more of us to marry non-Blacks. Marrying other Black people at around 95% of all Black marriages isn't working.

Y'all both do realize that y'all will not reach a common ground right?

I know but I'm stupid like that. I used to get sucked into these stupid debates with clowns like destrehan and sirwoodz and JD Walker too. I have to work on that.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

None of us will. Ever. Black men - women. So you're right. You've been making a lot of sense here lately. This is making me suspicious.

I made it with my Black wife so speak for yourself. If two people want to make common ground, they can. The only people stopping them is them.

 

[LoneStar29]

None of us will. Ever. Black men - women. So you're right.

/thread

I made it with my Black wife so speak for yourself. If two people want to make common ground, they can. The only people stopping them is them.

Are you talking about the wife you were cheating on???

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

So the posts i made explaining about black communities needing black families to work them? I find that talk does usually get ENTIRELY skipped over. How things are today is all the fact needed is what i've been saying. Look around you. Don't throw a handful of examples of black brainwashing as if to say these people had an impact. Show me 1 black man - woman combination that was together from day 1 that impacted black communities to THIS day.

That's what i mean by history has proven me right Dave. What impact did the people you posted have on us as a people? Malcolm X married to a black woman. Impacts us as black people to this day. Martin Luther King, married to a black woman. Impacts us to this day. Our THOUGHTS. When children are shown these men they're not just shown THOSE men. They're shown those men and their wives.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

I made it with my Black wife so speak for yourself. If two people want to make common ground, they can. The only people stopping them is them.

Yes, and i remember you only are concerned with that. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. The future of our children, grandchildren can go fuck themselves as well. I understand your stance.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

/thread



Are you talking about the wife you were cheating on???

Stop it. No. Don't sink to their level. That's what THEY do.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So the posts i made explaining about black communities needing black families to work them? I find that talk does usually get ENTIRELY skipped over. How things are today is all the fact needed is what i've been saying. Look around you. Don't throw a handful of examples of black brainwashing as if to say these people had an impact. Show me 1 black man - woman combination that was together from day 1 that impacted black communities to THIS day.

That's what i mean by history has proven me right Dave. What impact did the people you posted have on us as a people? Malcolm X married to a black woman. Impacts us as black people to this day. Martin Luther King, married to a black woman. Impacts us to this day. Our THOUGHTS. When children are shown these men they're not just shown THOSE men. They're shown those men and their wives.

If you don't recognize the impact of those people I listed, that's your problem and you might need to address your own education.
I can't dispute and I'm not disputing that Black communities need strong Black families. I am disputing that having a non-Black spouse means you can't also whole heartedly be working to better your community. In that, history proves you wrong.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

None of us will. Ever. Black men - women. So you're right. You've been making a lot of sense here lately. This is making me suspicious.

Not true.

I have black women in my personal/ professional circle that I disagree with on 75% of the issues surrounding the black men vs black women thing but we do find common ground and can admit when the other has a good point.

Like, we all agree that society/ the media plays a big part and has a vested interest in shaping how we see each other. Always has...since slavery. Thats common ground. We all agree that there are some things that alot of black men and alot of black women do that happen to be counterproductive in a dating situation. Common ground. We all agree that the abundance of pussy being thrown at alot of black men has changed the dynamics of the dating game and we can agree that alot of black women over 30 refuse to accept that new reality. Common ground.

No matter how sweet we think we got it, we still need our women to create strong families at the end of the day though. But being that cats are being exposed to alot of different things these days some of your bullshit that woulda just been overlooked 15 yrs ago isnt being tolerated today. Probably the same on both side but I can only speak from a mans perspective.

 

[CT's Finest]

If you truly understood her you'd see where she was coming from.

I think Star's use of the word "hate" being directed toward black men is what is tripping people up. It threw me off for a while as well. But I have had it all explained to me in a manner that suggests that she doesn't actually hate us. From my understanding she is hurt, angry, and frustrated by the treatment she and other sistas have gotten by (some) of us. That is more a source of pain than an entire group of men. Of course these are my words. She is free to correct me if I said anything wrong. That being said, I think the point is that Lonestar doesn't hate black men, she is just disappointed in us in many ways
...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

/thread



Are you talking about the wife you were cheating on???

Yep, that one. The one I just celebrated my 15th anniversary with.

Yes, and i remember you only are concerned with that. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. The future of our children, grandchildren can go fuck themselves as well. I understand your stance.

I don't care if they fuck themselves or not, that's their private business. They need to make sure they're working as hard to take care of themselves. A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

Stop it. No. Don't sink to their level. That's what THEY do.

Let her go. She's on that level. She always has been. You just choose not to see it. She is a part of "THEY". There's a reason she comes here despite the treatment she gets: it's where she can meet like-minded people, emotionally scarred people.

 

[Top_Bunk]

Gotcha. So Tuff was wrong and you hung her out to dry.



No one was asking you to apologize for jack, we're talking to and about someone else.
So now I'm supposed to come to your rescue, when you have taken very personal shots at me? I've never called your son anything so I don't owe you an apology for that, other people do.





I see exactly where she's coming from. I also see how she perpetuate her own victim status.
Understanding doesn't equate to agreeing, which I don't or even being sympathetic, which I am. I'm not that dude. As any friend of mine will tell you, I'm not a "hold your hand" type friend, I'm a "smack you upside the head and tell you to do something about it" friend.
LoneStar needs more of those and less "I hear you, girl" members.





The things you're talking about aren't because of interracial marriage. Considering we do it so statistically rarely, I would say, going by your thinking, it might be working against us. We may need more of us to marry non-Blacks. Marrying other Black people at around 95% of all Black marriages isn't working.



I know but I'm stupid like that. I used to get sucked into these stupid debates with clowns like destrehan and sirwoodz and JD Walker too. I have to work on that.

Actually depending on how u look at it there is actually some benefit to arguing with someone that doesn't know what they are talking about and arguing with someone that knows what they are talkin about.

If u argue with jordan that he doesn't know shit about basketball ur going to get clowned but ur going to be schooled on basketball. The more u argue and dmber u sound the more u will learn. If u actually are really listening.

Arguing with someone dumb or uninformed u start to see what misconceptions they carry ad how they view the word w/out being them. U get insight. Kinda like that skit where dave chapelle was the black clans man and he would explain why he hates blacks.....the guy interviewing him was just sitting back being fasinated. the guy interviewing him was learning a lot....learnedhe was blind....learnedhe thought he was white....u just some times have to sit back and be fasinated by the ignorance and u will soon find out their miseducation. And I believe that u need to learn the miseducation in order to educate them.


I mean think about what we are brainwashed t know....someone that is brainwashed or has brainwashed themselves u have to understand tem and what they think and believe first.


Jd was just a coon. He was dumb for real

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

So the posts i made explaining about black communities needing black families to work them? I find that talk does usually get ENTIRELY skipped over. How things are today is all the fact needed is what i've been saying. Look around you. Don't throw a handful of examples of black brainwashing as if to say these people had an impact. Show me 1 black man - woman combination that was together from day 1 that impacted black communities to THIS day.

That's what i mean by history has proven me right Dave. What impact did the people you posted have on us as a people? Malcolm X married to a black woman. Impacts us as black people to this day. Martin Luther King, married to a black woman. Impacts us to this day. Our THOUGHTS. When children are shown these men they're not just shown THOSE men. They're shown those men and their wives.

That's a fundamental issue of black leadership and not necessarily on every black man out there imo.

We need those who have it in them to step up and lead all of us like they did. The ones who claim to be leaders now don't impact the community because people see through their bullshit
they see they aren't about it. The ones that do have a following don't have black wives so they can't impact us either.
I feel we can do it on a smaller scale individually
as you know i tutor every week faithfully
and if i did have a wife i'd try and get her to come tutor with me too that to me would be my contribution of impact that you're speaking
as a single man presently though i'm not equipped to take on that aspect of what you're talking about though i hope too one day
and even if/when i do, it'll still be an impact on my community but not nearly ENOUGH communities to make a difference on a grander scale
but still do my part is doing my part i feel hopefully others will and we will be ok is how i feel about it.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Actually depending on how u look at it there is actually some benefit to arguing with someone that doesn't know what they are talking about and arguing with someone that knows what they are talkin about.

If u argue with jordan that he doesn't know shit about basketball ur going to get clowned but ur going to be schooled on basketball. The more u argue and dmber u sound the more u will learn. If u actually are really listening.

Arguing with someone dumb or uninformed u start to see what misconceptions they carry ad how they view the word w/out being them. U get insight. Kinda like that skit where dave chapelle was the black clans man and he would explain why he hates blacks.....the guy interviewing him was just sitting back being fasinated. the guy interviewing him was learning a lot....learnedhe was blind....learnedhe thought he was white....u just some times have to sit back and be fasinated by the ignorance and u will soon find out their miseducation. And I believe that u need to learn the miseducation in order to educate them.


I mean think about what we are brainwashed t know....someone that is brainwashed or has brainwashed themselves u have to understand tem and what they think and believe first.


Jd was just a coon. He was dumb for real

I agree with all that. If it wasn't for some of the arguments I've had on this board, I would have no idea real people walked around with some of this shit on their minds. It can be very enlightening.

No comment on JD

 

[LoneStar29]

Let her go. She's on that level. She always has been. You just choose not to see it. She is a part of "THEY". There's a reason she comes here despite the treatment she gets: it's where she can meet like-minded people, emotionally scarred people.

You are just like these guys too though

Clearly you dont respect or love bw as much as you claim or you would have kept your dick in your pants instead of violating your marriage and your wife

You can look down on me all you want but bottom line is you are no better than anyone here

 

[(0_0)..l.. finger]

Black man= Singular
Asian man= Singular
white man= Singular
hispanic man= Singular
etc man=Singular

Black men= Plural
Asian men= Plural
white men= Plural
hispanic men= Plural
etc men= Plural

Black woman= Singular
Asian woman= Singular
white woman= Singular
Hispanic woman= Singular
etc man= Singular


Black women= Plural
Asian women= Plural
white women= Plural
Hispanic women= Plural
etc women= Plural


plu·ral -.

1. consisting of, containing, or pertaining to more than one.

2. pertaining to or involving a plurality of persons or things.

3. being one of such a plurality. 4.Grammar. noting or pertaining to a member of the category of number, found in many languages, indicating that a wordhas more than one referent, as in English men,or more than two referents, as in Old English ge,meaning “you.”


Singular-

1. Being only one; individual.

2. Being the only one of a kind; unique.

3. Being beyond what is ordinary or usual; remarkable.

4. Deviating from the usual or expected; odd. See Synonyms at strange.

5. Grammar


The possibilities of all people thinking the same, having the same values because of race, religion ...etc

carry on......

 

[LoneStar29]

Not true.

I have black women in my personal/ professional circle that I disagree with on 75% of the issues surrounding the black men vs black women thing but we do find common ground and can admit when the other has a good point.

Like, we all agree that society/ the media plays a big part and has a vested interest in shaping how we see each other. Always has...since slavery. Thats common ground. We all agree that there are some things that alot of black men and alot of black women do that happen to be counterproductive in a dating situation. Common ground. We all agree that the abundance of pussy being thrown at alot of black men has changed the dynamics of the dating game and we can agree that alot of black women over 30 refuse to accept that new reality. Common ground.

No matter how sweet we think we got it, we still need our women to create strong families at the end of the day though. But being that cats are being exposed to alot of different things these days some of your bullshit that woulda just been overlooked 15 yrs ago isnt being tolerated today. Probably the same on both side but I can only speak from a mans perspective.

So your common ground was accepting that bm are desired and bw over 30 are bitter about it?? Rotfl doesnt sound like a common ground it just sounds like the heffa gave in

And I dont agree that the media has shaped all of our views of each other ... it has for the black men who throw around stereotypes as to why they dont like bw ... but not to women like myself who dont like bm for personal reasons

 

[illdog]

The ignorant folks here, sound just like the folks on stormfront...

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Not true.

I have black women in my personal/ professional circle that I disagree with on 75% of the issues surrounding the black men vs black women thing but we do find common ground and can admit when the other has a good point.

Like, we all agree that society/ the media plays a big part and has a vested interest in shaping how we see each other. Always has...since slavery. Thats common ground. We all agree that there are some things that alot of black men and alot of black women do that happen to be counterproductive in a dating situation. Common ground. We all agree that the abundance of pussy being thrown at alot of black men has changed the dynamics of the dating game and we can agree that alot of black women over 30 refuse to accept that new reality. Common ground.

I disagree. Not that i want too. I just don't see it this way. I don't see it being the overall. Men will dismiss women's feelings. And dismiss their objections. Men will not understand women's plight. As an overall. Women will be defensive. They will...well they'll be WOMEN.

There is a general resentment in many forms towards black women in this country. Black women have been responding to it. Just not knowing the true cause of it. Like i said though. I wish i felt as an overall feeling, what you're saying. But the proof is not in the pudding.

 

[Lib_Chick]

I was raised and always taught not to judge anyone by how they look but to judge them by their actions towards you and others. "Don't be like "them" (racist ppl of every color), be better than that" is what my father always told me. I've had friends, lovers, and serious relationships with black, white, spanish, and puerto-rican men and so far my father was right. Good and bad comes in every shade. As long as your both happy none of that other shit should matter.