Mayweather vs. Ortiz: Sucker punch or fair play? Merchant Blasted! [MERGED]

[REDLINE]

I've thought about it it wasn't a sucker punch in traditional sense but it was a punch that shouldn't have been thrown. Yes the Ref did say fight and you are supposed to protect yourself at all times.

With that said they were still pulling away from the "Hug" when Floyd punched.

If the situation was reversed and Floyd was the one knocked out the same way Ortiz was Floyd and his team/associates would probably still be in the ring fighting!

There were many things that went wrong in the fight to allow the ending to happen the way they did and it was because of the Ref.

As a sportsman and in the spirit of competition the punch was an unfair punch but sportsmansip was thrown out of the window with the intentional headbutt.

Oh and I was rooting for Floyd.

 

[Flawless]

He's a coon. A walking, talking minstrel and any attempt to celebrate his "greatness" is an endorsement of said coon.

what makes him a coon?

 

[Nobody]

I've thought about it it wasn't a sucker punch in traditional sense but it was a punch that shouldn't have been thrown. Yes the Ref did say fight and you are supposed to protect yourself at all times.

With that said they were still pulling away from the "Hug" when Floyd punched.

If the situation was reversed and Floyd was the one knocked out the same way Ortiz was Floyd and his team/associates would probably still be in the ring fighting!

There were many things that went wrong in the fight to allow the ending to happen the way they did and it was because of the Ref.

As a sportsman and in the spirit of competition the punch was an unfair punch but sportsmansip was thrown out of the window with the intentional headbutt.

Oh and I was rooting for Floyd.

What are you talking about? Ortiz was trying to hug and Floyd clearly didn't want to be bothered with that. Look at the video again. As Floyd approaches he's pretty much brushing off Ortiz and Floyd has his hands up. What is he supposed to do? Sit around and wait for Ortiz, the man who just intentionally head butted you to be ready to fight?

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Why do people continue to misuse the words coon and minstrel

B/c they don't know any better & since it's so misused here on the board, they themselves think that it's ok to use it. Da way it's used up here one would be safe to assume that it has lost it original meaning.

Btw, folks can make up as many excuses & explanations as they want but had he had his hands up, he wouldn't have been laid out on that mat at THAT particular point in time. They were there to fight, not hug, cop pleas & apologize.

what makes him a coon?

He doesn't know. He can't even begin to give you an explanation.

 

[jivanbrahman]

Thanks for this thread guys I learned alot. Regardless if you're for/against him people want to see that Pac fight. Even if it doesnt happen he's still CAPITALIZING....

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Lets hear from people who have been in there and can talk about it.Here are some thoughts from other boxers via Twitter:

Paulie Malignaggi
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Ortiz was KO'd bcuz HE made huge mistake that @FloydMayweather capitalized on. #EndOfStory #DoneTalking

Lennox Lewis
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When the ref says fight. It doesn't matter if he looks away. The fighters were instructed to fight not hug.

Andre Dirrel
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Anthonydirrell it's not ok for a champion to do something like that if @FloydMayweather would have did That it would have been all bad but since Vic did

Antonio Tarver
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Protect yourself at all times, it's the first rule of boxing.

AndreBerto
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2 B honest the butt was wrong and the last right hand punch that Floyd threw was alittle much... But u have to protect yourself at all times

Nonito Donaire
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It can be classless, it can be unsportmanike, even opportunistic, but unforunately, its still legal. Would I pull a mayweather? No. But would I pull an Ortiz and be THAT close to a fighter even IF he was saying sorry? No. Id keep arms length away.

OmarHenry
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By the way the ending wasnt dirty protect yourself at all times Victor was looking for an excuse out and he found it. STOP HATING!

Audley Harrison
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That was warming into a great fight. Shame, but Victor was naive to drop his hands like that, protect yourself at all times is the rules.


Anthonydirrell
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Did what he had to do it protect yourself at all time

BrianViloria
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Once the referee says fight...put yo damn guard up!

Rashad Holloway
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Protect yourself at all times. But damn, is there any class in boxing anymore?

Peter Quillin
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Protect urself at all times 2nd rule in boxing. 1st rule is. Keep ur hands up!

Ishe Smith
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Protect urself at all times, why are u going to hug the guy, this is the fight business

Pawel Wolak
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I probably would have hit with the left hook but not with the follow right. Got 2 keep protected at all times but try 2 keep sportsmanship.

Eddie Chambers
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Victor Ortiz should of never dropped his guard... & always know u are never friend while u in that ring!!

Steve Cunningham
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y'all call us warriors gladiators right, I agree with wut Floyd did its fight time not time to hug kiss and apologize

 

[Sampson]

He's a coon. A walking, talking minstrel and any attempt to celebrate his "greatness" is an endorsement of said coon.

You're a fucking moron.

 

[publicenemy]

Protect yourself at all times, and there is no virtue in getting hit, keep your gloves up.

 

[Alaskanredman]

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/51195/m...s-the-web-parental-discretion-is-advised.html

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/51189/w...fied-in-two-piecing-that-b-tch-azz-ortiz.html

http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/18/larry...st-fight-interview-victor-ortiz/#.TnckI9RJkZM

 

[woodchuck]

I love how Media Fakeout takes other people's pictures, and put their own mark on them.

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

I love how Media Fakeout takes other people's pictures, and put their own mark on them.

They're some of the funniest bitch-made cats around, and they lurk on BGOL aplenty. They've ripped from here too and we've laughed at them

 

[Lower9Nupe]

B/c they don't know any better & since it's so misused here on the board, they themselves think that it's ok to use it. Da way it's used up here one would be safe to assume that it has lost it original meaning.

Btw, folks can make up as many excuses & explanations as they want but had he had his hands up, he wouldn't have been laid out on that mat at THAT particular point in time. They were there to fight, not hug, cop pleas & apologize.



He doesn't know. He can't even begin to give you an explanation.

Sure I can but the fact is I don't have to explain sh** to you. Right?

 

[Osca Lee]

This dude has to be a BGOL member some of the comments are on this thread

 

[woodchuck]

This dude has to be a BGOL member some of the comments are on this thread

That vid was kinda cool!

 

[ballscout1]

I've thought about it it wasn't a sucker punch in traditional sense but it was a punch that shouldn't have been thrown. Yes the Ref did say fight and you are supposed to protect yourself at all times.

With that said they were still pulling away from the "Hug" when Floyd punched.

If the situation was reversed and Floyd was the one knocked out the same way Ortiz was Floyd and his team/associates would probably still be in the ring fighting!

There were many things that went wrong in the fight to allow the ending to happen the way they did and it was because of the Ref.

As a sportsman and in the spirit of competition the punch was an unfair punch but sportsmansip was thrown out of the window with the intentional headbutt.

Oh and I was rooting for Floyd.

"They" were not pulling away from the hug, Ortiz was. Mayweather had both of his hands raised and in front of him.He wasn't hugging .

Mayweather had already been hugged once right after the headbutt. He had already touched his glove with Ortiz.

As soon as the referee said box after chastising Ortiz, that is protect yourself at all times and fight.

Even if Ortiz wanted to further apologize it is on him to do so in a manner that he can protect himself.

He then got hit with a not so hard left and still instead of raising his hands he looked at the referee he then was hit with the right.


Ortiz had been leading with his head throughout the fight and if you listened to his interview he tried to act like that last headbutt that busted Mayweathers lips was not intentional.

 

[Ninja05]

This is the financial article - cited previously in this thread. I just read it - true dude acts a complete ass sometimes....but this financial model scares these white folks I'm telling you. Dude needs to write a book on how he took control of his career in a field that his discarded many a prominent black fighter.

Mayweather paid Ortiz out of his own money... Even had Bob Arum saying how he could get more money with a promoter..

I can see him setting up a gym and some kinda financial consulting/managing company after boxing. Dude is still getting money from the Mosley fight...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/s...h-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?ref=sports

 

[ballscout1]

This is the financial article - cited previously in this thread. I just read it - true dude acts a complete ass sometimes....but this financial model scares these white folks I'm telling you. Dude needs to write a book on how he took control of his career in a field that his discarded many a prominent black fighter.

Mayweather paid Ortiz out of his own money... Even had Bob Arum saying how he could get more money with a promoter..

I can see him setting up a gym and some kinda financial consulting/managing company after boxing. Dude is still getting money from the Mosley fight...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/s...h-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?ref=sports

You are right because he can make promoters obsolete for top tier fighters.

He did say he would tell other fighters how to do what he did.............For a Price

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I've thought about it it wasn't a sucker punch in traditional sense but it was a punch that shouldn't have been thrown. Yes the Ref did say fight and you are supposed to protect yourself at all times.

With that said they were still pulling away from the "Hug" when Floyd punched.

If the situation was reversed and Floyd was the one knocked out the same way Ortiz was Floyd and his team/associates would probably still be in the ring fighting!

There were many things that went wrong in the fight to allow the ending to happen the way they did and it was because of the Ref.

As a sportsman and in the spirit of competition the punch was an unfair punch but sportsmansip was thrown out of the window with the intentional headbutt.

Oh and I was rooting for Floyd.

Joe Cortez did nothing wrong. He said "Fight." What happened next was on the fighters. He took his eyes off them long enough to tell the timekeeper to start the clock but it looked like he saw the ko punch so he counted. The person in the wrong was Ortiz for not putting his hands up after Floyd hit him the first time.

 

[Sampson]

This is the financial article - cited previously in this thread. I just read it - true dude acts a complete ass sometimes....but this financial model scares these white folks I'm telling you. Dude needs to write a book on how he took control of his career in a field that his discarded many a prominent black fighter.

Mayweather paid Ortiz out of his own money... Even had Bob Arum saying how he could get more money with a promoter..

I can see him setting up a gym and some kinda financial consulting/managing company after boxing. Dude is still getting money from the Mosley fight...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/s...h-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?ref=sports

This is why I respect Mayweather's business acumen as well as his skills in the ring. And it's for those reasons there is so much institutional racism towards him. A black man not needing white corporate America to succeed is America's biggest fear.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

This is why I respect Mayweather's business acumen as well as his skills in the ring. And it's for those reasons there is so much institutional racism towards him. A black man not needing white corporate America to succeed is America's biggest fear.

 

[Osca Lee]

This is the financial article - cited previously in this thread. I just read it - true dude acts a complete ass sometimes....but this financial model scares these white folks I'm telling you. Dude needs to write a book on how he took control of his career in a field that his discarded many a prominent black fighter.

Mayweather paid Ortiz out of his own money... Even had Bob Arum saying how he could get more money with a promoter..

I can see him setting up a gym and some kinda financial consulting/managing company after boxing. Dude is still getting money from the Mosley fight...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/s...h-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?ref=sports

Now I see why Larry came at him like he did, this bro has changed the game and they are mad

 

[Famous1]

This dude has to be a BGOL member some of the comments are on this thread

real talk.....

 

[keone]

This is the financial article - cited previously in this thread. I just read it - true dude acts a complete ass sometimes....but this financial model scares these white folks I'm telling you. Dude needs to write a book on how he took control of his career in a field that his discarded many a prominent black fighter.

Mayweather paid Ortiz out of his own money... Even had Bob Arum saying how he could get more money with a promoter..

I can see him setting up a gym and some kinda financial consulting/managing company after boxing. Dude is still getting money from the Mosley fight...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/s...h-heavyweight-financial-clout.html?ref=sports

its funny cause 50 mostly uses the pbf route while jay-z uses the pac route

 

[Daddy43205]

if i payed for this match i'd be pissed.

 

[dabushwackers]

At the end of the day people paid money to see this fight and what they got was a bullshit ass WWE wrestling bullshit drama junk I'm done with boxing I rather spend my money on the UFC fights that's real fighting not fix and fake junk

 

[DV8ed]

Re: Briliant floyd ...fuck you ortiz!!

that's the shit that I'm talking about............if you're clean, what's the problem??? get that money, take as many drug tests as they want.......


if you got something to hide, well..........you see what Manny's doing

Man you know Manny is on them roids. Anyone that turns down 30+ million because they won't take a drug test is doing so for a reason.

as you niggas say about bonds he never tested positive

True as shit!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The Times and Yahoo! articles brought up a funny memory and shows me in hindsight why Floyd had to leave Top Rank.
When the numbers came in for Mayweather-Judah, they were better than expected and Arum got credit for promoting to the "urban" audience. Now come to find out that Arum didn't want to promote to the "urban" audience because it was believed that that audience (Blacks and Latinos, mostly Blacks) didn't buy pay per view and it was Floyd Mayweather that pushed for the marketing to be as it was. Gotta give that dude credit where it's due.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

You're a fucking moron.

So says the short n***a on the short bus.

 

[REDLINE]

You're right, Ortiz was the only one pulling away and Floyd was done hugging.
With that said, Floyd's opponent was still moving backwards about to setup to start boxing again. All three people in the ring had a factor in what went wrong. But to say the punches weren't cheap-shots are untrue.

The punch was a "Legal" punch because the Ref said fight but it was a sucker punch. Although it wasn't an official "Break", Floyd swung at Ortiz during the unofficial "Break".

What's funny is the double standard, if Ortiz hit Floyd in the same fashion Ortiz might've gotten shot in the ring!

"They" were not pulling away from the hug, Ortiz was. Mayweather had both of his hands raised and in front of him.He wasn't hugging .

Mayweather had already been hugged once right after the headbutt. He had already touched his glove with Ortiz.

As soon as the referee said box after chastising Ortiz, that is protect yourself at all times and fight.

Even if Ortiz wanted to further apologize it is on him to do so in a manner that he can protect himself.

He then got hit with a not so hard left and still instead of raising his hands he looked at the referee he then was hit with the right.


Ortiz had been leading with his head throughout the fight and if you listened to his interview he tried to act like that last headbutt that busted Mayweathers lips was not intentional.

 

[ballscout1]

You're right, Ortiz was the only one pulling away and Floyd was done hugging.
With that said, Floyd's opponent was still moving backwards about to setup to start boxing again. All three people in the ring had a factor in what went wrong. But to say the punches weren't cheap-shots are untrue.

The punch was a "Legal" punch because the Ref said fight but it was a sucker punch. Although it wasn't an official "Break", Floyd swung at Ortiz during the unofficial "Break".

What's funny is the double standard, if Ortiz hit Floyd in the same fashion Ortiz might've gotten shot in the ring!

Double Standard ? Ortiz had been headbutting for a couple rounds with barely a mention. When he launched himself all he got was an admonishment.
There was no point taken but the headbutt was called in the event the fight had to be stopped due to it ?

What do you mean an unofficial break ?

If your hands are free you can punch and you should protect yourself at all times.

Why was Ortiz backing away without his guard up ? Why after catching the left did he not raise his hands.

No boxer backs away from a clinch with their hands down, official break or not.

The referee said box, there was no timeout.

This was on Ortiz totally. He was looking for a way out and he got one.

He knew at 24 he couldn't quit again or his career is over.He was looking for a DQ with that headbutt

 

[AllState17]

You're right, Ortiz was the only one pulling away and Floyd was done hugging.
With that said, Floyd's opponent was still moving backwards about to setup to start boxing again. All three people in the ring had a factor in what went wrong. But to say the punches weren't cheap-shots are untrue.

The punch was a "Legal" punch because the Ref said fight but it was a sucker punch. Although it wasn't an official "Break", Floyd swung at Ortiz during the unofficial "Break".

What's funny is the double standard, if Ortiz hit Floyd in the same fashion Ortiz might've gotten shot in the ring!

How long exactly is Floyd supposed to wait for this "unofficial" break to last after he has already touched gloves with Ortiz and has his own hands up?

Why didnt Ortiz protect himself after the first punch?

People are calling what Floyd did a 1-2 but it wasnt. He hit him with the left, waited, no reaction came from Ortiz other then to look at the ref, and then Floyd gave him the straight right!

Ortiz wanted out and Floyd obliged.

Oh, there is no double standard, since we both know Floyd would never do what Ortiz did (leaving himself wide open). We can talk about what happened, no need to invent stuff just for argument's sake.