Is It In The Best Interest Of The GOP/Libertarians For Them To Sabotage the Economy?

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So Bernanke creates $2 Trillion through quantitative easing, without congressional approval, and the actions of Republicans appear to be "sabotaging the economy"?

Printing money "out of thin air", to finance 6 Wars around the globe does not have a negative effect on the economy?

Can someone list an economic policy change taken by the Obama admin. that has put us on the road to recovery.

Why do you subscribe to changing the facts, argument, debate, whatever -- to what YOU want it to be, instead of taking it as it is. I realize that YOU want to explain the existence of the entire universe and everything in it in terms, vel non, of the Federal Reserve -- and perhaps you are right. But, do you think it is possible, even though not probable, that you might actually stay on argument/debate/issue, at least once :confused:
 
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Why do you subscribe to changing the facts, argument, debate, whatever -- to what YOU want it to be, instead of taking it as it is. I realize that YOU want to explain the existence of the entire universe and everything in it in terms, vel non, of the Federal Reserve -- and perhaps you are right. But, do you think it is possible, even though not probable, that you might actually stay on argument/debate/issue, at least once :confused:

I never thought I was changing the facts / debate but this is my issue with the thread: How is it we focus on the GOP, when policies at the Fed are actually shaping reality? How can one NOT look in the mirror and not realize these actions (the ones I've pointed out numerous times) are, in fact, "sabotaging the economy"? In other words, Why is Thought1 spending 90% of his time on 10% of the REAL problem?

I understand he hates republicans, white people, and anyone with any money but if your 'thoughts' are that narrow, we'll never identify those responsible for the condition the nation is in. I've already said it works to no one's advantage to sabotage the economy, however, be aware of those who claim to have good intentions!
 
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I never thought I was changing the facts / debate but this is my issue with the thread: How is it we focus on the GOP, when policies at the Fed are actually shaping reality? How can one NOT look in the mirror and not realize these actions (the ones I've pointed out numerous times) are, in fact, "sabotaging the economy"? In other words, Why is Thought1 spending 90% of his time on 10% of the REAL problem?

I understand he hates republicans, white people, and anyone with any money but if your 'thoughts' are that narrow, we'll never identify those responsible for the condition the nation is in. I've already said it works to no one's advantage to sabotage the economy, however, be aware of those who claim to have good intentions!

I understand he hates republicans, white people, and anyone with any money

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When the arguments get weak the rhetoric piles on!:smh::lol:
 
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When the arguments get weak the rhetoric piles on!:smh::lol:

OK, back to my argument, Can someone list an economic policy "change" taken by the Obama admin. that has put us on the road to recovery?

3 B T!
 
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OK, back to my argument, Can someone list an economic policy "change" taken by the Obama admin. that has put us on the road to recovery?

3 B T!


OK, back to my argument.



Is It In The Best Interest Of The GOP/Libertarians For Them To Sabotage the Economy?
 
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I never thought I was changing the facts / debate but this is my issue with the thread: How is it we focus on the GOP, when policies at the Fed are actually shaping reality? How can one NOT look in the mirror and not realize these actions (the ones I've pointed out numerous times) are, in fact, "sabotaging the economy"? In other words, Why is Thought1 spending 90% of his time on 10% of the REAL problem?

I understand he hates republicans, white people, and anyone with any money but if your 'thoughts' are that narrow, we'll never identify those responsible for the condition the nation is in. I've already said it works to no one's advantage to sabotage the economy, however, be aware of those who claim to have good intentions!

Wow.

:lol::lol:Sorry but that was so over the top it evoked laughter.

But I'll say why I don't focus on the Fed that much.
The one thing I like about Paul is how he wants to audit the Fed and demands transparency. You know he's right because there is no other, contrary side.
But, to put this on the Fed, while correct, can be overstated at times. This is the same Fed we had when things were swimming along. Not a lot of drumbeats for audits and transparency then. Get people back to work and the talk will die down again. Not saying it should but it will.
 
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:lol::lol:Sorry but that was so over the top it evoked laughter.

yeah I know :D

But I'll say why I don't focus on the Fed that much.
The one thing I like about Paul is how he wants to audit the Fed and demands transparency. You know he's right because there is no other, contrary side.
But, to put this on the Fed, while correct, can be overstated at times. This is the same Fed we had when things were swimming along. Not a lot of drumbeats for audits and transparency then. Get people back to work and the talk will die down again. Not saying it should but it will.

I'll tell you this Dave; I don't think there is another issue that could unite citizens more than transparency at the Fed. These banks got us in a strangle-hold (black/white/whatever). And it's not just the U.S., central banks around the world are tightening their screws on their people in the same manner.
 
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Keeping some voters from the
polls is part of the game plan




It should be clear to all but the most steadfast of reality deniers that the strategy of the Republican Party for the presidential election next year is to cause another recession and hope the voters blame President Obama.

If the economic outlook is even more dismal and they can pin that on the president, the Republican candidate will probably win. If the economy is improving, he or she will not.


Political wars are not won with a single point of attack, however, and there are other elements in the GOP’s strategy. A recent article in the Wall Street Journal by the man George W. Bush called “turd blossom” lays them out. That term is Texan for a flower that grows from a pile of cow dung and was the nickname given Karl Rove, Bush’s chief political strategist.

In his article, Rove predicted Obama will likely lose in 2012 and offered four reasons for that conclusion —
  1. the very weak economy;

  2. the dissatisfaction of key groups of voters;

  3. Obama’s unpopular policies; and

  4. his bad strategic decisions.

The Bad Economy

Rove explained in detail how a bad economy was good for the Republican candidate:

Corporate CEO’s, who would far prefer the welfare for the wealthy that is the basis of Republican economic policies, are doing their part to help that happen. Their companies are sitting on record amounts of cash and are keeping it idle instead of hiring more workers or investing in new plants and equipment.


Unpopular Policies & Bad Decisions

With regard to unpopular policies and bad decisions, the strategy is to portray everything Obama has done as lacking any popular support and erroneous. A favorite tactic, which Rove employs, is to cite public opinion polls showing how negative the public is on health care reform.

Really? The American people must be desperate to once again be held hostage by insurance companies and to play health care roulette where a serious illness means financial ruin. When asked about specific elements of health care reform, however, public opinion is overwhelmingly positive, so the results of the poll depend on how the question is asked.​


Dissatification of Blacks & Jews

The final point — the dissatisfaction of key groups of voters — is also a key element in the game plan. Rove makes mention of two specific groups, Jews and African Americans, and points out the importance of the former in Florida and the latter in North Carolina.

So how do the Republicans make inroads in two groups that voted 78 percent and 97 percent respectively in 2008 for Obama? No problem.

  • In the first case, they use their sock-puppet pundits in the media to argue he is against Israel. After Obama’s recent speech on the Middle East, Charles Krauthammer, asserted in his column that Obama’s position on the peace process was motivated by an “antipathy toward Israel.” Someone might point out to Krauthammer that a charge of anti-Semitism, that is as thinly disguised as it is baseless, is a scurrilous slur, not an argument.

  • In the case of African Americans, it would be hard even for Rove to argue that Obama is a racist. So another tactic is employed. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Republican state legislatures around the country are as busy passing voter identification laws as they are dismantling the rights of labor unions</span>. Democratic legislators are trying to block such measures.

    Do Republicans feel passionately about voter fraud while Democrats don’t care? No, but the fact that cases of voter fraud are harder to find than Rockefeller Republicans these days explains why there is such a partisan divide on the issue. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The real purpose of such laws is to discourage poor and/or black voters from going to the polls and voting for Democrats</span>.

    Rove even provided his calculation for the amount of vote suppression required. He pointedly wrote that <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">if the share of the African American turnout “drops just one point in North Carolina, Mr. Obama’s 2008 winning margin there is wiped out two and a half times over.”</span>

Of course, Rove and company would never acknowledge having a deliberate strategy of discouraging targeted groups from voting or of lying about public opinion and the president’s record. But for the man who can make a pile of excrement look like a flower, no spinning of an issue is too shameless and no tactic beyond the pale.



ABOUT THE WRITER

Dennis Jett, a former U.S. ambassador to Mozambique and Peru, is a professor of international affairs at Penn State's School of International Affairs.

McClatchy Newspapers did not subsidize the writing of this column; the opinions are those of the writer and do not necessarily represent the views of McClatchy Newspapers or its editors.




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Donald Trump recommends default to prevent Obama's re-election
LOS ANGELES — Donald Trump has some advice for the Republican Party. The New York real estate tycoon went on "Fox & Friends" Monday morning and told the hosts that if the GOP wants to ensure that President Barack Obama isn't re-elected, all it has to do is not make any deals with Democrats and default on Aug. 2.

Trump seems to think that using the country's sparkling AAA credit rating as a sacrificial lamb and letting the nation default would damage Obama, who has been willing to put everything including entitlements on the table, more than it would hurt Republicans, who have refused to raise revenues on the richest Americans and companies during the debt ceiling negotiations.​





 
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Trump is as bad as Obama, I'll say it again.

Default is NOT an automatic consequence of not raising the debt ceiling!

It just means the govt must prioritize

Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. In the world of commercial transactions, a default is sometimes not a default until the non-defaulting party says its a default. Said differently, a technical default does not become actionable until someone calls you on it.

But, I am a bit surprised, however, (uh, no I'm not :D), that you would essentially hold Trump on some kind of equal or quasi-equal footing with the President -- and completely fail to mention the truly contemptuous idea of recommending a default if it would prevent the President's re-election -- even at the expense of hurting the nation's economy and so many of his fellow Americans. :(
 
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Default is NOT an automatic consequence of not raising the debt ceiling!

It just means the govt must prioritize

Wall Street Journal:

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I got odds he won't post any facts to back his claims. What do you think?`

Don't have any to bet. All mine is on he'll change subjects.
 
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Wall Street Journal:

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The US recieves over 2 Trillion a year in tax revenues. Thats roughly 170-180 billion a month. We's have plenty of money to pay our bonds and keep SS afloat, however, we'd have to effectively prioritize, meaning......
get rid of the Dept of Homeland Sec.
get rid of the Dept of Transportation
get rid of the Dept of Energy
get rid of the Dept of Agriculture
get rid of the Dept of Commerce......what do they do anyway?
End the Wars and get our fiscal house in order

Technically, we've already defaulted because we're monetizing our debt, so we just have to wait and see how the default will play out (its only 2 ways it plays out)

1) they can print, print, print & cause hyperinflation OR
2) they can legitimately tell our creditors we cant pay em
 
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The US recieves over 2 Trillion a year in tax revenues. Thats roughly 170-180 billion a month. We's have plenty of money to pay our bonds and keep SS afloat, however, we'd have to effectively prioritize, meaning......
get rid of the Dept of Homeland Sec.
get rid of the Dept of Transportation
get rid of the Dept of Energy
get rid of the Dept of Agriculture
get rid of the Dept of Commerce......what do they do anyway?
End the Wars and get our fiscal house in order

Technically, we've already defaulted because we're monetizing our debt, so we just have to wait and see how the default will play out (its only 2 ways it plays out)

1) they can print, print, print & cause hyperinflation OR
2) they can legitimately tell our creditors we cant pay em

To give a fuller picture of what Lamarr is saying

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/43937565#43937565

an assist is needed. Thanks.
 
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He wins (though just barely), so I'm paying up:

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can't say that the response was actually responsive, but couldn't exactly say it was evasive either - but it was certainly weak. :yes: I couldn't bet any gold or silver, they've already speculated the price of same out of reach, hence, here's copper :D


 
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Hold up.

I just watched the link in U.D.'s post just above, and I'm taking my money back !!!!!!



He wins (though just barely), so I'm paying up:

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can't say that the response was actually responsive, but couldn't exactly say it was evasive either - but it was certainly weak. :yes: I couldn't bet any gold or silver, they've already speculated the price of same out of reach, hence, here's copper :D

putting it

money.jpg


back into MY pocket.

Hotdamn Lamar would starve Gramma to make his point :angry:


:(



 
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The US recieves over 2 Trillion a year in tax revenues. Thats roughly 170-180 billion a month. We's have plenty of money to pay our bonds and keep SS afloat, however, we'd have to effectively prioritize, meaning......
get rid of the Dept of Homeland Sec.
get rid of the Dept of Transportation
get rid of the Dept of Energy
get rid of the Dept of Agriculture
get rid of the Dept of Commerce......what do they do anyway?
End the Wars and get our fiscal house in order

Technically, we've already defaulted because we're monetizing our debt, so we just have to wait and see how the default will play out (its only 2 ways it plays out)

1) they can print, print, print & cause hyperinflation OR
2) they can legitimately tell our creditors we cant pay em


get rid of the Dept of Commerce......what do they do anyway?

source: United States Department of Commerce

Mission Statement

The U.S. Department of Commerce promotes job creation, economic growth, sustainable development and improved standards of living for all Americans by working in partnership with businesses, universities, communities and our nation’s workers. The department touches the daily lives of the American people in many ways, with a wide range of responsibilities in the areas of trade, economic development, technology, entrepreneurship and business development, environmental stewardship, and statistical research and analysis.

To drive U.S. competitiveness in the global marketplace, the Commerce Department works to strengthen the international economic position of the United States and facilitates global trade by opening up new markets for U.S. goods and services. Here at home, the Commerce Department promotes progressive business policies that help America’s businesses and entrepreneurs and their communities grow and succeed. Cutting-edge science and technology at the department fosters innovation, and a focus on research and development that moves quickly from the lab to the marketplace generates progress and new 21st century opportunities. No matter where businesses are in their life cycle, whether just getting off the ground or looking to expand into overseas markets, the Commerce Department is singularly focused on making U.S. companies more innovative at home and more competitive abroad, so they can create jobs.

The Commerce Department also provides effective management and monitoring of our nation’s resources and assets to support both environmental and economic health. Through critical weather monitoring, weather forecasts and resource preservation, the department protects not only public safety and security but also our oceans, coasts and marine life while assisting their economic development. Other essential operations conducted by the Commerce Department include the constitutionally mandated decennial census, which serves as the basis of America’s representative democracy, as well as the system by which businesses and innovators secure intellectual property rights. The Secretary of Commerce leads the department’s efforts, overseeing a $7.5 billion budget and nearly 47,000 employees worldwide.


Republicans/Tea Party Libertarians have been in congress since January 20.


Where Are The Jobs!

also, since they have been in office:

GDP Grew By Dreadful 1.3 Percent In Second Quarter
 
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Hold up.

I just watched the link in U.D.'s post just above, and I'm taking my money back !!!!!!




putting it

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back into MY pocket.

Hotdamn Lamar would starve Gramma to make his point :angry:


:(


They are unfit to govern.
 
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To give a fuller picture of what Lamarr is saying

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/43937565#43937565

an assist is needed. Thanks.


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He wins (though just barely), so I'm paying up:

money.jpg


can't say that the response was actually responsive, but couldn't exactly say it was evasive either - but it was certainly weak. :yes: I couldn't bet any gold or silver, they've already speculated the price of same out of reach, hence, here's copper :D



Now that's a metal work investing in. Unlike gold, copper has real use in a variety of ways.
 
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[Hotdamn Lamar would starve Gramma to make his point :angry:


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Lamarr is an idealogue.

That's not a criticism but a statement of fact. Being an idealogue is fine when the only person you're responsible for is you and your own but it's irresponsible, liberal/conservative/libertarian, when you're responsible for the greater welfare.
 
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Lamarr is an idealogue.

That's not a criticism but a statement of fact. Being an idealogue is fine when the only person you're responsible for is you and your own but it's irresponsible, liberal/conservative/libertarian, when you're responsible for the greater welfare.

It should be a criticism. Ideologues are phony. Their beliefs are not based in reality. They actually don't believe their ideology, it just helps them make sense of a world they don't or won't want to understand.
 
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It should be a criticism. Ideologues are phony. Their beliefs are not based in reality. They actually don't believe their ideology, it just helps them make sense of a world they don't or won't want to understand.

Well, there's that.:D

But when I said it, I didn't mean it as a criticism.
 
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It should be a criticism. Ideologues are phony. Their beliefs are not based in reality. They actually don't believe their ideology, it just helps them make sense of a world they don't or won't want to understand.

Relax Angry Dude! I see this debt issue debate has got you a little shook.

Buy Gold because there is no ceiling on how high the price will go because there is no limit to how far these cats in DC will go to debase our currency - Lamarr

Record Highs! $1627.19 / ounce
 
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I think it should be pointed out as well, that when you talk about "cutting departments and budgets (even defense)", we're talking about cutting more public sector jobs at a time when the private sector is hiring VERY slowly. Adding more unemployed people while in the recovery stage of a very, very deep recession is not how you aid the recovery.
 
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Thank you republicans/tea baggers. Can you wreck the country anymore?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...redit-rating/2011/08/05/gIQAqKeIxI_print.html

Obama has no clue. Hell now he can't even buy one. A fricken embarrassment. Defend this crap!!! :angry::angry::angry::angry:


http://www.standardandpoors.com/ser...lobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8 PDF file




S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

By Zachary A. Goldfarb, Updated: Friday, August 5, 9:50 PM

Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it has downgraded the United States credit rating for the first time, dealing a huge symbolic blow to the world’s economic superpower in what was a sharply worded critique of the American political system.

Lowering the nation’s rating one-notch below AAA, the credit rating company said “political brinkmanship” in the debate over the debt had made the U.S. government’s ability to manage its finances “less stable, less effective and less predictable.” It said the bi-partisan agreement reached this week to find at least $2.1 trillion in budget savings “fell short” of what was necessary to tame the nation’s debt over time and predicted that leaders would not be likely to achieve more savings later on.

The decision came after a day of furious back-and-forth between the Obama administration and S&P. Government officials fought back hard, arguing that S&P made a flawed analysis of the potential for political agreement and had mathematical errors in its initial report, which was submitted to the Treasury earlier in the day. The company had overstated the U.S. deficit over 10 years by $2 trillion, officials said.

“A judgment flawed by a $2 trillion error speaks for itself,” a Treasury spokesperson said Friday.

The downgrade will push the global financial markets into uncharted territory after a volatile week fueled by concerns over a worsening debt crisis in Europe and a faltering economy in the United States.

The AAA rating has made the U.S. Treasury bond one of the world’s safest investments — and has helped the nation borrow at extraordinarily cheap rates to finance its government operations, including two wars and an expensive social safety net for retirees.

Treasury bonds have also been a stalwart of stability amid the economic upheaval of the past few years. The nation has had a AAA rating for 70 years.

Analysts say that, over time, the downgrade could push up borrowing costs for the U.S. government, costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year. It could also drive up interest rates for consumers and companies seeking mortgages, credit cards and business loans.

A downgrade could also have a cascading series of effects on states and localities, including nearly all of those in the Washington metro area. These governments could lose their AAA credit ratings as well, potentially raising the cost of borrowing for schools, roads and parks.

But the exact impact of the downgrade won’t be known until at least Sunday night, when Asian markets open, and perhaps not fully grasped for months. Analysts say the initial effect on the markets may be modest because they have been anticipating an S&P downgrade for weeks.

Federal officials are also examining the impact of a downgrade in large but esoteric financial markets where U.S. government bonds serve an extremely important function. They were generally confident that markets would hold up, but were closely monitoring the situation. Regulators said that the downgrade would not affect how banking rules treat Treasury bonds — as risk-free assets.

The ratings action immediately fueled partisan wrangling Friday night. Allies to Obama said it underscored his call for a “grand bargain” that would trim $4 trillion from the federal budget involving a mix of tax revenues and spending cuts.

Republicans criticized Obama’s handling of the economy.

“Standard & Poor’s rating downgrade is a deeply troubling indicator of our country’s decline under President Obama,” said Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

S&P has angered government officials with aggressive warnings over the past few months of a potential downgrade. Those warnings, so far, have not worried government bond markets.

What’s more, the two other major credit rating companies, Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings, have said they would preserve the nation’s AAA rating for now.

S&P’s downgrade was as much a political critique as a financial conclusion. It is based on a view that American political leaders would be unable to come up with at least $4 trillion in savings, which is needed to bring the nation’s debt to a manageable level over the next decade.

The debt deal swung earlier this week proposed spending cuts in two phases. Democrats and Republicans agreed to the first round, worth nearly $1 trillion. But a Congressional committee must decide the remaining $1.2 trillion to $1.5 trillion — and S&P questioned whether that would ever happen.

S&P added that it expects that the upper income Bush-era tax cuts will continue, despite vows from Obama to end the breaks next year.

“The majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues,” the firm said.

S&P’s downgrade served as an indictment of the gridlock that sent the nation to the edge of defaulting on its debt obligations. It is also striking in part because it reflects the tremendous power of a small group of financial analysts employed by a New York company — part of McGraw-Hill. In Europe, political leaders have taken aim at credit rating companies when they cut the ratings of governments struggling with heavy debt burdens.

S&P said the nation could suffer additional downgrades later on if the nation’s debt burden grows worse. “A new political consensus might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 election, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher,” the firm said.

The company said the United States’ financial position was diverging from that of other AAA countries, including Canada, France, Germany and the United Kingdom. The firm made clear there is little likelihood of the United States regaining its AAA rating in coming years.

Countries with a AA+ rating include New Zealand and Belgium. Among those countries with a AA rating, one notch lower, are Bermuda, Spain, and Qatar.

Staff writers Neil Irwin and Cezary Podkul contributed to this report
 
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OK, back to my argument, Can someone list an economic policy "change" taken by the Obama admin. that has put us on the road to recovery?

3 B T!


OK, back to my argument.



Is It In The Best Interest Of The GOP/Libertarians For Them To Sabotage the Economy?

Hell fuck'in yes!!!!!
 
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both pauls are republicans.

It's not in the best interest of the republican constituency but apparently they feel it is in the best political interest of the republican party to do everything possible to hinder recovery. While the private sector has been gaining jobs for well over a year, the public sector has been shedding jobs at a faster rate and it was republicans leading the charge to cut aid to states, forcing them to have massive layoffs.
It was the republicans who were most vocal about not making loans to gm and chrysler. Not out of some philosophical stance about private industry and big government but to destroy the automaker unions. Those two companies sudden collapse would have had a huge effect nationwide, not just in michigan.
The most important thing to them right now is defeating barack obama, the rest of the country be damned.



the most important thing to them right now is defeating barack obama, the rest of the country be damned.



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