At this rate he'll have that beat by this time next year.
THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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At this rate he'll have that beat by this time next year.
R-TRUTH GETS HIS ASS WHIPPED BY ORTON & HENRY GETS PUNKED BY SHEAMUS
All hail the HHH Era... Looks like no black people gonna get a decent push no time soon!
All hail the HHH Era... Looks like no black people gonna get a decent push no time soon!
yeah I read them too, I guess Sheamus is a face now ?????? And the big push Mark Henry was having has came to a screaching halt.All we need now is for Drew McIntyre to suddenly get some tv time,speaking of which, they dont know what the fuck to do Zack Ryder it seems.
http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/239593-so-what-was-the-point
So, What Was The Point?
by Mark Madden
July 26, 2011
When Brian Pillman did his worked shoot in 1996, it lasted MONTHS. Pillman bounced from WCW to ECW to WWE, legitimately double-crossing WCW. Eric Bischoff had fired Pillman assuming he’d come back. He didn’t.
C.M. Punk left WWE for two weeks.
So, what was the point?
Oh, Punk and Cena had a cute staredown at the end of Raw. But Punk has clearly been reestablished as just another WWE guy. The absence of Punk’s title didn’t make WWE sweat, not even for two weeks. They just crowned another champ, then passed the belt right back to John Cena. Now Punk and Cena have a UFC-style real champ vs. interim champ unification match at SummerSlam. Cena wins, then heads for WrestleMania and The Rock.
Punk? Maybe he turns babyface and becomes the new Steve Austin, the anti-authoritarian. Or maybe he drops back down to the mid-card.
But how does Punk remain anti-authoritarian? Vince McMahon is gone, and the doofus son-in-law fixed a lot of the crap Punk bitched about.
I hope Punk came back for the money, because I’m praying he wasn’t stupid enough to fall for the promises. But I have my fears. Smarter people than Punk have been set up, blinded to some degree by their own brilliance (and BS).
If Raw’s rating drops, who gets blamed? Not Triple H. Original plans called for Trips to pedigree Punk. Why? Because Triple H is a REAL star. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Nobody ever wants to let an angle marinate. Just hot-shot for TV. Hot-shot for the pay-per-view. Punk should have been gone for MONTHS. The title should have been gone for MONTHS. The belt would have gained credibility by its absence. Instead, it’s just another prop. Memo to bookers: You BUILD ratings. You don't SEIZE ratings.
Fire Vince? The WWE board should have fired EVERYBODY.
So, What Was The Point?
by Mark Madden
July 26, 2011
When Brian Pillman did his worked shoot in 1996, it lasted MONTHS. Pillman bounced from WCW to ECW to WWE, legitimately double-crossing WCW. Eric Bischoff had fired Pillman assuming he’d come back. He didn’t.
C.M. Punk left WWE for two weeks.
So, what was the point?
Oh, Punk and Cena had a cute staredown at the end of Raw. But Punk has clearly been reestablished as just another WWE guy. The absence of Punk’s title didn’t make WWE sweat, not even for two weeks. They just crowned another champ, then passed the belt right back to John Cena. Now Punk and Cena have a UFC-style real champ vs. interim champ unification match at SummerSlam. Cena wins, then heads for WrestleMania and The Rock.
Punk? Maybe he turns babyface and becomes the new Steve Austin, the anti-authoritarian. Or maybe he drops back down to the mid-card.
But how does Punk remain anti-authoritarian? Vince McMahon is gone, and the doofus son-in-law fixed a lot of the crap Punk bitched about.
I hope Punk came back for the money, because I’m praying he wasn’t stupid enough to fall for the promises. But I have my fears. Smarter people than Punk have been set up, blinded to some degree by their own brilliance (and BS).
If Raw’s rating drops, who gets blamed? Not Triple H. Original plans called for Trips to pedigree Punk. Why? Because Triple H is a REAL star. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
Nobody ever wants to let an angle marinate. Just hot-shot for TV. Hot-shot for the pay-per-view. Punk should have been gone for MONTHS. The title should have been gone for MONTHS. The belt would have gained credibility by its absence. Instead, it’s just another prop. Memo to bookers: You BUILD ratings. You don't SEIZE ratings.
Fire Vince? The WWE board should have fired EVERYBODY.
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I can't agree with that article more. The whole angle was really a waste if Punk wasn't going to stay away for a couple of months. WWE has been rushing and hot shoting over rivalries and angles all year long. Taker never got any payback on Nexus. Barrett just stepped aside for Punk to take over Nexus. Vince let Nexus whoop his ass then came back to announce Rock was hosting WM. Now Punks misses a week from Raw and he's back.
I can't agree with that article more. The whole angle was really a waste if Punk wasn't going to stay away for a couple of months. WWE has been rushing and hot shoting over rivalries and angles all year long. Taker never got any payback on Nexus. Barrett just stepped aside for Punk to take over Nexus. Vince let Nexus whoop his ass then came back to announce Rock was hosting WM. Now Punks misses a week from Raw and he's back.
I agree that the secondary titles are overlooked and Rey would be great to bring interest back to them since he's one of the most popular talents on the roster. But he is a main event level guy and was the face and heart of Smackdown. Since he's in his last few good years, he should be used to elevate and/or legitimize guys like Miz and Swagger and McIntyre.
Where on earth did you hear that? Austin is retired for the same reason Edge is: injuries. He's done. He dishes out some stunners and some "Hell Yeah"s and that's it. If he was going to come back, it would be against Miz, the heel WWE management is really behind.
That's not it at all. I do think some of the Cena stuff is overblown at times and I've said so but the criticisms are legit. His matches are predictable and he does a bad job of selling way too often. I know it's not all his fault and the fault of the writers who book him as SuperCena but he has a lot of freedom in his matches and he doesn't have to be so repetitive, something Chavo Guerrero pointed out. Every wrestler has his favorite moves and spots, the trick is to mix them up so you don't wrestle the same match over and over again.
That's the problem with management, not Edge. Edge wasn't pushed as "invincible" like Cena so he lost and was only pushed as dominant as a heel. But Edge is more accepted than Cena because he's a better wrestler (in ring and promos) and he wasn't pushed as hard.
Dude left, quit and is back in two weeks. That killed all the build. Now how will they ever get that kind of angle over again if fans feel it doesn't mean shit? They could have at least built it up for Survivor Series, another tent pole ppv for the company. They have plenty to do for SummerSlam and could have saved Cena and Rey for that and let Rey have a couple weeks of a title reign.
I don't know about Kofi being WWE champ but he's past due for at least having a WWE title program, just to see how he did at that level. The crowds got behind him huge during his feud with Orton and he still gets big pops and has good to great matches but the clock is ticking on him.
I don't see how reworking his gimmick would help him. It's already reworked by having him drop the Jamaican (Ja-Fake-in) accent. Truth is good in his role but they need to cut down on the comedy if they ever want to put him in a money position again.
You are misjudging Zack Ryder's budding popularity. Reading live notes from Smackdown last night and he got huge responses from the live crowd.
I do think by having him work with Cole, still one of their hottest heels, is part of the buildup, so I agree with you on that.
Agreed. While exciting and eventful, that Raw looked like a Vince Russo booked show with all the hotshotting.
All hail the HHH Era... Looks like no black people gonna get a decent push no time soon!
HHH isn't really in charge let, so don't blame him. I sadly don't expect to see a black WWE/World Champion anytime soon. Booker T will be the last brother to get the strap unless they're force to push Kofi because of someone's injury. I belive Bobby Lashley would have gotten one of the titles eventually but he bolted on them.
BTW was Ron Simmons the first black world champion, because I remember him saying that back in the day.
Just to see if the list is longer of guys who have held a title.
Rock
Ron Simmons
Dlo Brown
Godfather
Koko B Ware ( Was it the late 80's or early 90's when he was IC champ )
Ahmed Johnson
Kofi
Mark Henry
Zeke
Booker T
Lashley
Shelton Benjamin
I'm I forgetting someone?
I wanted to make sure his name wasnt on here cause 1 thing I hate to do is make a mistake and have yall run me down about it but you did forget a big one:
Butch Reed - My favorite black wrestler of the 1980's. Known in the territories as "Hacksaw"(sorry Jim Duggan Reed deserves the title more). Terrible "Natural" gimmick in his WWF stint. He was a respected star in Mid South, Central States, Florida, and Georgia.
Tony Atlas - was over with the fans and he is one of the few wrestlers in history to get clean pins over Hogan. Atlas was badly underutilized by the WWF. Sure he was tag champs with Rocky Johnson, but behind the scenes they did not get along and only defended the tag title like 2 or 3 times. As a singles competitor Atlas was never even given an IC title reign.
Rocky Johnson - father of the Rock, was over with WWF fans before the 1984 Rock and Wrestling explosion. He was never given a singles title either. He had to compete with face time with the likes of Snuka, Andre, Bob Backlund, and Ivan Putski.
Kamala - most feared black heel not named Abdullah. Nuff said. He was not championship material but he should of had some titles. Was a successful monster heel world wide though.
Koko B Ware never held a WWF title. He was a successful tag and singles wrestler in Southern territories but never a champion in WWF.
Random post. This was NWA vs. WWF back in the day. Bob Backlund WWF champ and Ric Flair NWA champ. Had a match in Atlanta but no one has any footage of it
. This video was a promo for the match.
This next video is very random. This was long before Booker called Hogan a nigga. Mr. Fuji
. This video was a promo for the match.This next video is very random. This was long before Booker called Hogan a nigga. Mr. Fuji
Just read the spoilers for smackdown
R-TRUTH GETS HIS ASS WHIPPED BY ORTON & HENRY GETS PUNKED BY SHEAMUS
wait i thought r truth was on Raw..?
wait i thought r truth was on Raw..?
he still is, he just made a special appearance on Smackdown Tuesday night.
Random post. This was NWA vs. WWF back in the day. Bob Backlund WWF champ and Ric Flair NWA champ. Had a match in Atlanta but no one has any footage of it
This next video is very random. This was long before Booker called Hogan a nigga. Mr. Fuji
Backlund was the truth in the ring but Flair had to hold back to not eat him up on the mic.
That was the last NWA/WWF unification bout ever.
c/s wwe was getting free press from everyone from ESPN, Colin Cowherd, and Bill Simmons after the Punk angle first started. They were getting praises from former wrestlers and even wrestlers in TNA, and in a months time they have fucked up this whole thing. Summerslam will come and go and that'll be the end of Punk's push
WWE suckered all of us thinking that Punk was really going to leave and take the title to other promotions. Would have been nice if WWE & ROH had some type of agreement like they had with ECW. Punk could go and work matches at ROH and talk shit about being the true champ and still be one of the top talk about guys in the bussiness. What a waste of something that could had been epic.
SPOILER: CM PUNK-WWE UPDATE
by Dave Scherer @ 3:51 PM on 7/27/2011
Chris Denker sent along this note from last night's Smackdown taping. ... During HHH's in-ring promo he stated specifically that he had "re-signed Punk late Monday night".
They really should have let him be off tv for two months while building up Cena as the (interim) WWE champ.
by Dave Scherer @ 3:51 PM on 7/27/2011
Chris Denker sent along this note from last night's Smackdown taping. ... During HHH's in-ring promo he stated specifically that he had "re-signed Punk late Monday night".
They really should have let him be off tv for two months while building up Cena as the (interim) WWE champ.
Henry will probably whoop Sheamus' ass next week.Even HHH is his heyday would back away from a fight but then he'd get the jump and whoop the faces ass soon after.McIntyre should get some TV time.He's a solid wrestler but he shouldn't be shoved down our throats.I think that they're doing what they're doing with Zack Ryder mainly to get his personality over rather than getting him over in the ring.It's not stupid considering that he's gotten over thus far with his Youtube videos that showcase his personality first and foremost.
The smartest thing they could do is have Punk not only win at Summerslam but win cleanly.Cena doesn't need the title,he doesn't the win either.The same people who cheer him and buy his merchandise will continue to do so.Let him move on to some feuds without the title and let having the title and a solid run elevate Punk at the same time eventually bringing in some of his people(Cabana and the Kings of Wrestling) to be solid additions to the roster and get over initially by being affiliated with Punk.Eventually what they bring to the table will take care of the rest.
Kinda fucked up they just sent him to Smackdown for a night to get his ass whooped.
That original plan is one of the dumbest things I've read in relation to a planned storyline in awhile.They can still have Punk and HHH feud but that proposed plan would cut Punk's legs out plus it's too close to how his first title reign ended.
The horsemen want's no part of robocop
Yeah, I play that...great career mode and I love how you can do whatever during the entrance and end of the matches.
I was really hoping the revamping would include them going to real time physics. Since they were going for this whole rebuildig stage supposedly.
I was really hoping the revamping would include them going to real time physics. Since they were going for this whole rebuildig stage supposedly.
The sad thing about this skit is that the kid spelled exactly what happened on Monday lol
