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I read that she had gotten pregnant but had a miscarriage and then depression as her reasons for the weight gain.
On September 10, 2010, Fletcher married her new boyfriend, Mike Farole, 31, in a Las Vegas wedding. Fletcher announced in February 2011 that the couple was expecting their first child together. On March 9, 2011, Fletcher announced that she had suffered a miscarriage 14 weeks into her pregnancy.
They can say cena is great all they want to but calling out Rock is stupid, rating have never been worse attendance is down and the titles have never meant less yet somehow it's Rock's fault for not being there. Cena is selling a lot of shirts but he's not selling the product, it also doesn't help when you proclaim him as big as Rock Austin & Hogan and he gets this kind of response on an iconic tv series
Now ratings are pretty stable and attendance is up, it's ppvs that are lagging.
I don't think anyone is blaming Rock for shitty booking or poor ppv buyrates but the way he's been pushed has been total bullshit. As I was saying when it was happening, you don't let an outsider or an older name come in and dismantle your top guy but they did. So while that's purely on WWE Creative, the boys are doing the right thing by sticking up for one of their own. Like him or not, they're Cena's locker room and they are, and should be, sticking by their guy.
This is too much like McMahon and Co being the puppetmasters and getting all this backstage heat on Rock when it's really them and their incompetence. Hell, instead of telling us a year out what the main event for Mania will be, spend that time building up Sheamus, Wade, McIntyre so that they can be main event guys. Now, everything just looks to be in a holding pattern until January.
Well compared to Cena and Orton, that muthafucka got some rangeHe got the fuck outta WWE Films where they basically have the wrestler play the same character they do on TV except in a movie. Like when they had Kane as a monster or Big Show as a big goofy kid.
I can't see Cena playing anything other than "the serious hero" or "the goofy hero", the two dudes he plays on Raw every week. And Orton, I don't know what the fuck Orton is.
Orton's getting good reviews for his performance in their last film (where he's not the star, btw) so there might be something there. If it is, he won't be wasting time with WWE Films and their straight to dvd movies.
As for ortons acting his reviews are like that old saying "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
I remember Hogan walking into summerslam with a 400k pay day against HBK, and yet you didn't hear people come out every night and trash the guy. It just seems like this new era of wrestlers are nothing more then a group of whiny bitches. I still say if given the opportunity they would do what rock did because it was smart business. Rock did everything there was to do and he left on a high (Hollywood Rock was greatness), but look at the ones who stayed too long (Hogan,Flair) flair is a legend but the lasting image of him is a 60+ man getting stripped down to his socks and taking bumps. Rock's going to live to be 90 years old probably while all these guys who "love the business" will crap out at 55 because they didn't know when to walk away.
Finally i will reinstate that it makes me sick to see Stone Cold heralded as this great legend when he walked out on the company while still employed, yet Rock is the villian because he refuses to show up every week even though he's retired.
Austin left because he stayed way too damn long than he was supposed to. His neck was fucked up since that botched Owen Hart piledriver back in the day. He was on that Edge countdown til being comepletely crippled. So please don't put Austin the same category as Rock, Austin is hands down the biggest draw in the WWF/WWE universe. The WWF Attitude era is defined by one name...Austin.
The Rock was always second to him, but niggas who gotta throw in race try to make it the other way. Austin may not be a huge actor or anything, but nobody can take away his impact to wrestling, Austin by himself won the monday night wars for WWF. Now don't get me wrong having niggas like Rock, HHH, and others on the undercard was great too.
I take pride in Rock being a champ but yall niggas need to recognise that dude IMHO doesn't even want to consider himself "colored". Thats just the vibe I always got off of him.
No input, just cheesey gifs? Fail
Oh ok you want input gotcha. I won't compare Rock who by the way was not under conntract anymore because vince let it expire, to a guy who by the way was under contract decided to leave without the decency to tell his boss or peers for that matter that he'd had enough.And to the people who say he left because of injury, he admitted in a radio interview & wwe magazine that he was unhappy with the direction the company was going. It would be irresponsible of me to compare Rock to the so called toughest SOB in the wwe, my bad. As far as questioning his mindset of color, if your argument is you got a vibe off of him then that is a fail.
First things first, like I said and what has been reported by numerous sources as well as Austin himself is that his neck was fucked up since that botched piledriver, he was on borrowed time! Look it up cuz, IDK where he admitted "he had enough" but there's a reason dude ain't been in the ring for god knows how long and continues to say he only has one good match left in him, and that's because of his injury, I heard the dude say it himself on Real Audio Wrestling on sirius.
Now to the rock, I never bashed dude for leaving the WWE, hell, if it was me I'd dip too. The WWE is a fucking circius, Vince uses the shit out of those guys and sends them those "Future endeavors" slips. So if Rock could get money outside of wrestling then I'm in his corner.
I ain't never seen the rock passout in the middle of the ring due to too much blood lost. I never seen him finish a match damn near crippled, I never saw him deal with a career threatening injury for almost 10 years before calling it quits, twin fucked up knees still giving 5 star matches on network tv, I never saw him carry WWE by himself, and you know it's true...
The Rock was a great character, and entertainer but he was never the face of WWF, when Austin left it was Rock 1a HHH 1b, and then he left. I never really jumped on his case because he did what he was supposed to do and left gracefully.
Now tell me, honest answer, did Austin or did Austin not carry the WWF through the entire "Attitude" era? Which is hands down the best era of wrestling.
Oh and the color thing is just my honest opinion, I hate when dude is in movies and is voicing a white astronaut, playing lovey dovey with a white chick, basically playing a white man. It's just something that I never got about him, I don't hate on niggas getting paid but he damn near a sellout.
And it wasn't Austin putting in bold print that he didn't want to be known as the character that made him famous, disconnecting himself from the sport and it's fans....now who was that again???
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Im not discounting Austin being broken down as a factor but you don't up and quit without giving them notice beforehand. Austin carried the AA by himself are you fucking serious unless the AA started and ended in 98 then you might have a point, but Rock was clearly just as big during that time and by 2000 had completely eclipsed Austin. Also since when does severe blood loss and possible paralysis constitute heart, Rock never had that because he was lucky but dude lost plenty of blood during his run. As far as saying rock was 1a and hhh was 1b your right except hhh was a distant 1b. Finally Rock said he was dropping the name to be taken more seriously as an actor, he also said fans were more than welcome to continue calling him The Rock if they wanted to so that statement was altered to suit your argument. Now do you have anything else to add?
Nigga you sound like a straight Rock stan right now, when in the fuck did the rock become bigger in wrestling than Austin?!? Austin was always the better of the two, get real nigga when Rock was sucking at Farooq's tit grasping for the IC title Austin was selling out shows, pushing merchandise, and being the face of WWE. When Rock finally got pushed who was the one they had him against?? AUSTIN NIGGA!! Austin was that fucking company back then off a character the HE FUCKING CREATED! Austin was to the WWF what Cena is times 10! Why? Because people actually fucking liked him! He busted his ass for the WWF, Austin started the fucking Attitude era nigga...did you even watch?? Austin started that shit when he won the title back in 98 at the WM with HBK. Ain't no fucking eras named after Rock, cause Rock never carried them, all the Rock was as a main eventer was stand in Austins shadow even when SCSA was injured. That WM without Austin was a shitty mainevent.
I'll put it like this Austin is in recordbooks as far as merchandise and ticketsales are concerned. Austin sold WWF more shit than anyone not named Hogan. Austin/McMahon is one of the most notorious feuds ever in the WWF, same with Austin/hart, Austin/Rock, Austin/Hart foundation, the rock never had any great feuds outside of Austin and maybe HHH.
Idk, man you obviously like Rock and we both have different opinions but Austin carried WWF while Rock wasn't shit, Rock came up and Austin was still running shit, Austin got hurt rock took it, Austin comes back and it goes right back to square one.
Dude you are talking out of your ass right now, Rock didn't have any great feuds outside of Austin? Did you not see Rock/Foley Rock/Hogan Rock/all of DX? You say im a rock stan and yet nobody is slurping Austin more than you right now, They give credit to Austin for starting the Attitude Era but it's common knowledge that DX started it in the 96-97 season. Austin sold a shit load of merchandise and ppvs but just like he helped Rock to the top Rock kept him afloat. Austin had gotten a bit stale in late 2000 just as Rock did in Late 2002 and both reinvented themselves to stay fresh, but "Hollywood Rock 03" shits on "Heel Austin 01". You act as if it was all Austin in the Attitude Era but the truth is he had a lot of help because if they didn't have a strong mid-card then they would've been shit and WCW would've killed them off sooner. And you're blaming the WM 2000 main event on Rock? How about blaming the mcmahons because that was the main focus going into the ppv.
How did Rock keep Austin afloat? DX played there part but when Austin beat HBK ass DX was nothing compared to when it was HBK/chyna/HHH. DX was there but when HHH dipped at the WM when Austin beat The Rock they was done. Austin was the top guy and Rock was fighting niggas like HHH who wasn't fully over yet.
Hollywood Rock shits on Heel Austin? Lmao, Austin in that character was nearing the end and WWF handled it completely wrong after that WM he beat Rock ass again w/Vince. They made Austin goofy and it didn't work. Saying Hollywood Rock was better is even more dumb because Rock was halfway out of the WWE at that time, everyone knew he wasn't staying especially after that shit match with Goldberg. And if you wanna talk about who had the biggest change as their characters were getting old you gotta say Austin because when he was beating the harts and jake the snakes asses he was badass, but when he got to the main event he took it to a wholenutha level. So in all reality Austin was running shit for a longer time. Rock dipped when WWF tried to make it solely about him and HHH, and that's when WWE fell off.
Rock vs DX?? That was that midcarder shit, and it was more of the Nation vs DX, or maybe even HHH vs Rock which is what I said in the first place. And please don't give me that shit with Hogan, that was the biggest shitty match ever, and it wasn't Rocks fault because Hogan sucked. Rocks a great wrestler but Austin was just better. And to be honest if Brock never left...well you know where I'm going wit that.
The Rock vs Austin to me is kinda like Kobe vs LBJ, you gonna name things that tilt towards Rock, I'll name things that tilt towards Austin....Agree to Disagree I guess.
Love the old school debate though shit reminds me of highschool...
If he's any good, he'll get more work. There's always somebody looking for a new face.
I see you and rwill having a good one, let me interject some things, hopefully it'll clear things up a little:
Austin did walk out on WWE. They wanted him to do a job on Raw (to either Jonathan Coachman or Brock Lesnar) and he thought it was stupid and a horrible idea because they didn't have any follow up planned. So he left. The injuries are why he's never wrestled again but that's not why he left in the first place.
Austin was bigger than Rock with DX right behind. Austin was Hogan while Rock was Savage. Then when Austin got hurt and was out for a long time, Rock moved into the space but they also pushed HHH up so he never had it alone like Austin (or Hogan or Michaels) did. Other than Hogan, who did Rock wrestle in main events for Mania? Austin. Austin had Michaels and would have had more but he was injured a lot.
Part of this I blame on the fact that HHH had started banging Steph and the McMahon family ate up a lot of tv time so Rock never had the spotlight all to himself to the same degree based some on politics. The Mania 2000 main event is evidence of that.
The idea that DX's heyday was HBK/HHH/Chyna just isn't right. They kicked off to a new level when they added Sean Waltman and the New Age Outlaws and it increased their presence on the show.
The Rock-Hogan match wasn't great but it was a great spectacle, much like Hogan-Warrior in the same building.
In the ring, Austin shits all over Rock.
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Im not saying Austin wasn't the top dog for the WWF, but if he hadn't had Rock to go up against then he would've gotten stale way before 2001. DX did kick it to the extreme when they added syxx and NAO, but the old DX kicked off the AE imo. Bringing up the fact that they pushed HHH with Rock kind of proves my point since Rock clearly outshined him, hell foley even outshined him during the boom period. If you go by Mania main events the outside of Hart & Michaels Rock was the only person SCSA faced. As far as orton getting other acting gigs unless vince starts donating generously to movie studios, orton will be stuck in badly made wwe films for years to come.Speaking of Orton
Who's stupid now?
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I got busy and distracted and when I came back, ya'll off and running.
As far as DX kicking off AE, I have to disagree. That goes to Austin and Bret. Austin got it going with "Austin 3:16" at King of the Ring and then it really got going once he and Bret were feuding with the Mania match with the double turn as kind of the starting point. By the time Michaels and HHH even formed DX, Austin was the top face coming off the Hart feud. DX didn't form until Shawn's heel turn (which pissed Bret off so bad that he turned so soon after Bret, stealing Bret's thunder again) until SummerSlam 97, the night Austin got his neck broken.
I wouldn't include Hart-Austin as a main event, it was just the best match.
Rock and Foley definitely outshined HHH during those hot years. It's no accident that his best years were after Rock and Austin became part timers. But WWE was pushing him (and to a lesser extent Kurt Angle) hard, forcing Rock to share in a way that Austin didn't have to. Rock was on top like Bret, sharing the position while Austin was like Hogan, the undisputed top guy.
Don't throw Randy under the bus so fast. Did anyone of us look at Rocky Maivia with those sideburns and S-curl and go "That boy is going to be a movie star!".
Speaking of Orton
Who's stupid now?
I saw that this morning. South Africans were gettting them. If I ever go, I'm bringing strictly carry-on.
orton would probably be getting roles like the"ladies man who is a serial killler" or worse,a white supremacist
orton would probably be getting roles like the"ladies man who is a serial killler" or worse,a white supremacist
That shit worked for Christian Bale.
orton would probably be getting roles like the"ladies man who is a serial killler" or worse,a white supremacist
Too late
come to think of it wwe films shouldve expanded their film library when they first
started.. couldve had,say, r truth playing a crazed priest"..and the Lord said that the TRUTH will set you all FREE!!",beth phoenix or vickie guerrero in one of those""obsessed female stalker"roles,etc
Creative Idea For Zack Ryder – New Faction
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
– There was an idea pitched at a creative meeting several weeks ago where someone suggested that they put Zack Ryder in a new faction alongside WWE Tag Team Champions David Otunga and Michael McGillicutty. This all depends on CM Punk’s WWE future and whether or not they decide to kill off the Nexus once/if he leaves.
Mason Ryan To Debut New Gimmick?
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
– Mason Ryan is expected to be repackaged upon returning to WWE. There has been talk that he’ll be used in a bodyguard role, possibly for The Miz or Alberto Del Rio.
How fucked would WWE be if the Rock pulled out of WM. Management really need to tell their talent to shut the fuck up about speaking out about their issues on the Rock. He's single handedly is selling two back to back ppv's. Main event talent needs to take up thier problems with the company and stop being bitches.
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
– There was an idea pitched at a creative meeting several weeks ago where someone suggested that they put Zack Ryder in a new faction alongside WWE Tag Team Champions David Otunga and Michael McGillicutty. This all depends on CM Punk’s WWE future and whether or not they decide to kill off the Nexus once/if he leaves.
Mason Ryan To Debut New Gimmick?
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
– Mason Ryan is expected to be repackaged upon returning to WWE. There has been talk that he’ll be used in a bodyguard role, possibly for The Miz or Alberto Del Rio.
How fucked would WWE be if the Rock pulled out of WM. Management really need to tell their talent to shut the fuck up about speaking out about their issues on the Rock. He's single handedly is selling two back to back ppv's. Main event talent needs to take up thier problems with the company and stop being bitches.
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Damn, Nexus was a good idea and it's a shame that they've fucked it up. WWE just told GLAAD that Punk was leaving this summer so he's probably done.
I knew it was bad for the Nexus guys since they weren't moving them away from Punk in the last few weeks. He should be passing leadership to Otunga or bringing in somebody else to take his place just to keep the group going.
Ryan is out? I missed it. He should have been a bodyguard first anyway. He looks like Batista, so start him off like they did Big Dave: hanging around veterans. It was impressive the way they put him over Kane and Big Show but way too early and they were doing the same thing with Ezekiel Jackson on SD. He's too green to be used prominently so slow him down.
Rock isn't going anywhere. He already had heat with Cena over comments and still came in so this isn't going to run him away now. He and Cena are supposed to be enemies so let Cena say what he wants. Rock's still going to cash a seven figure check for Mania next year.
And you have to know Cena has management's permission to do this. That guy is a company man and it's all part of keeping attention pointed toward Mania next year.
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Rock and Foley definitely outshined HHH during those hot years. It's no accident that his best years were after Rock and Austin became part timers. But WWE was pushing him (and to a lesser extent Kurt Angle) hard, forcing Rock to share in a way that Austin didn't have to. Rock was on top like Bret, sharing the position while Austin was like Hogan, the undisputed top guy.
Don't throw Randy under the bus so fast. Did anyone of us look at Rocky Maivia with those sideburns and S-curl and go "That boy is going to be a movie star!".
That's my whole point, Rock had to share and was still hottest name in wrestling whereas Austin had it all to himself. The Rock & SCSA are both legends but when people make it seem like it was just Austin and no one else that's what makes me
When rock had the S-Curl that was funny but unlike orton Rock never had consecutive years of boring promos & matches. Ortons only entertaing in radio interviews where he can bring other peoples issues up because he's boring by himself.
I agree, He was there and no one had shit to say then but now that he's a thousand miles away they can't help themselves.
Cena is suppose to sell the ppv but imo him constantly bitching about Rock will make people tune out sooner rather than later. The problem with booking a match a year in advance is you have to keep talking about it to the point of people being sick of it. This whole "im here he's not" makes no sense, I mena dude is retired so why would he appear on raw every week & house shows. Finally it's like with cena you want to say 'Of course you're here dumbass!! You're still under contract it's you're job"
. That's like parents wanting credit for taking care of their kids.I think yall putting too much into this Cena thing. Cena is clearly working the crowd and talking shit to boost the feud. It's no different than ppl thinking that that whole CM Punk thing was totally a shoot. WWE would've straight cut him off the air if he was taking a promo too far, in fear of the kiddies. Cena and Rock been made up and it's no different than when Rock talks shit about Cena on Twitter for no reason.
@Upgrade, you hit it right on the head with that comparison of Austin to Hogan and Rock to Savage. The Rock was great but he was never more over than SCSA.
And lets drop Mania out of the question because lets be real here besided Taker no superstar actually makes it to more than 8 manias baring injury or time off. So to point out the lack of Mania mainevent opponents besides Rock, and HBK Austin had is kinda a bad question. Just look at how many great storylines he had in that era.
Hart
Pillman
Rock
DX
HBK
McMahon
Foley/Dude love
Corporation
NWO
Vega
Ministry
Corp. Ministry
Kane
Nation
HHH
Angle
Too many to name...
And I haven't even listed the one person that had great chemistry with SCSA, and who had a better feud with him than anyone....Austin vs Taker!!
It's too lopsided in Austins favor, no one besides Hogan and maybe Cena one day (when creative learns to use him right) can touch Austin from 3:16 to retirement.
Wait. Bringing him back as a bodyguard counts as repackaging him.
So what is he now????
That's my whole point, Rock had to share and was still hottest name in wrestling whereas Austin had it all to himself. The Rock & SCSA are both legends but when people make it seem like it was just Austin and no one else that's what makes me
When rock had the S-Curl that was funny but unlike orton Rock never had consecutive years of boring promos & matches. Ortons only entertaing in radio interviews where he can bring other peoples issues up because he's boring by himself.
I agree, He was there and no one had shit to say then but now that he's a thousand miles away they can't help themselves.
Cena is suppose to sell the ppv but imo him constantly bitching about Rock will make people tune out sooner rather than later. The problem with booking a match a year in advance is you have to keep talking about it to the point of people being sick of it. This whole "im here he's not" makes no sense, I mena dude is retired so why would he appear on raw every week & house shows. Finally it's like with cena you want to say 'Of course you're here dumbass!! You're still under contract it's you're job"
I completly agree, SCSA was great but it takes two to put on a great match and carry a great feud and that's where Taker and Rock fit in. Back then WWF creative was the best, but they feel off. The Rock was a victim of HHH fucking his way to the top and yeah he could've been the top guy but Austin was always there, even when they made Austin a heel he was still taking the spotlight from Rock and HHH.
Rock was in a class of his own back then with micwork, but Austin wasn't a slouch either. The Rock had his time when HHH's roids were kicking in and he was hurt left and right but WWE wanted to push Brock to the top. So, yeah to say Rock never carried the WWF is a fair statment imho, but Rock was at his best with Austin there because you could tell the two had good chemistry. There was something always off about HHH vs Rock to me and come to find out it was because he never liked him.
You're right on Orton though, he's gotten very stale. The whole psycho thing was great at first but now it's like WWE doesn't know where to go from there. Just like with babyface Cena, they can't put him in the right spot to re-invent his character. HHH did it, Taker did it, Austin did it, so did HBK and Rock. But now it's too dumbed down for the kids they forget that there are adults bringing them to the show.
Ortons micwork sucks, and so does Cena's until he loses and then his micskills are great for some reason. The only guys in the E with mic skills are Punk (in a class of his own), Miz, Truth (got a whole lot better, Sheamus (when they give it to him), and Christian.
I pray they don't drop the ball with Henry though, he could be a beast for them.
Wait. Bringing him back as a bodyguard counts as repackaging him.
So what is he now????
lol...a fake batista
That's my whole point, Rock had to share and was still hottest name in wrestling whereas Austin had it all to himself. The Rock & SCSA are both legends but when people make it seem like it was just Austin and no one else that's what makes me
Agreed.
Orton can be very entertaining but he's not doing it as "The Viper". Unfortunately, he hampered by a creative staff that wants him to play their character and not bring more of himself to the show. Rock, Austin, and HHH didn't have this handicap.
Rock didn't have consecutive years as "The Rock" but Rocky Maivia was dishwater dull.
Cena is suppose to sell the ppv but imo him constantly bitching about Rock will make people tune out sooner rather than later. The problem with booking a match a year in advance is you have to keep talking about it to the point of people being sick of it. This whole "im here he's not" makes no sense, I mena dude is retired so why would he appear on raw every week & house shows. Finally it's like with cena you want to say 'Of course you're here dumbass!! You're still under contract it's you're job"
You're looking at from a "smart fan" perspective and that's not who they're talking to by constantly talking about Rock. They know we're going to watch the show anyway. This keeps it out there for casual fans in hopes of keeping some of them around. You're right, this is one of the problems with announcing your main event a year in advance, particularly when one of your participants doesn't work for the company.
If WWE didn't want this stuff to get out, it wouldn't be on YouTube. They're very good with snatching stuff down when they want to keep it under wraps.
I'm going to attack your list a little bit. I don't think his feud with Taker was that good. It was good but not better than the one with Hart.
His feud with Pillman never got off the ground because Brian was still hurt.
The nWo wasn't very good and neither was the one with Kurt Angle when Austin was the heel and Angle the face.
Kane was a good one. I bought King of the Ring that year to see how Austin vs Kane-first blood, title on the line, if Kane lost he would set himself on fire, was going to turn out.
The HHH feud was pretty good and he put Hunter over and helped make him a real star.
The Savio Vega feud is underrated but that was more of him as "The Ringmaster" than SCSA. I was surprised they didn't go back to that at least for a couple good matchs on Raw since Vega beat him so often.
I do not remember him feuding with the Nation really. I saw it as him against the Rock when Rock was leading the Nation but not him against the group in the way Dusty used to feud with the Horsemen.
Each of these guys did it on their own and Orton's going to have to do that, same with Cena. I get Cena not knowing he needs to take the reins but Orton was raised in the business, he should see how they're holding him back. But I guess as long as he's main eventing and getting big pops, he's not going to complain.
I like Mark but since he's been pretty open about retiring in a couple years (or when his contract runs out), I see them building him up to put someone else over, like they're doing now with Punk and that's smart business.
Kharma is a bitch because now HHH is always seen as the other guy, Rock & HHH had very good chemistry, but it always seemed like HHH was trying to prove Rock didn't belong while Rock kept showing people HHH was not close to being his equal and HHH is actually an all around performer. Rock & Austin just had that shit you just can't manufacture(Rock & Cena), as for Henry there's no way they will let a black wrestler look dominate for long
Kharma is a bitch because now HHH is always seen as the other guy, Rock & HHH had very good chemistry, but it always seemed like HHH was trying to prove Rock didn't belong while Rock kept showing people HHH was not close to being his equal and HHH is actually an all around performer. Rock & Austin just had that shit you just can't manufacture(Rock & Cena), as for Henry there's no way they will let a black wrestler look dominate for long
You mean "karma" right? I thought you was talking about my girl. Kharma is my wife's favorite wrestler and she doesn't like wrestling.
I thought Rock and HHH would headline Mania one day together but it never happened. Rock and Austin did have that Hogan-Savage, to go to them again, chemistry but I thought Rock and HHH could have been Flair-Steamboat for the new WWF generation (not in ability but in working together and always having good matches).
Come on dog, the backstage beatdowns, Austin attacking Pillmans trailer park home, flushing pillmans head in the toilet, pillman ringing the bell when Austin had Taker beat at the ppv. That feud was great, it's all on that old SCSA "cuz stone cold said so" tape.
And Highway to hell summerslam was the shit, Austin vs Taker and Kane at No way out (I think), Austin getting hung by Taker on that cross?!? Classic.
I'll give you the Angle one because both characters were mad cheesey at that point (Angle was a dork, and Austin was playin love songs to Vince on a guitar) but the in-ring work was good. (Angle is one of the best wrestlers EVER IMHO).
Yeah, I might be mistaken on the Nation, but I remember Austin stunning D-Lo and Henry, and beating Godfathers ass to get to Rock so yeah it's more Austin vs Rock than the Nation.
I was a big SCSA fan so remember most of them all. Call me a stan I guess.....
As for Orton, he's better suited as a heel, they are trying to make him the Cena for Smackdown and that shit is horrible! Christian should be the face and Orton the villian, even though Christian can play any role because he's a great performer.
Please Jericho come back and save us from shitty tv...
