which death from The Wire affected you the most?

[jasonblacc]

exactly
they want mike to be gay so bad
and everything they point to doesn't even make someone impartial come to that conclusion
they're reading WAY too much into it
the wire wasn't about oh maybe this maybe that
if someone was gay...they showed it.
he robbed someone with another boy...
why didnt he go alone? cause he's a kid and it would be stupid to do it solo, mike was not stupid
the boy was subservient? yes because mike was the boss of the operation not because he was gay
WHENEVER MARLO started talking all the dudes including chris SHUT UP...so because they were that way to marlo that meant they were gay too right?
whenever AVON STARTED TALKING everyone shut up that means his whole crew was gay too right?
its the pecking order, the person in charge is the mouth piece in all instances, he's handling it playing his position...you hold the gun and play yours not a hard concept to grasp

when snoop said he wouldn't be like us?
really?
if you couldn't see that CLEARLY they just followed orders and didn't really give a fuck about the deserve and why...but mike analyzed everything and questioned everything and every decision then i don't know what to tell you.
he would never be one of them because he had his own mind, and in that crew marlo was the mind, everyone else was the muscle. you only gave your opinion if HE asked you for it otherwise you keep your shit to yoursel

my last post on the mike thing

lil kev got it the worst

C/S everything you said......Niggas just want gay.......Oh why was Dukie swole when Mike was smasjing that girl? Cause he was gay!! No, cause he wanted some pussy to!!!!!!.....if HBO wanted to show you gay they did.......Ever seen OZ? Now that shit you can have a gay debate about.


I also think Snoop was jealous of Mike and that why she said what she said.

 

[mrtech1200]

Proposition Joe

Joe was a business man first and foremost, a gentleman rogue, an old school playa. he was smart, efficient, and understood the consequences of rash behavior. it was very disappointing to see him go, cause with him went any hope for sensibility in that world.

I agree about Prop Joe


Bodie

He was a loyal cat, about that business

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Bodie

He was a loyal cat, about that business

shoulda never taken that ride w/ mcnulty.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Butchie!

I don't know how I forgot about Butchie. Went out for not ratting out Omar to Chris. I think he was the only character (besides Brandon) that was tortured before he was killed. Took a beating and didn't utter a word, that's loyalty right there. I didn't feel for Brandon because although he was loyal, he was stupid. But Butchie didn't do anything to Marlo and they didn't have to kill him to send a message to Omar, a beating would've been enough.

It's definitely between Bodie and Butchie, more so Butchie.

 

[godofwine]

bodie. that nigga was a survivor and a true soldier for his team.

Yeah, but going out shooting is hard, for real. Going out fighting for your life is much better than going out like a sitting duck. You see the look between Bodie and Poot? Bodie knew, and so did Poot. It was the look between two friends that had no words that said so much, even though it didn't last that long.

Chris & Snoop and Mike were strategic. They planned to kill people, and the way they did it was pretty smooth. When they killed Bodie they were decoys and Mike was the real killer. They did that shit like in Jurassic Park when the raptors killed that one dude

That Bitch that Avon tried to setup Marlo with, when Marlo killed that bitch I said this nigga is crazy for real

Marlo was just grimy. He killed just because. He shot that girl in the tits. He shot that security guard. Shooting someone who isn't even in the game is past low, man. Somebody also mentioned that delivery chick that Chris killed. Same deal, man.

When Omar talked about his code that was really when I started liking Omar. To the casual observer he was just a thug. A heartless thug. But he was much more than that. He only stole from drug dealers and he never fucked with anybody who wasn't in the game. Never. That is why the game is so corrupted now because folks have no code. How in the fuck are folks gonna label you a snitch when somebody shot you, or broke into your house and you tell? I have heard of people getting killed because of informing the police in situations like that.

 

[Count23]

C/s, but mike did not pop bodie. That was o-dog.

 

[Count23]

Oh yea fuck lil kev. By fuckin up, he caused the downfall of Randy and was indirectly responsible for bodie getting killed.

I still think the worst was the delivery woman. She had done absolutely nothin and what made it worse was that Chris helped and smiled at her before shooting.

 

[RunawaySlave]

But at the same time, his partner was subservient...when they could have had them both talking shit and being real macho...yet, lil dude never said a word, just obeyed

The scene was waaaaaaay too quick to tell what kind of tendencies the boy had but let me ask this: if that had been one of Mike's crew, say Randy for example, that was his "partner" on that robbery and he was taking the very same orders (since none of them had any experience besides Mike), would they still come off as "being gay". Not that I give a fuck, but just for the sake of argument




btw, just heard that kid O-Dog from Menace to Society was also gay....the way he was always jealous when Kane was with Jada and the way he got all emotional the first time Kane got shot and then crying when Kane got killed and shit....


HAD to be a homo

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

The stripper who od! Had nut in all 3 holes on her body.

Then was tossed in the trash like garbage,

She didn't deserve that!

 

[phatkitty]

yo iz them yo tits in that pic.....

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

The stripper who od! Had nut in all 3 holes on her body.

Then was tossed in the trash like garbage,

She didn't deserve that!

she was FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE too!

 

[moblack]

The stripper who od! Had nut in all 3 holes on her body.

Then was tossed in the trash like garbage,

She didn't deserve that!

How could Bey cheat on D'Londa like that?

 

[8/11Streetz]

Oh yea fuck lil kev. By fuckin up, he caused the downfall of Randy and was indirectly responsible for bodie getting killed.

I still think the worst was the delivery woman. She had done absolutely nothin and what made it worse was that Chris helped and smiled at her before shooting.

co sign to the fullest


she was just so happy that shit really fucked me up



Also the look on prop joes face right before he got shot in the back of the head...........it really made me think like damn how would it feel knowing your bout to die.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Thank you, we are on a forum to have differing views. Like Zipgun1 says
"But at the same time, his partner was subservient...when they could have had them both talking shit and being real macho...yet, lil dude never said a word, just obeyed"

Snoop said Mike was different just didn't fit in to their crew which is correct. Everyone agrees he makes a better stick up kid like Gay Omar. In the early clips when Omar was younger he questions why they had to rob the working man correct? Did the other cats with him not say he wasn't cut out for this gangsta shit just like snoop said about Mike???

Why would the writers make these two characters so similar? Young Omar was the smallest in his lil stick up crew but he was the leader. Mike was the leader of his crew aswell. If you ask me that's too many similarities between Mike & Omar. I am just saying the writers leave it open for speculation.

The writers made characters similar because EVERYTHING depicted in "The Wire" ALL went back to that chess game that D showed Bodie and Poot, while individuals get taken out, drop out or whatever, another one comes up to take their place.

While Michael may have been the new Omar, why exactly would his character HAVE to be gay???

Does that also mean that Sydnor, being the new McNulty, was a womanizer?

Even though I don't believe that the writers left this piece open for interpretation of course anything is possible and perhaps even feasible on some other show with poor writing however the mere fact that we were shown Omar wrapped up with each guy he was dealing with, Kima living and dealing with her life partner and even Daniels' boss in a gay bar shows us that the writers had no qualms over presenting a gay character.

For the shock value alone we would have heard a male voice coming for Michael's room when Dukie walked past, we would have seen Michael hit on Dukie when they were living together, we would have seen Michael look @ guys @ Six Flags and not talking to and holding a girl's hand.

I think the reason why so many of us are up in arms on this is because we feel that the writers went out of their way thru several episodes to present Michael's character in a certain way and because of the way his stick-up partner acted in all of 10 seconds onscreen all of that just seems to get summarily dismissed.

While I may be stirring a hornet's nest here I really don't think that you'd have as tough an arguement if you said that Bodie was gay, after all did we ever see him with a girl?

 

[bgque12]

The writers made characters similar because EVERYTHING depicted in "The Wire" ALL went back to that chess game that D showed Bodie and Poot, while individuals get taken out, drop out or whatever, another one comes up to take their place.

While Michael may have been the new Omar, why exactly would his character HAVE to be gay???

Does that also mean that Sydnor, being the new McNulty, was a womanizer?

Even though I don't believe that the writers left this piece open for interpretation of course anything is possible and perhaps even feasible on some other show with poor writing however the mere fact that we were shown Omar wrapped up with each guy he was dealing with, Kima living and dealing with her life partner and even Daniels' boss in a gay bar shows us that the writers had no qualms over presenting a gay character.

For the shock value alone we would have heard a male voice coming for Michael's room when Dukie walked past, we would have seen Michael hit on Dukie when they were living together, we would have seen Michael look @ guys @ Six Flags and not talking to and holding a girl's hand.

I think the reason why so many of us are up in arms on this is because we feel that the writers went out of their way thru several episodes to present Michael's character in a certain way and because of the way his stick-up partner acted in all of 10 seconds onscreen all of that just seems to get summarily dismissed.

While I may be stirring a hornet's nest here I really don't think that you'd have as tough an arguement if you said that Bodie was gay, after all did we ever see him with a girl?

Bodie was with his girl when him and Poot and someone else ran into Carver, Herc and the other cop that got shot coming out of the movie theater.

 

[DV8ed]

Chris & Snoop and Mike were strategic. They planned to kill people, and the way they did it was pretty smooth. When they killed Bodie they were decoys and Mike was the real killer. They did that shit like in Jurassic Park when the raptors killed that one dude

Mike didn't kill Bodie, that long faced cat that was in the warehouse training session with Chris, Snoop, and Mike was the killer.

When Omar talked about his code that was really when I started liking Omar. To the casual observer he was just a thug. A heartless thug. But he was much more than that. He only stole from drug dealers and he never fucked with anybody who wasn't in the game. Never. That is why the game is so corrupted now because folks have no code. How in the fuck are folks gonna label you a snitch when somebody shot you, or broke into your house and you tell? I have heard of people getting killed because of informing the police in situations like that.

Same here. That's why I liked Omar's character, because he was the only one in the game that lived by rules.

And for everyone that thinks that because Mike's stickup partner was subservient to him, that is proof that they are both in a gay relationship, answer this: If you plan a score, and pick the partner to hit the joint with you, do you want the partner coming in and taking charge or do you want him taking the back seat and following your lead??? And if you say follow your lead, what does that make you??? There can only be 1 leader of a crew/team.

 

[bigdaddi1314]

I saw this story and figured I would post it in the first "the wire" thread I came across.
http://www.salon.com/news/eric_hold.../feature/2011/06/01/attorney_general_the_wire
I know he can't get it done buta nigga can dream...

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder was a big fan of HBO's gritty cop show, "The Wire." So much so that he's willing to use his political power to bring it back to life ... which is just what some corrupt politician would do on "The Wire," when you think about it. Man, I know everyone loved that show so much, but people really need to let it go already (says the person who is rewatching "Lost" on the one-year anniversary of its season finale).

When three of the former cast members -- Wendell Pierce, Sonja Sohn and Jim True-Frost -- stopped by the Justice Department to talk to him about protecting children from guns and violence (because these guys couldn't get any cooler), the attorney general couldn't help himself:

"I want to speak directly to Mr. Burns and Mr. Simon: Do another season of "The Wire'," Holder said, drawing laughter and applause from the audience. "That’s actually at a minimum. … If you don’t do a season, do a movie. We’ve done HBO movies, this is a series that deserves a movie. I want another season or I want a movie. I have a lot of power Mr. Burns and Mr. Simon."

Do you hear that? That's not a damn request, McNulty, that's an order!

First thing: Does the attorney general think those actors still have secret messaging routes back to the show's creator? It's like going up to Matthew Fox and telling him that Damon Lindelof needs to get off his ass and create a finale that makes sense. (Sorry.)

Also, can I just say that Holder has no idea what he's talking about here, either. You can't just turn "The Wire" into a film willy-nilly! I mean, they haven't even been able to get "Arrested Development" off the ground yet, and that's been off the air for way longer than "The Wire."

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Bodie was with his girl when him and Poot and someone else ran into Carver, Herc and the other cop that got shot coming out of the movie theater.

You're not following this thread close enough!

Even though Michael was shown in bed with what was most likely a girl and was holding hands in Six Flags with what was definitely a girl BDB did not question Michael's sexuality but insists that the writers are depicting him as gay.

Sorry but Bodie being shown once @ the movies with a chick doesn't outweigh the fact that he's light-skinned!

(Just having fun with you now BDK!)

 

[Cock Head Jones]

the chick bodie was with could have easily been a tranny.

plus like legacy said in another thread, he's lightskin and thats 1 step away from female... so in some twisted way bodie could be a gay lesbian.

 

[cranrab]

For the shock value alone we would have heard a male voice coming for Michael's room when Dukie walked past

people's attention are drawn to the wrong thing in that scene.

it wasn't important that michael lee was having sex.

what the writers were trying to point out is that IN YET ANOTHER way, duquan was being "left behind".

 

[Count23]

the chick bodie was with could have easily been a tranny.

plus like legacy said in another thread, he's lightskin and thats 1 step away from female... so in some twisted way bodie could be a gay lesbian.

 

[JoyStickler]

Damn, ya'll making me want to watch the whole series again ( except for season 2...wasn't really feeling that one.)


Ok, for me it would be

Stringer - just couldn't believe it

O'mar- one of the most unique characters on tv, cable or movies and his death served no real purpose as far as story...thought he should have been the last gangster standing instead of Marlo

DeAngelo - man, gotta admit, going out like he did, in prison, After he already took the fall for everybody else, was just messed up.

 

[hussla's paradice]

Derrick Wagner....... " he fucking killed Wagner " (Pryzblewski did)


the young dude who threw up when chris & snoop had him in the vacant


the young dude from NY, who Chris asked, "do you know who Young Leek be? from Shaking & Jiggling?..... dumb ass NY nigga says " you mean Too Fats Cousin? "

Marlo killed alot mufuggas, but they was especially hostile towards fat people.

Andre
Little Kevin
Prop Joe
The Security Guard

Why Marlo distrusted fat mofos so much?

mr. met would've been snot boogey.

*
"damn i cant go there, niggaz would kill me if they saw me, im from the east"
"dont worry boo, they know me...they wont mess with you"
"well i trust you"

*Mr. Met dead*[/QUOTE]

That duck in season 2. Duck never did nothing to anyone. The game is cold

them cats at the bar were FUCKED UP over it too!

the chick bodie was with could have easily been a tranny.

plus like legacy said in another thread, he's lightskin and thats 1 step away from female... so in some twisted way bodie could be a gay lesbian.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

people's attention are drawn to the wrong thing in that scene.

it wasn't important that michael lee was having sex.

what the writers were trying to point out is that IN YET ANOTHER way, duquan was being "left behind".

I think it was 50/50, two birds with one stone if you will, they showed that Michael was fast becoming a man AND that Dukie was being left behind.

I believe that he looked dejected because Michael was with a girl that he liked.

Dukie's story is all too common in the hood, he was a smart kid (as evidenced by his work on the computer in class) but ultimately succumbed to drugs.

Michael's personality was that of a leader, dude was a teenager and already had his own apartment, was taking care of his little brother, and was having sex.

This is what Snoop was referring to when she said that he "didn't fit in", he didn't fit in in regards to her, she was a follower.

I will point out again that being molested doesn't necessarily make you gay but it does manifest itself in other ways that we saw in Michael, his apprehension towards male adults (not wanting to be touched by them) and (this is speculation on my part) it could also affect his memory, making him block out bad/unpleasant memories.

This could account for the earlier scene when he's dropping his brother and Duquan off in which he seems to have forgotten the "piss balloon" episode that had just happened the previous summer.

 

[crossovernegro]

She never did as far as I know... but she clearly didn't need to. Her being a butch lez wasn't mentioned explicitly, but it was most definitely very clearly and strongly implied, to the point where a 3 year old could tell. Shit, I know people that thought she was a little dude when she first came on the scene (round the time she was spying at the chicken spot and Chris/Marlo were out in the truck waiting for her). It's like this; I don't think Mcnulty ever explicitly said he had an alcohol problem, but him crashing his car drunk while trying to make that turn under the bridge (I think it was under a bridge) and smashing his shit up, only to try it again lol...that was a snoop level "imply".

please refresh my memory about when snoop reveals her sexual preference on the show.

i'm not talking "walks like a duck..." conjecture, i'm talking kima greggs type confirmation.

 

[bgque12]

She never did as far as I know... but she clearly didn't need to. Her being a butch lez wasn't mentioned explicitly, but it was most definitely very clearly and strongly implied, to the point where a 3 year old could tell. Shit, I know people that thought she was a little dude when she first came on the scene (round the time she was spying at the chicken spot and Chris/Marlo were out in the truck waiting for her). It's like this; I don't think Mcnulty ever explicitly said he had an alcohol problem, but him crashing his car drunk while trying to make that turn under the bridge (I think it was under a bridge) and smashing his shit up, only to try it again lol...that was a snoop level "imply".

In season 4 when her and Chris gets pulled over and Bunk is fukking with them and he says "I'm thinking bout some pussy." Snoop says "Me too."

 

[shaddyvillethug]

chris and snoop was the shit

 

[bgque12]

You're not following this thread close enough!

Even though Michael was shown in bed with what was most likely a girl and was holding hands in Six Flags with what was definitely a girl BDB did not question Michael's sexuality but insists that the writers are depicting him as gay.

Sorry but Bodie being shown once @ the movies with a chick doesn't outweigh the fact that he's light-skinned!

(Just having fun with you now BDK!)

Dude you asked the question if Bodie was ever shown with a girl and I answered that question.

 

[crossovernegro]

In season 4 when her and Chris gets pulled over and Bunk is fukking with them and he says "I'm thinking bout some pussy." Snoop says "Me too."

 

[cranrab]

I don't think Mcnulty ever explicitly said he had an alcohol problem, but him crashing his car drunk while trying to make that turn under the bridge (I think it was under a bridge) and smashing his shit up, only to try it again lol...that was a snoop level "imply".

there was no implication or required inference for mcnulty's "alcohol problem". we all observed numerous overt instances (1 of which you cited) of his substance abuse: the many trips to the bar with bunk, the many trips to the train tracks, drinking on the job, etc.

 

[DV8ed]

She never did as far as I know... but she clearly didn't need to. Her being a butch lez wasn't mentioned explicitly, but it was most definitely very clearly and strongly implied, to the point where a 3 year old could tell. Shit, I know people that thought she was a little dude when she first came on the scene (round the time she was spying at the chicken spot and Chris/Marlo were out in the truck waiting for her). It's like this; I don't think Mcnulty ever explicitly said he had an alcohol problem, but him crashing his car drunk while trying to make that turn under the bridge (I think it was under a bridge) and smashing his shit up, only to try it again lol...that was a snoop level "imply".

there was no implication or required inference for mcnulty's "alcohol problem". we all observed numerous overt instances (1 of which you cited) of his substance abuse: the many trips to the bar with bunk, the many trips to the train tracks, drinking on the job, etc.

None of that beats the time McNulty got called to come & get Bunk because he set his clothes on fire trying to destroy all of the (dna) evidence after hooking up with a chick from the bar.

 

[Rick Ronson]

The cool thing about the show is most of the crack shit was over

so the show gave a chance for the newer generation to dream.


Kinda like a history lesson.

 

[hussla's paradice]

re watching now...

they fucked up tho. in season 1 bunk has THREE kids...

but he has TWO in subsequent seasons

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Dude you asked the question if Bodie was ever shown with a girl and I answered that question.

I know bruh, I wasn't crackin' on you I was just being facetious!

 

[Duece]

Once Treme wraps I'm gonna go back into The Wire.