Liberal Media?, White-Out of bush’s Impeachable Offense!!!

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If anyone is still deceived by the overt propaganda, Big-Lie about the “Liberal Media”, this latest<table border="0" width="150" id="table1" bordercolorlight="#FFFFFF" bordercolordark="#0000FF" style="border-left-color: #808080; border-top-color: #808080" bgcolor="#808080"><tr><td><font face="arial Black" size="5" color="#FFFFFF">-WHITE-OUT-</font></td></tr></table> of the <font face="verdana" color="#ff0000" size="4"><b><u>The Downing Street Memo</u></b></font> “Smoking-Gun” should finally wake you from your stupor.

Read:<font face="Times New Roman" color="#ff0000" size="5"><b><u>The Secret Way To War</u></b></font> for a comprehensive chronological account of the bush Junta's Impeachable Offense.

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The bush junta DELIBERATELY LIED in order to engage this country into an Invasion & Occupation of IRAQ under the FALSE PRETENSE of US security being threatened by an imminent usage of Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction.

The bush junta knew that their was NO threat from Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction.
They DELIBERATELY LIED to congress & the American people and now THE PROOF of their deliberate lies is exposed.
Over 1,600 American military personal are dead.
Over 14,000 American military personal are severely wounded and permanently disabled.
Over 75,000 Iraqi & Afghanis are dead.
Over $300,000,000,000 from the US treasury has been wasted in this ‘war for oil’.

But……the “Liberal Media” is silent.
Oh sure there have been a few small stories about this buried inside the New York Times & The Washington Post. There was a post on the CNN website. Paul Krugman mentioned it in his New York Times “opinion” column., but that’s about it.
Imagine that. An Impeachable Offense receives less “Liberal Media” press attention than the story about American Idol’s Paula Abdul getting fucked by one of that shows contestants.
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For anyone still confused, watch the movie below</b></font> that the “Liberal Media” refused to air, even as a pay-for-view. The movie Plainly demonstrated that the bush junta was lying even before the “Smoking Gun” was released from British Intelligence. By the way for those few of you who are still stupid, Tony Blair has confirmed that the memo is “accurate and complete”…but that “we have to move forward”.

When do the bush impeachment hearings begin?
Don’t hold your breath!
A president was impeached for receiving head from a groupie…BUT… a president that DELIBERATELY LIED to congress & the American people, resulting in the catastrophic Invasion & Occupation of Iraq gets a pass.


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even though i know its bad for the country sometimes i hope you guys never stop being angry.

who's going to impeach him? kerry? hillary? or maybe byrd? the same people that said the exact same thing in the 90's.

i'll be glad when we get a democratic president so half the country can stop with this extreme anger.
 

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I recall the anger over clinton being way more extreme than this and he was impeached. And all he did was get a bj. Bush spent 320 billion on a fraudulent war If the republiklans had this kinda of ammo their would be riots in the streets.
 

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Temujin said:
I recall the anger over clinton being way more extreme than this and he was impeached. And all he did was get a bj. Bush spent 320 billion on a fraudulent war If the republiklans had this kinda of ammo their would be riots in the streets.
i'm not sure if it's good or bad that people we more angry over clinton's bj than you people are over a war. according to your own admission of course.

still want to know who is going to impeach and convict him? can you name some house and senate members thats going to go along with that?

i wonder can congressional members be impeached. i think if we are going to get one then we should get them all. former presidents too. get em all right. or are we just after bush?
 

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Nobody will dare do it, but not because its the wrong thing to do. But because as soon as someone even brings it up the republicans will pull there "trump card" Patriotism. They will call anyone and everyone who tries impeach this president anti-american.
 

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Visualface said:
Nobody will dare do it, but not because its the wrong thing to do. But because as soon as someone even brings it up the republicans will pull there "trump card" Patriotism. They will call anyone and everyone who tries impeach this president anti-american.
after how many years will you people finally admit that things are more complicated than just blind patriotism?
 

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Though I'll keep my comments internal regarding the specific content, I find it interesting... damn near alarming that each and every "expert" introduced in this documentary was white. I will view it again to be sure, but doesn't that give you guys pause? No non-white expert in the USA had value added comments for this film?
 
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Visualface said:
alright then, break it down to me. School me on what this situation is "really" about?
neither of our comments about patriotism had anything to do with the situation, but instead with the people who think differently than you.

i'm actually in a mainstream bi-partisan thought thats almost 10 years old. but since you dont agree, or really want to agree, its easier for you and people like you to just pass off this train of thought as "bush said so they follow." just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they are doing so for no reason. i know its easy to just call people a lemming, but what does that accomplish in the long run, especially when you're already in the minority opinion?

an aggressive stance against extremism isnt a bush thing, or a republican thing, or a democrat thing. for 10 years it was an american thing. unfortunately, its turned into a republican thing and will continue to be so until, as i said before, a democratic president comes along and convince you stragglers that this is the best course of action available.
 

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Greed said:
neither of our comments about patriotism had anything to do with the situation, but instead with the people who think differently than you.

i'm actually in a mainstream bi-partisan thought thats almost 10 years old. but since you dont agree, or really want to agree, its easier for you and people like you to just pass off this train of thought as "bush said so they follow." just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they are doing so for no reason. i know its easy to just call people a lemming, but what does that accomplish in the long run, especially when you're already in the minority opinion?

an aggressive stance against extremism isnt a bush thing, or a republican thing, or a democrat thing. for 10 years it was an american thing. unfortunately, its turned into a republican thing and will continue to be so until, as i said before, a democratic president comes along and convince you stragglers that this is the best course of action available.

Oh i see, so our best course of action available was to invade Iraq on a false pretense, depose the leader we help put in place, destroy all major infrastructure then rebuid that same infrastructure?

You think this is about extremism? ok.
 

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Visualface said:
Oh i see, so our best course of action available was to invade Iraq on a false pretense, depose the leader we help put in place, destroy all major infrastructure then rebuid that same infrastructure?

You think this is about extremism? ok.
well, cant argue with that now can i.
 

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I have just watched the video, and I have also considered the source, MoveOn.org. I do not, repeat, do not believe that Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, due to the intelligence given to most agencies around the world. Not one intelligence agency of any nation represented by the United Nations state that they knew uniquivocally that there were no WMDs in Iraq... including Iraqis. They did not allow the weapons inspectors to do their jobs and have totally unfettered access to the information. Saddam defiantly shot down planes that surveyed the "No-Fly" zone, which, by itself, was considered an act of war. He kicked the weapons inspectors out, which was considered an act of war.

Why are these act considered an act of war? It was a clear violation of the UN charters that ended the first Iraqi war. By violating these charters, you are, in fact, continuing the war. By virtue of defying the UN with no reprisals, Saddam actually considered that a win.

Even Germany, after World War I had to go before the League of Nations and ask to be excused from the burden of reparations and other burdens as they struggled to keep up their failed Republic. But Saddam kept bullying along, and leaving other nations in the dark as to what happened to the WMDs that he did have at one time. And that defiant attitude, and lack of communication, deemed him in violation with the UN by vote of ALL within the UN Security Council, and by having some of the countries that represent the UN enforcing UN law by going to war.

Now that the war is over, we have to deal with the insurgency, and that is where we are now.

But to look at a movie, sponsored by MoveOn.org and take it at face value is as crazy as me looking at a movie sponsored by the White House and taking it at face value. You have to look at it and say "Propoganda" and.... MoveON.



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tian said:
I have just watched the video, and I have also considered the source, MoveOn.org. I do not, repeat, do not believe that Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, due to the intelligence given to most agencies around the world. Not one intelligence agency of any nation represented by the United Nations state that they knew uniquivocally that there were no WMDs in Iraq... including Iraqis. They did not allow the weapons inspectors to do their jobs and have totally unfettered access to the information. Saddam defiantly shot down planes that surveyed the "No-Fly" zone, which, by itself, was considered an act of war. He kicked the weapons inspectors out, which was considered an act of war.

Why are these act considered an act of war? It was a clear violation of the UN charters that ended the first Iraqi war. By violating these charters, you are, in fact, continuing the war. By virtue of defying the UN with no reprisals, Saddam actually considered that a win.

Even Germany, after World War I had to go before the League of Nations and ask to be excused from the burden of reparations and other burdens as they struggled to keep up their failed Republic. But Saddam kept bullying along, and leaving other nations in the dark as to what happened to the WMDs that he did have at one time. And that defiant attitude, and lack of communication, deemed him in violation with the UN by vote of ALL within the UN Security Council, and by having some of the countries that represent the UN enforcing UN law by going to war.

Now that the war is over, we have to deal with the insurgency, and that is where we are now.

But to look at a movie, sponsored by MoveOn.org and take it at face value is as crazy as me looking at a movie sponsored by the White House and taking it at face value. You have to look at it and say "Propoganda" and.... MoveON.



tian
Well stated... don't believe everything you read fam.
 

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tian said:
I have just watched the video, and I have also considered the source, MoveOn.org. I do not, repeat, do not believe that Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, due to the intelligence given to most agencies around the world. Not one intelligence agency of any nation represented by the United Nations state that they knew uniquivocally that there were no WMDs in Iraq... including Iraqis. They did not allow the weapons inspectors to do their jobs and have totally unfettered access to the information. Saddam defiantly shot down planes that surveyed the "No-Fly" zone, which, by itself, was considered an act of war. He kicked the weapons inspectors out, which was considered an act of war.

Why are these act considered an act of war? It was a clear violation of the UN charters that ended the first Iraqi war. By violating these charters, you are, in fact, continuing the war. By virtue of defying the UN with no reprisals, Saddam actually considered that a win.

Even Germany, after World War I had to go before the League of Nations and ask to be excused from the burden of reparations and other burdens as they struggled to keep up their failed Republic. But Saddam kept bullying along, and leaving other nations in the dark as to what happened to the WMDs that he did have at one time. And that defiant attitude, and lack of communication, deemed him in violation with the UN by vote of ALL within the UN Security Council, and by having some of the countries that represent the UN enforcing UN law by going to war.

Now that the war is over, we have to deal with the insurgency, and that is where we are now.

But to look at a movie, sponsored by MoveOn.org and take it at face value is as crazy as me looking at a movie sponsored by the White House and taking it at face value. You have to look at it and say "Propoganda" and.... MoveON.



tian


"by having some of the countries that represent the UN enforcing UN law by going to war."

Come homie, come better than that. Countries don't represent the UN, the UN is the representative body.
Who appointed "some countries" to be the enforcer ? The enforcer should try going up against the other countries who are "deemed in violation with the UN" such as North Korea, Israel, Iran etc....
Or is the enforcer only strong for the weak ???


"Now that the war is over"

Funny statement.......

Take your buried head from the sand and take a breath of reality.
South Africa existed as an Apartheid nation and openly defied the UN. Never had a problem even though it was established that they developed biological genetic weapons to exterminate blacks (Project Coast) with the help of the US.
Rules should not be convenient depending on who has the sceptre of power.
 

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"by having some of the countries that represent the UN enforcing UN law by going to war."

Come homie, come better than that. Countries don't represent the UN, the UN is the representative body.
Who appointed "some countries" to be the enforcer ? The enforcer should try going up against the other countries who are "deemed in violation with the UN" such as North Korea, Israel, Iran etc....
Or is the enforcer only strong for the weak ???


"Now that the war is over"

Funny statement.......

Take your buried head from the sand and take a breath of reality.
South Africa existed as an Apartheid nation and openly defied the UN. Never had a problem even though it was established that they developed biological genetic weapons to exterminate blacks (Project Coast) with the help of the US.
Rules should not be convenient depending on who has the sceptre of power.


In regards to the UN being a representative body, of course it is. Does the UN have an army or any force that enforces their laws? No... it is up to the representative countries to form a coalition to enforce those laws. In the case of Iraq, it was a situation that is enforceable.

Oh, and as for other countries that are in violation of UN laws, first you have to bring them before the UN Security Council, make a case, decide which actions to take.. etc. etc. Go read a book on UN protocol and you will see that the necessary steps has not been taken in the cases of Iran, North Korea, etc. In the case of Iraq, though, they were deemed as in violation. A timetable was set. That timetable was ignored. Thus, the US-led coalition went in there and forced Saddam out of power.


Oh yeah, in case you do not understand the basic strategies, logic, and rules of war... the war in Iraq is technically over. The war is over when Saddam's regime was toppled. In other words, when the US-led coalition began the occupation of Baghdad, the war was declared over. Historically, that will be in your history books.

Now, as in most every other war, you will encounter insurgency. Germany had insurgents. Japan, which this conflict most resembles, had insurgents for years after WW2. Any major conflict will have their insurgents. The problem with this war wasn't the war itself, but the miscalculation of the Pentagon on the level of insurgency. But, if the insurgents take control of many towns and begin to establish a splinter government, it will not be called the "War of Iraq", but it will be considered a "Civil War." In other words, with Iraq's government being established, the insurgents will want to rival that government with their own, and fight against the established, recognized government, thus beginning a civil war. But to call this a continuation of the Iraq war is mere propoganda and technically incorrect. The war is over.


And, uh, as for South Africa and apartheid, the UN did do something about it. They put sanctions on the government. Heavy sanctions. The United States led the way in condemning the government. (Which was a big win for African-Americans, who led the way and was vocal and organized in pressuring businesses and organizations to divest from South Africa. South Africa is something I personally take pride in.) South Africa, like some Eastern European countries, fell from within, but that falling was orchestrated in conjunction with the International community.

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It is always amazing to me that an obviously educated person can engage in self-delusion and cognitive dissonance when confronted with irrefutable facts rather than just ‘stand up’ and say “I Am An Ugly American, Who Believes In American Empire…Facts be damned...Consequences be dammed ”.

The security, intelligence, diplomatic experts in the Robert Greenwald documentary are not communist Marxist- Leninist-Maoist sycophants. These are people who have had the highest security clearance, and in many cases have killed people in the name of “American Empire”. But…they have some integrity. They gave the bush junta the facts, - ‘straight with no chaser’ – which is what a quality security, intelligence, diplomatic analyst is supposed to do. These people are the true patriots. Not the slimy fake patriots, miscreants like John Bolton, Don Rumsfeld, Richard Pearle, Elliot Abrams, John Negroponte etc. who are currently running America’s military-security-complex. These guys are neo-nazi fascist extremists. These guys would of (just read their written works) dropped a nuclear bomb on Vietnam. They are CRAZY. Wake Up!!!

They bush junta members who were the cheerleaders for the invasion & occupation of Iraq, in order to take the oil are all willing ‘stand up’ and say “I Am An Ugly American, Who Believes In American Empire…Facts be damned...Consequences be dammed ”. They don' t hide behind self-delusion and ignorance. They come from

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<a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/" target="_blank">THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY</a>.</font><br /><br />This is the <s>NEO-CON</s> NEO-NAZI group that has got the US involved in the invasion and occupation of IRAQ. It’s been their goal for years. Here is the letter they sent out in 1998 advocating the Invasion of IRAQ. Look at the bottom of the letter an see who signed the letter. You will see a whole bunch of guys who are now working for Cheney-<font size=”2”>bush</font> junta. <br />
READ:<font color="#0000FF"> <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm" target="_blank">LETTER ASKING FOR REMOVAL OF SADDAM</a>
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John Bolton is an Ugly American. Dick Cheney is an Ugly American. Donald Rumsfeld is is an Ugly American. Condi Rice is an Ugly American. Paul Wolfowitz is an Ugly American. Douglas Feith is an Ugly American. Richard Perle is an Ugly American. In reality most Americans including myself are Ugly Americans. (more about this later).

The individuals that I just mentioned who are among the main players and the people who run the baby bush junta are all unapologetic about the fiasco invasion & occupation of Iraq on false pretenses because that was their plan years before they seized power in the bloodless year 2000 Coup d'Etat. The Coup d'Etat was certified when their ideological soul mate on the supreme court justice Anton Scalia, who’s two sons were both employed by the Bush campaign, unprecedented in US history, ruled that the Florida Supreme Court ordered manual recount of Florida’a vote, with monitors from both the Bush & Gore campaign allowed to observe this recount, BE STOPPED, because-
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GAME OVER. The Bush Junta had officially seized power.

Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill outlined in his book The Price of Loyalty and in the 19,000. documents that he took with him when Cheney fired him the fact that at the very first cabinet meeting in January 2001 the invasion of Iraq was discussed. That’s January 2001, months before 9/11. The white hose was indignant that O’Neill took the 19,000 documents and in fact Cheney had a federal court ‘investigate?’ O’Neill for possible national security violations. The court found that all the documents O’Neill had were approved by the white house before they were burned onto a CD-ROM and given to him after Cheney fired him. Case closed.

Richard Clarke also recounts in his book Against All Enemies : Inside America's War on Terror , that Rumsfeld, Cheney were planning an invasion of Iraq before 9/11.
I guess lifetime republicans O’Neill & Clarke are just George Soros & MoveOn.org sponsored spies who make up stories to “Hurt America”.

The bush junta needed a pretext to justify invading Iraq.
9/11 was as perfect a ‘gift’ as you could ask for. The Lies & Propaganda that ensued after 9/11 are documented. That flaming liberal and communist Pat Buchanan has documented in numerous articles that the “Weapons Of Mass Destruction” spiel that emanated 24/7 from the mouths of bush junta acolytes were DELIBERATE LIES.

The bush junta knew that they had - “to shape the intelligence”- to fit their willful lies. This reality is not a partisan issue. It’s a dissemination of facts that are to the detriment of all Americans. IT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

The bush junta knew that they had - “to shape the intelligence”- to fit their willful lies. That is why unprecedented in the history of the United States Dick Cheney, a current Vice President of the US visited the CIA numerous times in order “to shape the intelligence”. John Bolton who was at the State department as the number # guy under Colin Powell , pressured, harassed, and attempted to fire State Department intelligence analysts who didn’t write reports that supported the “Weapons Of Mass Destruction” LIE.

The bush junta knew that they had - “to shape the intelligence”- to fit their willful lies. So they stovepiped .
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Read THE STOVEPIPE
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I’m not going to do your homework for you. There are dozens of books, articles, videos etc. produced by left wingers & right wingers that thoroughly debunk the bush junta claim that they honestly thought that Iraq had “Weapons Of Mass Destruction”
In fact what are the neo-cons saying now about the “Weapons Of Mass Destruction” false premise for invasion & occupation of Iraq. They are saying that it doesn’t matter that the premise was wrong. They are saying that we are in Iraq to bring “democracy to the region” and other laughable lies. Why don’t they just tell the American people the truth which is – “we invaded Iraq in order to gain control over the worlds second largest proven reserves of oil” .

Now as far as being an Ugly American is concerned. We are all to a lesser or greater degree Ugly Americans. We pay $2.50 for gasoline while the rest of the industrial world pays as much as $6.50 a gallon. We buy clothes at the GAP made by people who earn 20 -30 cents a hour. I am an Ugly American. I put $150,000 in a margin account to purchase NIKE (NKE) stock in 2003.
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My NIKE stock is now worth more than $600,000. The largest private employer in Vietnam is NIKE. The Nike workers in Vietnam make $90. a month making Nike sneakers.

THE BUSH JUNTA KNEW THAT THEY HAD - “TO SHAPE THE INTELLIGENCE”- TO FIT THEIR WILLFUL LIES. THIS REALITY IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE. IT’S A DISSEMINATION OF FACTS THAT ARE TO THE DETRIMENT OF ALL AMERICANS.

Over 1,600 American military personal are dead.
Over 14,000 American military personal are severely wounded and permanently disabled.
Over 75,000 Iraqi & Afghanis are dead.
Over $300,000,000,000 from the US treasury has been wasted in this ‘war for oil’.

IT IS AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

Even a former Republican deputy Treasury Secretary from the Reagan administration has stopped drinking the 'kool-aid'.
READ : http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts101.html

Another article exposing the bush junta's willful lies
READ : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474_pf.html

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still can't figure out why just bush. all responsible for this immorality should be punished right? damn, but that would include the people we like.

when are people going to learn that everytime you turn these accusation in a partisan issue it destroys all credibility.

as long as you people ignore that this was official government policy and bush's conclusions were supported by american policymakers long before there was such a thing as a bush43 administration, then you will forever be laughed off as a bunch of partisan kooks.

once again, either advocate the holding of ALL persons responsible or keep letting everyone see through the "logic" and see the obvious, anger that your guy isnt in charge.
 
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Prewar Findings Worried Analysts

By Walter Pincus
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Sunday, May 22, 2005; A26

On Jan. 24, 2003, four days before President Bush delivered his State of the Union address presenting the case for war against Iraq, the National Security Council staff put out a call for new intelligence to bolster claims that Saddam Hussein possessed nuclear, chemical and biological weapons or programs.

The person receiving the request, Robert Walpole, then the national intelligence officer for strategic and nuclear programs, would later tell investigators that "the NSC believed the nuclear case was weak," according to a 500-page report released last year by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

It has been clear since the September report of the Iraq Survey Group -- a CIA-sponsored weapons search in Iraq -- that the United States would not find the weapons of mass destruction cited by Bush as the rationale for going to war against Iraq. But as the Walpole episode suggests, it appears that even before the war many senior intelligence officials in the government had doubts about the case being trumpeted in public by the president and his senior advisers.

The question of prewar intelligence has been thrust back into the public eye with the disclosure of a secret British memo showing that, eight months before the March 2003 start of the war, a senior British intelligence official reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that U.S. intelligence was being shaped to support a policy of invading Iraq.

Moreover, a close reading of the recent 600-page report by the president's commission on intelligence, and the previous report by the Senate panel, shows that as war approached, many U.S. intelligence analysts were internally questioning almost every major piece of prewar intelligence about Hussein's alleged weapons programs.

These included claims that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium in Africa for its nuclear program, had mobile labs for producing biological weapons, ran an active chemical weapons program and possessed unmanned aircraft that could deliver weapons of mass destruction. All these claims were made by Bush or then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell in public addresses even though, the reports made clear, they had yet to be verified by U.S. intelligence agencies.

For instance, Bush said in his Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address that Hussein was working to obtain "significant quantities" of uranium from Africa, a conclusion the president attributed to British intelligence and made a key part of his assertion that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program.

More than a year later, the White House retracted the statement after its veracity was questioned. But the Senate report makes it clear that even in January 2003, just before the president's speech, analysts at the CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control Center were still investigating the reliability of the uranium information.

Similarly, the president's intelligence commission, chaired by former appellate judge Laurence H. Silberman and former senator Charles S. Robb (D-Va.), disclosed that senior intelligence officials had serious questions about "Curveball," the code name for an Iraqi informant who provided the key information on Hussein's alleged mobile biological facilities.

The CIA clandestine service's European division chief had met in 2002 with a German intelligence officer whose service was handling Curveball. The German said his service "was not sure whether Curveball was actually telling the truth," according to the commission report. When it appeared that Curveball's material would be in Bush's State of the Union speech, the CIA Berlin station chief was asked to get the Germans to allow him to question Curveball directly.

On the day before the president's speech, the Berlin station chief warned about using Curveball's information on the mobile biological units in Bush's speech. The station chief warned that the German intelligence service considered Curveball "problematical" and said its officers had been unable to confirm his assertions. The station chief recommended that CIA headquarters give "serious consideration" before using that unverified information, according to the commission report.

The next day, Bush told the world: "We know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile weapons labs . . . designed to produce germ warfare agents and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors." He attributed that information to "three Iraqi defectors."

A week later, Powell said in an address to the United Nations that the information on mobile labs came from four defectors, and he described one as "an eyewitness . . . who supervised one of these facilities" and was at the site when an accident killed 12 technicians.

Within a year, doubts emerged about the truthfulness of all four, and the "eyewitness" turned out to be Curveball, the informant the CIA station chief had red-flagged as unreliable. Curveball was subsequently determined to be a fabricator who had been fired from the Iraqi facility years before the alleged accident, according to the commission and Senate reports.

As Bush speeches were being drafted in the prewar period, serious questions were also being raised within the intelligence community about purported threats from biologically armed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

In an Oct. 7, 2002, speech, Bush mentioned a potential threat to the U.S. mainland being explored by Iraq through unmanned aircraft "that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons." The basis for that analysis was a single report that an Iraqi general in late 2000 or early 2001 indicated interest in buying autopilots and gyroscopes for Hussein's UAV program. The manufacturer automatically included topographic mapping software of the United States in the package.

When the list was submitted in early 2002, the manufacturer's distributor determined that the U.S. mapping software would not be included in the autopilot package, and told the procurement agent in March 2002. By then, however, U.S. intelligence, which closely followed Iraqi procurement of such material, had already concluded as early as the summer of 2001 that this was the "first indication that the UAVs might be used to target the U.S."

When a foreign intelligence service questioned the procurement agent, he originally said he had never intended to purchase the U.S. mapping software, but he refused to submit to a thorough examination, according to the president's commission. "By fall 2002, the CIA was still uncertain whether the procurement agent was lying," the commission said. Nonetheless, a National Intelligence Estimate in October 2002 said the attempted procurement "strongly suggested" Iraq was interested in targeting UAVs on the United States. Senior members of Congress were told in September 2002 that this was the "smoking gun" in a special briefing by Vice President Cheney and then-CIA Director George J. Tenet.

By January 2003, however, it became publicly known that the director of Air Force intelligence dissented from the view that UAVs were to be used for biological or chemical delivery, saying instead they were for reconnaissance. In addition, according to the president's commission, the CIA "increasingly believed that the attempted purchase of the mapping software . . . may have been inadvertent."

In an intelligence estimate on threats to the U.S. homeland published in January 2003, Air Force, Defense Intelligence Agency and Army analysts agreed that the proposed purchase was "not necessarily indicative of an intent to target the U.S. homeland."

By late January 2003, the number of U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf area was approaching 150,000, and the invasion of Iraq was all but guaranteed. Neither Bush nor Powell reflected in their speeches the many doubts that had surfaced at that time about Iraq's weapons programs.

Instead, Bush said, "With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region." He added: "Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474.html
 

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once again, either advocate the holding of ALL persons responsible or keep letting everyone see through the "logic" and see the obvious, anger that your guy isnt in charge.

Completely agree. Everyone should be held responsible.
 

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even though i know its bad for the country sometimes i hope you guys never stop being angry.

who's going to impeach him? kerry? hillary? or maybe byrd? the same people that said the exact same thing in the 90's.

i'll be glad when we get a democratic president so half the country can stop with this extreme anger.

And what is this "Democrat President" suppose to do better then the current "Republican President"?
 

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Hey, let's bump this thread. I would like to see these "impeachable" offenses memorialized, LOL!


Oh, yeah... btw, if there was an impeachable offense, the Democrats, not fringe groups, would be screaming for an impeachment. But even Democrats, who villify George Bush without end, doesn't see any case for impeachment. But, thanks, because you are really helping their cause by showing these overlooked impeachable offenses.

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(some people really need to take a Civics class...LOL)
 

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And what is this "Democrat President" suppose to do better then the current "Republican President"?
thats the point. he wouldnt do anything better regarding foreign policy. it would be the same, but for some reason people want dirt to be conducted under the guy they voted for.

a democrat president would just mollify people like muckraker, and get them off this impeach rhetoric and all the other angry talk that irrationally attributes all thats happened to one party.
 

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CHENEY AND RUMSFELD WERE capos of the ideological clique that, right from the start, gave the George W. Bush presidency its peculiarly nasty taste. Sharing a chip-on-the-shoulder attitude toward the outside world, including America's allies, as well as a sneering contempt for human rights and international law, these ideological apparatchiks were embedded by the score in key appointive posts. It didn't take them long to turn the United States from the most respected into the most resented nation on earth. The first casualty of this unprovoked war on the world as it is was trust in America.
The Bush spinners call all this breaking and trashing ''conservatism." It's actually a petulant crusade to destroy time-tested policies, as well as decades-old strategic relationships, that anyone who truly valued America's security would strive to conserve. This isn't "standing up for America," as George W. Bush claims at his fundraisers. It's giving the world the finger.

With George W. Bush in the White House, there was no situation too big or too small to turn into a global wedge issue. Millions of illiterate, malnourished women in Africa would get AIDS. They would pass the virus on to unwanted children born of avoidable pregnancies, because the Bush administration snatched health care funds away from village clinics that had provided information on abortion. Playing politics with AIDS in Africa made for terrific soundbites about family values. It also produced, during a stopover in Nigeria, one of the classic George W. Bush laugh-or-cry moments.
To a vast assembly of Africans —mostly young and poor, many of them too poor even to afford condoms —George W. Bush pledged the following: "We will support abstinence-based education for young people in schools and churches and community centers." This was his born-again riff on what practically every American bigot thinks at one time or another, though very few say it out loud: Forget family-planning clinics, IUDs, birth-control pills, or condoms. If we can only teach these people to control their sex urges, they won't need our charity.

International agreements that had staved off nuclear holocaust were also trashed. For more than fifty years, American statesmen had labored to construct a system that would limit testing and deployment of the most terrifying of all weapons of mass destruction —nuclear warheads fired at long range in ballistic missiles. Wrecking this system became George W. Bush's strategic goal. First step: turning the United States into the first nation in history to repudiate a nuclear-arms limitation treaty, opening the way to multitrillion dollar development of the unworkable "Star Wars" missile defense systems.

Land mines? Let little children play hopscotch on 'em! War crimes? Let mass murderers go free! The ozone layer? Keep those chemicals belching into the stratosphere; that'll show outer space who's in charge down here. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld provided the vision. But when it came to the lower levels of government, where things actually get done and undone, the totemic figure in all this destructiveness and disruptiveness was a bland-looking, middle-aged "defense intellectual" with a reassuringly deep voice and honest-looking eyes named Paul Wolfowitz. Until George W. Bush made Wolfowitz's dangerous ideas US strategic doctrine, Wolfowitz—like Rumsfeld—had been out of power a long time, operating on the far fringes of the intellectually respectable in the think tanks of Washington, D.C.

Wolfowitz had been a longtime protege of Dick Cheney, just as Cheney had started out as Rumsfeld's protege. All three had become fixated on the idea of invading and occupying Iraq long before George W. Bush decided to use 9/11 as the pretext for an attack. Wolfowitz's official title in George W. Bush's administration was Deputy Secretary of Defense, but WARNING TO THE WORLD should have been stenciled on the door of his Pentagon office. He personified the deep need of the Bush crowd, above all of George W. Bush himself, to start a war. Like Bush, Wolfowitz was a chip-on-the-shoulder Ivy Leaguer (not some Sunbelt cowboy), in his case from Cornell. In addition, Wolfowitz had that tell-tale qualification shared by so many of George W. Bush's most trusted pro-war appointees —avoidance of service in the US military. Like Dick Cheney and almost all of the George W. Bush war hawks, he had been a persistent and successful Vietnam war draft-dodger.

Once in the saddle, George W. Bush would rough-ride across the globe like a tourist atop one of those coin-operated broncos in a Texas theme park. Then, in Iraq, he would embark on the most juvenile and unjustified overseas US military adventure since the 1970 Cambodia invasion. Wolfowitz, backed by Rumsfeld and encouraged by Cheney, came up with the strategic gobbledygook used to rationalize Bush's recklessness.

In the Bush-generated crises to come, Wolfowitz would be to the doctrine of "pre-emption" what Ptolemy had been to the idea that the sun revolved around the earth: chief theoretician of a system that defied reality. Secretary of State Colin Powell would play the Galileo figure. He knew how the world really moved, but when called before the Oval Office curia, Powell — the only one of them with any firsthand knowledge of war, and much else—would mumble acquiescently, letting Cardinal Cheney, Archbishop Rumsfeld, and Monsignor Wolfowitz have their way. Did Powell imagine that, in the end, reason and reality would prevail, once George W. Bush thought things over? If so, that was his illusion.

Power to shape the strategic thinking of a president of the United States had been a long time coming for Paul Wolfowitz. As early as 1992, he had urged that the United States adopt as strategic doctrine the notion that world law and world order counted for nothing when the United States wished to violate the one and overturn the other. This made him quite a thinker so far as the ultraradical neocon pamphleteers were concerned. According to the media propagandist William Kristol, Wolfowitz was "ahead of his time," "prophetic," and "vindicated by history" for having been among the first to propose a unilateral US invasion of Iraq.

George W. Bush's father knew better. When Wolfowitzs boss and mentor during that first Bush administration, then-secretary of defense Dick Cheney, presented Wolfowitz's policy proposals to him for approval, Bush the elder rejected this first draft of what later would become the blueprint for his son's "for-us-or-against-us" foreign policy. Then, tellingly, he ordered Cheney, not Wolfowitz, to rewrite it. Cheney retailored the words to fit the prevailing expediency. A less offensive approach to military policy, for the time being, remained in force, but Cheney never would have slipped Wolfowitz's document onto the president's desk if Wolfowitz's vision hadn't reflected his own views, as would become clear eight years later, when he became vice president.

Whatever his limitations, the elder Bush, a combat veteran of World War II, had grasped that Wolfowitz's strategic nostrums, which he and his staff churned out so copiously at US government expense, weren't just dumb; they were recipes for disaster— a threat in themselves to America's security. It is a measure of the difference between father and son that George W. Bush adopted as his own the same proposals his father had recognized as dangerous and foolish.

In the interval between the two Bush administrations, Wolfowitz remained a little-noticed figure outside ultraradical circles. Then George W. Bush rebestowed presidential favor upon him. Like the resuscitated Rumsfeld, he acquired cult status in Washington. The proposals that had been rejected earlier received the scrutiny normally reserved for Dead Sea Scrolls. The (Ur-document in the Wolfowitz dossier, however, is his official Defense Department curriculum vitae. It's the resume of a life as dangerously divorced from the world's realities as the Bush foreign policy has turned out to be.

When Wolfowitz graduated from Cornell with a degree in mathematics in 1965, the United States was already deeply divided by the Vietnam war. Among strategic thinkers the great controversy was whether to escalate in Vietnam. Wolfowitz played no part in the cut and thrust of that debate. Instead, at a time when other young Americans were either fighting the Vietnam war or protesting it, Wolfowitz —like Cheney—began learning how to use the internal levers of government to realize his own agenda, in this case how to evade involvement in the traumas of Vietnam entirely.

Wolfowitz not only dodged the draft; he got the federal government to pay him for doing it. Right out of college, he collected his first government paycheck, along with his first deferment. "A year as a Management Intern at the Bureau of the Budget (1966-67)" is how the future presidential adviser on strategic warfare describes his first work experience in a career that would never involve meeting a payroll, turning a profit, or producing something of actual use to the American public. One thing Wolfowitz could have learned at the Bureau of the Budget, though he evidently did not, is how an unnecessary war can bust a nation's finances.

Graduate studies could not be hurried during those war years, which included the Tet Offensive and the Kent State killings, as well as Nixon's Vietnamizaton program. Following his government internship, Wolfowitz spent the subsequent five years holed up in select ivory towers, including Yale and the University of Chicago, where work on a PhD thesis helped keep his draft deferment in order for half a decade.

Besides avoiding military service, Chicago allowed Wolfowitz to immerse himself in the quasi-superman, negative-Platonic theories of the neoconservative guru, Leo Strauss, who supervised his doctoral thesis. The sad history of nineteenth- and twentieth-century political philosophy can be read, in part, as the story of a series of gypsy-moth German philosophers who, having failed either to halt or to explain the triumph of intellectual barbarism in Germany itself, then went on to addle impressionable grad students from Chicago to kingdom come. Think of Strauss as an emigre Midwestern anti-Marx, and Wolfowitz, the son of a mathematics professor in upstate New York,as the anticommunist suburban equivalent of all those callow grad students who, back in the sixties, thought Che and Mar-cuse were so neat, and you get the idea. As Strauss saw it, America's love of freedom and its protests against an unjust war were signs that America, the nation which had defeated Hitler and saved him and so many others from persecution and death in their own homelands, was turning into another Weimar Republic. It's an interesting prefiguration: Wolfowitz soaking up Strauss' notion that America is decadent, while the professor authorizes his draft deferment.

After passing his twenty-sixth birthday, it was time for Paul Wolfowitz to get back on the federal payroll: "Four years (1973-77) m me Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, working on the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks and a number of nuclear nonproliferation issues" is the way his resume describes it. In Washington, Wolfowitz met other young ideologues who also had decided that the thoughts of (philosophy department) chairman Leo Strauss provided a key to the global use of American power. These "defense intellectuals" included Richard Perle, whose prescription for the Middle East was, always and inevitably, to place US might entirely and unques-tioningly at the service of whatever Israel, at any one moment, happened to think it wanted to do. Another figure in this circle was Elliott Abrams, whose idea of the proper exercise of US power was inciting terrorism (the neocons called it "Low Intensity Warfare") against Third World nations of whose governmental philosophy Leo Strauss would have disapproved. Abrams later would be indicted (though have his conviction reversed on appeal) as a result of his involvement in the Reagan scandal with the Contra insurgents in Central America.

For the next quarter-century Leo Strauss was to this clique of busy Washington neocons what Ayn Rand was to the Fountain-head nuts. There was always, also, the whiff of Tolkein and his hobbits about them, as well as Superman (Nietzche, but also the comic book). Though these guys imagined themselves to be deep thinkers, they were actually steeped in the modern cultural trivializations of Plato and Homer —Leo Strauss, not The Republic, Lord of the Rings, not the Trojan wars. Decades later, the Iraq war would be launched by a bunch of post-docs who, all too clearly, never had bothered to read The Iliad, and understand what it reveals about war, and what war does to human beings, during all that time they were avoiding their military service. The diplomatic analyst William Pfaff later described the Wolfowitz crowd in the following terms: "They have a political philosophy, and the arrogance and intolerance of their actions reflect their conviction that they possess a realism and truth others lack." Their future obsession with taking out Saddam Hussein would be their kitschy, post-modern trivialization of Kierkegaard's Purity of Heart Is to Will One Thing.

While preparing for the day when George W. Bush would give him the actual power to enforce his ideological notions, Wolfowitz passed the time writing policy proposals. In the Washington world of staff-generated policy papers —the kind of documents that mean nothing unless and until someone with real power picks them up and takes them seriously—one talent all successful strategic scriptwriters must have is a knack for making sure events like presidential elections don't disrupt the steady output of their position papers. This was a skill Wolfowitz displayed very early on. As far as most Americans were concerned, Jimmy Carter's election to the presidency in 1976 marked a big change—away from the Nixon-Kissinger conception of US power, to one based on human rights. But under Carter, as later under Reagan, Wolfowitz's career marched on regardless of how Americans voted or what happened around the world. So did his proposals. Whoever was President, Wolfowitz's approach to power remained simplistically arithmetical: The more weapons America had, and the more it used them, the better (whether or not there was any strategic or moral justification). It is this inflexible approach to America's "national security," unchanging over the decades and impervious to geopolitical reality, which, like some harmless hamster in a sci-fi film, would grow into an earth-threatening monster once bombarded by the radioactive attention of George W. Bush.

It was under the peaceable Jimmy Carter, however, that Wolfowitz got the breakthrough job that would lead to all that. While still in his early thirties, he was named deputy secretary of defense for regional programs. The recent US defeat in Indochina had started out as a regional problem. Then, through more than a decade of body counts, the Johnson and Nixon administrations had escalated it into a global humiliation for the United States. Following that self-inflicted catastrophe, the United States certainly needed new approaches to regional problems. Nowhere was the old domino-theory approach more outdated than in the vast Indian Ocean region, stretching from southeast Asia through the Indian subcontinent and Iran to the Arab world and Israel. Here the traditional US approach, emphasizing military "solutions" to economic and social problems, combined with political support for local dictators, was more than wrong. It was meaningless.

Change was in the air after the Indochina defeat. A new kind of strategic understanding, not just new kinds of weapons systems, would be needed if the United States was to avoid further disasters. All this was as lost on Wolfowitz as it was on Rumsfeld and Cheney and, later, George W. Bush. Wolfowitz described his actions back then to forge a new American regional approach, following the military disaster in Vietnam, as helping to "create the force that later became the United States Central Command and initiated the Maritime Pre-positioning Ships, the backbone of the initial US deployment twelve years later in Operation Desert Shield."

This technically proficient military-mechanical exercise did foreshadow the unbounded faith America's strategic planners would place in techno-wars over the next quarter-century. It did nothing to separate US regional interests from the fate of the Shah of Iran. He, like various other US-supported despots, remained "a pillar of stability" in the US strategic approach — until in 1979 his own people overthrew him. Entirely unforeseen by America's national security mandarins, the fall of the Shah led, among other things, to the ayatollahs' seizure of power in Iran, Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran, and the Iran/contra scandals, to say nothing of the two Iraq wars the United States would later fight.

Billions spent on weapons hadn't made the Shah's regime viable, let alone a pillar of stability. Wolfowitz's warships positioned in the Indian Ocean would not stop the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, either. They couldn't even stop demonstrators from taking over the US embassy in Tehran and keeping the American staff there prisoners for more than a year. The revolutionaries of Iran —like Osama bin Laden twenty years later— were simply undeterred by the Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld-Cheney and (eventually) the George W. Bush strategy of "projecting" America's billion-dollar weapons systems into the Indian Ocean. Then as later, Wolfowitz along with the rest of them hadn't a clue as to how US military force really connected—and even more important, failed to connect—with the real world. As often happens in Washington, Wolfowitz's detachment from reality turned out to be an enormous career advantage. It freed him up to generate just the kind of "strategic" fantasy nonsense that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and George W. Bush love to find in their In boxes.

For most Americans, the shift from the approach to the world Jimmy Carter embodied to the one personified by Ronald Reagan was another big change. For Paul Wolfowitz it meant changing his commute. In spite of his complete lack of diplomatic experience, he was shifted from the Department of Defense to the Department of State, where he was made head of the policy planning staff. This always is a frustrating post since US foreign policy never gets planned, at least not in the State Department, but it served as a stepping stone to Wolfowitz's biggest preferment yet, assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs.

This appointment was a bizarre illustration of how Washington actually works. It wasn't just that Wolfowitz had completely absented himself from the war in Vietnam and now was being put in charge of America's relations with the whole of the Pacific Rim, including Indochina. He had no academic, or diplomatic, or personal experience of any part of the Far East; he didn't even know it as a tourist. More than that, Wolfowitz had never represented the United States abroad in any capacity. He didn't know what it was like to fight or make peace in an Asian country, or for that matter run the branch office of a US business. Yet now, in Wolfowitz's own words, he "was in charge of US relations with more than twenty countries," including China and Japan, in the post-Vietnam war era.

During Ronald Reagan's second term, Wolfowitz finally got some limousine-level experience of the world beyond America's shores. He was named ambassador to Indonesia. This remains the only government post George W. Bush's chief strategic theoretician ever has ever held that has involved him performing some actual service for the taxpayers and citizens of the United States. Being ambassador to a vast, fascinating land like Indonesia was a form of exile from what, for Wolfowitz, really mattered: generating war plans in Washington. He was ambassador in Jakarta during 1986, 1987, 1988, and 1989. The principal triumph he lists as resulting from his ambassadorship there is that "during his tenure, Embassy Jakarta was cited as one of the four best-managed embassies inspected in 1988."

Wolfowitz's workday changed dramatically when Dick Cheney became Bush the elder's secretary of defense in 1989, and called Wolfowitz back to the Pentagon to be his under secretary of defense. In the Washington mandarinate, being an assistant secretary is nice. Being named under secretary is almost Heaven. The Pentagon prose sings as Wolfowitz describes what happened once his Indonesia exile ended: "From 1989 to 1993, Dr. Wolfowitz served as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in charge of the 700-person defense policy team that was responsible to Secretary Dick Cheney for matters concerning strategy, plans, and policy. During this period Secretary Wolfowitz and his staff had major responsibilities for the reshaping of strategy and force posture at the end of the Cold War."

The key phrase to grasp there is "the end of the Cold War," which posed a bigger threat to the Pentagon's purse and power than the schemers in the Kremlin ever had. At Cheney's behest, Wolfowitz and his policy spinners spent millions of man-hours conjuring up ways to increase US military spending even though, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Communist menace had vaporized without the United States having to fire a shot. The best boondoggle of them all —Star Wars —had been invented by wily old Ronald Reagan, all by himself. But lock 700 "defense intellectuals" in their offices at the Pentagon. Then inform them that unless and until they dream up enough spurious new threats to America's security, along with the new multibillion-dollar weapon systems necessary to counter them to ensure that US military spending cannot possibly be reduced, they won't get their next promotion. Before you know it, you'll have a "defense" budget guaranteed to ensure that not one red cent of the post-Cold War "peace dividend" ever gets back to the people of America. That's the nerdy work Wolfowitz and his minions were busily doing when, on August 2, 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. This event caught Wolfowitz, Cheney, and the rest of them as totally unaware as the attacks of September 11, 2001 later would.

The American turnaround after the Kuwait invasion was magnificent. Not since World War II had America's military might been so perfectly wedded to a legitimate military purpose. The liberation of Kuwait in February 1991, kick-started what, back then, even Republicans proudly called the New World Order. As well as a military victory, the Kuwait war was a historic diplomatic triumph for the United States. Both the elder Bush and his secretary of state, James Baker, had seen to that. They understood that, in order to succeed, any new, post-Cold War international order would have to be based on right as well as might, and they had organized the United Nations-sanctioned, US-led effort to reverse Saddam's aggression on that basis. That was why George H.W. Bush in 1991, unlike George W. Bush in 2003, was able to assemble a genuine coalition of the willing. Nations ranging from Argentina to Syria, and from France to Turkey enthusiastically helped fight, and also to pay for that first Iraq war because it was fought for reasons they understood, to defend principles they shared —and because then, unlike later, the United States didn't act like a bully. A decade later, the same countries would keep their wallets closed and sit on their hands. There was an additional reason US efforts were so successful in 1991. Back then, the United States treated other countries with respect.

The swift totality of that first Iraq victory was stunning, but nothing impressed the world more than the principled approach the United States took once Saddam was defeated. US forces could have surged on to Baghdad. Instead, the first President Bush won the world's admiration with his decision not to transform the United Nations-authorized liberation of Kuwait into an American conquest of Iraq. It was a painful as well as principled decision to stop the war before Saddam Hussein was toppled, but Bush the elder understood that upholding the rule of law among nations was more important than settling scores with an unsavory dictator. Unlike George W. Bush later, he also understood that a unilateral, unauthorized US assault on Iraq, followed by a US military occupation of the country, would undermine American security by turning most of the Arab and Muslim world against the United States.

Wolfowitz and his 700 paper-pushers played no role in the stunning Kuwait victory. While they'd been churning up strategic "doctrine," the actual war was planned, run, and won by military professionals like Colin Powell. That didn't stop Wolfowitz from deciding that he should be the one to ordain what US national security policy should be in light of that decisive victory. More than a year after Operation Desert Storm had already demonstrated the best way for the United States to fight,and win wars in the post-Cold War era, Wolfowitz weighed in with a radically different counterproposal. It was the same blueprint for disaster that eleven years later would play itself out under George W. Bush.

Wolfowitz's war plan bore an innocuous-sounding label. He called his prescription for destroying the postwar international security system "Defense Planning Guidance." Even had its contents not been pernicious, its existence would have been redundant. In the form of Operation Desert Storm, Powell and the others had already created and successfully tested the paradigm of successful US action that, following the 9/11 attacks ten years later, would serve the United States as well in Afghanistan as it had in Kuwait. The key to both the 1991 Kuwait triumph and the 2002 success in Afghanistan was not America's overwhelming technological superiority in modern warfare. The key to success was that America's overwhelming superiority was used legitimately, in pursuit of a worthwhile objective, supported by the overwhelming majority of the nations of the earth.

"Defense Planning Guidance" took the form of a forty-six-page pamphlet that repudiated both the proven military-diplomatic success of the Desert Storm model of warfare and the democratic ideals and strategic conceptions—from the Four Freedoms to containment—which had, through all the follies and dangers, managed to save America and the world from utter disaster during the first half-century of the nuclear age. The Kuwait victory had been a victory for the internationalists and multilateralists within the Republican Party—for all those wimps, ranging from Kissinger to Powell, that Rumsfeld and Cheney had first tried to purge from power during their 1975 Holloween Massacre. "Defense Planning Guidance" was the opening gambit in a campaign which would only achieve success in 2001, when George W. Bush, deftly guided by Dick Cheney, brought Donald Rumsfeld back from the political wilderness, and Rumsfeld, in turn, put Wolfowitz in charge of putting an intellectual gloss on their nutty policy of ceaseless provocation all over the world.

By the time "Defense Planning Guidance" appeared in 1992, the world in which Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of us live had changed enormously. Many strategic theories had been tested by events, and proven wrong. The Vietnam war, for example, had been lost. Yet even after the United States was defeated, the dominoes had not fallen. It was Communism that fell after America lost the war it supposedly had been necessary to fight in order to halt Communism's otherwise inexorable advance. In the course of Wolfowitz's own unelected rise to a degree of power few elected public officials ever achieve in a democracy, a multitude of other gigantic, unforeseeable events had reduced to rubble the strategic conceptions that had guided —and all too often, misguided—American policy-makers for decades.

What was the result of these changes? Somehow, the United States not only had survived the "Communist threat" and all the other supposed menaces. It had remained the most powerful nation on earth. There were great lessons to be learned from these unforeseen turns of events. As Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Wolfowitz was in charge of trying to think through what the nagging discrepancy between America's strategic preconceptions and what actually happened in the world meant when it came to the United States spending trillions of dollars on weapons. Instead he ginned up a proposal for US military-industrial domination of the world.

Later, the damage-control folks in the George W. Bush administration tried to make it seem like Wolfowitz had only been kicking around some ideas. But "Defense Planning Guidance," as its title states, is a set of explicit instructions, from Wolfowitz to his staff, providing guidance as to how they should plan policy following the great changes that marked the beginning of the post-Cold War era. By then, many believed a new era of global relations, transcending the old nationalist and ideological rivalries, was at hand, in which no one nation would try to dominate the others. They believed it was America's responsibility as the world's most powerful nation, as well as in America's own national security interest, to nurture the emergence of this new era of globalization. In this new era, it was hoped, something other, and better, than nation-state arrogance would determine the world's response to problems ranging from political terrorism to the emergence of new, global health threats. Furthermore, for billions of ordinary people around the world —and billions had watched the Gulf War on TV—the recent victory over Saddam in Kuwait had provided the model for maintaining global law and order in the new era.

In "Defense Planning Guidance," Wolfowitz threw out that whole successful approach, with its emphasis on multilateralism and the rule of law. He propounded an opposite, dark paradigm — of a world in which only one nation, the United States, would dominate the world the way the Soviet Union once had dominated eastern Europe. All these years later, "Defense Planning Guidance" still makes chilling reading. It combines the objectives of the Brezhnev Doctrine with the rhetoric of Imperial Japan's Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. It's hard to believe, reading it, that such conceptions could emanate from an American mind at all. The first President Bush was right to slap down Cheney, when he brought him Wolfowitz's proposal.

"Defense Planning Guidance" would have been an alarming document if it had been discovered in the KGB archives. Coming from an American, it was shocking. Americans grow up believing it's their destiny to save everyone else from the bully on the block. The strategic objective Wolfowitz put forth in "Defense Planning Guidance" was to turn America into the global bully. The first step to permanent global domination, according to Wolfowitz, was to make sure no onejgot in America's way, ever. Over the next decade, America's most dangerous enemies would turn out to be infiltrating viruses (as AIDS had already shown), and groups of fanatics acting independent of any national authority (as 9/11 would show). Yet Wolfowitz was fixated on fighting a new Cold War against a new Soviet Union. Only this time the war wouldn't be cold, and America wouldn't settle for containment.

"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival," Wolfowitz announced. (Throughout "Defense Planning Guidance," he writes "is," not "should be.") "This is," he continued, "a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power." Here as throughout "Defense Planning Guidance," people don't count. Like George W. Bush later, he equates domination of "resources," notably oil, with "power," and the potential loss of control over those resources as defeat. People don't count, nor does rightful ownership of the resources the United States might decide to control. Also absent is the idea that the United States might eliminate "threats" to its national security by modifying its own behavior—for example, by consuming less imported oil —rather than by dominating others or resorting to military force. This approach, too, would become the George W. Bush approach. Not once during the invasion of Iraq, for example, would Americans be asked to support the war effort by driving fewer SUVs. George W. Bush's Iraq war would be a struggle in which Americans would be expected to sacrifice their lives, but not turn down their air-conditioners, give up their tax cuts, or buy less gas.

The overall US goal, Wolfowitz emphasizes in "Defense Planning Guidance," is not merely to retain control over oil supplies. Nor is the strategic objective to deter aggression, or even to contain it, as had been US strategy under every US president, Republican or Democrat, since the end of World War II. The goal, instead, is to impose a "new order" that will make it impossible for any country other than the United States "to generate global power" under any circumstances, for any reason.

Later, George W. Bush's petulance, as well as the arrogance he and those around him displayed, mystified many. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's outbursts against the "old Europe" especially startled people. Why did they get so ticked off simply because members of the United Nations Security Council, including America's allies on the council, disagreed with them? One reason Bush and those around him treated America's allies so contemptuously was that, by then, the ideas expressed in "Defense Planning Guidance" had been an ingrained part of their shared world view for years. As Wolfowitz himself had put it, "even aspiring to a larger regional or global role" on the part of "potential competitors," including America's allies, was not to be tolerated.

Combine this intolerant world view with George W. Bush's for-us-or-against-us approach and you have what, ten years after Wolfowitz wrote "Defense Policy Guidance," has become a self-fulfilling prophesy. By the time Bush invaded Iraq, it wasn't just the Russians and the Chinese, and all those Africans and Asians, and, as usual, the French who were "against us." Even Canada had turned into a "competitor."

Having defined the US objective as eliminating even the possibility of others aspiring to provide an alternative to American leadership, or even supplementing it on a regional basis, Wol-fowitz then proposed that the United States do away with the entire post-World War II system of collective security, epitomized by US cooperation with NATO and the United Nations. In his own words: "First the US must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests."

And then? "Second, in the non-defense areas," Wolfowitz continued, "we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order." After pausing to consider what that last sentence actually means, it's hard, even now, to think of a statement by a US official more profoundly contemptuous — and ignorant—of the human and cultural, as well as military and strategic, realities of Europe, and of the rest of the world. Here we have, in words, what the Bush Doctrine became in deeds ten years later. While the United States decides what to do, where to do it, when to do it, and who will do it, the United States nonetheless will be magnanimous enough to "account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership."

It was one thing to propound universal US hegemony, as "Defense Planning Guidance" did in 1992. But how to achieve it? This was the question raised beginning in January 2001 when George W. Bush actually tried to put into practice Wolfowitz's megalomaniacal approach to world politics. As America's allies, among others, would try fruitlessly to make George W. Bush understand, it would be no cakewalk imposing US control even on one medium-sized Middle Eastern country, like Iraq. How, then, to achieve the global domination of which Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the other ultraradicals dreamed? And even if such dominance could be achieved, what would be the benefit for the people of America?

These were the practical questions "Defense Planning Guidance" raised but never answered. Fortunately, for the time being the United States had no serious global rivals —which was why George W. Bush, once he got into office, would have to create one, in the form of the "axis of evil." Russia was only a shambling giant after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Those uppity Europeans might in due course become the world's second democratic superpower, but that was unlikely to happen soon. On the other hand, it seemed not only likely but inevitable that—at the opposite end of Eurasia, facing America across the Pacific Ocean —China would become a "new rival," and not a friendly one, if the United States insisted on treating China's rise to great-power status as a "threat."

And that's exactly what any such development was, from the strategic perspective ordained in "Defense Planning Guidance"— a threat. It didn't matter if a modernized, prosperous China (or India, or Indonesia, for that matter) was friendly or not. Its mere emergence as a great power was a "threat" that the United States must prevent from arising. Indeed George W. Bush would start out labeling China as a "strategic competitor in the Pacific basin." Soon, however, even he had to recognize that cooperating with China was vital to US security in many matters, including dealings with North Korea.

That pointed to one fundamental problem with such a domineering approach. In the real world, as oppose^ to the world of radical neocon polemics, what is true for ordinary people is also true for nations. We may feel threatened when the neighbors get a bigger car, or install a bigger swimming pool, but if we don't want garbage dumped on our front lawn, it's better not to treat the neighbors with contempt, let alone announce to them that you, and you alone, are going decide from now on what goes on in the neighborhood. The same holds true at the level of global politics. Even countries as powerful as the United States normally have no choice but to treat other countries, including rival countries, as partners. The business of the world, including the business of pursuing US foreign policy goals, requires a cooperative approach. But suppose the United States chose to act abnormally? Suppose it actually decided to apply Wolfowitz's global version of the Brezhnev Doctrine to China? What could the United States actually do to stop China and its billion-plus people from rivaling and, indeed, someday outstripping the United States—the way, a century earlier, the United States had surpassed the British —to become the single most powerful nation in the world? What options would it have?

Even to mention the kinds of "options" that might actually result in the United States maintaining permanent superiority over China reveals the suicidal nuttiness of the "Defense Planning Guidance" approach. The United States, for instance, could bomb the Chinese back into the Stone Age, as had actually been proposed during the more hysterical phases of the Cold War. Nuclear attack on China's industrial heartland would indeed interrupt its emergence as a "potential rival" — though that was an option few American strategic thinkers still considered advisable, now that China's own nuclear missiles might reach Washington before US missiles reintroduced neolithic culture to the land where more advanced forms of human civilization had flourished for so long.

Another possible way, in Wolfowitz's words, "to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival" would be for the United States to encourage radical Maoists to reassert control in China. Unleashing another Cultural Revolution would quite probably retard China's capacity "to generate global power." It would also panic global finance markets, and destroy the vibrant Pacific Rim economy on which the US economy counts for future growth. What about less drastic forms of economic warfare? Reinstating the US trade embargo would slow down China's military as well as its economic development. But it would also destroy the World Trade Organization, and unleash a worldwide depression. It also would mean no more cheap, high-quality videogames and PCs down at the suburban malls, where Republican appeal to the swing vote is essential for keeping George W. Bush, as well as Paul Wolfowitz, on the federal payroll.

Yet Wolfowitz not only proposed preventing China's emergence as "another rival" but proposed precluding such an eventuality, or even the possibility of it ever arising, in "Western Europe, East Asia, the territory of the former Soviet Union, and Southwest Asia" as well. But how to lobotomize the rest of the world? Strategically speaking, that more or less was the grand global policy "Defense Planning Guidance" ordained.

"Finally," Wolfowitz wrote, "we must maintain the mechanisms for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role." Even aspiring? US domination of the world, as propounded here, was not merely to be over the world and each region in it. It was to be a dominion over the world's aspirations as well. And what on earth did he mean by "mechanisms"? These are difficult questions. They are dangerous questions. Both before and after he mounted his mechanical bronco, these are the kinds of questions clueless George W. Bush never bothered to ask the neo-cons.
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Greed

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damn them. damn them all. if only we could ban the neo-conservative like iran bans reformist, then some of us still wouldnt be <s>ASLEEP</s> <s>CONFUSED</s> STUPID</font>.
 

Greed

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BTW, what source was this one from? "dick cheney suck stem cells straight from aborted fetuses to stay alive: the totally obvious and unbiased history of the neo-conservative movement."

i'm sure you didnt know what you were going to get from that book.
 

Temujin

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Thanks muckracker ton's of useful information. Unfortunately most Americans don't want to look in the mirror. If they accept Bush's role in this illegal, fraudulent war they would have to accept their responsiblity for supporting his tyranny. We all have the blood of 20,000 Iraqi citizens (not military personell, Iraqi citizens) as well as 1,600 Americans on our hands.

The democrats will not stand up to bush because their money comes from where his money comes from corporate America. The American people wont stand up because they are fat, lazy and happy. Americans don't care about the death and destruction of another country. They can't empathize with the Iraqi people. Apparently they don't even care that 300 billion of their tax dollars went to this death and destruction based on a lie.
No wonder the world hates us. The poor are blinded by patriotism, the middle are blinded by their wallets, the rich are running this shit.

The taking of human life makes me sick to my stomach. It is ridiculous in a civilized society we are so quick to sponser acts of extreme violence on innocent people. And to not be outraged with these deaths were based on an untruth. Whether intentional or unintentional his untruths as President of the United states caused the lives of thousands of people. Every intelligent person knows that if Bush did not make the WMD push their would not be a war with Iraq right know. Bush owes the American and Iraqi people an apology.And to continue to support these acts as well as the occupation of a sovergn nation that is no threat to the U.S. brings tears to my eyes as an American.

Plausible deniability is all the sheep need to fall in line and walk off the cliff.
 

muckraker10021

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Guys this bogus war stuff is non-partisan!!!!!!

The Democrats under Lyndon Baines Johnson escalated the Vietnam War under the bogus pretense of "the Domino Theory" and "Communism Suppression".
Over 58,000 American Soldiers died
Over 3,000,000 Vietnamese died.
The bogus premise turned Vietnam from a 'police action' into full-fledged war was an ALLEGED attack of of a US Navy ship by the Viet Cong on Aug. 4, 1964.

Congress passed the "Tonkin Gulf Resolution" authorizing President Johnson quickly to "take all necessary measures" to repel attacks on U.S. forces. The first U.S. combat troops landed in South Vietnam seven months later.
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READ: http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html
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During the Vietnam War against communism, American & Western European Capitalism were doing billions of dollars worth of business with the so-called Evil Empire Soviet Union, despite the "Iron Curtain" and all the anti-communist rhetoric.
Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, Occidental Petroleum, American Express, Chase Manhattan Bank, Deutsche Bank, Lloyds of London, Barclays, Volkswagan and dozens of other capitalist corporations were all doing business with the "Evil Empire". <b>
Buy yourself a used copy of the book <a target="_blank" href="http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=7073843&wtit=vodka cola&ptit=Vodka Cola&pauth=Levinson, Charles&pisbn=&pqty=21&pqtynew=0&pbest=6.95&matches=21&qsort=r&cm_re=works*listing*title">&quot;VODKA-COLA&quot;</a> by Charles Levinson
It's all in there.</b>

Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, is the credo of most of the politicians & businessman that together conspire to keep the majority of American people ignorant while they pursue their own megalomaniacal path to Power & Wealth. It has nothing to do with the Democrat or Republican labels.

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Tian: </font> The T.D. Allman expose on Wolfowitz's Neo-Con "Let's Take Over The World" policy is from his book
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The other information is compiled from The Trilateral Commission, Foreign Affairs, The Times of London.</b>

All of these institutions are conservative Pro-US Imperialism institutions.
Their critique which I totally agree with, is that Wolfowitz's neo-con unilaterist policy is an asinine failure. As I have said before in other post; even if you believe in American Empire, what we are doing in Iraq right now is the height of stupidity.

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hoodedgoon

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Resistance is futile. Just accept your middle class lifestyle, that bubble goose and the free pussy and stfu. I personally think GW is a lying, cheating son of a bitch. But i gotta support the dickhead cause if he loses now we are all screwed. i don't feel no sympaty for those fighting this war. they all voluntarily signed up to kill, whether it be i-ra-qi's or whatever.

as long as rastaclause brings my shit, every day is christmas.
now i gotta go crab some chowder.
 

tian

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muckraker10021 said:
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Guys this bogus war stuff is non-partisan!!!!!!

The Democrats under Lyndon Baines Johnson escalated the Vietnam War under the bogus pretense of "the Domino Theory" and "Communism Suppression".
Over 58,000 American Soldiers died
Over 3,000,000 Vietnamese died.
The bogus premise turned Vietnam from a 'police action' into full-fledged war was an ALLEGED attack of of a US Navy ship by the Viet Cong on Aug. 4, 1964.

Congress passed the "Tonkin Gulf Resolution" authorizing President Johnson quickly to "take all necessary measures" to repel attacks on U.S. forces. The first U.S. combat troops landed in South Vietnam seven months later.
<b>
READ: http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html
</b>
During the Vietnam War against communism, American & Western European Capitalism were doing billions of dollars worth of business with the so-called Evil Empire Soviet Union, despite the "Iron Curtain" and all the anti-communist rhetoric.
Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola, Occidental Petroleum, American Express, Chase Manhattan Bank, Deutsche Bank, Lloyds of London, Barclays, Volkswagan and dozens of other capitalist corporations were all doing business with the "Evil Empire". <b>
Buy yourself a used copy of the book <a target="_blank" href="http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=7073843&wtit=vodka cola&ptit=Vodka Cola&pauth=Levinson, Charles&pisbn=&pqty=21&pqtynew=0&pbest=6.95&matches=21&qsort=r&cm_re=works*listing*title">&quot;VODKA-COLA&quot;</a> by Charles Levinson
It's all in there.</b>

Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, is the credo of most of the politicians & businessman that together conspire to keep the majority of American people ignorant while they pursue their own megalomaniacal path to Power & Wealth. It has nothing to do with the Democrat or Republican labels.

<font color="#0000FF" size="4"><b>
Tian: </font> The T.D. Allman expose on Wolfowitz's Neo-Con "Let's Take Over The World" policy is from his book
<img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560255625.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg" width="200" height="305">

The other information is compiled from The Trilateral Commission, Foreign Affairs, The Times of London.</b>

All of these institutions are conservative Pro-US Imperialism institutions.
Their critique which I totally agree with, is that Wolfowitz's neo-con unilaterist policy is an asinine failure. As I have said before in other post; even if you believe in American Empire, what we are doing in Iraq right now is the height of stupidity.

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Thanks, Muckraker!

tian
 

QueEx

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I have this burning question: Bush assailed Newsweek for its reporting over the Guantanamo/Abuse of the Quran matter, even demanding that Newsweek issue a retraction of the story. But, why is the Administration <u>silent</u> with respect to the Sunday Times of London who broke the story on the Downing Street memorandum ???

QueEx

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Dolemite

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QueEx said:
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I have this burning question: Bush assailed Newsweek for its reporting over the Guantanamo/Abuse of the Quran matter, even demanding that Newsweek issue a retraction of the story. But, why is the Administration <u>silent</u> with respect to the Sunday Times of London who broke the story on the Downing Street memorandum ???

QueEx

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***edit- misread your comments
They're silent because they don't have to address any real problems with the shit they do. Who holds them accountable? Why can Martha Stewart be prosecuted in a flash and Ken Lay is still chilling waiting for trial? Who holds this government legally accountable for the shit they do???????

What happened to the days when that would have been asked on Mcneil Lehrer or some other daily news show? Now you're lucky to see it addressed on a sunday morning political show.
 
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