I disagree Dude, Zab did give Floyd trouble. Maybe it's based on the standard Floyd set previously by being so subliminally dominant but Zab did more than just hold his own. Especially considering Dude had just lost to Baldomir. One thing I give Floyd credit for is, he is a psychiatrist in the ring too, he figured out how to calmly make Zab implode, which he often does once he starts to gas. Also, regardless of how Shane beat Mayorga, he knocked him out!!! Mayorga's wild ass gave a lot of guys trouble, and while he was no Willie Pep, he did have an unorthodox skill set that was troubling to some. It also shows that Shane carries his power in the latter rounds, which is something Floyd needs to look out for in that unlike Mayorga he wont be pressuring Shane and making him expend as much energy...which makes him dangerous until the final bell...
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I disagree Dude, Zab did give Floyd trouble. Maybe it's based on the standard Floyd set previously by being so subliminally dominant but Zab did more than just hold his own. Especially considering Dude had just lost to Baldomir. One thing I give Floyd credit for is, he is a psychiatrist in the ring too, he figured out how to calmly make Zab implode, which he often does once he starts to gas. Also, regardless of how Shane beat Mayorga, he knocked him out!!! Mayorga's wild ass gave a lot of guys trouble, and while he was no Willie Pep, he did have an unorthodox skill set that was troubling to some. It also shows that Shane carries his power in the latter rounds, which is something Floyd needs to look out for in that unlike Mayorga he wont be pressuring Shane and making him expend as much energy...which makes him dangerous until the final bell...
A. Not saying he can't change his style up. But why would he need to change up against guys like Baldomir or Gatti, an old Oscar or Ricky Hatton, or a severely undersized and slow Marquez. Shane would've destroyed any of those guys had he fought them when Floyd did. 33 is kinda old to switch up your style when you rely heavily on reflex and speed.
B. If he goes too hard that might be a mistake imho. Stick to what works, but I'm sure he'll adapt as needed.
C.Berto needs to rematch with Collazo, fuck the bullshit, he barely escaped with his belt in that fight, imho Berto still ain't ready to fight with the big three. I think he could pose some slight problems for Pacman until he was overwhelmed. He ain't fuckin with Floyd. And I think Mosley would ko his ass. But if I was his promoter the safest bet would be Shane and hope he gets old on fight night.
Did someone say Floyd relies heavily on reflex and speed? Wow. I thought he was just a master genius with ultimate boxing knowledge, the greatest defense of all time, and infallible technique.
Yeah, I caught that shit too.Old or not, he's still number 3 in the p4p rankings and hasn't really lost much of his handspeed or stamina. I was actually surprised that he looked about as fast as Floyd when he was doing his pad work with brother Nazim.
I don't see why anyone is surprised by Mosley's speed. Mosley has always been a fast guy from way back. Mayweather is fast but I never found him to be Meldrick Taylor fast or Roy Jones fast.
I actually see Nazim as being the difference in this fight!!! Dude is an underrated trainer and intelligent as hell.... I also don't think Shane is gonna let Floyd get in his head and go in the ring mad..Too much experience for that shit! Floyd is saying some foul shit though, I believe Floyd is a little worried, more than usual though, I've never seen him THIS focused on trying to piss a Dude off, even when he fought Oscar he didn't go at Oscar this hard...
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Maybe I spoke too soon...
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Greatest of all time, nope. One of.....definitely. In large part ENABLED by reflex and speed. His technique is another story, I'll give you that. But loss of speed and reflex is the reason why most defensive masters can't fight into their late 30's and forites, with few exceptions. Which is why I can't call him the greatest defensive master ever, it's more impressive to me to not get hit when you aren't that fast or mobile like say a James Tone. I respect your view though, if you think Floyd is the greatest than at least you guys have something in common.
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He did more than hold his own, had that been a four round fight, Floyd would've lost.
Mayorga beat Forrest and Forrest beat Shane cause styles make fights.
Forrest was overrated... he beat Shane because of his size advantage. Which is the same reason nobody at welter wanted to fight Williams.
Mayorga beat Forrest because he has a tough chin and pressured Forrest like he has never been pressured before. Forrest didn't know what to do with it.
Oscar has been washed up before he fought Mayorga and he wasn't getting beat in that fight before the KO... it was just close
Tito beat Mayorga cause Mayorga was just there to take the shots.
Shane was losing by 1-2 round before the KO and at that point Mayorga was considered a rebound fighter. Shit Oscar probably told Shane to fight Mayorga and get the easy win off a nigga with a name.
good cause I didn't think I was talking too crazy. If I were Berto's promoter I would be afraid to put him in the ring with any of the top three, but if you want Berto to be the top guy at welter after these nigga's retire... he has to fight one of them atleast.
I'm putting Berto in the Ring with Floyd. He stands a better chance of getting beaten up fighting Pac or Shane, and if he loses to Floyd, and I don't see him getting dominated, I see him getting technically beaten not physically beaten. It's those physical ass whippings that ruin Dudes! Ask David Reid, Fernando Vargas....Kelly Pavlik...
I don't know dude, I thought Shane looked stale and a little bored, but I didn't think Mayorga was winning that fight, I'll have to check that fight again. I remember being bored and I remember it being a sloppy fight. I don't think Forrest was overrated, it was just an example of Vernon having Shane's number, he did beat him in the amateurs if I'm not mistaken. Vernon would've given Floyd all kinda problems with that quick ass jab and straight right. In his prime Vernon only lost to Mayorga and Ricardo was like the most talked about fighter at the time. Mayorga's a powerful, tough, awkward nicca with a hard chin who's been in with some big names and gave them some hard fights.
I'm putting Berto in the Ring with Floyd. He stands a better chance of getting beaten up fighting Pac or Shane, and if he loses to Floyd, and I don't see him getting dominated, I see him getting technically beaten not physically beaten. It's those physical ass whippings that ruin Dudes! Ask David Reid, Fernando Vargas....Kelly Pavlik...
^^^^^^^Good point. No shame in getting out boxed by Floyd.
And he's fast enough to maybe catch Floyd with something he don't see coming and maybe hurt him. But then that's where the flawless technique that Zeferino was talking about comes into play. Floyd would school him in the second half of the fight.
All I got to say is Collazo to both of ya'll. If a slick C level maybe B level fighter can get in there and make Berto look bad(I think it should have been scored a draw)... I wonder what Floyd would do. Plus Collazo really isn't that fast as any of these niggas, but he was skilled enough to pick apart some of Berto's mistakes.. The only card Berto had left to play was raw aggression.
Either way I don't see Berto beating Floyd by a long shot. His chances are better to squeak by with a decision win over Shane than Floyd. Plus if a Berto v Shane fight is as action packed as it look on paper... Berto would get way more of a boost (win or lose) than getting countered by Floyd for 12 rounds.
I feel you Fam but that Collazo fight was a few years ago and I believe Berto is a much different fighter now. Plus, I see him as more confident as well, and boxing is 60% mental IMO. Also, we keep referring to Floyd like he is a 22 year old. Dude will be 33-34 by his next fight after Shane, just like a lot of fighters who rely on reflexes, his will eventually begin to fade, no matter what he believes. I see him getting out of the game before too long once that starts but if he steps in the ring with a Strong young fighter like Berto, he does stand the risk of getting caught. The thing with Floyd is, no one knows how he will react if he has to go into a dog fight with a strong puncher. Castillo gave him fits the first time but Castillo wasn't half the puncher Shane or Berto is...
Well the Quintana fight was a few weeks ago and Berto was making a lot of mistakes still.
I still say Floyd will retire if he can get a couple fights out of Pac. In reality Berto isn't even on Floyd's radar unless he can't get Pac but I see maybe 3 more fights from Floyd.
I hear you guys both.
Alaskan, that's why I said fuck the big 3 at welter, he needs to fight Collazo again. If he wants to garner attention, an action packed trilogy (I say trilogy because I think Collazo is capable of taking a rematch if he boxes a little more instead of exchanging so much)with another young fighter waiting his turn also would be a good way to do it. Luis is no joke though. He was the first to beat Hatton imho and got robbed and would have beaten Berto had he not gassed out in the last round. I think in large part, due to inactivity. He's more than a spoiler, he's a highly skilled fighter with heart and a great chin who alot of cats have tried hard to stay away from.
I think Nazim is basing his theory that Floyd will come out of his shell, largely based on Floyd's performance in the Castillo fight. Jose got to Floyd's upper body more effectively than anyone had before or since, and to Floyd's credit he stayed in the pocket and fired right back, to his detriment though. Shane has a better arsenal than Castillo, is faster and can force a fight in many more ways. Floyd would be hard pressed to do to Shane what he did to Castillo in the rematch. The referee also took away Floyd's ability to use his elbow and forearm as a weapon in the first Castillo fight, that shit is a big part of Floyd's defense. He pushes his opponent away with the elbow or forearm and shoots the straight right over it.
Question: You guys even gonna bother tuning into Adamek/Arreola? Could be some fireworks, either way I see it ending by KO.
Alaskan, that's why I said fuck the big 3 at welter, he needs to fight Collazo again. If he wants to garner attention, an action packed trilogy (I say trilogy because I think Collazo is capable of taking a rematch if he boxes a little more instead of exchanging so much)with another young fighter waiting his turn also would be a good way to do it. Luis is no joke though. He was the first to beat Hatton imho and got robbed and would have beaten Berto had he not gassed out in the last round. I think in large part, due to inactivity. He's more than a spoiler, he's a highly skilled fighter with heart and a great chin who alot of cats have tried hard to stay away from.
I think Nazim is basing his theory that Floyd will come out of his shell, largely based on Floyd's performance in the Castillo fight. Jose got to Floyd's upper body more effectively than anyone had before or since, and to Floyd's credit he stayed in the pocket and fired right back, to his detriment though. Shane has a better arsenal than Castillo, is faster and can force a fight in many more ways. Floyd would be hard pressed to do to Shane what he did to Castillo in the rematch. The referee also took away Floyd's ability to use his elbow and forearm as a weapon in the first Castillo fight, that shit is a big part of Floyd's defense. He pushes his opponent away with the elbow or forearm and shoots the straight right over it.
Question: You guys even gonna bother tuning into Adamek/Arreola? Could be some fireworks, either way I see it ending by KO.
Well the Quintana fight was a few weeks ago and Berto was making a lot of mistakes still.
I still say Floyd will retire if he can get a couple fights out of Pac. In reality Berto isn't even on Floyd's radar unless he can't get Pac but I see maybe 3 more fights from Floyd.
I agree...but...Haiti Earthquake, Lay off, and he still knocked Dude out!!!
I really dont see Floyd fighting 3 more fights. Outside of a possible rematch with Shane and maybe a fight with Pac and a rematch...there is no one left for him to fight. Also, though, unfortunately the Valero suicide makes the Pac vs Mayweather fight a lot more likely, as many were trumpeting Valero as a possible Pac opponent. (Gotta keep with the theme of the thread) Collazo just bounced to Jr. Middle. Said he couldnt make WW anymore.
Fuck it... with Collazo out, Berto should fight Clottey
Fuck it... with Collazo out, Berto should fight Clottey
I'd rather watch him fight one of these:
There'd be more action.
BERTO CANNOT FUCK WITH SOUTHPAWS! I don't know how you guys haven't been able to see that. The southpaw stance just throws this guy off completely. It's not that Collazo is so skillful or any of that stuff. Berto even looked off balance when he fought that face first Urango. Even Quintana should not have lasted as long as he did and whenever he stepped back and used the southpaw angles he was hitting Berto with straight left hands. That's why Berto's only recourse was to bum rush Collazo and eliminate the southpaw angle by squaring up his guy. It was exactly like when Jeff Lacy fought Vanderpool. He could barely defend against the shots coming from the southpaw angle so he rushed Vanderpool and forced him to square up.
Unless Mayweather were to turn southpaw in a fight with Collazo, I see no reason to determine that the Collazo fight is some sort of barometer for how a Berto vs Mayweather fight would be. A stance changes a whole fight and Berto's management is only risking his undefeated status by putting him in with these bummish southpaws back to back.
Unless Mayweather were to turn southpaw in a fight with Collazo, I see no reason to determine that the Collazo fight is some sort of barometer for how a Berto vs Mayweather fight would be. A stance changes a whole fight and Berto's management is only risking his undefeated status by putting him in with these bummish southpaws back to back.
It's funny but Floyd talk has hijacked about 20 threads on this Jawn!!!"""
Yep.
It's troubling.
Jr. middle is deep as fuck. Jim Lampley gave a lot of praise to the welterweight division but outside of the Big Three and Berto, who fights at welter especially if Cotto beats Foreman? Jr. welterweight and jr. middle are all deeper with more interesting matchups. Not saying it's full of world beaters but it is full of HBO Boxing After Dark or even World Championship Boxing quality guys.
There'd be more action.
All day.
fuck it... I would set up Berto vs Hatton if I was Berto's Promoter. Hatton has a name, isn't dangerous and I would bet Hatton wouldn't mine getting on last check.
It's funny but Floyd talk has hijacked about 20 threads on this Jawn!!!
I didn't catch this comment the first time around, I got the next 2 weeks off and Mr. Dewars keeps my company while my girl's at work. But, you're exactly right, Floyd's like a virus in the Sports Forum....
On the real, I'm never mad at Floyd or any other brother for gettin paid. Get that money!!!
Is Bradley moving up to welter, that might be another option down the line. 147 will have some pretty good fighters moving up in the near future, these guys at 140 won't be able to stay there forever. And junior welter is a pretty stacked division.
Oh and if I remember correctly Lampley made some comments about welter but I think Margarito and Williams were still there, Clottey hadn't yet disgraced himself and Cotto was still Cotto.
He needs to get it before Hatton fucks around and fights Juan Manuel Marquez. After JMM beats Ricky, he's done.
Bradley's got a fight with Maidana coming up on HBO in a couple weeks and that should good (I'll make a whole different thread for that). Junior welter is much deeper than welter right now but that will change when some of these guys move up.
Ah, the days of a deep, exciting welterweight division. Now it's three fighters deep: Mayweather, Mosley, Pacquaio. Junior middleweight, super middle, and jr. welter are much deeper and stocked full of watchable fights.
It's funny but Floyd talk has hijacked about 20 threads on this Jawn!!!
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