Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says

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Two unrelated articles that gives a glimpse of how easily McDonald's will adapt to $15/hour workers. Completely predictable and already predicted multiple times.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mcdonalds-quietly-copying-chipotles-strategy-164700355.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mcdonalds-may-soon-be-more-like-chipotle-2014-03-10

GET TABLETed!!!!

That won't take hold and will end up like self checkout in grocery stores: hot for a minute but short lived.

Even still, this means the employees need to fight harder to get those wage increases because the employers are trying to replace some of them now at the lower wages. At least this way, the ones remaining will be making more money.
 

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What makes the argument moot, and silly, is how folks are trying to place a vaulue on how much they should get paid rather than how much their dollar should be worth.. The true answer lies in the difference between money snd currency.. Lack of knowledge for the truth will have you fighting for your own bondage, with out you knowing....
 

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What makes the argument moot, and silly, is how folks are trying to place a vaulue on how much they should get paid rather than how much their dollar should be worth.. The true answer lies in the difference between money snd currency.. Lack of knowledge for the truth will have you fighting for your own bondage, with out you knowing....


Assuming arguendo, that you're right, what should be the minimum wage earners argument/cause, right now ??? Explain.

 

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Assuming arguendo, that you're right, what should be the minimum wage earners argument/cause, right now ??? Explain.

Wages are relevant to the value of the dollar.... As a black man, I would love for poor people to get more money, but in reality I know that we are dealing with a very fragile fiat currency that is way overvalued and if the US dollar were to go to its actual value many poor people would die of starvation due to super inflation..
In short wage adjustment is nothing more than a tool that politicians use to stirr up the emotions of the American people, getting them to believe that there are simple answers for their problems, its similar to how they always talk about reducing the deficit, knowing damn well that, being that money is created by debt, the only way to reduce the debt would be to reduce money and being that there is more debt than money even if there were no money in existence there will still be debt..
The situation is very complexed, not something you can figure out with so called common sense, but the key is understanding the difference between currency and money and understanding how fiat money works..
 

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Wages are relevant to the value of the dollar.... As a black man, I would love for poor people to get more money, but in reality I know that we are dealing with a very fragile fiat currency that is way overvalued and if the US dollar were to go to its actual value many poor people would die of starvation due to super inflation..
In short wage adjustment is nothing more than a tool that politicians use to stirr up the emotions of the American people, getting them to believe that there are simple answers for their problems, its similar to how they always talk about reducing the deficit, knowing damn well that, being that money is created by debt, the only way to reduce the debt would be to reduce money and being that there is more debt than money even if there were no money in existence there will still be debt..
The situation is very complexed, not something you can figure out with so called common sense, but the key is understanding the difference between currency and money and understanding how fiat money works..


Here we go again!

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If you can't explain to me the difference between money and currency, sit down, shut up and learn something..

Money based on commodities was the reason the Spanish empire failed.

There is not enough gold in the world to back all of the goods and services the US has.
 

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Money based on commodities was the reason the Spanish empire failed.

There is not enough gold in the world to back all of the goods and services the US has.

Currency = Medium of exchange, a unit of account, portable, durable, divisible, fungible

Money= Medium of exchange, a unit of account, portable, durable, divisible, fungible plus Store of value


Because government can print an unlimited amount of cash and dilute the currency supply, its continually transferring wealth,out of our pocket to the Government and Banks.

And due to the ever changing purchasing value of the dollar, what we have in our pocket isn't always indicative to what we can spend with the cash, so I ask, what is the use of having more money but at the same time, forced to purchase less and less with it..

Due to this fact that our dollar has no Store of value, what we call money is really currency and currency is measured on what you can purchase with it, not how much you have.
 
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Currency = Medium of exchange, a unit of account, portable, durable, divisible, fungible

Money= Medium of exchange, a unit of account, portable, durable, divisible, fungible plus Store of value


Because government can print an unlimited amount of cash and dilute the currency supply, its continually transferring wealth,out of our pocket to the Government and Banks.

And due to the ever changing purchasing value of the dollar, what we have in our pocket isn't always indicative to what we can spend with the cash, so I ask, what is the use of having more money but at the same time, forced to purchase less and less with it..

Due to this fact that our dollar has no Store of value, what we call money is really currency and currency is measured on what you can purchase with it, not how much you have.



The US dollar is the world's reserve currency.

Universally fungible.

Wages are relevant to the value of the dollar....


This still doesn't explain that the workers are sharing less and less of the profits of the labor.
 

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The US dollar is the world's reserve currency.

Universally fungible.



This still doesn't explain that the workers are sharing less and less of the profits of the labor.

I never said that workers should share less and less, I am saying lowering purchasing power is the result of the weakening dollar and the first ones affected are usually the poor, think of think of them as the canary in the cave..
Understand that the problem isn't wages but the weakening US currency, now that be the case, the worse thing you can do in that situation is print out more money to circulate around (unless you can assure higher production and profit to go alone with the raise, in reality all that is happening is more money to pay them will be printed, the only alternative is to raise the prices to at least raise the profit.

Now I know you and I are on the same page when it comes to redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor but unfortunately unless the power that be are willing to do something that goes completely against their nature that is absorb the cost out of their profit, then the only thing they would do, is what they always do, that is print more money to pay them off, and by doing so raising the debt ceiling and making the dollar weaker...

Whats really scary is that if/when the world wakes up and get hip to the big Ponzi scheme the US is pulling over their eyes and start jumping ship, the Americans would be forced to live by the actual value of the US dollar, resulting in millions to die of starvation, and the first to feel it would be the canary in the cave.
 

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Money based on commodities was the reason the Spanish empire failed.

There is not enough gold in the world to back all of the goods and services the US has.

All fiat money currency has failed!! Every single one, the difference in this case, there has never been a world currency as today, and instead of a country collapsing it will be a world collapse..
Also there is something to note, that most people fail to consider, in order to be a super power, you must have super money, gold base money is stable and strong, however due to its limited quantities, its just not enough of it to grow with a fast booming economy of a super nation.
As the result, growth comes with growing money, and that means dilution the money, either by mixing gold coins with copper, or replacing precious metals with more common ones, to now replacing coins with paper dollars and now with bits and bites..
What makes this new currency different from Britain, Greece, Rome, Spain and all of the hundreds of fiat money in the past is not only is it the world standard as in the past, but now the US dollar has gone from gold backing to arms backing... Sure it was always like that in the past, but never at a global level, where one nation was so dominant that it could literally take out a nation with a push of a button..
The question is how much longer will the rest of the world stand to be bullied by the US dollar, and what would be the consequences if they did rebel.. If Libya is a example of such then perhaps the stage is set for WW3 the end of times..
 

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Why has this been moved to the Politics forum :smh: This needs to be shared with the masses so they could get a broader view of how the world operates..
 

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All fiat money currency has failed!! Every single one, the difference in this case, there has never been a world currency as today, and instead of a country collapsing it will be a world collapse..
Also there is something to note, that most people fail to consider, in order to be a super power, you must have super money, gold base money is stable and strong, however due to its limited quantities, its just not enough of it to grow with a fast booming economy of a super nation.
As the result, growth comes with growing money, and that means dilution the money, either by mixing gold coins with copper, or replacing precious metals with more common ones, to now replacing coins with paper dollars and now with bits and bites..
What makes this new currency different from Britain, Greece, Rome, Spain and all of the hundreds of fiat money in the past is not only is it the world standard as in the past, but now the US dollar has gone from gold backing to arms backing... Sure it was always like that in the past, but never at a global level, where one nation was so dominant that it could literally take out a nation with a push of a button..
The question is how much longer will the rest of the world stand to be bullied by the US dollar, and what would be the consequences if they did rebel.. If Libya is a example of such then perhaps the stage is set for WW3 the end of times..

Commodity money has failed.

The gold bug is an illusion.

Most posters on BGOL can give two fucks about anything other than jerking off to the porn, video games, ghetto acting rap music and super hero movies.

Quite a few of them are like you, Ron Paul Zombies that have little or no knowledge of history other than what goes on in their life time.
 

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This is a monkey ass debate, you guys are talking all about money and currency as if its relevant to the issue at. You may have some points in the world markets talking about the value of currency vs money on a global scale. But the OP and other are saying that, while rent, food and gas prices go up every year like corporate profits. Pay does not, especially for the people that are making minimum wages. I doubt any of you consider the dollar vs the yen or pound when you increase the rent for your tenants(if you have any) neither does your landlord. I Increase rent because I can, you want to live here you will pay. They accept it because it is the status quo. I don't care what they are paid as long as i get paid more. That is how the world work, in the corp world and on these streets. I gives a fuck how many pork bellies I can buy with your rents or how much frozen concentrated OJ you may be able to get. Rent has been raised, pay has not, it should because a tenant, can afford my places today may not be able to in five years. is that his fault that his pay doesn't increase as fast as rent, no!
And for the cats that live with me now if they make a career here they will have to move if they don't get a major promotion. The markets don't matter in this debate, because we are not talking about market things rent and wages are all about PROFIT so speak about that and you can stop being monkies.
 

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This is a monkey ass debate, you guys are talking all about money and currency as if its relevant to the issue at. You may have some points in the world markets talking about the value of currency vs money on a global scale. But the OP and other are saying that, while rent, food and gas prices go up every year like corporate profits. Pay does not, especially for the people that are making minimum wages. I doubt any of you consider the dollar vs the yen or pound when you increase the rent for your tenants(if you have any) neither does your landlord. I Increase rent because I can, you want to live here you will pay. They accept it because it is the status quo. I don't care what they are paid as long as i get paid more. That is how the world work, in the corp world and on these streets. I gives a fuck how many pork bellies I can buy with your rents or how much frozen concentrated OJ you may be able to get. Rent has been raised, pay has not, it should because a tenant, can afford my places today may not be able to in five years. is that his fault that his pay doesn't increase as fast as rent, no!
And for the cats that live with me now if they make a career here they will have to move if they don't get a major promotion. The markets don't matter in this debate, because we are not talking about market things rent and wages are all about PROFIT so speak about that and you can stop being monkies.

What an idiot.

You raise rent because your local market supports it.

If you own an apartment in an area where vacancies are low, then you can raise the rent based on demand.

When home sales pick up and people want the stability of owning a home, the price of rent falls.

Nobody is immune to the laws of supply and demand.
 

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This is a monkey ass debate, you guys are talking all about money and currency as if its relevant to the issue at. You may have some points in the world markets talking about the value of currency vs money on a global scale. But the OP and other are saying that, while rent, food and gas prices go up every year like corporate profits. Pay does not, especially for the people that are making minimum wages. I doubt any of you consider the dollar vs the yen or pound when you increase the rent for your tenants(if you have any) neither does your landlord. I Increase rent because I can, you want to live here you will pay. They accept it because it is the status quo. I don't care what they are paid as long as i get paid more. That is how the world work, in the corp world and on these streets. I gives a fuck how many pork bellies I can buy with your rents or how much frozen concentrated OJ you may be able to get. Rent has been raised, pay has not, it should because a tenant, can afford my places today may not be able to in five years. is that his fault that his pay doesn't increase as fast as rent, no!
And for the cats that live with me now if they make a career here they will have to move if they don't get a major promotion. The markets don't matter in this debate, because we are not talking about market things rent and wages are all about PROFIT so speak about that and you can stop being monkies.



Your comments are precisely what I had in mind when I asked the question above:




Assuming arguendo, that you're right, what should be the minimum wage earners argument/cause, right now ??? Explain.



. . . that is, the markets, currency, etc., is good fodder for academia; but not the concern of many, if not most, minimum wage earners who just want to know, how they hell they're going to pay for _________________________ (fill in the blank).

 

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What an idiot.

You raise rent because your local market supports it.

If you own an apartment in an area where vacancies are low, then you can raise the rent based on demand.

When home sales pick up and people want the stability of owning a home, the price of rent falls.

Nobody is immune to the laws of supply and demand.

:lol::lol::lol: what is supply and demand, if not a vehicle for profit. if you rent homes then you rent them with the option to buy. That offers your clients a more stable agreement. With luck they pay me all the money and choose to buy elsewhere. sometimes they choose to buy my house, who cares, I just buy another house fix it and rent it and start again. No problem
 

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Your comments are precisely what I had in mind when I asked the question above:






. . . that is, the markets, currency, etc., is good fodder for academia; but not the concern of many, if not most, minimum wage earners who just want to know, how they hell they're going to pay for _________________________ (fill in the blank).



Well said!!!
 

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What an idiot.

You raise rent because your local market supports it.

If you own an apartment in an area where vacancies are low, then you can raise the rent based on demand.

When home sales pick up and people want the stability of owning a home, the price of rent falls.

Nobody is immune to the laws of supply and demand.

The problem is there is a fundamental flaw to their logic and the way they are processing the information, its almost like some of them are trying to employ what they think is common sense to a very complex situation..
For example, they assume that just because prices are increasing in gas, rent and utilities, that there is more profit to be made, and that the wages aren't being reflected in the profits being made..
Whats flawed is the fact that gases prices, and most utilities prices aren't always dictated by profit margin, matter of fact they often lose money with higher prices, and make money with lower... Their price is dictated by the very laws of supply and demand... With utilities the demand is usually always growing but the supply is always shrinking... So unless you guys can think of a better way of creating cheap energy or ways to cheaply conserve it,m a large portion of our bills prices will continue to rise, with out any money left around to increase people salaries..
So understand this is the reason why your bills are going up and our salaries are lagging behind, its not because there is some great wizard who is sitting on his ass say screw you everyone else are going to get this money except for your guys..
As far as other people wadge increase, in todays job market, businesses have gone streamline in order to meet with the growing demand to put out cheap products in a time of growing utility prices.. The answer is to be efficient and not wast a single dime.. Now if you have skills to trimline and cut back waste, most companies are willing to you more to save them more in the future, and they are bidding with the better workers all the time, and due to supply and demand, more bidders and less qualified workers supply and demand is drives their wages up..
Same thing can be said about good engineers, especially one who has the skills to create something better for a cheaper price, again money spent on them can save money and drive up profits in sales..
So the problem isn't the workers, or even wages, the real problem is wall st and the banking system that we have... Because in reality any wage increase that is not the result of actual capital gain, will only decrease the value of the currency, and to be honest, the shit that the banks are doing has actually decreased it as low as it can go...
 

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The problem is there is a fundamental flaw to their logic and the way they are processing the information, its almost like some of them are trying to employ what they think is common sense to a very complex situation..
For example, they assume that just because prices are increasing in gas, rent and utilities, that there is more profit to be made, and that the wages aren't being reflected in the profits being made..
Whats flawed is the fact that gases prices, and most utilities prices aren't always dictated by profit margin, matter of fact they often lose money with higher prices, and make money with lower... Their price is dictated by the very laws of supply and demand... With utilities the demand is usually always growing but the supply is always shrinking... So unless you guys can think of a better way of creating cheap energy or ways to cheaply conserve it,m a large portion of our bills prices will continue to rise, with out any money left around to increase people salaries..
So understand this is the reason why your bills are going up and our salaries are lagging behind, its not because there is some great wizard who is sitting on his ass say screw you everyone else are going to get this money except for your guys..
As far as other people wadge increase, in todays job market, businesses have gone streamline in order to meet with the growing demand to put out cheap products in a time of growing utility prices.. The answer is to be efficient and not wast a single dime.. Now if you have skills to trimline and cut back waste, most companies are willing to you more to save them more in the future, and they are bidding with the better workers all the time, and due to supply and demand, more bidders and less qualified workers supply and demand is drives their wages up..
Same thing can be said about good engineers, especially one who has the skills to create something better for a cheaper price, again money spent on them can save money and drive up profits in sales..
So the problem isn't the workers, or even wages, the real problem is wall st and the banking system that we have... Because in reality any wage increase that is not the result of actual capital gain, will only decrease the value of the currency, and to be honest, the shit that the banks are doing has actually decreased it as low as it can go...

It all started in 1980


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Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate
By Elizabeth Campbell and Tim Jones
Dec 2, 2014 2:08 PM CT

Chicago’s City Council approved a 57 percent boost in the minimum wage, gradually raising it to $13 an hour by 2019.

The 44-to-5 vote today came at the urging of Democratic Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who faces a re-election vote in February. Opponents, including those who said the increase wasn’t enough and those who warned it would put Chicago businesses at a disadvantage, were overcome by a strengthening national move to boost pay for minimum-wage workers, currently making $8.25 an hour throughout Illinois.

The minimum wage is “about making sure nobody who works raises a child in poverty,” Emanuel said after the vote. “You cannot have a thriving small business on a work force that is living on subsistence wages.”

With Congress ignoring President Barack Obama’s Sept. 1 call to raise the federal minimum to $10.10 from $7.25, states and cities have plunged ahead, mandating higher pay in Washington and Oregon, as well as Seattle, San Francisco and Oakland, California. Voters in Republican-leaning Alaska, Arkansas, Nebraska and South Dakota endorsed increases in referendums last month. California’s minimum wage would increase to $13 a hour, the highest for a state, under legislation introduced yesterday.

Creating Disparity

The lopsided vote in Chicago belied the friction of a debate that has lasted months.

Alderman Tom Tunney told the council to consider the impact on businesses already under pressure. The state and federal government are the proper entities to ensure a level playing field, he said. Emanuel rapped a gavel during Tunney’s testimony to quiet the crowd in the back of the chamber.

“None of us dispute the fact that wages need to go up,” Tunney said. “We have got to protect small businesses.”

Alderman Bob Fioretti, a Democrat challenging Emanuel in the 2015 mayoral race, called the $13-an-hour ordinance a good beginning.

“It is a first step on the road to get workers the dignity they deserve,” he said. “In order to be truly a world-class city, we must continue the fight for $15.”

Almost two dozen City Council members had backed a $15 wage, which increased pressure on Emanuel to push for raising the minimum.

Today’s vote creates a disparity between the Illinois wage and that of the state’s largest city. The Democratic-controlled legislature is considering a bill that would raise the statewide $8.25 minimum to as high as $11 dollars.

Catalytic Action

“Raising the minimum wage in Chicago and across Illinois is the right thing to do for all hardworking families,” Democratic Governor Pat Quinn said in an e-mailed statement.

Democrats are pressing the issue over the objections of Republican Governor-elect Bruce Rauner, who has said he would support an increase only if tied to changes in business regulations.

“Raising the minimum wage doesn’t help somebody who’s unemployed,” Rauner told reporters at a Springfield news briefing. “And it doesn’t help somebody who is employed today and could get unemployed because of the lack of competitiveness that raising the minimum wage can engender.”

The minimum will initially increase to $10 an hour in July. Wages will then climb to $11 by 2017, and reach $13 by 2019, according to a statement from Emanuel’s office. The rate will adjust for inflation after 2019.

The city’s move may inspire lawmakers in Springfield, the capital, Emanuel told reporters after the vote.

“It’s time to act, and I do believe it will be the key that turns the ignition for the state to deal with this,” he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...nimum-wage-plan-amid-compensation-debate.html
 

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Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate


The 44-to-5 vote today came at the urging of Democratic Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who faces a re-election vote in February. Opponents, including those who said the increase wasn’t enough and those who warned it would put Chicago businesses at a disadvantage . . . ,

weren't employing Chicago youth anyway, even at a dollar two ninety eight.

 

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weren't employing Chicago youth anyway, even at a dollar two ninety eight.

Actually, they were employing a ton of Chicago youths, just not the black males.

The immigration thread provided the question that should be asked after every economic statute is passed, "how does this affect black unemployment."

That is, if black people ever decided to put themselves ahead of the Democratic Party.
 

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Actually, they were employing a ton of Chicago youths, just not the black males.

The immigration thread provided the question that should be asked after every economic statute is passed, "how does this affect black unemployment."

That is, if black people ever decided to put themselves ahead of the Democratic Party.


So the employers employing undocumented workers should be going to jail.
 

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:lol::lol::lol: what is supply and demand, if not a vehicle for profit. if you rent homes then you rent them with the option to buy. That offers your clients a more stable agreement. With luck they pay me all the money and choose to buy elsewhere. sometimes they choose to buy my house, who cares, I just buy another house fix it and rent it and start again. No problem

source: Bill Moyers
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The Rent Is Too Damn High — And It Doesn’t Have To Be

A sign held at the Rally to Restore Sanity in Washington, DC, October 30, 2010. (Image: Flickr/ Grace C)


A series of ugly economic dynamics have come together to create a serious shortage of affordable housing in the US.

The rent is too damn high, and here are some reasons why: Demand for rental properties is way up. Millions of families lost homes in the crash. Others, who might have been able to secure a loan to purchase a home when the banks were handing mortgages out like candy are now unable to meet stricter lending requirements that were put in place after the bubble burst. According to Census data, today’s home ownership rate is around four percentage points lower than it was before the Great Recession.

Supply isn’t keeping up. The crash brought new housing construction to a screeching halt. Typically, builders add around a million housing units per year to keep up with population growth. But between 2008 and 2010, we added only a half million units, and two million more in the three years since then.

So demand for rentals has outpaced supply. Before the crash, 10 percent of rental units were vacant. Today, that figure stands at 7.4 percent. You have to go back almost 20 years, to early 1995, to find a vacancy rate that low.

Meanwhile, incomes for most Americans remain well below what they were before the crash. In fact, when adjusted for inflation, the median income — for the family right in the middle of the pack– is below what it was in 1989. So taken together, median income and rental costs look like this graphic from Mother Jones:

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That means renters are spending a larger share of their incomes on housing. The federal government defines housing costs as “unaffordable” when they exceed 30 percent of one’s income. The number of households shelling out more than that — and in some cases more than half of their incomes — has been rising, as this graphic reveals:

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(Those who can afford to own aren’t necessarily doing better. While loan rates remain low and sales prices haven’t fully rebounded since the real estate bubble burst, the latest trend on Wall Street is to buy up distressed properties in bulk, take them off the market for a while and then resell them down the road when prices go up. Financial reporter David Dayen writes that this process is “starting bidding wars that have driven up some prices well above national averages.” According to the real estate tracking firm Zillow, even with today’s low interest rates, the total costs of owning a home are above historical norms in 24 of the 30 largest metro areas it covers.)

And these national trends don’t tell the whole story. The real estate markets that were hottest during the growth of the real estate bubble have seen the most painful crashes. So the “affordability gap” is a problem that’s concentrated in select urban areas, and is hitting renters the hardest.

Some cities — and some states — are taking an aggressive approach to their affordability gaps. Others are doing little or nothing to increase the supply of affordable housing.

What’s clear is that at the federal, state and local levels, a lot more could be done.

Stuart Meck, a planning expert at Rutgers’ Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy, tells BillMoyers.com that the most effective way to increase the supply of affordable housing isn’t necessarily the easiest political lift: “Probably the most effective way to get affordable housing built is through mandatory inclusionary zoning, where any developer who wants to build market-rate housing has to provide a certain amount of housing that’s affordable for a household making up to 80 percent of the area’s median income.”

Some communities have enacted optional programs that incentivize developers who choose to build affordable units, but Meck says that landlords tend to shy away from these incentives because of the added administrative work. “It means that every year you have to income-qualify all of the tenants, which adds significant additional costs,” says Meck.

Another approach is to conduct what the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) calls “an analysis of impediments.” That means going through a community’s zoning requirements and eliminating unnecessary restrictions on adding new stock. “You could allow denser housing, or change your public works standards if they’re gold-plated,” says Meck. “You might allow higher buildings — all of these things might loosen up the code and make it easier to build more housing.” That process can be politically fraught — opinions vary as to what codes are “unnecessary” — but Meck says it can be quite effective in cities with dense zoning requirements.

Some metropolitan areas have established “regional housing trust funds” which take developer fees, federal block grants for community development and other sources of funding, then turn those dollars around to give developers an incentive to build affordable housing. These programs have borne fruit in communities like Clark County, Washington; Sacramento, California and Columbus, Ohio.

Forty-seven states have established similar funds, but with varying degrees of effectiveness and a lot of variation in funding levels. In Washington State, a model program called the Housing Trust Fund receives, according to HUD, “steady-stream revenues from various sources, including interest on upfront payments in mortgage transactions, loan repayments, capital bonds, and state legislature funding.” The program was established in 1987, and by 2013, “$5.50 in additional funds had been leveraged for every dollar awarded from the housing trust fund.”

In 2005, a 10-year MacArthur Foundation grant helped establish Chicago’s Preservation Compact of Cook County. It’s a public-private partnership that brings together housing experts, community organizers and local politicians to identify ways to promote affordable housing through regulation, retrofitting old rundown properties, and reducing landlords’ operating costs with credits to improve energy efficiency and tax breaks. It has generated enough success that four years later, MacArthur put seed money into a similar project, the Ohio Preservation Compact.

The federal government’s primary tool for making housing affordable is the Section 8 voucher program, named after a provision of the Housing Act of 1937. This program makes up the difference between 30 percent of qualified tenants’ incomes and market based rents. It provides tenants with vouchers they can give to their landlords, or guarantees that the government will make up what landlords who choose to build affordable housing projects would lose compared to building market-rate housing.

But the Section 8 housing program has faced a series of cuts, including deep reductions as a result of the sequester. And when tenants leave project-based Section 8 housing, they lose the subsidy. So they tend to stay put, and there are long waits for apartments to open up. What’s more, there aren’t enough tenant-based vouchers to go around, and that waiting list is long, too. And then many landlords refuse to accept the tenant vouchers.

A simple change to the Housing Act requiring landlords to accept the vouchers would resolve the latter problem. Increasing the program’s funding — or at least restoring it to pre-sequester levels — could help deal with the former.

Then there are outside-the-box ideas that could make an impact. Economist Dean Baker has long advocated that families who lose their homes to foreclosure be granted a “right to rent” their properties at market rate for an extended period of time. This would help on the demand side of the equation by keeping people in their homes rather than moving into rental units while those bank-owned properties sit idle. It’s been endorsed by experts from across the political spectrum — and a bill has been introduced in Congress — but so far the idea has gained little traction within the Beltway.

The take-away from all of this is that while many of our communities are facing a crisis of affordable housing, it doesn’t have to be that way. There are a number of approaches to this very real problem, but so far our political class hasn’t been up to the task. The real estate lobbies don’t want the restrictions, and, as is true with so many other bread-and-butter issues, the politicians effectively have turned a blind eye to the problem.



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That means renters are spending a larger share of their incomes on housing. The federal government defines housing costs as “unaffordable” when they exceed 30 percent of one’s income. The number of households shelling out more than that — and in some cases more than half of their incomes — has been rising, as this graphic reveals:



(Those who can afford to own aren’t necessarily doing better. While loan rates remain low and sales prices haven’t fully rebounded since the real estate bubble burst, the latest trend on Wall Street is to buy up distressed properties in bulk, take them off the market for a while and then resell them down the road when prices go up. Financial reporter David Dayen writes that this process is “starting bidding wars that have driven up some prices well above national averages.” According to the real estate tracking firm Zillow, even with today’s low interest rates, the total costs of owning a home are above historical norms in 24 of the 30 largest metro areas it covers.)
And these national trends don’t tell the whole story. The real estate markets that were hottest during the growth of the real estate bubble have seen the most painful crashes. So the “affordability gap” is a problem that’s concentrated in select urban areas, and is hitting renters the hardest.
Some cities — and some states — are taking an aggressive approach to their affordability gaps. Others are doing little or nothing to increase the supply of affordable housing.
What’s clear is that at the federal, state and local levels, a lot more could be done.
Stuart Meck, a planning expert at Rutgers’ Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy, tells BillMoyers.com that the most effective way to increase the supply of affordable housing isn’t necessarily the easiest political lift: “Probably the most effective way to get affordable housing built is through mandatory inclusionary zoning, where any developer who wants to build market-rate housing has to provide a certain amount of housing that’s affordable for a household making up to 80 percent of the area’s median income.”
Some communities have enacted optional programs that incentivize developers who choose to build affordable units, but Meck says that landlords tend to shy away from these incentives because of the added administrative work. “It means that every year you have to income-qualify all of the tenants, which adds significant additional costs,” says Meck.
Another approach is to conduct what the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) calls “an analysis of impediments.” That means going through a community’s zoning requirements and eliminating unnecessary restrictions on adding new stock. “You could allow denser housing, or change your public works standards if they’re gold-plated,” says Meck. “You might allow higher buildings — all of these things might loosen up the code and make it easier to build more housing.” That process can be politically fraught — opinions vary as to what codes are “unnecessary” — but Meck says it can be quite effective in cities with dense zoning requirements.
Some metropolitan areas have established “regional housing trust funds” which take developer fees, federal block grants for community development and other sources of funding, then turn those dollars around to give developers an incentive to build affordable housing. These programs have borne fruit in communities like Clark County, Washington; Sacramento, California and Columbus, Ohio.
Forty-seven states have established similar funds, but with varying degrees of effectiveness and a lot of variation in funding levels. In Washington State, a model program called the Housing Trust Fund receives, according to HUD, “steady-stream revenues from various sources, including interest on upfront payments in mortgage transactions, loan repayments, capital bonds, and state legislature funding.” The program was established in 1987, and by 2013, “$5.50 in additional funds had been leveraged for every dollar awarded from the housing trust fund.”
In 2005, a 10-year MacArthur Foundation grant helped establish Chicago’s Preservation Compact of Cook County. It’s a public-private partnership that brings together housing experts, community organizers and local politicians to identify ways to promote affordable housing through regulation, retrofitting old rundown properties, and reducing landlords’ operating costs with credits to improve energy efficiency and tax breaks. It has generated enough success that four years later, MacArthur put seed money into a similar project, the Ohio Preservation Compact.
The federal government’s primary tool for making housing affordable is the Section 8 voucher program, named after a provision of the Housing Act of 1937. This program makes up the difference between 30 percent of qualified tenants’ incomes and market based rents. It provides tenants with vouchers they can give to their landlords, or guarantees that the government will make up what landlords who choose to build affordable housing projects would lose compared to building market-rate housing.
But the Section 8 housing program has faced a series of cuts, including deep reductions as a result of the sequester. And when tenants leave project-based Section 8 housing, they lose the subsidy. So they tend to stay put, and there are long waits for apartments to open up. What’s more, there aren’t enough tenant-based vouchers to go around, and that waiting list is long, too. And then many landlords refuse to accept the tenant vouchers.
A simple change to the Housing Act requiring landlords to accept the vouchers would resolve the latter problem. Increasing the program’s funding — or at least restoring it to pre-sequester levels — could help deal with the former.
Then there are outside-the-box ideas that could make an impact. Economist Dean Baker has long advocated that families who lose their homes to foreclosure be granted a “right to rent” their properties at market rate for an extended period of time. This would help on the demand side of the equation by keeping people in their homes rather than moving into rental units while those bank-owned properties sit idle. It’s been endorsed by experts from across the political spectrum — and a bill has been introduced in Congress — but so far the idea has gained little traction within the Beltway.
The take-away from all of this is that while many of our communities are facing a crisis of affordable housing, it doesn’t have to be that way. There are a number of approaches to this very real problem, but so far our political class hasn’t been up to the task. The real estate lobbies don’t want the restrictions, and, as is true with so many other bread-and-butter issues, the politicians effectively have turned a blind eye to the problem.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.
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Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

So the employers employing undocumented workers should be going to jail.
Why? It's not the job of any random citizen to enforce the law, and we shouldn't want any random business to be responsible for determining who's breaking the law or not.

And what does that have to do with black unemployment?
 

thoughtone

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Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

Why? It's not the job of any random citizen to enforce the law, and we shouldn't want any random business to be responsible for determining who's breaking the law or not.

And what does that have to do with black unemployment?

So you are saying it's OK the to break the law if you don't get caught?
 

Greed

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Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

So you are saying it's OK the to break the law if you don't get caught?
Is this real life?

How did you make the leap from me saying who should be in charge of enforcing the law to anarchy is fine?
 

QueEx

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Super Moderator
Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

Is this real life?

How did you make the leap from me saying who should be in charge of enforcing the law to anarchy is fine?

:roflmao3::lol2: he learned it from you :confused:
 

thoughtone

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
Re: Chicago Approves $13 Minimum-Wage Plan Amid National Debate

Is this real life?

How did you make the leap from me saying who should be in charge of enforcing the law to anarchy is fine?

Why? It's not the job of any random citizen to enforce the law, and we shouldn't want any random business to be responsible for determining who's breaking the law or not.

:hmm:
 
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