Minimum wage not enough to beat poverty, research says

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
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The problem is that the minimum wage has done nothing to keep up with the cost of living. For instance, in 1964 the federal minimum wage was $1.25 gas was about 30 cents a gallon.

Currently the federal minimum wage is $7.25. Gas is $4 per gallon. That means 50 years ago you could get 4 gallons of gas for an hour's work and still get change. Now an hour's work gets you less than 2.The same thing applies to food, rent, and other living expenses. It's getting worse every year.

This cost of living surges have many varied and complicated causes. Not all of them are even correctable. That being said raising the minimum wage is a good short term solution. At the very least it will keep working people from having to live in their cars.
 

muckraker10021

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This is economics 101.If folks don't start getting the production wage ratio concept, then this country is doomed.. We need to increase productivity if we want to effectively increase wadges, with out inflation.

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I don't have time to post a 7,000 word compendium of facts here. Some of you peeps need to, turn off most televisions and read non-fiction books. It has been a short 227 years since the U.S. Constitution was ratified and America became a nation state. In 1860 the U.S. had a population of 31 Million people, a year later the Civil War started and 620,000 people died because of the warfare. 620,000 people died during the Civil War, that's 2% of the U.S. population. That would be the equivalent of 6.2 Million people being killed in America today; complete barbarism!

The white male capitalist (people with the most money) whether that money came from theft, inheritance, slavery, monopoly capitalism, etc. NEVER had any intention of paying a "fair" wage to labor. America was built on slavery, genocide, indentured servitude.

The "class" of people who didn't have "to work" (manual labor) for a living, including many of the so-called founding fathers, looked upon people who did have "to work" (manual labor) , as nothing more than expendable scum. In fact most of the white male elites didn't believe that you should be able to vote if you didn't own property.

Blacks were sub-humans, with less rights "under-the-law" than farm animals. All the way up until 1959 if a white man killed a ****** for "eyeballing" his white daughter nothing would happen to him "under-the-law", but if he killed his neighbors livestock in the middle of the night, he would go to jail.

White people who were not 'capitalist' but workers fared a little better than ni66ers, but not much better. Europeans who came here to work in American steel mills during the post Civil War industrial revolution weren't even paid money by the steel barons (the capitalists). The workers were paid with coupons that the company printed and handed to them. They could use these coupons called scrip, in the company owned store to buy food and clothing and whatever else they needed to survive. There were NO minimum wage rules, NO weekends off, NO overtime pay, NO paid vacation, NO medical benefits, etc; these white male "laborers" were neo-slaves.

When the white workers made demands for more pay and better working conditions and the ability to form a union; the capitalists (steel barons) sent in armed militia and killed anyone who wanted higher wages, better working conditions and a union.
Learn American history peeps.
You have NO excuse not to know the EXTREMELY brief history of the country.

The modern American economy that most of us grew up in, that created the world envied United States of America and the American middle class was created out of the great depression of the 1930's and the end of World War 2.

Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" of the 1930's created the modern America. Minimum wage laws, the right to form unions without being killed by the capitalists, NO child labor, safety standards in the workplace, the 5 day work week, Government paid public school teachers, Social Security, workers compensation, etc. - all these things created the link between increasing productivity and increasing wages.

Unfortunately the current incarnation of the republican party, the RepubliKlans with the growing assistance of corporate-owned Democratic Party legislators, for the past 30 years have been doing their best in conjunction with today's capitalists to destroy the link between increasing productivity and increasing wages to increase "shareholder value" $$$$$$$$ for a very small group of people - and tear down and destroy the American middle class that was created since the 1930's.

As you can see from the accompanying Federal Reserve charts productivity is rising but the 'capitalist' in conjunction with their paid-for slave bitch politicians, have made sure than NONE of the productivity increase shows up in the wages that people are earning.


Now in 2013 -2014, 95% of productivity gains are going to the .5% - Yes you read right, the top one-half of 1% (one percent) are reaping all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money. This booming .5% of the US economy is buying $100,000 and higher cars at an all time record pace, even while the other 99.5% of Americans incomes are stagnant or declining. I'll stop here.



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Greed

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This is the ultimate flaw of your thinking: forcing businesses to pay people what they're provably worth isn't welfare. Why should the government be even further involved in subsidizing businesses?
I didn't know you were big into that so I did learn something about your ideology that I hadn't learned before. I had always thought you didn't see the connection of welfare state spending and wages but clearly you do, you're just okay with it.
I am not. Instead of the state handing out money, I'm for businesses paying people a fair wage for work done.
We've been through this before. Who decides what they are "provably worth?" Who decides what a "fair wage" will be for everyone in every field doing every kind of work?

The political process right? The business and employee already got together and made the determination of worth. You come in and declare, arbitrarily, that it should be different, so you should face the consequences for your assessment. Because you think the employee is the victim, you consider your stance as some kind of justice. But in reality, it's just your feelings that you can unfortunately force onto others through the political system.

Welfare levels are a political determination enforced through political mechanisms, but you want to avoid any cost going through the political process. Of course, that's the American model that you've been getting away with for decades.

By the way, I do know the connection between "welfare state spending and wages," and it differs from what you meant above. The relation is not inverse, it's positively correlated. That's why you thought I was ignorant of it before (that and you think everyone who disagrees with your side is ignorant in general and have no legitimate points), because we've been using different base assumptions. That fact that you got it now, but didn't in the CBO/Obamacare thread says alot. Casey Mulligan and the CBO agrees with my understanding of the connection, not your understanding.

This country is the way it is because all of you think caring deeply (or passingly) about a subject makes you knowledgable about how things work. A complete lack of humility regarding how counter-intuitive the world is explains why politicians face no consequences for bad policies. Whether it's Obamacare or raising the minimum wage or Medicare part D or 2001 tax cuts or giving banks trillions of dollars. People feeling something is the right thing to do doesn't actually make it so.
 

RoadRage

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I don't have time to post a 7,000 word compendium of facts here. Some of you peeps need to, turn off most televisions and read non-fiction books. It has been a short 227 years since the U.S. Constitution was ratified and America became a nation state. In 1860 the U.S. had a population of 31 Million people, a year later the Civil War started and 620,000 people died because of the warfare. 620,000 people died during the Civil War, that's 2% of the U.S. population. That would be the equivalent of 6.2 Million people being killed in America today; complete barbarism!

The white male capitalist (people with the most money) whether that money came from theft, inheritance, slavery, monopoly capitalism, etc. NEVER had any intention of paying a "fair" wage to labor. America was built on slavery, genocide, indentured servitude.

The "class" of people who didn't have "to work" (manual labor) for a living, including many of the so-called founding fathers, looked upon people who did have "to work" (manual labor) , as nothing more than expendable scum. In fact most of the white male elites didn't believe that you should be able to vote if you didn't own property.

Blacks were sub-humans, with less rights "under-the-law" than farm animals. All the way up until 1959 if a white man killed a ****** for "eyeballing" his white daughter nothing would happen to him "under-the-law", but if he killed his neighbors livestock in the middle of the night, he would go to jail.

White people who were not 'capitalist' but workers fared a little better than ni66ers, but not much better. Europeans who came here to work in American steel mills during the post Civil War industrial revolution weren't even paid money by the steel barons (the capitalists). The workers were paid with coupons that the company printed and handed to them. They could use these coupons called scrip, in the company owned store to buy food and clothing and whatever else they needed to survive. There were NO minimum wage rules, NO weekends off, NO overtime pay, NO paid vacation, NO medical benefits, etc; these white male "laborers" were neo-slaves.

When the white workers made demands for more pay and better working conditions and the ability to form a union; the capitalists (steel barons) sent in armed militia and killed anyone who wanted higher wages, better working conditions and a union.
Learn American history peeps.
You have NO excuse not to know the EXTREMELY brief history of the country.

The modern American economy that most of us grew up in, that created the world envied United States of America and the American middle class was created out of the great depression of the 1930's and the end of World War 2.

Franklin D. Roosevelt's "New Deal" of the 1930's created the modern America. Minimum wage laws, the right to form unions without being killed by the capitalists, NO child labor, safety standards in the workplace, the 5 day work week, Government paid public school teachers, Social Security, workers compensation, etc. - all these things created the link between increasing productivity and increasing wages.

Unfortunately the current incarnation of the republican party, the RepubliKlans with the growing assistance of corporate-owned Democratic Party legislators, for the past 30 years have been doing their best in conjunction with today's capitalists to destroy the link between increasing productivity and increasing wages to increase "shareholder value" $$$$$$$$ for a very small group of people - and tear down and destroy the American middle class that was created since the 1930's.

As you can see from the accompanying Federal Reserve charts productivity is rising but the 'capitalist' in conjunction with their paid-for slave bitch politicians, have made sure than NONE of the productivity increase shows up in the wages that people are earning.


Now in 2013 -2014, 95% of productivity gains are going to the .5% - Yes you read right, the top one-half of 1% (one percent) are reaping all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ money. This booming .5% of the US economy is buying $100,000 and higher cars at an all time record pace, even while the other 99.5% of Americans incomes are stagnant or declining. I'll stop here.



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There is one fact that you are over looking, we are now in a new paradine when it comes to business and economy.. Thanks partly to the WTO agreement (yeah there same WTO those Seattle white boys was rioting in the late 90's). Well ever since the signing companies are now able to be productive yet have a small American based work force.. Matter of fact if you were to cross reference the information you posted, you will discover that the companies that are leading the way with productivity are also the ones who have streamlined their work force the most..
Prior to that time, productivity was an accurate barometer to gage jobs availability and wages... Now we are in the days where it represents the opposite..
If the trend continues and if automation (robotic work force) continues to grow, there may come a time where a company can have maximum productivity and near zero % work force..
Today the entry level positions are way down from the 80's and will continue to shrink as the years go by.... Does it make economic sense to increase the wages of a dying market? Just imagine horse shoe makers increasing their price of labor right when the automobile started to shoot off..
By forcing the market to overpay for services that isn't needed will only exasperate the fragile situation even further by enticing companies to either lay off more entry level workers, and or replace them with either automation and or outsourcing their jobs to a lesser paying foreigner..
You see, this is what folks in Seattle knew and fought against, essentially the WTO place the American workers in competition with every other worker around the world.. So if our price demand becomes to high, companies now have to option to take their employment elsewhere.
 

RoadRage

the voice of reason
BGOL Investor
Plus you have to understand that the gains made from these companies are not only lining the pockets of the shareholder and fat kats, they are there to offset production cost fighting off super inflation.. So in other words large companies have no choice but to streamline and reduce spending... If not their products would cost 2 times more than the competition and that would spell doom for the corporation..
The real problem is that we have such a weak dollar and have so much debt that we literally have to rob Peter in order to pay Paul..
 

Camille

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Breaking with GOP, Romney Backs Minimum Wage Hike


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-gop-romney-backs-minimum-wage-hike-n101221


Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said Friday that Republicans should drop their opposition to a minimum wage hike, joining two fellow former GOP presidential contenders in breaking with his party on the issue.

“I think we oughta raise it,” Romney said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “Because, frankly, our party is all about more jobs and better pay and I think communicating that is important to us.”

Romney , who reiterated that he’s not interested in another bid in 2016, was the third high-profile Republican in the past two weeks to say that resistance to a minimum wage increase is hurting the party’s brand. All three men are Republicans previously elected in states – Massachusetts, Minnesota and Pennsylvania – with heavy Democratic populations.

Former Minnesota governor and 2012 presidential contender Tim Pawlenty, now the CEO of the Financial Services Roundtable, said last month that the GOP should back a “reasonable” increase in the wage.

“For all the Republicans who come on and talk about, ‘we’re for the blue-collar worker, we’re for the working person,’ there are some basic things that we should be for,” he said. “One of them is reasonable increases from time to time in the minimum wage.” (He later clarified that he does not support the version of such legislation being pushed by the White House and Senate Democrats because it goes “too far and too fast.”)

And earlier this week, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum – a past and perhaps future presidential hopeful – said the GOP stance on the issue “makes no sense.”

“Let’s not make this argument that we’re for the blue-collar guy but we’re against any minimum wage increase ever,” he said on MSNBC’s The Daily Rundown.
 

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Plus you have to understand that the gains made from these companies are not only lining the pockets of the shareholder and fat kats, they are there to offset production cost fighting off super inflation.. So in other words large companies have no choice but to streamline and reduce spending... If not their products would cost 2 times more than the competition and that would spell doom for the corporation..
The real problem is that we have such a weak dollar and have so much debt that we literally have to rob Peter in order to pay Paul..


I think we need a weak dollar for a while, so that we can export more and re-generate a client base with other countries. If our dollar is re-estabished with competitive exports, the debt is no biggie.
 

QueEx

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Why a Raise in the Minimum Wage Will Happen


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Thursday, May 15 2014


Today in a move of coordinated mass-action fast food fast workers in 150 cities in the United States will go on strike to demand to a higher minimum wage. This unprecedented walk-out, combined with overwhelming public support for an increase in the minimum wage, could signal good news for our economy. That’s because they point to the political inevitability that the minimum wage will to be raised. The faster Wall Street and corporations resisting the income hike grasp this reality, the better it will be for the millions of people who work full-time but don’t earn enough to live; especially women of color.

The trend line of where the country is headed on the topic is borne out by the recent history of worker action. Starting with a single walk-out at one McDonald’s restaurant in 2012, fast-food related strikes grewto over 100 in 2013, and is expected to exceed that number by 50 percent over the next 24 hours. But the expansion isn’t only limited to the United States.

Low-wage workers across the country will be joined by those in 32 other nations on six continents. Ron Oswald, General-Secretary of the International Union of Food, Agricultural, Hotel, Restaurant Catering and Tobacco and Allied Worker’s Associations, told Al-jazeera America that the U.S. strikes had encouraged workers around the world to emulate their “fight for higher pay and better rights on the job.”

Today’s action is coordinated by Fast Food Forward, an organization with backing from several groups including the nation’s largest union. But the growing grassroots participation by workers shows the depth to which employees believe that higher wages are a matter of survival. When asked during a walk-out last year just steps away from Times Square, in the heart of one of the world’s most expensive cities, Elba Godoy told NBC News simply about her $7.25 hourly wage, “It’s not enough.”


Public Support and Economic Need

Unsurprisingly most Americans agree with the walk-out’s goals. A recent Quinnipiac University poll shows that seven out of 10 people support a lift in the minimum wage, including half of all Republicans. Results in a poll taken last year by Gallup were nearly identical.

Increasing the minimum wage is so overwhelmingly popular because the current minimum wage of $7.25 reflects a harsh financial reality. A single parent with a full-time job at a fast-food restaurant who earns the current minimum wage is officially in poverty. Women make up most of those in low-wage work, and the majority of those at the bottom of the pay scale are women of color.

That’s why legislation currently before the Senate proposes raising the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. The Economic Policy Institute says that $10.10 per hour will lift 4 million families out of poverty and raise the wages of another 24 million workers. But it would still leave millions more behind.

Therefore it’s no surprise that those on-strike today are calling for a “living wage” of $15 an hour. That’s enough to keep the vast majority of working families from being poor.

But there’s a broader economic truth here. Overall, corporations are more profitable than at any point since World War II, yet worker’s wages are near a 40-year low. In way that’s painfully ironic the declining wages of millions of Americans, such that close to half of all families are poor or near poor, is one of the key drivers of these record private sector gains.

The fact that the minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, is lower than its ever been is a reason why—for example—McDonalds has had double-digit increases in profits over recent years akin to what Wall Street expects of high-growth tech companies of the future rather than more mature companies from the past. That’s because every year company’s which that rely on minimum-wage work have relatively fewer labor costs thanks to the stagnant minimum wage.

The problem with this scenario of economic imbalance—with enormous gains at the top fueled by declining earnings at the bottom—is what it caused the Great Recession. As I have written before, analysis from the International Monetary Fund concludes that mass economic inequity fuels economic crashes.

Though these severe economic crises express themselves differently, the housing bubble in 2008 or the stock bubble in 1929, they have the same root: a growing gap between economic beneficiaries and economic losers.

To put it bluntly raising the minimum wage would be an act of national economic preservation, rather the calamity that those who are hostile to it claim.


Corporate Opposition and Change

Despite this growing political and economic rationale for raising the minimum wage, private-sector lobbying organizations are nearly unanimous in opposing it. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce calls the minimum wage debate a “distraction.”

The National Restaurant Association and the Business Roundtable are in agreement. And the National Association of Manufacturers came out against even allowing the $10.10 measure before the Senate to proceed to an up or down vote.

The challenge is that though their resistance may not be futile, it is potentially self-defeating. Stifled debate and action at the national level has resulted in 13 states moving forward with higher minimum wages earlier this year on their own, with 34 others perhaps ready to do the same.

>Moreover, local pressure for the even higher wage of $15 an hour is mounting. Earlier this month, Ed Murray, Seattle’s Mayor, announced a plan to up Seattle’s minimum hourly wage to $15. San Francisco is also considering passing the “living wage” of $15. And demonstrations across the country led by thousands of workers today will only increase the weight behind the concept. In short, the private sector fight against $10.10 an hour is only adding heft to the movement for $15 an hour.

The changing landscape is perhaps why Howard Schultz CEO of Starbucks has recently come out in favor of increasing the wage to $10.10. Schultz believes that a raise in the wage would not have any impact on jobs nor his company’s bottom line. Subway’s CEO, Fred DeLuca, echoed the same point last week, as did Costco’s CEO over a year ago. Hank Greenberg, former head of Wall Street firm American International* Group, told Bloomberg News plainly about the minimum wage, “from a practical point of view I hope they get it done.”

Whatever the eventual raise is—$10.10, $15 or somewhere in between—a change is coming. The combination of worker action, public support and economic necessity is pushing it further along as time goes on. The fact that it’s all coming to head during an election year adds momentum to the likelihood of change.

The bottom line is that worker action over the past two years has helped pushed the country that much closer to a new economic contract for those on economic margins and the private sector is perhaps on the verge of finally accepting it.




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thoughtone

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Won't here from the conservatives, republicans, free marketeers, libertarians, capitalists or the GREEDy ones on this.

Debate over!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-job-loss-most-states-094500529.html

No job loss in most states that raised minimum wage


No job loss in most states that raised minimum wage

When the Congressional Budget Office, earlier this year, released a report finding that the Obama administration’s proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour would cost jobs, the White House was furious.

The CBO, said members of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, were relying too much on older research on the subject, and not enough on the most recent findings.


In an angry blog post, CEA Chair Jason Furman and economist Betsey Stevenson wrote, “Seven Nobel Prize winners and more than 600 other economists recently stated that: 'In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market.'”

The CBO defended its numbers, and to many, the CEA response looked like a knee-jerk reaction – members of the president’s administration defending a preferred policy move in the face of evidence that it might not have the real-world effects the president had promised.

However, it turns out, the administration might have had a point
Beginning in January of this year, 13 states individually increased their own minimum wages, creating a sort of natural experiment in which the remaining states could serve as a control group. All that was left was for someone to do the math, and the Center for Economic and Policy Research, building on research conducted earlier in the year by Goldman Sachs, delivered that in a report last week.

Of the 13 states that raised their minimum wages, all but one saw job growth in the first five months of 2014. To be sure, that’s a small achievement in an environment where the national economy is adding something on the order of 250,000 jobs per month.

The really interesting finding is that the states that raised the minimum wage saw job growth that was, on average, higher than states that did not. The 37 states that did not raise the minimum wage at the beginning of this year saw employment increase by .68 percent. Those that did raise the wage saw employment increase by .99 percent.

Four of the top ten states in terms of employment performance were states that raised the wage, including Washington, Oregon, Colorado, and Florida
The biggest outlier was New Jersey, which was not only the worst performing of the states that raised the wage, but the worst performing state altogether, with a net decline in employment of .56 percent.

The takeaway number from the CEPR report, however, is that evidence appears to be accumulating to suggest that the CBO’s take on the impact of the wage was overly pessimistic.

“While this kind of simple exercise can't establish causality, it does provide evidence against theoretical negative employment effects of minimum-wage increases,” wrote CEPR’s Ben Wolcott.
 
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Greed

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Won't here from the conservatives, republicans, free marketeers, libertarians, capitalists or the GREEDy ones on this.

Debate over!
The poster didn't assert that the debate was over and the article quoted a person from the originating organization calling it a "simple exercise." What do you know that everyone else is missing?
 

thoughtone

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The poster didn't assert that the debate was over and the article quoted a person from the originating organization calling it a "simple exercise." What do you know that everyone else is missing?


The argument has been over for sometime. You and the others I mentioned have not presented any empirical evidence to the contrary.

Kinda like your mythical free market.
 

Greed

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The argument has been over for sometime. You and the others I mentioned have not presented any empirical evidence to the contrary.

Kinda like your mythical free market.
I completely trust that, FOR YOU, the debate has been over for some time.

As for the empirical evidence, the CBO did it. The CBO release a study of studies, which is a common academic tool to review already-existing relevant literature. Don't worry thoughtone I know you don't care.

Now you can explain why you made a claim the poster nor the study's authors tried to make.
 

thoughtone

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I completely trust that, FOR YOU, the debate has been over for some time.

As for the empirical evidence, the CBO did it. The CBO release a study of studies, which is a common academic tool to review already-existing relevant literature. Don't worry thoughtone I know you don't care.

Now you can explain why you made a claim the poster nor the study's authors tried to make.

The CBO release a study of studies...

Like I said, empirical!

Of course this is in line with the climate change "alternative" opinions.
 

thoughtone

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I completely trust that, FOR YOU, the debate has been over for some time.

As for the empirical evidence, the CBO did it. The CBO release a study of studies, which is a common academic tool to review already-existing relevant literature. Don't worry thoughtone I know you don't care.

Now you can explain why you made a claim the poster nor the study's authors tried to make.
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Greed

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Well, you provided even more proof that the point of this study is to motivate the faithful.

I still don't see anyone but you declaring the debate is over though.
 

thoughtone

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Well, you provided even more proof that the point of this study is to motivate the faithful.

I still don't see anyone but you declaring the debate is over though.

The fact that you can't add anything concrete to refute your point of view means it's over especially since you've been give over a year and half to address this.
 

Greed

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The fact that you can't add anything concrete to refute your point of view means it's over especially since you've been give over a year and half to address this.
Completely reasonable thing to say. I haven't addressed minimum wage in a year and half.

Can you tell me how what you posted is concrete when CEPR itself calls their study a "simple exercise" that can't establish causality?

You would have thought you've learned your lesson from the "74 school shooting since Newtown" post.
 

thoughtone

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Completely reasonable thing to say. I haven't addressed minimum wage in a year and half.

Can you tell me how what you posted is concrete when CEPR itself calls their study a "simple exercise" that can't establish causality?

You would have thought you've learned your lesson from the "74 school shooting since Newtown" post.

Completely reasonable thing to say. I haven't addressed minimum wage in a year and half.

Reading is fundamental.

A minimum wage just creates desperate people.

He's practically begging you to stop making work illegal.

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Camille

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You can't make this shit up. dkos diary:

Doocy Claims Workers Fighting for a Living Wage are "Insulting to Civil Rights"


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...are-Insulting-to-Civil-Rights?detail=facebook


Yes, in another one of their completely random and not at all planned in advance conversations Fox Host Steve Doocy found amazing total agreement with Fox Business Host [And Nominal "Black Guy"] Charles Payne on how the minimum wage workers who have begun to consider using civil disobedience to battle for a wage increase are somehow, in someway, denigrating and insulting the memory of the Civil Rights Movement because - well - they're admitting to being "deficient".

Yes, "What?" was one of the first words in my head too. Also - "the"- and - "Fukk!" - came soon after.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/...th-deficiencies-or-they-would-get-higher-pay/ (Vid at rawstory link)

Over the weekend, fast food workers in Illinois voted to use civil disobedience to fight for $15-an-hour pay, and for the right to unionize.

“To compare it to the Civil Rights Movement seems insulting,” Fox News host Steve Doocy opined on Monday.

“It really is insulting,” Fox Business host Charles Payne agreed. “It’s beyond the pale. Here’s one of those things that insults almost everybody. Obviously, it would insult anyone who was involved in the Civil Rights Movement, and also the workers.

Yes, obviously. How could we not see the obviousness-ish of it all? It's right there, on your face. No, not the pimple. No, not the birthmark - right there - between your eyes. See it?

Nope, me, neither...

“Because essentially, I guess, what you are saying to these workers is, you were born this way, in a position where you can never better yourself, you can never get an education, you can never work on the side, you can never have the knowledge, you can never go out there and pool your money together and start a business,” Payne continued. “You are stuck in this because somehow you were born with deficiencies that you’ll only have a certain skill set, the minimum skill set.”

Oh, I get it. No, wait, no I don't.

Basically he's saying that it's perfectly fine that these jobs just plain suck, because someday - somehow - you'll get a better job. One that just might suck a little bit less. You'll get an education [using what for money or credit?] You'll get some knowledge, because clearly you know nothing now. You'll pool the money you don't have, with the credit you can't get and you'll start a business - using the knowledge for business you gained from the school you couldn't afford, and, what....where was I again?

Sorry, I got lost in a sea of fantasy and delusion that has nothing to do with the lives that many people are actually living in the real world.

Here's a thing, people working in minimum wage jobs are demanding higher wages because as it stands now - many of them are on Public Assistance.

Two studies released today make some different calculations to determine the total cost to American taxpayers of a large, low-wage workforce. It comes to an average of $7 billion a year. That’s the amount of annual public assistance families of fast-food workers received between 2007 and 2011, according to a new report written by economist Sylvia Allegretto and others, sponsored by the University of California at Berkeley’s Labor Center and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and funded by Fast Food Forward, the group that helped organize the summer’s labor strikes. The authors used publicly available data.

The report calls out the fast-food industry for its low wages, citing a median salary of $8.69 an hour and a history of offering part-time work. That might have been fine when those behind the counter were mostly teenagers living at home. These days, though, 68 percent of fast-food workers are single or married adults who aren’t in school—and 26 percent are raising children.

Overall, 52 percent of families of fast-food workers are enrolled in one or more public assistance programs, compared with 25 percent of the workforce as a whole. Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program accounted for nearly $4 billion of the $7 billion figure. The Earned Income Tax Credit, food stamps, and the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program accounted for the rest. ”Public benefits receipt is the rule, rather than the exception, for this workforce,” the authors write.

The fact of the matter is that it's not "insulting" to think that many people are finding these jobs are now caught in the proverbial "poverty trap" - but not because of "welfare", it's because they're getting wage gouged at work. It's simply a fact that the majority of them are not teenagers, but adults, many who have families whose other job options within the middle educated class have dried up and been shipped overseas.

The reality here is that these $multi-billion multi-national corporations are taking advantage of state provided public assistance to keep their wages and benefits packages low in order to further line their own pockets and grow share holder benefits. The real beneficiary of all this welfare spending isn't the workers - it's these businesses bottom line.

However Y'see in the Foxiverse, we shouldn't be thinking about the minimum wage, we should all be thinking about the maximum wage.

We’re quibbling over things that’s really about creating divisiveness,” he insisted. “And by the way, it still would be the minimum wage, and I think people out there want to think about maximum."

“If this becomes a civil rights issue, and I can always go and demand more, — what we’re really talking about… there are people in this country who are trying to create a utopian welfare society,” he opined. “It’s very expensive, and they’ve got to attack corporate balance sheets to make it work.”

A Utopian Welfare Society.

And you get that "Welfare Society" - by paying people enough that they Don't Need Welfare Anymore? Who could possibly want that, people earning enough money to make it without help from the state, but dirty Free Market Hating Communists?

So much Derp, so little time.

On top of the fact that the those working minimum wage jobs are not anything like the Foxers would claim they are - there's also the fact that many families, since the beginning of the Great Bush Recession haven't been climbing upward the income ladder, they've been falling backwards down it.

Median household wealth has fallen by 43 percent from its pre-recession peak in 2007, according to a new study from the Russell Sage Foundation. It has fallen so far that the median household is worth less now than it was in 2003. But the wealthiest 10 percent of families haven’t faced that pain, and are worth far more on average than they were in 2003.

The net worth of the median household — the line where half the country is richer and half the country is poorer, giving an approximation of how the middle class lives — rose from nearly $88,000 in 2003 to just below $99,000 in 2007, before collapsing when the financial crisis and Great Recession gutted the economy. In 2013, the figure stood at $56,335.

How exactly has the Median household net worth fallen over $40,000? It's because college educated adults can't get the jobs that they were promised their education would bring them - instead they working for minimum wage.

In conclusion I have just one more item, on that "Insulting to Civil Rights" point. As Foxers would have it, Civil Rights leaders should be incensed at the idea that some people need a special handout to get ahead. They should be insulted and outraged at the idea that they can't make it on their own without the "gift" of a pay raise that is appropriate for the work they do and the basic standard of living. They should... but they never, ever, have.

Case in point, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr on the Minimum Wage.

“We know of no more crucial civil rights issue facing Congress today than the need to increase the federal minimum wage and extend its coverage,” King said in a 1966 statement supporting minimum wage legislation. “A living wage should be the right of all working Americans, and this is what we wish to urge upon our Congressmen and Senators as they now prepare to deal with this legislation.”

in 1966 the Federal Minimum wage was $1.25 per hour. Eventually King's wish was accomplished and it was raised in 1968 to $1.60 per hour. However... (Graph at link)

The minimum wage of $1.60 an hour in 1968 would be $10.86 today when adjusted for inflation.

$1.60 in 1968 dollars happens to be $3.61 per hour more than the current Federal Minimum Wage when adjusted for inflation. That's just a sample of how far behind we've all fallen today compared to Dr. King first began speaking out on this issue.
 

Camille

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New protests coming up....

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They need to come to DC and revolt against the fascist corporatist government, turn it into another Ukraine. Have it looking like this picture by the time they are done. Quit beating around the bush with these weak marches. Put some fear and respect into these politicians.
 

QueEx

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Dozens Arrested During Minimum
Wage Protest At Detroit McDonald’s



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DETROIT (WWJ/AP) - Dozens of people were taken into police custody after a
minimum wage protest outside an east side McDonald’s got out of hand Thursday
morning.

Those arrested were among the crowd of about 200 protesters marching around
the restaurant on Mack Avenue. The demonstration was part of an effort by
workers at fast-food chains around the country to boost the minimum
wage to $15 an hour.

Several of the protesters went from civil picketing to sitting in the street, preventing
traffic from passing through.

“At one point they were walking on both sides of Mack Avenue but they are now
concentrating themselves in the eastbound lanes, they have those completely
blocked off here, walking and holding up their signs,” WWJ’s Bill Szumanski
said from above the scene in Chopper 950.

Police waited for about 30 minutes, warning the protesters they could either move
on their own or face arrest.


FULL STORY HERE


 

QueEx

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Super Moderator


Dozens Arrested During Minimum
Wage Protest At Detroit McDonald’s


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Houston fast-food workers joined a nationwide strike and protest early Thursday morning
in the latest push for a $15 hourly wage.

About 40 people gathered before dawn in a nearby parking lot and marched to a Jack in the
Box restaurant in southwest Houston.

They were participating in the national “Fight for 15” movement supported across the U.S.
by the Services Employees International Union. The national campaign includes plans for
civil disobedience and possible arrest, according to the group’s website.

In Houston, the workers said they cannot survive on wages of about $8 an hour that many
of them earn.

Beatrice Saldana said she's worked in the industry for 28 years to raise her four children,
who are now grown.

She said her low wages have made it difficult throughout her life. She hopes to help other
people in the fast-food industry have something better.


Full Story Here



 

QueEx

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Dozens Arrested During Minimum
Wage Protest At Detroit McDonald’s




Houston workers join national minimum wage protest



Fast food workers to protest minimum
wage with strikes in Chicago


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CHICAGO (WLS) --
Several people were arrested as hundreds of protesters gathered outside a McDonald's in Chicago's Chatham neighborhood to demand $15 an hour wages for all fast food workers.

Workers from McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's and other fast-food chains across the nation planned to walk off the job Thursday and picket outside their restaurants. Labor organizers planned rallies in 150 cities nationwide to escalate efforts to raise the minimum wage.

"I'm ready to do whatever it takes," said one McDonald's worker, when asked if she was willing to be arrested during the demonstration in Chatham.

Protestors blocked East 87th Street between South State Street and South Wabash Avenue Thursday morning. Some has to be forcibly removed by police.


REST OF THE STORY

 

QueEx

Rising Star
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Arkansas: At least 11 arrested in McDonald's wage protest​




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Protestors block Broadway Street in downtown Little Rock on Thursday, Sept. 4, 2014,
to ask for higher wages. Some chanted: "Make our wages super-sized."


Little Rock police on Thursday morning arrested at least 11 protesters demonstrating for higher pay for fast-food workers.

Officers got a call from protesters about 8 a.m. and responded to ensure order. By 8 a.m., demonstrators were blocking the thoroughfare at 7th and Broadway, eventually moving to Third and Broadway, where some were arrested.

“To my understanding they are protesting the minimum-wage law,” Little Rock Police Department spokesman Lt. Sidney Allen said in an emailed statement. About 50 to 60 were demonstrating peacefully, Allen said.

Hundreds of workers from McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's and other fast-food chains were expected to walk off their jobs Thursday, according to labor organizers of the latest national protest to push the companies to pay their employees at least $15 an hour, The Associated Press reported.

Many fast-food workers do not make much more than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, which adds up to about $15,000 a year for 40 hours a week.

Twanna Scales, 36, of North Little Rock says she makes only $800 a month, with no benefits, and is supporting three sons.

"It's really a struggle out here," she said, noting that workers have to become managers to be offered benefits.


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thoughtone

Rising Star
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I guarantee you, these fast food employers will find and excuse to fire the protesters that got arrested.

Just like the killer cop defenders that are trying to assassinate Micheal Brown's reputation as an excuse to justify his killing by the Ferguson, Missouri police officer, the fast food employers will say that their arrests are grounds for termination.

Poor and minorities are penalized for exercising their first amendments rights, while whites are celebrated for doing so.
 

QueEx

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