You Must Learn: HIP-HOP STARTED IN JAMAICA... Not The South Bronx!!!

Ming Fei Hong

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Hearing Hip-Hop's Jamaican Accent

by Wayne Marshall
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Godfather of Hip-Hop
Jamaican-born, Kool Herc (Clive Campbell)



Although hip-hop’s dominant narrative typically begins with the introduction of Jamaican sound-system techniques and technologies into the South Bronx, the Caribbean presence in hip-hop tends to recede into absence after this originary moment.1 Despite an increasing infusion of reggae into hip-hop over the last three decades, a hybridization reflecting New York’s increasingly foreign-born black population, hip-hop histories routinely downplay such “outside” influence. Narrative strategies that seek to validate African American aesthetics against the denigration of mass media representations have thus obscured a more nuanced account of hip-hop’s social character, with far-reaching implications for our understanding of such notions as race, ethnicity, and nation.

The failure to acknowledge Jamaica’s place in the hip-hop imagination overlooks the context-specific identification practices through which many performers have expressed the predicament of being both West Indian and black in New York. Such an oversight, in effect, maintains a discursive complicity with traditional, essentialized notions of race.2

This omission also fails to take note of important shifts in the politics and the very boundaries of blackness. If we listen more closely to the intersections between hip-hop and reggae—for instance, at moments when New York-based performers adopt or conceal a Jamaican accent—the contingent, dynamic character of race comes into stark relief. By paying attention to the shifting significations over time of Jamaicanness in New York, we can consider the ways in which historical context, social demographics, and cultural politics inflect conceptions of race and ethnicity.

When Jamaican-born Kool Herc (aka Clive Campbell) loses his accent in the early 1970s, KRS-One employs one in the mid-1980s, and Mos Def goes “bilingual” in the late 1990s, music’s powerful ability to mediate concepts such as race and ethnicity comes to the fore, reflecting as well as challenging dominant and often stereotypical representations. This article surveys the Jamaican-accented history of hip-hop, focusing on moments where the performance of Jamaicanness belies more stable conceptions of race and ethnicity.

Far from the aura of quasi-exotic cool that it carries today, Jamaicanness in the Bronx in the 1970s carried such a stigma that some young immigrants found it better to conceal their West Indian heritage. Kool Herc recounts the dangers of such an outsider identity: “At that time [the early 1970s], being Jamaican wasn’t fashionable. Bob Marley didn’t come through yet to make it more fashionable, to even give a chance for people to listen to our music. . . . I remember one time a guy said, ‘Clive, man, don’t walk down that way cause they throwing Jamaicans in garbage cans.’”3 Even before moving to the United States as a teenager, Herc practiced an American accent by singing along to his father’s record collection, which included records by Nina Simone, Nat King Cole, and country singer Jim Reeves.

He continued to mold his voice upon moving to the Bronx in 1967, tuning to white rock and soul disc jockeys such as Cousin Brucie and Wolfman Jack, and absorbing the cadences of Smokey Robinson, the Temptations, and James Brown at house parties. Adjusting his accent so as to be intelligible to classmates, by the time he reached high school some of Herc’s Jamaican friends didn’t even know he was Jamaican.4 This chameleonic process extended to his performance practice, as he translated Jamaican soundsystem techniques for his funk-oriented Bronx peers. No fool when it came to playing to an audience, Herc selected “break” records—the hard funk of James Brown, Dennis Coffey, the Isley Brothers, Michael Viner’s Incredible Bongo Band—rather than reggae tunes, to move the crowd. At that time in New York, Jamaican music was, as Orlando Patterson put it, still “jungle music” to the ears of most African Americans, many of whom, as first- or second-generation rural migrants from the South, still sought to distance themselves from a “country” past.

5 Although the number of West Indian residents grew steadily in New York during the 1970s, due in part to British anti-immigration acts passed in the 1960s and the U.S. 1965 Immigration Act, which abolished national origins as the basis for immigration legislation, a critical mass had not yet crystallized so that borough culture could reflect such “foreign” infusions or so that normative blackness could include Anglo-Caribbean or even Latin Caribbean versions. Perhaps it was clear to recent immigrants like Herc that the best option for an individual seeking to navigate this new world smoothly was to, in a sense, become “black” (which is to say, African American) in walk, talk, and outward style. Of course, Clive Campbell had always been black. But to be Jamaican and black in New York in the 1970s signified something else, something different and somehow incompatible with American blackness.

Identity in this case was hard-won—at least among a prevailingly African American peer group. Although Campbell certainly reconciled such opposing identifications for himself when projecting a public persona, in particular through musical performance, he found that the Bronx’s social pressures called for a particular type of assimilation. Herc’s adopted and adapted accent illustrates the contours of racialized subjectivities at this time in New York.

It is remarkable that Jamaicanness and blackness were at odds at this point only because they seem so easily reconciled today, but that shift would take place over the next three decades in a circular pattern of demographic change and mass media representation. Hip-hop, despite the way that its narrative restricts its Caribbean roots, would constitute one of the major media outlets for these changing perceptions of the difference and distance between African Americans and various black others.

As Boogie Down Productions’ Criminal Minded (1987) demonstrates, blackness in the Bronx could be tied to Jamaicanness unproblematically by the late 1980s. KRS-One foregrounds his West Indian heritage on what would become, significantly, a seminal hip-hop album. BDP’s brash, dub-accented production, “ragamuffin” language, dancehall-cribbed tunes, and glorified violence made an enormous impression on the hip-hop scene and helped set the template for what would later be called gangsta rap. It is especially telling that in one of hip-hop’s most gloried turf wars—the contest between the South Bronx and Queensbridge over rap’s place of origin, or “of how it all got started way back when”—KRS-One could so effectively represent “authentic” hip-hop with a style so heavily-indebted to reggae and thus so marked by otherness.

Of course, what this demonstrates is that Jamaicanness no longer carried the same stigmatized sense ofotherness. It had become re-accented, as when BDP takes a classic reggae bassline and re-imagines it as a stiff, breakbeat-saddled piano riff, or when KRS-One sings a Billy Joel melody in a manner that recalls Yellowman’s fondness for ironic quotation. That BDP’s expression could at once be so Bronx and hip-hop, and yet so Jamaican and reggae bears witness to the degree to which Jamaican music and culture had become part of the texture of New York life by the mid-1980s.

Indeed, one might even say that, especially in Brooklyn and the Bronx, the Jamaican presence had become ubiquitous and, at times, dominant. This cultural shift is undoubtedly tied to the high rates of migration from Jamaica to New York during this period. According to sociologist Mary Waters, “In the 1980s alone, Jamaica sent 213,805 people to the United States—a full 9% of its total population of 2.5 million people.”6 45% of these immigrants stayed in New York. And “y 1996, it was estimated that 35.1% of the city’s black households was headed by a foreign-born person—the vast majority from the Caribbean.”

7 This demographic shift was accompanied by a powerful cultural visibility projected, on the one hand, through reggae soundsystem culture which filled streets, parks, and clubs with the sounds of Jamaica, and, on the other, by the rise of the infamous cocaine-running posses, which quickly came to dominate the drug-trade in New York. Legendary for their ruthlessness and firepower, the posses quickly took over corners across Brooklyn and the Bronx, and their powerful presence undoubtedly realigned many people’s sense of what Jamaicanness—and reggae—could signify. Far from the islanders that were ridiculed as too “country” a generation before, Jamaican New Yorkers in the 1980s epitomized a powerful kind of cool in the dog-eat-dog world of urban America.

It is thus not surprising that KRS-One embraces the signifiers of Jamaicanness on Criminal Minded, despite that his personal connection to the Caribbean is through a biological father from Trinidad who was out of the picture from an early age, having been deported. Growing up in the Bronx or Brooklyn at this time could forge personal connections to the Caribbean that go beyond family heritage. Underscoring the power of this symbolic association, KRS alternately refers to Boogie Down Productions as the “BDP posse,” an appropriation of the powerful gang signifier, which itself was, in a fine stroke of irony, a term borrowed from Hollywood Westerns, which have long been popular in Jamaica.

Fittingly, mainstream media projections of Jamaicanness at this time—from the dreadlocked alien hunting Arnold Schwarzenegger in Predator (1987) to the vicious, demonic Rastas in Steven Segal’s Marked for Death (1990)—served to reflect as they informed the stereotyped public perception of Jamaicans: a “cool and deadly” figuration which would later be reproduced in hip-hop films such as Hype Williams’s Belly (1998) and in dozens of hip-hop songs where “rude bwoy” becomes an accented shorthand for gangsta.

Two years before Criminal Minded, Run DMC hinted at the degree to which Jamaican sounds had already permeated New York by collaborating with dancehall star Yellowman on the track “Roots, Rock, Reggae” (1985), which takes its name from a Bob Marley song. Indeed, DMC (aka Daryl McDaniels) acknowledges that Yellowman’s music was already ubiquitous and influential in the hip-hop scene by that point: “We grew up worshipping Yellowman, loving him, loving all of his records; what he said, how he sounded, how he looked, he was just cool.

The Roxy, Harlem World, Union Square, Latin Quarter—they were all playing hip-hop and they were all playing Yellowman.”8 But, revealingly, in comparison to KRS-One’s seamless incorporation of dancehall style, Run DMC sound awkward rolling their r’s and clumsily riding a chintzy, quasi-Caribbean beat. On the other hand, by the early 1990s, Brooklyn-based groups such as the Fu-Schnickens, Das EFX, Black Moon, and Smif’n’Wessun were performing in a style that spoke from a kind of creolized subject position, containing as much patois and ragga-style flow as more traditional hip-hop stylistic markers, although almost always over hip-hop beats. Meanwhile, artists such as the Notorious B.I.G., Jeru the Damaja, Gang Starr, and A Tribe Called Quest more subtly incorporated West Indian references and slang, and reggae lyrics and melodies into their borough-accented rap.

Such hybrid expressions demonstrate the degree to which Jamaicanness and blackness begin to overlap in New York by this point, no longer appearing as oppositional identifiers. The increasingly audible integration between what were previously ethnic enclaves refigures blackness in a more transnational sense, perhaps bringing hip-hop’s expression more in line with a pan-African articulation of “modern blackness,” as Deborah Thomas calls it, which Jamaicans in Jamaica had long been proposing through their own embrace and “selective appropriation” of African American styles.9 Ironically, once Jamaicanness, as embodied in reggae musical style, becomes such a common feature of New York-based hip-hop, it almost recedes in audibility. One begins to hear a Jamaican accent as a New York accent, or a black accent or a more general hip-hop accent.

A decade after Criminal Minded, Mos Def would channel the sounds of Jamaica via the Bronx to make a Brooklyn-based statement about hip-hop that many listeners would hear as pure hip-hop classicism—a testament to the deep degree to which, by the late 1900s, the hip-hop lexicon had absorbed a reggae accent. On Black Star’s “Definition” (1998), Mos Def brings a dancehall-indebted style to his flow, employing steady, staccato rhythms, a sing-song delivery, consistent end rhymes, and stuttered singing. He borrows the same melody that KRS-One borrowed from Yellowman, and throws in some Jamaican slang for good measure—e.g., “Lord have mercy,” “Follow me nuh.”

Ironically, “Definition” takes hip-hop soul-searching as its subject as it centrally employs a sample of BDP’s “Remix For P Is Free” which happens to contain the same sample that BDP selectively appropriated from Jamaica’s heavily versioned “Mad Mad” riddim.10 Riddim, like beat in hip-hop parlance, is Jamaican shorthand for a singer’s or DJ’s musical accompaniment in a particular song, which may include a distinctive bassline, drum beat, and/or other recognizable musical figures. Such layered allusion, however, stops for many listeners at Criminal Minded precisely because BDP’s accented album has attained a canonical status, a fact which almost by default commits KRS-One’s voluminous borrowings from dancehall songs directly to hip-hop’s vocabulary since the majority of listeners at this point lack acquaintance with the Jamaican originals.

On Mos Def’s solo album, Black on Both Sides (1999), nearly every track reveals another way that Jamaican language, music, or culture texture life in Brooklyn. On a song called “Hip-hop” the rapper makes his linguistic strategies explicit, “Used to speak the King’s English,” he admits, “but caught a rash on my lips, so now I chat just like dis.” Tellingly, the alternative to the King’s English is not simply figured here as African American vernacular speech but as patois-inflected slang, evoked by the use of the Jamaican-associated term “chat” and the pronunciation of this as dis—which, of course, is a pronunciation shared by African American and Caribbean dialects, an overlap that would not be lost on a native Brooklynite. Mos Def’s polyglot style renders Brooklyn in what he calls a “native tongue,” which includes, in addition to some mellifluous Spanish, the idioms of thirty years of hip-hop and thirty years of reggae.

With no shortage of subtlety, Mos Def portrays a place where hip-hop and reggae, and African Americans and West Indians, reside in intimacy. While his music’s form gives shape to the transnational black society in which he resides, its content calls for “all black people to be free.”11 Mos Def maps out an intensely local place in his music, but a local place that is always already familiar with the foreign, where things Jamaican are more mundane than exotic, and where race matters more than national origin. Mos Def’s fluid figuration of a hybrid Brooklyn, which is nonetheless “black on both sides,” articulates a sense of nation and belonging that surpasses earlier and narrower conceptions of community. He makes hip-hop’s Jamaican accent clear, at least long enough to call for a rewind, where repeat listenings reveal new worlds of meaning, creating community by revising race.

Hearing hip-hop’s Jamaican accent and noting its shifts and slurs over time demonstrate that music mediates social relations as it draws and re-draws the lines of community. We can see, and hear, how different conceptions of blackness articulate with, and disarticulate from, each other in different contexts at different times, as well as how hip-hop’s racial politics have been informed by “foreign” notions of blackness as much as by mainstream American racial ideologies. The audible transformation of New York’s soundscape reflects new social circumstances as it gives voice to new patterns of identification, negotiation, and assimilation. The musical record can thus enhance our understanding of the historical record, supplementing a dominant narrative that proceeds all too neatly and tends to obscure conflicts as well as connections.

—Wayne Marshall
University of Wisconsin, Madison


Notes

1 Jeff Chang’s Can’t Stop Won’t Stop: A History of the Hip-hop Generation (St. Martin’s Press, 2005) proves the exception to this pattern and signals a growing awareness of the centrality of Caribbean music and migrants to the history of hip-hop.

2 See Rachel L. Swarns, “‘African-American’ Becomes a Term for Debate,”New York Times, 29 August 2004, for a discussion about the ambivalence and hostility about foreign-born blacks (or their U.S.-born children) claiming the title “African American.”

3 Quoted in Chang, Can’t Stop Won’t Stop, 72.

4 Ibid., 68, 72.

5 Orlando Patterson, personal communication, Fall 2003.

6 Mary C. Waters, Black Identities: West Indian Immigrant Dreams and American Realities (Russell Sage Foundation, 1999), 36.

7 Ibid., 37.

8 Liner notes, Yellowman, Look How Me Sexy: Reggae Anthology (VP Records, 2002).

9 Deborah Thomas, Modern Blackness: Nationalism, Globalization, and the Politics of Culture in Jamaica (Duke University Press, 2004), 14.

10 For more about the “Mad Mad” riddim, see my paper “Mad Mad Migrations,” presented at the conference Caribbean Soundscapes, New Orleans (November 2004), available at http://www.wayneandwax.com/academic/mad-mad-paper.html

11 “Umi Says,” Black on Both Sides (Rawkus, 1999).


SORRY, FELLAS... READ IT AND WEEP! :dance:

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Chapter 4: Making A Name
How DJ Kool Herc Lost His Accent And Started Hip-Hop

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Clive had been DJing house parties for three years. Growing up in Kingston, Jamaica, he had seen the sound systems firsthand. The local sound was called Somerset Lane, and the selector's name was King George. Clive says, "I was too young to go in. All we could do is sneak out and see the preparation of the dance throughout the day. The guys would come with a big old handcart with the boxes in it. And then in the night time, I'm a little itchy headed, loving the vibrations on the zinc top 'cause them sound systems are powerful.

"We just stay outside like everybody else, you know, pointing at the gangsters as they come up, all the famous people. And at the time they had the little motorcycles, Triumphs and Hondas. Rudeboys used to have those souped up. They used to come up four and five six deep, with them likkle ratchet knife," Clive says. He still remembers the crowd's buzz when Claudie Massop arrived at a local dance one night. He wanted to be at the center of that kind of excitement, to be a King George.

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Re: You Must Learn: Hip Hop Started In Jamaica... Not The South Bronx!!!

ny niggas are going to pounce on your eggroll ass:lol::lol::lol:
 
Nigga come on...goddamn...you even posted a bibliography...that should tell you the shit's too long... :lol:
 
this is exactly why the bronx created hiphop
to escape boring ass classes like this and actually have fun! LOL
 
:angry:GIVE PROPS WHERE IT'S DUE, BRONX,QUEENS,BROOKLYN,MANTHATTAN,STATEN ISLAND, FUCK IT EVEN LONG ISLAND. :angry:
FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT
 
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this is exactly why the bronx created hiphop
to escape boring ass classes like this and actually have fun! LOL

Yeah, the truth is SO boring to those who those try to conceal it. Just like White people get bored quick when I explain to them that Black people created Rock 'n Roll. :yes:
 
When Jamaican-born Kool Herc
He was in the bronx when he started what we consider hiphop,unless they have a bronx in Jamaica this whole issue is BULLSHIT.
 
A lot of Jamaicans/JA Americans did have an early hand in what we today know as hip-hop but for all intents and purposes, the shit started in the Bronx.Yea it has influences from Dub music, Reggae, the DJ (Selector) all that shit..James Brown..Muhammed Ali got dammnit LOL...but the shit started in the Bronx.Out in the Park.:yes:
 
He was in the bronx when he started what we consider hiphop,unless they have a bronx in Jamaica this whole issue is BULLSHIT.

First off, he never stopped visiting back home (so where he lived was inconsequential). Secondly, he brought the basic elements of Hip-Hops origin with him FROM Jamaica. And why would they need a Bronx in Jamaica when they already have Jamaicans in the Bronx?! LMAO!!!!!!
 
good shit ming...BTW Colin Powell is also a JAMAICAN....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
:eek:........:lol:
A lot of Jamaicans/JA Americans did have an early hand in what we today know as hip-hop but for all intents and purposes, the shit started in the Bronx.Yea it has influences from Dub music, Reggae, the DJ (Selector) all that shit..James Brown..Muhammed Ali got dammnit LOL...but the shit started in the Bronx.Out in the Park.:yes:
Yeah, you know what's up... LOL :yes:
 
First off, he never stopped visiting back home (so where he lived was inconsequential). Secondly, he brought the basic elements of Hip-Hops origin with him FROM Jamaica. And why would they need a Bronx in Jamaica when they already have Jamaicans in the Bronx?! LMAO!!!!!!

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE,HE NEVER STOPPED VISITING HOME?WHO GIVES A FUCK AND HE PROBABLY WAS SNORTING COKE WITH RUSSLE AND KURTIS BLOW....WHY BRING THIS SHIT UP NOW?ITS 08

:smh:I get the whole sound systems thing but nigga way to late to try and say it started in jamaica...THE BROXN IS THE PLACE AND THATS THAT.
 
Busta Rhymes
Notorious B.I.G.
DJ Cool Herc
KRS-ONE
Pete Rock
Heavy D.

ALL JAMAICAN.....

the list goes on.

Niggas don't read. That's why its so easy to lie to them.

here's a list of other mofos i GUARANTEE you didn't know were Jamaican or of Jamaican Descent

List of prominent Jamaican-Americans

[edit] Acting

* Tyson Beckford[4]
* Michael Bentt
* Corbin Bleu (1989 - ) film/television actor (High School Musical)[5]
* Dulé Hill
* Sheryl Lee Ralph[6]
* Camille McDonald
* Delroy Lindo[7]
* Grace Jones[8]
* Carl Lumbly[9]
* Madge Sinclair[10]
* Shari Belafonte[11]
* Keshia Knight Pulliam

[edit] Aviation

* Barrington Irving

[edit] Modelling

* Karin Taylor

[edit] Music

* Mýa Harrison
* Special Ed
* Thom Bell
* Sandra Denton
* Harry Belafonte[12]
* Bushwick Bill
* Grace Jones[13]
* Alicia Keys[14]
* Sean Kingston
* will.i.am[15]
* Busta Rhymes[16]
* Winston Grennan
* Grace Jones[17]
* Beat Prophets[18]
* Canibus[19]
* Chubb Rock[20]
* Prodigy (rapper)
* Ernie Smith[21]
* Heavy D[22]
* Kool DJ Herc[23]
* Notorious BIG[24]
* Slick Rick
* Renee Neufville[25]
* KRS-One
* Shawn Mims
* Ill Will
* Brick & Lace

[edit] Sports

* Usain Bolt world record holder for 100 meter
* Asafa Powell world class sprinter 100 meter
* Ramon Bailey (1984 - ) soccer midfielder and forward, who played for the MetroStars of Major League Soccer[26]
* Jeff Cunningham -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Chili Davis - Major League Baseball star[27]
* Robin Fraser -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Patrick Ewing - NBA basketball player[28]
* Patrick Ewing, Jr. - Collegiate basketball player
* Ben Gordon - NBA basketball player
* Rolando Roomes - Major League Baseball player
* Devon White - Major League Baseball star

[edit] Public service

* Colin Powell - 65th United States Secretary of State[29]
* David Paterson - 55th Governor of New York

[edit] Religion

* Louis Farrakhan - leader of the Nation of Islam[30]


WE'RE EVERYWHERE MUTHA FUCKAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
 
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE,HE NEVER STOPPED VISITING HOME?WHO GIVES A FUCK AND HE PROBABLY WAS SNORTING COKE WITH RUSSLE AND KURTIS BLOW....WHY BRING THIS SHIT UP NOW?ITS 08

:smh:I get the whole sound systems thing but nigga way to late to try and say it started in jamaica...THE BROXN IS THE PLACE AND THATS THAT.

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Busta Rhymes
Notorious B.I.G.
DJ Cool Herc
KRS-ONE
Pete Rock
Heavy D.

ALL JAMAICAN.....

the list goes on.

Niggas don't read. That's why its so easy to lie to them.

here's a list of other mofos i GUARANTEE you didn't know were Jamaican or of Jamaican Descent

List of prominent Jamaican-Americans

[edit] Acting

* Tyson Beckford[4]
* Michael Bentt
* Corbin Bleu (1989 - ) film/television actor (High School Musical)[5]
* Dulé Hill
* Sheryl Lee Ralph[6]
* Camille McDonald
* Delroy Lindo[7]
* Grace Jones[8]
* Carl Lumbly[9]
* Madge Sinclair[10]
* Shari Belafonte[11]
* Keshia Knight Pulliam

[edit] Aviation

* Barrington Irving

[edit] Modelling

* Karin Taylor

[edit] Music

* Mýa Harrison
* Special Ed
* Thom Bell
* Sandra Denton
* Harry Belafonte[12]
* Bushwick Bill
* Grace Jones[13]
* Alicia Keys[14]
* Sean Kingston
* will.i.am[15]
* Busta Rhymes[16]
* Winston Grennan
* Grace Jones[17]
* Beat Prophets[18]
* Canibus[19]
* Chubb Rock[20]
* Prodigy (rapper)
* Ernie Smith[21]
* Heavy D[22]
* Kool DJ Herc[23]
* Notorious BIG[24]
* Slick Rick
* Renee Neufville[25]
* KRS-One
* Shawn Mims
* Ill Will
* Brick & Lace

[edit] Sports

* Usain Bolt world record holder for 100 meter
* Asafa Powell world class sprinter 100 meter
* Ramon Bailey (1984 - ) soccer midfielder and forward, who played for the MetroStars of Major League Soccer[26]
* Jeff Cunningham -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Chili Davis - Major League Baseball star[27]
* Robin Fraser -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Patrick Ewing - NBA basketball player[28]
* Patrick Ewing, Jr. - Collegiate basketball player
* Ben Gordon - NBA basketball player
* Rolando Roomes - Major League Baseball player
* Devon White - Major League Baseball star

[edit] Public service

* Colin Powell - 65th United States Secretary of State[29]
* David Paterson - 55th Governor of New York

[edit] Religion

* Louis Farrakhan - leader of the Nation of Islam[30]


WE'RE EVERYWHERE MUTHA FUCKAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!!!!




Had no idea he was
 
Busta Rhymes
Notorious B.I.G.
DJ Cool Herc
KRS-ONE
Pete Rock
Heavy D.

ALL JAMAICAN.....

the list goes on.

Niggas don't read. That's why its so easy to lie to them.

here's a list of other mofos i GUARANTEE you didn't know were Jamaican or of Jamaican Descent

List of prominent Jamaican-Americans

[edit] Acting

* Tyson Beckford[4]
* Michael Bentt
* Corbin Bleu (1989 - ) film/television actor (High School Musical)[5]
* Dulé Hill
* Sheryl Lee Ralph[6]
* Camille McDonald
* Delroy Lindo[7]
* Grace Jones[8]
* Carl Lumbly[9]
* Madge Sinclair[10]
* Shari Belafonte[11]
* Keshia Knight Pulliam

[edit] Aviation

* Barrington Irving

[edit] Modelling

* Karin Taylor

[edit] Music

* Mýa Harrison
* Special Ed
* Thom Bell
* Sandra Denton
* Harry Belafonte[12]
* Bushwick Bill
* Grace Jones[13]
* Alicia Keys[14]
* Sean Kingston
* will.i.am[15]
* Busta Rhymes[16]
* Winston Grennan
* Grace Jones[17]
* Beat Prophets[18]
* Canibus[19]
* Chubb Rock[20]
* Prodigy (rapper)
* Ernie Smith[21]
* Heavy D[22]
* Kool DJ Herc[23]
* Notorious BIG[24]
* Slick Rick
* Renee Neufville[25]
* KRS-One
* Shawn Mims
* Ill Will
* Brick & Lace

[edit] Sports

* Usain Bolt world record holder for 100 meter
* Asafa Powell world class sprinter 100 meter
* Ramon Bailey (1984 - ) soccer midfielder and forward, who played for the MetroStars of Major League Soccer[26]
* Jeff Cunningham -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Chili Davis - Major League Baseball star[27]
* Robin Fraser -Major League Soccer and United States national soccer team player
* Patrick Ewing - NBA basketball player[28]
* Patrick Ewing, Jr. - Collegiate basketball player
* Ben Gordon - NBA basketball player
* Rolando Roomes - Major League Baseball player
* Devon White - Major League Baseball star

[edit] Public service

* Colin Powell - 65th United States Secretary of State[29]
* David Paterson - 55th Governor of New York

[edit] Religion

* Louis Farrakhan - leader of the Nation of Islam[30]


WE'RE EVERYWHERE MUTHA FUCKAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

Bunch of nobody's. Go back to Jamaica and don't come back. Yea, they Jamaica but got their styles from black Americans. West Indians use our style too, we don't really use theirs.

THE BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IS THE MOST COPIED MAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET...BAR NONE

-Paul Mooney



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He was in the bronx when he started what we consider hiphop,unless they have a bronx in Jamaica this whole issue is BULLSHIT.

And you know this Maannnnnn...



The Jamacians love to steal everybody's music...

Its embarrassing to listen to the Jamaician station...My mouth is wide open the whole time.

The rendentions are limitless...
 
Busta Rhymes
Notorious B.I.G.
DJ Cool Herc
KRS-ONE
Pete Rock
Heavy D.

ALL JAMAICAN.....

the list goes on.
:smh:niggas always wanna claim something,does it matter?really? they from jamaica,so what?

:smh:This is why rap music is fucked up because when something is set in stone,you always have a group of niggas trying to come from left field trying to rewrite what has already been written.

:smh:this sounds like one of those barber shop debates,where the one dude with dreads is claiming everything and niggas is like...who gives a fuck:lol:
 
There's nothing here that's disputable.

BUT....

Even for the remedial 20-something year old wet-behind-the-ears young'un who wasn't around to know anybetter, it's clear that even this article doesn't try to make the point that hip-hop started elsewhere but the West Bronx.

Understand that the elements that make up hip-hop, graffitti, breaking, rapping, DJing - all came together as a result of Herc and Bam in the early 70s. Herc brought with him the elements of the sound system and the DJ. Everything else formed around that.

Take it from someone who is old enough to know this firsthand and not have to learn it or be told about it 35 years later from an article.
 


Bunch of nobody's. Go back to Jamaica and don't come back. Yea, they Jamaica but got their styles from black Americans. West Indians use our style too.

THE BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IS THE MOST COPIED MAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET...BAR NONE

-Paul Mooney



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:lol::lol::lol: at least Jamaicans have a country where is yours cause it certainly ain't Amerikkka :lol::lol::lol:
 


Bunch of nobody's. Go back to Jamaica and don't come back. Yea, they Jamaica but got their styles from black Americans. West Indians use our style too.

THE BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IS THE MOST COPIED MAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET...BAR NONE

-Paul Mooney



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Sounds like a case of insecurity. Hip-hop wouldn't EXIST without Jamaica. Deal with it. The evidence is there and all you can come up with is "go home". You don't get it. Your home IS our home. We run tings on both sides of the border. LOL J/k

The point is not to forget you had help getting to where you are. Just like the white Americans like to forget Canada, Britain, Vichy France and Russia helped beat the Nazis and how they forget France helped them gain their independence. Don't forget Jamaica is inextricably tied to American culture.
 


Bunch of nobody's. Go back to Jamaica and don't come back. Yea, they Jamaica but got their styles from black Americans. West Indians use our style too, we don't really use theirs.

THE BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IS THE MOST COPIED MAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET...BAR NONE

-Paul Mooney



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THATS WHAT THE WHITE MAN TOLD YOU? :lol::lol::lol: U HAVE NO HOME FAGGOT GO CRY YOURSELF A RIVER
 
Bunch of nobody's. Go back to Jamaica and don't come back. Yea, they Jamaica but got their styles from black Americans. West Indians use our style too, we don't really use theirs.

THE BLACK MAN IN AMERICA IS THE MOST COPIED MAN ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET...BAR NONE

-Paul Mooney

Busta Rhymes, Notorious B.I.G., DJ Cool Herc, KRS-ONE, Pete Rock & Heavy D. are a bunch of nobody's? :hmm:

What are you doing in a Hip-Hop thread? :dunno:
 
THATS WHAT THE WHITE MAN TOLD YOU? :lol::lol::lol: U HAVE NO HOME FAGGOT GO CRY YOURSELF A RIVER

I do got a home. It's America that my ancestors built. You ashy ass Jamaicans can come over and prosper because of my people. I'd rather be living here than some on some island smoking ganja all day, growing dreadlocks, and saying bloodclot or bombaclot, whatever the fuck you say, all day.
 
The Dancehall Sound Clashes birthed the music movement in hip hop culture. Especially the competitive parts. DJ Battles, MC Battles, "Freestyles" and all that came from Jamaican Roots.

A Sound Clash is when 2 Sound Systems (consisting of DJ [The man on the mic] & Selecta) battle for crowd reaction:
The selectas play tunes against each other, and dub plates (which can be viewed as "freestyles" from artists) while the DJ hypes the crowd up and disses the competition

DJs (which to Americans can compare to MC's [Masters Of Ceremony]) have been know to battle each other minus the systems, one one against each other.

Perfect Battle Example Of a DJ (MC) Battle
The 2 DJs would talk shit to each other, hype the crowds, battle with their all their material and freestyle new material usually with a live band who knew all the riddims (tracks)

The older Jamaican cats can probably give you the history of artists and where it began, but its really good to know this part of your hip-hop history. You will understand the battle aspect why it's important, and why it's a crock of shit today.

The history is why KRS is considered the master of all MC'ing. He incorporated the history and roots into everything he did. Its why he easily dispatched of his competition when he battled, and why he always made smash records.
 
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