Y'all Might Fashion Me an Asshole For This...Interracial Dating...

[OnSlaught]

Like I said, more than a few of you might fashion me an asshole for what I'm about to say, but I think by now you know that I can give a rat's ass about your opinion as far as my character.

Anyway, I think more black men AND women should date outside of Americans. I'm not saying that the man or woman has to be a different so called "RACE", but just from a different country or continent. Oh, and when I refer to American, I mean a person who has assimilated to American customs...so this can include people from other races and ethnicities that no longer ascribe to their native cultural upbringing.

The reason I pose this is because of the treatment. From this point on I'll speak out of my own experience, so women, I'm sorry but I can't help you on how international men treat women. From what I hear, they can be a bit worst or better depending on the location and customs. However, for us men, it gets no better than an international woman. The only problem you have is the family, and I think that barrier can be hurdled pretty easily as long as you are honest and upfront about your intentions with their daughter.

Even on the home front of just casual sex, international women can be some of the freakiest ass you can get...

So my question is, do women as well as men see this as being an option for them??? I know similar threads have been opened but more so as it being a problem. I see it as being a solution...brown or black babies will be had and possibly a more solidified relationship.

Feel free to drop your opinions.....

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Like I said, more than a few of you might fashion me an asshole for what I'm about to say, but I think by now you know that I can give a rat's ass about your opinion as far as my character.

Anyway, I think more black men AND women should date outside of Americans. I'm not saying that the man or woman has to be a different so called "RACE", but just from a different country or continent. Oh, and when I refer to American, I mean a person who has assimilated to American customs...so this can include people from other races and ethnicities that no longer ascribe to their native cultural upbringing.

The reason I pose this is because of the treatment. From this point on I'll speak out of my own experience, so women, I'm sorry but I can't help you on how international men treat women. From what I hear, they can be a bit worst or better depending on the location and customs. However, for us men, it gets no better than an international woman. The only problem you have is the family, and I think that barrier can be hurdled pretty easily as long as you are honest and upfront about your intentions with their daughter.

Even on the home front of just casual sex, international women can be some of the freakiest ass you can get...

So my question is, do women as well as men see this as being an option for them??? I know similar threads have been opened but more so as it being a problem. I see it as being a solution...brown or black babies will be had and possibly a more solidified relationship.

Feel free to drop your opinions.....

You are such a troll.

An asshole you are. By nature, perhaps.

 

[followup]

I could never be with a non-black man. *SOME* black men are the best thing God put on this earth

 

[OnSlaught]

I could never be with a non-black man. *SOME* black men are the best thing God put on this earth

Did you read what I wrote???

'm not saying that the man or woman has to be a different so called "RACE", but just from a different country or continent.

 

[followup]

Did you read what I wrote???

Yup. I only date black men. They are the best.

 

[MCP]

Onslaught,

Sounds like you tarring everyone with the same brush.

How can you define someone's behaviour by race. To say to date a black woman from another country based on the actions that some black women in the US have personally treated you is quite a foolish statement to say the least.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Onslaught,

Sounds like you tarring everyone with the same brush.

How can you define someone's behaviour by race. To say to date a black woman from another country based on the actions that some black women in the US have personally treated you is quite a foolish statement to say the least.

But isn't it a given that a foreign woman will act differently than an American one? Same way that a foreign man will act differently. Americans have been raised in a capitalistic warped society. ALL Americans, men and women alike.

 

[MCP]

But isn't it a given that a foreign woman will act differently than an American one? Same way that a foreign man will act differently. Americans have been raised in a capitalistic warped society. ALL Americans, men and women alike.

As someone who lives in the UK, will I act differently from someone in the US....possibly,maybe..who knows. Do I speak like the queen and drink tea all day because I'm from the UK???...definately not. There are men and woman all around the world who have different characteristics just like anyone else in the US. Where you're from doesn't make the slightest difference on how you behave to others.

The OP from what I've read is making a statement that because of the way some black women in the US has treated him. What makes him think that another black woman from outside the US won't treat him the same.

As for capitalistic societies, there are other countries which are just as materialistic as the US.

 

[OnSlaught]

Yup. I only date black men. They are the best.

Sometimes, I think it's just a lost cause with you...

Onslaught,

Sounds like you tarring everyone with the same brush.

How can you define someone's behaviour by race. To say to date a black woman from another country based on the actions that some black women in the US have personally treated you is quite a foolish statement to say the least.

But isn't it a given that a foreign woman will act differently than an American one? Same way that a foreign man will act differently. Americans have been raised in a capitalistic warped society. ALL Americans, men and women alike.

Thank you LD...

MCO, I didn't specify gender at all...I said nationality. As far as painting everyone with the same brush it goes much deeper than personal experience. I know from my own experience what I know, but it is totally different when I hear a lot of friends, fellow associates and colleagues of mine tell THEIR stories of how their wives, significant others or just one night flings have treated them with whom they've been with that are from different areas of the world.

I will not bash brothas or sistas from my home country, HOWEVER, from all the problems I hear about their dating woes, why not experiment and explore? The closed-minded mentalities of people is what keeps them in chains. The definition of insanity is to do something over and over again and expecting a different result...if you are getting the same results in dating then try something new!

 

[followup]

Sometimes, I think it's just a lost cause with you...

Coming from someone like you, that's a compliment. You would never be able to "find" my cause because you are too dense. Your title and the content do not match, so I decided to be as clueless as you are. You have based everything on a silly premise that you've had miraculously great relationships/sex with women from other countries. You have difficulties dealing with women who have more in common with you culturally, so you go looking for something "exotic" in other places. Of course if you go to another country, the women are going to treat you like a god because you are an American mark If you haven't figured this out by now, you will continue to be a fool trolling the globe being played by these women. LOL @ you thinking you're dropping some sort of gems

 

[followup]

As someone who lives in the UK, will I act differently from someone in the US....possibly,maybe..who knows. Do I speak like the queen and drink tea all day because I'm from the UK???...definately not. There are men and woman all around the world who have different characteristics just like anyone else in the US. Where you're from doesn't make the slightest difference on how you behave to others.

The OP from what I've read is making a statement that because of the way some black women in the US has treated him. What makes him think that another black woman from outside the US won't treat him the same.

As for capitalistic societies, there are other countries which are just as materialistic as the US.

Wow!!! A man with a brain

 

[OnSlaught]

Coming from someone like you, that's a compliment. You would never be able to "find" my cause because you are too dense. Your title and the content do not match, so I decided to be as clueless as you are. You have based everything on a silly premise that you've had miraculously great relationships/sex with women from other countries. You have difficulties dealing with women who have more in common with you culturally, so you go looking for something "exotic" in other places. Of course if you go to another country, the women are going to treat you like a god because you are an American mark If you haven't figured this out by now, you will continue to be a fool trolling the globe being played by these women. LOL @ you thinking you're dropping some sort of gems

You are truly infantile in your calculations...I presented the title the way it is because most people see dating a man or woman that is not "Black" as interracial. If you examine the lineage of any African American you can clearly see that your ignorant ass, as well as most of the rest of us, are an amalgamation of different ethnicities and "races", but have been given the monicker of being "BLACK" or "AFRICAN AMERICAN" as default. I am neither an african nor in most aspects am considered an American by the standards of the majority of this country, "WHITE AMERICA".

To further back up what I am telling you ask anyone outside of your front door and most of them will tell you that Puerto Ricans and Dominicans (or anyone of African decent) are of a different "RACE" which is complete and utter bullshit. They are mostly mixed with the same shit that we are as African Americans: African, European Caucasian and Aboriginal blood.

My experiences have been just fine with African American women, but that doesn't mean that I haven't had Better experiences with women from outside of this country. It's the mentality of women from outside that attracts me...I could give two shits about whether she looks "Exotic" or not...that shit is a bonus.

You inferred that you like "BLACK" men...well, please tell me the difference between an African American brotha, one from Morocco, one from Madagascar, one from Cuba and one from Papa New Guinea is besides his upbringing in his country...THEY ARE ALL BLACK IN APPEARANCE DUMB ASS. If anyone needs to clarify what the fuck they are saying it is you.

One more thing, who said anything about going to another country to hunt for women...I'm talking about right here. You assume, presume and make an ass out of yourself way to much on this message board, and need to SHUT THE FUCK UP SOMETIMES...

 

[OnSlaught]

As someone who lives in the UK, will I act differently from someone in the US....possibly,maybe..who knows. Do I speak like the queen and drink tea all day because I'm from the UK???...definately not. There are men and woman all around the world who have different characteristics just like anyone else in the US. Where you're from doesn't make the slightest difference on how you behave to others.

The OP from what I've read is making a statement that because of the way some black women in the US has treated him. What makes him think that another black woman from outside the US won't treat him the same.

As for capitalistic societies, there are other countries which are just as materialistic as the US.

Please, as I just stated to someone else in this thread, don't ASSUME SHIT! I simply stated what I have experienced AS WELL AS others' experiences. Obviously it can work between men and women from the U.S., but I see way too much division and animosity between brothas and sistas right now. Not that this is the ultimate solution but that it can be posed as an option. I hear the arguement one too many times that good black men aren't available and that good black women are far and few between...first I think it's a bunch of B.S. but if that's the case then why not explore other options.

And when I do propose to those people that say those things that maybe they should consider dating someone outside of their "comfort zone" as far as being African American they look at me like I'm crazy. If you can't find what you're looking for in one area, do you subjugate yourself to the hole that you're in or do you dig yourself out of it and look else where?

I just propose another path is all....

 

[LeroyDibiase]

Onslaught, I said this almost a year ago:

You can never have a conversation about relationships between Black men and women because if the topic turns towards pointing out the female flaws, they get real heated. Every discussion I've ever seen about relationships among Black people turns this way once you criticize Black females. And then you have the men that try to soft-talk and "Black women are the queen of the Earth" talk to try and get some pussy.

You can't lump all Black women in one category. Intelligent college-graduate Black women are different and have different issues than Black women on a lower socio-economic status. Black men have problems too, but most of ours develop from trying to get pussy. Like a comedian said, brothers would sleep in a cardboard box and drive a Pinto, if that's what women wanted.

There is a growing attitude in the Black female community, but it's less to do with them being Black. It's a combination of the age of neo-feminism and the current Black family structure. New feminism has told women that it is ok to not have a man, as a matter of fact, they are encouraged. They have been told that they can be equal breadwinners(and they can), but many have done so at the expense of the family and in trying to compete with their man. Women have been told that raising kids is archaic and sexist when it is in direct opposition to all scientific documentation, females ARE the child-rearers.

Combine this with the Black family structure in which the Black male of the house isn't there anyway(due to whatever) and you have the current crop of "I can do bad all by myself" Black females who subconsciously succumb to their basic desire for male companionship, but at times allow that way of thinking that's been hardwired into their brains to prevail.

And Mr. Jody said:

In our (black) society, it is perfectly acceptable for our women to bash us as men. It's almost like a sport. They phrase statements in such a way as to suggest that what they are speaking is common knowledge, and unrefutable fact. Then justify their behavior by referencing those globally accepted "truisms".....

But if you say so much as a syllable about them that is not 100% in accordance with their view of themselves then you are a race traitor, a misogynist, can't get pussy etc...

Further,

These types of conversations are like a game.

Women typically speak negatively about us in general terms, Black men as a whole. Or use words like "most", "greatest percentage", "the typical".

But they as women want the benefit of individuality: "I'M not like that, so you can't say...." (even if they ARE like that).
If you attempt the same tactic, she will tell you "well, you are the minority",
or, "you are about the only one"...

There are problems on both sides of the table.
But it seems like one side is unwilling to accept it's EQUAL role in the degredation of our families, or accept ANY responsibilty for the state of gender relations in our race.

Oh well. What can you do? Such is life.
I love you anyway, beautiful black woman.....
Always have and always will....

 

[OnSlaught]

Onslaught, I said this almost a year ago:

Originally Posted by LeroyDibiase
You can never have a conversation about relationships between Black men and women because if the topic turns towards pointing out the female flaws, they get real heated. Every discussion I've ever seen about relationships among Black people turns this way once you criticize Black females. And then you have the men that try to soft-talk and "Black women are the queen of the Earth" talk to try and get some pussy.

You can't lump all Black women in one category. Intelligent college-graduate Black women are different and have different issues than Black women on a lower socio-economic status. Black men have problems too, but most of ours develop from trying to get pussy. Like a comedian said, brothers would sleep in a cardboard box and drive a Pinto, if that's what women wanted.

There is a growing attitude in the Black female community, but it's less to do with them being Black. It's a combination of the age of neo-feminism and the current Black family structure. New feminism has told women that it is ok to not have a man, as a matter of fact, they are encouraged. They have been told that they can be equal breadwinners(and they can), but many have done so at the expense of the family and in trying to compete with their man. Women have been told that raising kids is archaic and sexist when it is in direct opposition to all scientific documentation, females ARE the child-rearers.

Combine this with the Black family structure in which the Black male of the house isn't there anyway(due to whatever) and you have the current crop of "I can do bad all by myself" Black females who subconsciously succumb to their basic desire for male companionship, but at times allow that way of thinking that's been hardwired into their brains to prevail.

And Mr. Jody said:

Originally Posted by mrjody
In our (black) society, it is perfectly acceptable for our women to bash us as men. It's almost like a sport. They phrase statements in such a way as to suggest that what they are speaking is common knowledge, and unrefutable fact. Then justify their behavior by referencing those globally accepted "truisms".....

But if you say so much as a syllable about them that is not 100% in accordance with their view of themselves then you are a race traitor, a misogynist, can't get pussy etc...

Further,

These types of conversations are like a game.

Women typically speak negatively about us in general terms, Black men as a whole. Or use words like "most", "greatest percentage", "the typical".

But they as women want the benefit of individuality: "I'M not like that, so you can't say...." (even if they ARE like that).
If you attempt the same tactic, she will tell you "well, you are the minority",
or, "you are about the only one"...

There are problems on both sides of the table.
But it seems like one side is unwilling to accept it's EQUAL role in the degredation of our families, or accept ANY responsibilty for the state of gender relations in our race.

Oh well. What can you do? Such is life.
I love you anyway, beautiful black woman.....
Always have and always will....

That is a great point that you make LD...I've had this same discussion with the same points that you and MJ brought up on numerous occasions. It seems that the reality of the situation is that some people are "sensitive" when the hint of something remotely close to "them" is brought up.

I was just looking for what people thought about the suggestion and why it would or wouldn't be a viable answer to the question of "why can't I find a good ___ man or ___ woman?" I didn't ask for my views to be scrutinized or my character even, though as stated before, I could care less about what someone thinks of my ways.

I am not a male sympathizer nor am I a woman basher, just someone who tends to think outside the box. If you have issues with what I have to say, then maybe you need to check yourself in the mirror, because what I propose are just paradigms...

 

[LeroyDibiase]

That is a great point that you make LD...I've had this same discussion with the same points that you and MJ brought up on numerous occasions. It seems that the reality of the situation is that some people are "sensitive" when the hint of something remotely close to "them" is brought up.

I was just looking for what people thought about the suggestion and why it would or wouldn't be a viable answer to the question of "why can't I find a good ___ man or ___ woman?" I didn't ask for my views to be scrutinized or my character even, though as stated before, I could care less about what someone thinks of my ways.

I am not a male sympathizer nor am I a woman basher, just someone who tends to think outside the box. If you have issues with what I have to say, then maybe you need to check yourself in the mirror, because what I propose are just paradigms...

The mere suggestion of seeking women (of the same "race" or not) from outside the US brings up a feeling of disdain in a lot of women. For them, it becomes "well what is wrong with ME?" The suggestion becomes a personal attack against their very being and they instantly lose all rational thought in terms of a future discussion.

Your question was simple: Is going outside of America an option for you and what do you think of it?

 

[OnSlaught]

The mere suggestion of seeking women (of the same "race" or not) from outside the US brings up a feeling of disdain in a lot of women. For them, it becomes "well what is wrong with ME?" The suggestion becomes a personal attack against their very being and they instantly lose all rational thought in terms of a future discussion.

Your question was simple: Is going outside of America an option for you and what do you think of it?

I'm glad you feel me on this. Too many times black women feel like it's a stab at them when issues like dating someone that's not African American or someone from a different culture or outside of America are brought up.

I tend to feel like this, I'm a scientist first...we are all the same genetically as human beings. I dabble in anthropology, history and world affairs, meaning that the issues and struggles that we go through as African Americans can be heart felt and hit home to a Pakistani, Sudanese, or Filipino or Palestinian person because the oppression is similar in some cases.

Funny thing is, most people relate to commonalities such as religion, family upbringing and career goals, as well as life experiences, far more than they do on so called race.

My ex's brother and I are best friends and the girl and I have been broken up since 2003. They are Pakistani, and he shares the same birthday, are a year apart, have had some of the same crazy relationship experiences and share the same passion for life. He knows I'm African American and I know he's Pakistani, but there was never a huge backlash from me dating his sister...family accepted me fine and him and I became friends afterward.

Just goes to show you that people should be open to more in life...

 

[Crown&Coke]

I think people should go be with who makes them happy whether that person is black, white, hispanic, european, african, or whatever. Some black people, men and women, get threatened and insecure when they see somebody with a person of another race or country. It really shouldnt matter, if that british person or brazilian person make you happy then go for it. I might get attacked for this but BLACK WOMEN ARE NOT THE ONLY GOOD WOMEN IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!​

 

[yureeka9]

I thought this sandwich would have had a little more meat on it. You're going down the right road pimpin' but you haven't made it home yet.

 

[Adam Knows]

lol this is so true.....

Originally Posted by mrjody
In our (black) society, it is perfectly acceptable for our women to bash us as men. It's almost like a sport. They phrase statements in such a way as to suggest that what they are speaking is common knowledge, and unrefutable fact. Then justify their behavior by referencing those globally accepted "truisms".....

But if you say so much as a syllable about them that is not 100% in accordance with their view of themselves then you are a race traitor, a misogynist, can't get pussy etc...

Further,

These types of conversations are like a game.

Women typically speak negatively about us in general terms, Black men as a whole. Or use words like "most", "greatest percentage", "the typical".

But they as women want the benefit of individuality: "I'M not like that, so you can't say...." (even if they ARE like that).
If you attempt the same tactic, she will tell you "well, you are the minority",
or, "you are about the only one"...

There are problems on both sides of the table.
But it seems like one side is unwilling to accept it's EQUAL role in the degredation of our families, or accept ANY responsibilty for the state of gender relations in our race.

Oh well. What can you do? Such is life.
I love you anyway, beautiful black woman.....
Always have and always will....

 

[doggish_098]

I could never be with a non-black man. *SOME* black men are the best thing God put on this earth

How do you know if you are or are not missing out on a good thing if you don't try it. That being said it all boils down to what makes you happy.

Here is what i dont understand about people who date outside their race. YOu see a white dude with a black chick you best believe she is top notch and all the hate is going through your head how did this fucker pull her. Then on the other hand you see a black dude with a white girl she is usually subpar what attracts a black dude to a far nasty white girl I will never understand.

 

[bigirl]

OnSlaught I completely agree. Many americans need to broaden their horizons from what I see. Myself I have dated all different types/races of men from all different types of cultures but my favorite are still my Caribbean men.

 

[PrincessC]

I'm equal opportunity.

 

[onyxfemme]

Once again I have to say...I dont care who dates who. I dont see anything wrong w/ interraicial dating as long as the two people care for each other.
Myself? Give me a strong, loving, educated, dominating, secure black man ANYDAY!!!

 

[shywriter]

My theory is that assholes come in every shade, size and color. If you're dating outside of your race based off the "Grass Is Greener" theory, then you're just cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

[Robeson]

Okay, after the brief respite in the thread on single black women I can see we are back to normal- insults, defamation, and personal attacks. It's good to be home.

OS, I think I do see your point. One thing that people who have not traveled miss is that there is an entirely different approach to life than we have in America. In Italy, for example, they think we are out of our fucking minds because our lives are completely wrapped up in having shit. Now, don't get me wrong, the Italians like "things" too, but they see life as a too short journey that is to be savored at every step. They have built a civilization based on savoring life (man, their art is to die for...), not killing yourself to get a bigger house or a bigger car.

Take India. You may think that folks who are so poor would be chronically unhappy. But I bet if you could measure "happiness" Indians across the board, rich and poor alike, are happier than we are. Yup, everybody wants to have money, but they realize that if you base your happiness on money, and you don't have any (which most of them don't) you will be unhappy for most of your life. That doesn't work. So they get by. And they have a 5,000 year old culture that everybody buys into (yeah, they know the caste thing is a problem, but they are truly working on that). There is probably no better place on earth to be middle class than Bangalore. Damn what a great life!

As for relationships, I find it refreshing to be intimately involved with someone from another part of the world. I don't think they are necessarily "better" than black women here, but they are different. I'm not into American white women that much, but Italian women (I mean in Italy, not here) are just the shit. As I travel more (I intend to) I think I will find other cultures just as intoxicating.

Followup, I find it interesting that you sing the praises of black men in your post here, but I can't remember you ever saying anything nice about any of us. All I ever see you post is how fucked up we are and how we think with our dicks (ignoring the fact that we are being driven by 20,000 years of DNA). As a matter of fact, I kind of fucking resent your comment "a man with a brain," like that is somehow surprising. Hey, fuck you! I'll match my brain with yours any fucking day of the fucking week.

 

[Adam Knows]

How do you know if you are or are not missing out on a good thing if you don't try it. That being said it all boils down to what makes you happy.

Here is what i dont understand about people who date outside their race. YOu see a white dude with a black chick you best believe she is top notch and all the hate is going through your head how did this fucker pull her. Then on the other hand you see a black dude with a white girl she is usually subpar what attracts a black dude to a far nasty white girl I will never understand.

most of the times i see white dudes with black women it's a wtf moment as in the beastly kind....

but yeah i never understood that fat white woman with the black man.....

 

[Blunt]

Then on the other hand you see a black dude with a white girl she is usually subpar what attracts a black dude to a far nasty white girl I will never understand.

So you judge the quality of relationships based on who is "subpar" in the looks department (according to your expert opinion)? Kinda superficial, isn't it?

 

[Adam Knows]

So you judge the quality of relationships based on who is "subpar" in the looks department (according to your expert opinion)? Kinda superficial, isn't it?

you really can't help the fact that it is noticeable though.....

 

[doggish_098]

So you judge the quality of relationships based on who is "subpar" in the looks department (according to your expert opinion)? Kinda superficial, isn't it?

no i am saying what initially attracts someone to a fat white girl? If you are into larger women so be it there are also black larger women. You dont see a girl walking down the street and say hey i am going to holla at her personality. If that was the case people would get stuck with crazy ass people in their lives.

 

[Adam Knows]

no i am saying what initially attracts someone to a fat white girl? If you are into larger women so be it there are also black larger women. You dont see a girl walking down the street and say hey i am going to holla at her personality. If that was the case people would get stuck with crazy ass people in their lives.

it's no secret big white women will bend over backwards and twist themselves into a pretzel to please a black man, or any man for that matter. some kats fall for that royalty treatment...


i guess it's tempting for a kat to be able to live off of a woman who will give you whatever you want, wake up to head everymorning, etc., lol....

i couldn't do it....

 

[AristotlesOwn]

Like I said, more than a few of you might fashion me an asshole for what I'm about to say, but I think by now you know that I can give a rat's ass about your opinion as far as my character.

Anyway, I think more black men AND women should date outside of Americans. I'm not saying that the man or woman has to be a different so called "RACE", but just from a different country or continent. Oh, and when I refer to American, I mean a person who has assimilated to American customs...so this can include people from other races and ethnicities that no longer ascribe to their native cultural upbringing.

The reason I pose this is because of the treatment. From this point on I'll speak out of my own experience, so women, I'm sorry but I can't help you on how international men treat women. From what I hear, they can be a bit worst or better depending on the location and customs. However, for us men, it gets no better than an international woman. The only problem you have is the family, and I think that barrier can be hurdled pretty easily as long as you are honest and upfront about your intentions with their daughter.

Even on the home front of just casual sex, international women can be some of the freakiest ass you can get...

So my question is, do women as well as men see this as being an option for them??? I know similar threads have been opened but more so as it being a problem. I see it as being a solution...brown or black babies will be had and possibly a more solidified relationship.

Feel free to drop your opinions.....

Your views are skewed because you're trapped in the Pittsburgh vortex. International women have different kinds of hangups...but hey I'm equal opportunity as well, though I'm very reluctant to date outside of my race/nationality...the international girl in question would have to be on another level entirely.

That is all I will say on the subject.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

And Ons ain't talking about going to foreign countries and shit to date these women, they are availible here in the U.S. 1st and 2nd generation women, especially from Africa, Caribbean, and South America, are on another level when it comes to the traditional values and roles of women. And NO, that doesn't mean stay at home and get pregnant. Most of these women are on their grind too. If you look at the top universities in America, I would say that half of the women in post-Bachelor's schooling are 1st or 2nd generation.

 

[sean69]

No CAC's!

 

[OnSlaught]

To Everyone else that I didn't quote, thank you for your insight and input into this thread. It is greatly appreciated, and on some of your views I share the same sentiment. Now on to the quotes I highlighted....

Okay, after the brief respite in the thread on single black women I can see we are back to normal- insults, defamation, and personal attacks. It's good to be home.

OS, I think I do see your point. One thing that people who have not traveled miss is that there is an entirely different approach to life than we have in America. In Italy, for example, they think we are out of our fucking minds because our lives are completely wrapped up in having shit. Now, don't get me wrong, the Italians like "things" too, but they see life as a too short journey that is to be savored at every step. They have built a civilization based on savoring life (man, their art is to die for...), not killing yourself to get a bigger house or a bigger car.

Take India. You may think that folks who are so poor would be chronically unhappy. But I bet if you could measure "happiness" Indians across the board, rich and poor alike, are happier than we are. Yup, everybody wants to have money, but they realize that if you base your happiness on money, and you don't have any (which most of them don't) you will be unhappy for most of your life. That doesn't work. So they get by. And they have a 5,000 year old culture that everybody buys into (yeah, they know the caste thing is a problem, but they are truly working on that). There is probably no better place on earth to be middle class than Bangalore. Damn what a great life!

As for relationships, I find it refreshing to be intimately involved with someone from another part of the world. I don't think they are necessarily "better" than black women here, but they are different. I'm not into American white women that much, but Italian women (I mean in Italy, not here) are just the shit. As I travel more (I intend to) I think I will find other cultures just as intoxicating.

Followup, I find it interesting that you sing the praises of black men in your post here, but I can't remember you ever saying anything nice about any of us. All I ever see you post is how fucked up we are and how we think with our dicks (ignoring the fact that we are being driven by 20,000 years of DNA). As a matter of fact, I kind of fucking resent your comment "a man with a brain," like that is somehow surprising. Hey, fuck you! I'll match my brain with yours any fucking day of the fucking week.

As always R, you've provided your refined and valued insight on yet another topic that needed it. In regards to the 1st comment highlighted segment, I couldn't have stated it any better. That is exactly what I was referring to. The approach to a relationship from a woman that is respectively on YOUR level from a different ethnic background CAN BE very different from those women that are found native to the U.S. Women that have grown up in a different culture than that of main stream America tend to not be so "caught up" in this mundaneness we call life here.

The 2nd segment that was highlighted is just the example that I could have sworn you pulled from out of my head. Brothas and sistas alike swear up and down that Indians don't care for Blacks here in the U.S. It about perception more than anything. I have dated 3 Indian women, one who was Trini (maybe she shouldn't be considered Indian), another who is Indian Hindu and the last who was Pakistani Muslim. If you relate to a person and are attracted to them and vice versa, skin color doesn't matter in some cases.

3rd segment....THANK YOU and I rest my case!!! We see eye to eye on that shit!

Your views are skewed because you're trapped in the Pittsburgh vortex. International women have different kinds of hangups...but hey I'm equal opportunity as well, though I'm very reluctant to date outside of my race/nationality...the international girl in question would have to be on another level entirely.

That is all I will say on the subject.

I have to say that as far as black women here in Pittsburgh, I wholeheartedly agree!! However, AO, I can somewhat say the same for black women in other parts. I have no problem with my sistas, it is just that some who on paper look like all star candidates for the "Frodo Award" got some damn skewed perspectives about life and relationships. I'm not sure whether it's the make believe of T.V. or the unrealistic standards of Cosmo and Glamour, but it's warped the minds of women, not just black women, in the U.S. Of course, not all "stereotypical" American women are like this.

AO, why be reluctant to date outside of your own?? If you think about it, the only thing that might be a little different are the cultural customs, but I look at it as a learning experience. The only hurdle in certain instances may be the family, because lets be real, if it gets to the point where you're dating, the girl obviously likes you and there's definite potential to fuck. At that point her dad or mother's voice is what is making her hesitant about the relationship. The next step would be in deciding where is the interaction going.

I say live life to the fullest...date all women that fit your criteria, if it so happens to be a French Cambodian who has the sweetest breast milk on earth, then hey, you hit the jackpot!!!

And Ons ain't talking about going to foreign countries and shit to date these women, they are availible here in the U.S. 1st and 2nd generation women, especially from Africa, Caribbean, and South America, are on another level when it comes to the traditional values and roles of women. And NO, that doesn't mean stay at home and get pregnant. Most of these women are on their grind too. If you look at the top universities in America, I would say that half of the women in post-Bachelor's schooling are 1st or 2nd generation.

You are absolutely right LD...shit I go to a university that has one of the largest influx of science and medical students in the world, meaning that it attracts people from all over. Even more specifically Asian (Arab, Indian, and East Asian as well as South East) and African (Almost every country you can think of, including Madagascar!) so if you are curious or just find someone you're attracted to go out on a limb and stop complaining about how the brothas or sistas you've been running into are doing you wrong. AND, look for quality, in both your own people and others.

No CAC's!

I'm not racist, but they wouldn't be my first option either Sean!!