WTF?!?! So-Called African Americans Didn't Come to America on Slave ships?
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I listened to some of the video out of curiosity.
I guess what he's saying is that black people were in America long before the slave trade. That is true.... Unless I missed something I haven't heard him denying that the slave trade to America ever happened.
I guess what he's saying is that black people were in America long before the slave trade. That is true.... Unless I missed something I haven't heard him denying that the slave trade to America ever happened.
Look -there are real African artifacts in the Americas- I can't find the info on it now, but what you posted isn't evidence of African culture in the Americas.
Africans came to the Americas before Columbus but didn't establish settlements, apparently they assimilated with Olmecs and later the Mayans - by the colonial times there was not a community of ethnically African descendants, not a community of black people co-existing with Mayans Amerins Incas, and native americans.
Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA
https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856
Mayans have an African Y chromosome - Underhill, et, al. (1996)
http://www.pnas.org/content/93/1/196.full.pdf
Sharks used to follow slave ships because they learned they could get a lot of free meals. Slaves that got sick along the way were thrown overboard and became good meals for the sharks. After 400 years of slavery our ancestors should have had no doubt that whites are devils. Over 100 years later we are still struggling to separate from them (well some of us)
That's one of the hardest things for so called African Americans to get a grasp of. The reality we had already traveled and settled across the globe long before Europeans.
we did explore and our people did assimilate with local cultures in the Americas etc -
but half of "us" were not here as a community - there were not groups of black people separate of the native peoples here nor were they intermingled and diverse - like now... just some mixed descendants that did not have negroe features
Look -there are real African artifacts in the Americas- I can't find the info on it now, but what you posted isn't evidence of African culture in the Americas.
Africans came to the Americas before Columbus but didn't establish settlements, apparently they assimilated with Olmecs and later the Mayans - by the colonial times there was not a community of ethnically African descendants, not a community of black people co-existing with Mayans Amerins Incas, and native americans.
Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA
https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856
Mayans have an African Y chromosome - Underhill, et, al. (1996)
http://www.pnas.org/content/93/1/196.full.pdf
1 Mexican bruh.
OK School is in session. Africa is the mother in more words than one. When you look at a map or globe. You will see that everything was once connected to Africa. It all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. So at some time and point in this worlds history. Some africans had to live on that land. So you all are trying to tell me. That when early Africans started to see the the other contents separate from the main land. They said i guess i better step back over there cause im not supposed be from these other places. GTFO! Africa is the only continent that's not on a tectonic plate.
OK School is in session. Africa is the mother in more words than one. When you look at a map or globe. You will see that everything was once connected to Africa. It all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. So at some time and point in this worlds history. Some africans had to live on that land. So you all are trying to tell me. That when early Africans started to see the the other contents separate from the main land. They said i guess i better step back over there cause im not supposed be from these other places. GTFO! Africa is the only continent that's not on a tectonic plate.
really? 1??
ok
the video you posted is talking of migrations in BC time, maybe predating circumnavigation by sea...
the period of time I've been arguing is the last 1000 years...
yes we all come from Africa, and yes I believe African explorers and traders visited the Americas before and after the time Marco Polo opened Asia to Europe.
yes - there is evidence some of the Africans settled down here- but evidence shows those that stayed assimilated or were completely absorbed by the native american communities that were already here... long before Columbus.
So the theory that most African Americans were not brought here on slave ships and are really the true descendants of native Americans is fantasy
this is true - but its off subject - the OP was not talking about this...OK School is in session. Africa is the mother in more words than one. When you look at a map or globe. You will see that everything was once connected to Africa. It all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. So at some time and point in this worlds history. Some africans had to live on that land. So you all are trying to tell me. That when early Africans started to see the the other contents separate from the main land. They said i guess i better step back over there cause im not supposed be from these other places. GTFO! Africa is the only continent that's not on a tectonic plate.
the OP's video is about todays African Americans really being descendants of "true" native americans
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One thing people don't consider is that so called Blacks could have come from the west to the east from Oceania and South Asia via the pacific as Well. I think blacks came here from all over, why not? We could be found practically everywhere else and seem to have travelled around the world.
The stories about the black Khalifians of California and the fables about their massive elegant city could be rooted in that theory.
Their is some book from the 1800's that proclaims that some negroes came from the pacific "austral lands" (Oceania, Oz, PNG). I have it bookmarked somewhere...can't find it right now.
I'm not ruling anything out because the only thing I know for sure is that most of "us" DONT exactly know who our ancestors are, not like how other people from other places do.
The stories about the black Khalifians of California and the fables about their massive elegant city could be rooted in that theory.
Their is some book from the 1800's that proclaims that some negroes came from the pacific "austral lands" (Oceania, Oz, PNG). I have it bookmarked somewhere...can't find it right now.
I'm not ruling anything out because the only thing I know for sure is that most of "us" DONT exactly know who our ancestors are, not like how other people from other places do.
Where is the African DNA in the Americas? 
Genetic evidence shows that Aboriginal Australian DNA is found in South America, thus explaining some of the dark people and even 'African' features that people want to claim. It's amazing how easy DNA testing can sort through claims. Folks want to except it when it proves something they want to believe, and completely ignore it when it shows that they are wrong.
And the information is 'hidden' in peer-reviewed studies that folks publish all the damn time. So much great history to be proud of, there isn't any need to make things up. Let Native Americans have their shit. Or are we going to act like white folks and say they were to stupid to do anything without outside help.
Genetic evidence shows that Aboriginal Australian DNA is found in South America, thus explaining some of the dark people and even 'African' features that people want to claim. It's amazing how easy DNA testing can sort through claims. Folks want to except it when it proves something they want to believe, and completely ignore it when it shows that they are wrong.And the information is 'hidden' in peer-reviewed studies that folks publish all the damn time. So much great history to be proud of, there isn't any need to make things up. Let Native Americans have their shit. Or are we going to act like white folks and say they were to stupid to do anything without outside help.
what do you think about this?Where is the African DNA in the Americas?
And the information is 'hidden' in peer-reviewed studies that folks publish all the damn time. So much great history to be proud of, there isn't any need to make things up. Let Native Americans have their shit. Or are we going to act like white folks and say they were to stupid to do anything without outside help.
Inference of Ancient Black Mexican Tribes and DNA
https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/4856
Mayans have an African Y chromosome - Underhill, et, al. (1996)
http://www.pnas.org/content/93/1/196.full.pdf
Thanks for the first one, as I've never seen that one before(it's recent and from 2015). Interesting. It references the Mali expedition that never returned and two possible waves. The only problem with the study is that it was funded Uthman dan Fodio Institute Research Committee (Clyde Winters) and the piece you linked to was written by Clyde Winters(I've seen some of his previous evidence shredded). He's been looking for things to support his position for years.
Damn. I'm going to have to read some more shit, because I'm sure the results from the study have been discussed somewhere. They didn't collect any new info, just analyzed work that was already done.
Bruh the Genome Project proved that everyone and I mean EVERYONE has AFRICAN DNA in them!
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I know it is im just answering your shit. im also showing that Africans were all over the world before MF was discovering shit.
There's metals in museums found in Smerica that were used to make all types of tools that could only be found on one continent that it originated from... Africa. Can't pull up any articles right now but cmon Easy, you don't think black ppl were over here way before whites? They were the last to the party. Just look at all their time periods, they didn't get out of their dark age until their Renaissance.... And their Renaissance began after they learned black arts and science.
The Slave trade was real, however that doesn't mean black people weren't already all over this world.
no one in this thread really disagrees with that... but that is not what is being pushed by OPs video...
The video is pushing a theory that today's african americans are really descendants of enslaved "true" native americans, which had established communities of africans living side by side with native americans -basically implying the slave trade is a hoax / conspiracy
I think you're missing the points that I'm talking to bborn about, read through our back and forth....
Yes, peeps are missing these details.....
Got you, and that I can say I not versed in at all thnx.
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I asked you 3 questions where you didn't respond to as well as you having a reply to another poster about specific logistics which wasn't even me so we don't have a back and forth.
You seem to have got into your emotions some where down the line derailing any meaningful discussion off top.
I'm just here to spark some thought so we all can know and do more research towards coming to collective proper conclusions based on those who have done the work already and have facts and/or theories that we can break down to see if they are factual or not.
Fams, you've definitely missed the point and are not paying attn to details in your own words as Im not here to go on useless back and forths in some pissing contest with my brothers.
I asked you 3 questions where you didn't respond to as well as you having a reply to another poster about specific logistics which wasn't even me so we don't have a back and forth.
You seem to have got into your emotions some where down the line derailing any meaningful discussion off top.
I'm just here to spark some thought so we all can know and do more research towards coming to collective proper conclusions based on those who have done the work already and have facts and/or theories that we can break down to see if they are factual or not.
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I'm not in my emotions, I'm just pointing out your faulty logic. & you can't even answer the question I asked you.
homie, this is what I asked you. You quoted two responses I made with other people but you cannot answer my question:
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00:06 in and I cut that shit all the way the fuck off....I know we came here by the Mothership and the man speaking has been waiting for it to return since it was last here in 74 with George and P-funk and sadly that's the only thing he still remembers from that night
That's what is important. Looking for truth. Trying to be objective. With folks like Clyde Winters, his mind is made up. He will see things that he wants to see. Other folks just want the damn truth regardless of the outcome. So much we are still learning, but to go into this with bias points to prove just interferes with the learning process.
Damn, I love reading about this type of stuff. I find no shame in having to correct my stances as new information comes in.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2015/07/22/discovery-change-view-human-history/
Until recently, most genetic evidence from studies of modern Native Americans, and ancient skeletal remains, indicated that North and South American peoples were descendants of a single founding population of ancient Siberians, related to the latter-day Chukchi peoples of eastern Siberia.
But linguistic evidence, and studies of the morphology of several ancient skulls from both North and South America, offered hints that the colonisation of the Americas was a more complex process, involving at least two, possibly three waves of colonisation.
One of the most distinctive ancient skulls from the Americas was discovered by a French-Brazilian archaeological team in Vermelho Cave, near Belo Horizonte in south-eastern Brazil in 1973.
The skull, that of a young woman dubbed “Luzia”, yielded a radiocarbon age of 10,030 years. Its narrow, oval cranium with a projecting face and lower chin, resembled the skulls of modern Australoid peoples like Australia’s Aborigines, Melanesians, and the various South-east Asian peoples.
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Answer the question and you will have your answer plus properly pose your concerns to the poster who made the statement.
The so called logic Im utilizing is exactly from the particular video I posted which obviously you did not watch making this a fruitless discussion. With that alone, who is actually displaying faulty logic? Its obvious that you are.
Carry on
Fams, you don't answer a question with another question, nor any need to quote anything.I'm not in my emotions, I'm just pointing out your faulty logic. & you can't even answer the question I asked you.
THIS IS WHAT I ASKED YOU:
Answer the question and you will have your answer plus properly pose your concerns to the poster who made the statement.
The so called logic Im utilizing is exactly from the particular video I posted which obviously you did not watch making this a fruitless discussion. With that alone, who is actually displaying faulty logic? Its obvious that you are.
Carry on
Fam, you say you're using logic from a video? huh? I'm questioning the words that you had written, & you want to throw up and a video and say that's your ONLY logic? Then, how can you question my logic, however I can't question your logic? huh? Ask yourself that.
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