even the bullshit can help ffam...
cause you accidentally raised a good point about humor.
Many times we have an issue balancing humor and drama with Black lead films.
Writer's Circle: How would YOU write Marvel's Black Panther movie? UPDATE:What about the sequel?
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even the bullshit can help ffam...
cause you accidentally raised a good point about humor.
Many times we have an issue balancing humor and drama with Black lead films.
It's got to be a decent balance, because to me T'Challa is more stoic comedy, straight faced and all. At least that's what I got from him in my limited knowledge. I don't want an I'm Gonna Git U Sucka Africa or a cooning nonsense, either.
I would love BP to have a dry almost Blade sense of humor
and the ability for T'challa to kinda be Tony Stark/Bruce Wayne like and Panther be the stoic Batman...
rough draft
Scene:
A group from the outside comes to visit and supposedly 'plead' with Wakanda to join them
T'Challa aka Charlie has returned and is still 'acting' like an Americanized trust fund stereotypical rich Black kid amusing the contingent but infuriating the native people present.
His cousin (who many want to be the heir to the throne) is mortified and ready to physically attack T'Challa but their uncle pulls him back and whispers in his ear...
"Calm yourself. Do not be fooled. See how they lower their guard and smile and accept him into their world. It is because they believe they are superior they NEED to feel this. No matter how false. Let your cousin dance with his mask on as they smile and laugh they expose their true selves their strengths, their weaknesses, their soft underbelly. It as at that moment when the panther strikes with one decisive blow. And he smiles."
Scene:
A group from the outside comes to visit and supposedly 'plead' with Wakanda to join them
T'Challa aka Charlie has returned and is still 'acting' like an Americanized trust fund stereotypical rich Black kid amusing the contingent but infuriating the native people present.
His cousin (who many want to be the heir to the throne) is mortified and ready to physically attack T'Challa but their uncle pulls him back and whispers in his ear...
"Calm yourself. Do not be fooled. See how they lower their guard and smile and accept him into their world. It is because they believe they are superior they NEED to feel this. No matter how false. Let your cousin dance with his mask on as they smile and laugh they expose their true selves their strengths, their weaknesses, their soft underbelly. It as at that moment when the panther strikes with one decisive blow. And he smiles."
^^^^
I have a question on my own project:
I know Stephen King says back stories are like assholes. "Everybody has one and nobody cares,"but I believe it is central to understanding my character's motivation.
as a new author I can't afford to start with the slower backstory. I plan on starting with the day before the kill, the kill, the depression afterward, counseling by her teacher and backstory dealing with her training,before jumping to the present and finishing my protagonists rampage.
I understand that it is not optimum, but a person doesn't just kill, at least not to me. they are shown to kill by a sensei of sorts,and the lessons instill discipline. I don't know how much or how little time I will devote to the lessons, but I want to do more than glaze over the fact that they take place.
I don't want my character to be, or even seem to the audience as a 45 caliber weapon, but more like a ninja sword that was crafted over a long period Of time. 45 caliber weapons can go off at any time under the slightest amount of pressure, whilst a ninja sword took time and discipline to create and though equally as deadly, has far more stability. this also works to make the protagonist more believable.
in the very first Iron Man movie, and in Ant Man, the protagonist took days to do the slightest of moves and weeks to become proficient. while the primary antagonist jumped in the suit and kicked ass like they had lived in the suit their entire lives. that bothered me. I know that is a comic book character, but still the fact that the antagonist didn't put in the time to become good didn't make sense. Is anybody feeling me here? how should I proceed?
I know Stephen King says back stories are like assholes. "Everybody has one and nobody cares,"but I believe it is central to understanding my character's motivation.
as a new author I can't afford to start with the slower backstory. I plan on starting with the day before the kill, the kill, the depression afterward, counseling by her teacher and backstory dealing with her training,before jumping to the present and finishing my protagonists rampage.
I understand that it is not optimum, but a person doesn't just kill, at least not to me. they are shown to kill by a sensei of sorts,and the lessons instill discipline. I don't know how much or how little time I will devote to the lessons, but I want to do more than glaze over the fact that they take place.
I don't want my character to be, or even seem to the audience as a 45 caliber weapon, but more like a ninja sword that was crafted over a long period Of time. 45 caliber weapons can go off at any time under the slightest amount of pressure, whilst a ninja sword took time and discipline to create and though equally as deadly, has far more stability. this also works to make the protagonist more believable.
in the very first Iron Man movie, and in Ant Man, the protagonist took days to do the slightest of moves and weeks to become proficient. while the primary antagonist jumped in the suit and kicked ass like they had lived in the suit their entire lives. that bothered me. I know that is a comic book character, but still the fact that the antagonist didn't put in the time to become good didn't make sense. Is anybody feeling me here? how should I proceed?
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understand and agree.
especially because this a a NEW generation of reader
they know more and are more savvy.
the Dexter books are good example because he started off a master serial killer and encountered other serial killers fully formed...and as the story progressed you learned the back-story.
But *spoilers* if you take Ant-Man for example I wasn't bothered by Cross knowing how to use Yellowjacket...he invented the damn thing.
I think they TRIED (and didn't have enough time or skill to do this fully) to show that Lang's inexperience with the suit was a benefit because he was going to use it in new and different ways Pym never would have considered.
Ava DuVernay opens up about why she passed on directing Black Panther
For months, rumors swirled about Ava DuVernay potentially being on board to direct Marvel’s Black Panther — the first Marvel superhero movie to star a black character. And although DuVernay ultimately passed on the gig, she’s been open about her reasons for her decision.
During the recent 2015 BlogHer conference in New York, DuVernay delivered the closing keynote where she shared advice about how to get ahead in the industry when you’re a minority. Unsurprisingly, the conversation about her Marvel meetings came up and DuVernay went into detail about why she decided to not take the project.
And while she was intrigued by the cultural impact the film would have, especially with a black superhero at the helm, she also went on to explain that “everyone is interested in different things.”
These kinds of talks aren’t uncommon — Alan Taylor recently shared his frustration about working with a big studio like Marvel, and DuVernay has openly admitted that the film she would have wanted to make would have been different than what the studio wanted. But for DuVernay, the most important thing was being able to stay true to the work she wanted to create (she also said she plans to see Black Panther when it’s released).
“This is my art. This is what will live on after I’m gone,” she said. “So it’s important to me that that be true to who I was in this moment. And if there’s too much compromise, it really wasn’t going to be an Ava DuVernay film.”
For months, rumors swirled about Ava DuVernay potentially being on board to direct Marvel’s Black Panther — the first Marvel superhero movie to star a black character. And although DuVernay ultimately passed on the gig, she’s been open about her reasons for her decision.
During the recent 2015 BlogHer conference in New York, DuVernay delivered the closing keynote where she shared advice about how to get ahead in the industry when you’re a minority. Unsurprisingly, the conversation about her Marvel meetings came up and DuVernay went into detail about why she decided to not take the project.
“For me, it was a process of trying to figure out, are these people I want to go to bed with? Because it’s really a marriage, and for this it would be three years,” DuVernay said of the intense commitment Marvel films tend to put on their creative teams. “It’d be three years of not doing other things that are important to me. So it was a question of, is this important enough for me to do?”
And while she was intrigued by the cultural impact the film would have, especially with a black superhero at the helm, she also went on to explain that “everyone is interested in different things.”
These kinds of talks aren’t uncommon — Alan Taylor recently shared his frustration about working with a big studio like Marvel, and DuVernay has openly admitted that the film she would have wanted to make would have been different than what the studio wanted. But for DuVernay, the most important thing was being able to stay true to the work she wanted to create (she also said she plans to see Black Panther when it’s released).
“This is my art. This is what will live on after I’m gone,” she said. “So it’s important to me that that be true to who I was in this moment. And if there’s too much compromise, it really wasn’t going to be an Ava DuVernay film.”
^^^^
Summer 2018[emoji52]? I may be fucking dead by then smmfh
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^^^
this exactly the arc I want to pursue
this exactly the arc I want to pursue
First Look At 'Black Panther' & 'Winter Soldier' On CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR Set
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=123929
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=123929
Black Panther = King Arthur + Batman.
Thoughts?
edit:
This is a Marc Bernardin concept.
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/genius-preview/
Thoughts?
edit:
This is a Marc Bernardin concept.
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/genius-preview/
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Depends on your view of King Arthur? But in my view of King Arthur no. And i've gotten away from calling him Black Tony Stark. He's not. Tchalla see's Tony as a child who's indulgent and spoiled. He doesn't look to highly on Tony. Tchalla is like the smart guy who everyone knows is the smart guy. He knows he's the smartest guy in the room. But he is self confident and he's worked hard on himself. That's why he doesn't really respect Tony. Tony doesn't work for what he has. Tchalla is much closer to Cap America in morals and view points and "code" than Tony is. And he's better than Batman. Because while he's a genius /do everything guy? He has to rule a nation. Bruce doesn't have to do that. Tchalla can. Tchalla is that shit in politics. As well as sciences. Strategy. Tactics. Wartime. The Physical shit. Don't forget that Tchalla does something TOO that Batman has never done, he's melded science and magic. Batman is almost afraid of magic. Tchalla embraces everything that can help him win.
With me addressing Tony earlier came from this here what you said. Tchalla is an adult while Tony is still an adolescent. So him being a party boy just doesn't fit. He's never fit into that. He's COOL. He's level headed. When they showed his college days he was popular because he was a basically a good guy. Nice. A grown ass man. With manners. He's likable. And it's not a mask like it is for Bruce. Tchalla is genuine. He's not hiding behind anything.
He's the supreme black man in my view.
*snicker*
IF you haven't. IF. Go back and read C. Priest's run on BP. Coming from that run. And others. You really think He'd let people call him Charlie? And then read that 1st issue from .........shit i forget his name. Other black writer. Where T'chaka checked that whitey for using his first name. To me Tchalla wouldn't let something like that develop. I just can't see...him being this version.
^^^^^
Why Marvel Is Waiting To Hire A Director For Black Panther
His solo movie doesn’t come out until 2018, and the character won’t make his Marvel Cinematic Universe debut until next year, but there has already been a great deal of talk about who will direct Black Panther. Selma’s Ava DuVernay was very publicly courted by Marvel, and Straight Outta Compton director F. Gary Gray has recently been mentioned, but as it turns out, there’s a very good reason why no one has been given the job yet: Marvel is still waiting to see a script before making that decision, and it sounds like it may be a while before that happens.
According to The Wrap, Marvel is closing in on a deal to secure the services of a scribe, and are near inking a contract with Joe Robert Cole to pen the script. Cole wrote and directed the 2011 thriller Amber Lake, and this isn’t the first time he’s been linked to a Marvel movie. Back in 2014, reports went around that he was going to write the Inhumans movie set for release in 2019. While he may not have an hugely extensive resume, Cole is part of the same in-house writer’s program Nicole Perlman, who worked on the Guardians of the Galaxy script, was involved with.
Despite all of the talk about potential Black Panther directors, the report states that there are no serious contenders at this point. That makes a great deal of sense, especially considering that the movie is a ways off. And though there is sure to be a road map for the story in place, knowing the specifics of a script will be key in finding the right fit for the job.
The report also says that, after the public event that was the Ava DuVernay situation, Marvel is holding off until the script is in hand. While the debates seemed amicable, DuVernay ultimately passed on the chance to helm Black Panther for a number of reasons, including that it would tie her up for years, and that she wouldn’t have been able to make the movie she wanted to make within the Marvel confines.
And as far as F. Gary Gray goes, while he could certainly be a good fit, yesterday arrived with reports that he was the front runner to helm Furious 8. While that doesn’t necessarily take him out of contention for Black Panther, it could prove to be a scheduling hurdle.
This is going to be an interesting director hunt to watch unfold. Marvel appears to be committed to increasing the diversity of the behind the scenes players, and they recently proved that they’re willing to go off book in hiring new filmmakers. Flight of the Conchords Taika Waititi, who is most known for his off-beat comedies, is reportedly in talks to helm the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok, which is also going to be something worth keeping an eye on.
Black Panther is scheduled to hit theaters July 6, 2018, though we’ll get our first introduction to T’Challa, played by Chadwick Boseman, when Captain America: Civil War opens May 6, 2016. Who would you like to see direct Black Panther? Sound off in the comments below.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Marvel-Waiting-Hire-Director-Black-Panther-86587.html
His solo movie doesn’t come out until 2018, and the character won’t make his Marvel Cinematic Universe debut until next year, but there has already been a great deal of talk about who will direct Black Panther. Selma’s Ava DuVernay was very publicly courted by Marvel, and Straight Outta Compton director F. Gary Gray has recently been mentioned, but as it turns out, there’s a very good reason why no one has been given the job yet: Marvel is still waiting to see a script before making that decision, and it sounds like it may be a while before that happens.
According to The Wrap, Marvel is closing in on a deal to secure the services of a scribe, and are near inking a contract with Joe Robert Cole to pen the script. Cole wrote and directed the 2011 thriller Amber Lake, and this isn’t the first time he’s been linked to a Marvel movie. Back in 2014, reports went around that he was going to write the Inhumans movie set for release in 2019. While he may not have an hugely extensive resume, Cole is part of the same in-house writer’s program Nicole Perlman, who worked on the Guardians of the Galaxy script, was involved with.
Despite all of the talk about potential Black Panther directors, the report states that there are no serious contenders at this point. That makes a great deal of sense, especially considering that the movie is a ways off. And though there is sure to be a road map for the story in place, knowing the specifics of a script will be key in finding the right fit for the job.
The report also says that, after the public event that was the Ava DuVernay situation, Marvel is holding off until the script is in hand. While the debates seemed amicable, DuVernay ultimately passed on the chance to helm Black Panther for a number of reasons, including that it would tie her up for years, and that she wouldn’t have been able to make the movie she wanted to make within the Marvel confines.
And as far as F. Gary Gray goes, while he could certainly be a good fit, yesterday arrived with reports that he was the front runner to helm Furious 8. While that doesn’t necessarily take him out of contention for Black Panther, it could prove to be a scheduling hurdle.
This is going to be an interesting director hunt to watch unfold. Marvel appears to be committed to increasing the diversity of the behind the scenes players, and they recently proved that they’re willing to go off book in hiring new filmmakers. Flight of the Conchords Taika Waititi, who is most known for his off-beat comedies, is reportedly in talks to helm the upcoming Thor: Ragnarok, which is also going to be something worth keeping an eye on.
Black Panther is scheduled to hit theaters July 6, 2018, though we’ll get our first introduction to T’Challa, played by Chadwick Boseman, when Captain America: Civil War opens May 6, 2016. Who would you like to see direct Black Panther? Sound off in the comments below.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Why-Marvel-Waiting-Hire-Director-Black-Panther-86587.html