Writer's Circle: Eddie Murphy interview 1990 about John Landis & COMING TO AMERICA and it is wild.

middle america didn't know Eddie was the biggest star in Hollywood
they kind of got a hint after Nutty Professor -
for most part even the media down played how big Eddie was behind the scenes 87 to 92 - and Eddie worked very hard to keep it that way
Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson etc carried the title as far as middle america was concerned

When the Chappelle show started doing the Charlie Murphy stories is the first time main stream white audience started getting a clue that Eddie is a rock star in the industry
My man, you're insane. You really believe after bringing SNL back from the brink, 48 Hours, Trading Places, and Beverly Hills Cop, that white folks didn't know who Eddie Murphy was? After BHC he was the biggest movie star in the country maybe even the world, Murphy was so big that at one time they were talking about him being the next James Bond. By the time of the Chapelle Show Murphy's popularity wasn't near what it was at his peak in the late 80's early 90's.
 
My man, you're insane. You really believe after bringing SNL back from the brink, 48 Hours, Trading Places, and Beverly Hills Cop, that white folks didn't know who Eddie Murphy was? After BHC he was the biggest movie star in the country maybe even the world, Murphy was so big that at one time they were talking about him being the next James Bond. By the time of the Chapelle Show Murphy's popularity wasn't near what it was at his peak in the late 80's early 90's.
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a black movie star is one thing vs as an exec n power player is another ....

Eddie n media down played the power part

BHC made him a certified star - he wasn't king until the success of BHC2

he was popular for his roles but few ever really showed or spoke on his exec power and still do not
 
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why did he let him do Beverly hills cop 3??, blues brothers, coming to america, animal house and trading places are classic movies tho
 
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Wow. I'd never seen/heard this. Wild.
 
Eddie Murphy is ready to make you laugh again: 'I'm still me'

By Derek Lawrence
October 16, 2019 at 03:00 PM EDT
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Eddie Murphy really loves kicking back on his sofa — it’s one reason he’s made just two films in the past eight years. “I was tired,” says Murphy, who consistently churned out blockbusters in the ’80s and ’90s. But in 2015, the 58-year-old stand-up icon was awarded the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor, and knowing that a slew of contemporaries would be honoring him at the ceremony, he sat down and wrote new material for the first time since stepping back from the comedy scene. The reaction blew him away. “When you get that Mark Twain Prize, you get to meet the president, and I met Obama and the first thing out of his mouth was ‘When are you doing stand-up again?’ I was like, ‘Wow,’ ” Murphy says with a laugh. “Between that and the award, I was ready to get back.”
It’s not the first time Hollywood’s been primed for an Eddiessance. His turn in 2006’s Dreamgirls earned him an Oscar nod, and he made another awards bid with the 2016 drama Mr. Church, which, despite praise for his performance, fizzled at the box office. “I didn’t want to end on Mr. Church,” he says. “I wanted to do something where, if I decided to never get off the couch again and just go do stand-up, it would be a nice way to go out.”

And that something came courtesy of another comedy pioneer. Murphy had long wanted to develop the story of Rudy Ray Moore, a trailblazing comedian who created one of the more bizarre personas of the blaxploitation era: Dolemite, an expletive-spewing pimp character Moore invented as a comic and brought to the big screen in 1975. Dolemite, the movie, was made for peanuts, starred many of Moore’s pals, and was written off as a total mess by critics — but it somehow spawned sequels and became a cult phenomenon for its raunchy ghetto humor and brazen tackiness. “Richard Pryor is the ceiling of the art of being funny, and this [guy] is the whole other side of the spectrum,” says Murphy, who blames the 2002 misfire The Adventures of Pluto Nash (“or some s— like that”) for keeping his plans to make a Moore biopic in 15 years of development hell. Netflix eventually came to Murphy’s rescue, and the result, Dolemite Is My Name, is available to stream Oct. 25. “He f—ing believes in himself, and that’s why his stuff works,” Murphy says of Moore, whom the actor got to meet with about the project before his death in 2008. “I thought the whole idea of ‘You don’t have to be brilliant to get your s— off, you just have to believe in it’ was a universal and timeless story.”
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Like Moore, Murphy believes. “I’m still me,” he proclaims. “I know I’m still funny. When I first got up on the mic for Dolemite, there were a couple scenes with an audience and I was improvising and they were laughing and I had flickers of ‘Oh yeah, I remember that sound.’” Already the subject of Oscar buzz for his performance (“It never sucks to be in those conversations,” he says with a laugh), Murphy was so thrilled with the Dolemite experience that he’s moving up his returns to stand-up and Saturday Night Live, which gave him his big break in 1980. “This is a good thing to pop back up with, and while I’m at it, I might as well go back to SNL,” Murphy recalls of deciding to host for the first time in 35 years. “When I was back there for the 40th anniversary, I started having the kind of feelings you would have when you go back to your old high school. The show is a big part of my personal legacy and I was like, ‘Let me go back to where I came from, and be funny there and have some fun.”

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And, happy as he was on his couch, what’s even better is being back in the game. “It’s great to be in a movie that works and that’s funny,” says Murphy, who is currently working on sequels to Coming to America and Beverly Hills Cop. “That’s the only reason why I’m making movies. I want to be in one that people like, and it’s been a long time since I’ve had one. [Dolemite] is a well-made movie and it’s f—ing funny — and that’s a good feeling.”
And an even better one: You can watch from your own couch.
 
Spike was talking out of his ass

Just ask Keenan Wayans how much Eddie looked out and invested in or hired black talent and production....


There is still not enough told about Eddie's moves in Hollywood - in the 80s and 90s
martin lawerence , chris rock, dave chapelle etc
 
Yeah that was some ho ass shit that Spike did. He was always pulling that “you’re not black enough” shit with black Hollywood. Shit is irresponsible.
yeah dude is a loudmouth....called tyler perry a coon and buffoon but smiled ear to ear when he named a soundstage after him....yeah spike...MADEA bought you the monument to your career that white hollywood would NEVER give you. And I'm not talking about perry..I'm talking about the character MADEA the same "coonery buffoonery" Spike scorned is the same shit that built a soundstage in his name.

Spike blew it with me when he jumped up and down like a damn fool for winning an oscar he should have gotten 30 years ago.
 
yeah dude is a loudmouth....called tyler perry a coon and buffoon but smiled ear to ear when he named a soundstage after him....yeah spike...MADEA bought you the monument to your career that white hollywood would NEVER give you. And I'm not talking about perry..I'm talking about the character MADEA the same "coonery buffoonery" Spike scorned is the same shit that built a soundstage in his name.

Spike blew it with me when he jumped up and down like a damn fool for winning an oscar he should have gotten 30 years ago.

I’ve always been disgusted by black folks who publicly rail against the white establishment but secretly covet white praise and recognition. There’s nothing wrong with feeling pride that the preeminent organization in your industry praises your work, but there’s definitely something wrong with lambasting a historically discriminatory organization solely because they don’t show you love in particular.
 
I’ve always been disgusted by black folks who publicly rail against the white establishment but secretly covet white praise and recognition. There’s nothing wrong with feeling pride that the preeminent organization in your industry praises your work, but there’s definitely something wrong with lambasting a historically discriminatory organization solely because they don’t show you love in particular.
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fight the power indeed....:smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
Who’s Afraid of an Eddie Murphy Comeback?
By Dave Schilling
Dolemite Is My Name allows Eddie Murphy to reclaim a potent swagger that made him both inescapably magnetic and undeniably threatening. Photo: Netflix
In the new Netflix film Dolemite Is My Name, a dramatization of the real story behind a 1970s blaxploitation classic, Eddie Murphy’s Rudy Ray Moore is faced with the daunting task of performing a sex scene in front of the ragtag crew he’s assembled to bring a soon-to-be-cult movie to life. Moore is a paunchy, middle-aged, borderline sexless man who has nonetheless made a career out of boasting about his sexual prowess, posing nude with models on the covers of his raunchy comedy albums. But now, he’s being asked to illustrate that imagined prowess for the camera. Instead of playing the scene for titillation, Moore decides to lean into the joke. He rocks the bed violently, causing pictures to bounce up and down on the walls. A piece of the ceiling falls. Dolemite’s libidinous power is off the charts. He might not look like much, but under the right circumstances, he can make the Earth move.
Black masculinity in movies, especially comedies, was and remains a dicey subject. When the original Dolemite was released in 1975, only eight years had passed since Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner became the rare Hollywood movie to depict an interracial relationship. In that film, Sidney Poitier plays an eerily perfect example of an upper-class African-American man, nary a rough edge to be found. The image of John Prentice would go on to define black sexuality in pop culture for years after, and while the line from Poitier to Will Smith is not a clean one, an idea persisted: for a black actor in 20th century Hollywood, placidity was the key. Otherwise, you don’t get the girl. Outside of romantic dramas, many of the great black comedic film actors of the era were pulled into this cinematic paradigm. Richard Pryor was a massive star for years, but in movies like Brewster’s Millions, the white female co-lead was his cheery confidant rather than a lover. Before Bill Cosby was outed as a sexual predator, he appeared in movies like Leonard: Part 6 and Ghost Dad, where he was a doddering parental figure rather than a romantic lead.

In the pre–My Name is Dolemite career of Eddie Murphy, we see how hesitant Hollywood and audiences alike could be when it comes to black male sexuality on screen. You can count the number of sex scenes he’s performed on one hand — largely as the romantic lead in unpopular fare like Vampire in Brooklyn or Boomerang. Audiences never quite embraced his virility the way they fell for his wit, energy, and sexless charm in Beverly Hills Cop or Trading Places. The box-office grosses for Murphy’s romantic films paled in comparison to the mega-bucks successes of movies like 48 Hours. In Trading Places, it’s not Murphy but Dan Aykroyd who gets the girl at the end. In Beverly Hills Cop, Axel Foley is “just a friend,” eliminating any chance of him bedding the leading lady when the bad guys are all dead. Murphy’s biggest hits were R-rated films filled with provocative language, nudity, and violence, yet sex was less than an afterthought. Axel Foley could go to a strip club and crack wise around countless exposed breasts, but it was as if these things were happening behind glass.

The black movie stars that came after Murphy, now 58, had more success developing romantic personas. Namely, Will Smith, who could sublimate any threatening aspects of his persona to seduce Margot Robbie in Focus. Predominantly black romantic comedies like The Best Man began to spring up with more frequency. While all of this was happening, Murphy was either slathering himself in makeup for kids’ movies or struggling to keep up with Smith, now 51, in sci-fi comedies like The Adventures of Pluto Nash.

Murphy’s superpower was extreme confidence and unflappable wit. Smith has that, but he also possesses a remarkable capacity for vulnerability; he’s not especially tough or particularly menacing. Above all, he feels safe. In Coming to America, arguably Eddie’s most successful attempt at being a romantic hero, he has to play a naive fish-out-of-water to be credibly romantic to moviegoers. His inherent street smarts are negated by how alien his character is made to feel. The film was surely a triumphant moment in Murphy’s career, but the part was far from the flashy talker people fell in love with on SNL or in his stand-up concert films.

Part of what makes Dolemite Is My Name so revelatory is that it allows Murphy to play a character who was, unequivocally, sexual over four decades ago. It was, after all, the blaxploitation films of the 1970s that took Poitier’s portrayal of acceptable blackness and blew it all to hell. These movies were violent, crass, and explicit. They gave white audiences a glimpse of a different kind of hero. Dolemite, as with contemporaneous characters like Shaft, demanded a sexual gaze. But by the time Eddie Murphy became the most recognizable black face in late 1980s movies, mainstream acceptance of those transgressive stories had waned significantly. Movies reflected the new Reagan-era conservatism that gave us the non-threatening, buttoned-up Cosby Show.


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Only in blaxploitation could black sexuality be truly unleashed. Of course, those blaxploitation characters usually had to be pimps or lotharios hopping from bed to bed. The original Dolemite film was about a falsely imprisoned pimp and nightclub owner coming back to reclaim his territory. His only real ally is another, female pimp named Queen Bee. Romance can be beside the point or blatantly irrelevant in blaxploitation; it’s sex as trade or sex as conquest, which plays into damaging stereotypes about black men that still persist. Nonetheless, in films like Dolemite and Superfly, there was something revolutionary — which Murphy brings to the fore. In a way, Murphy playing Rudy Ray Moore playing Dolemite presents an alternate universe version of the actor, who he might have been in an era when black sexuality was in vogue.

Because the role of Dolemite represents the antithesis of what Murphy did in Coming to America. (Murphy will be reprising both the roles of Akeem and Axel Foley in 2020’s Coming 2 America and the not-yet-dated Beverly Hills Cop 4, respectively.) Dolemite is brash, angry, clever, and unflappable, prepared to be the baddest, coolest person in any room. That’s who Eddie Murphy was in the 1980s, and that’s often what people expect from black men in America. It’s worth nothing that Moore himself was never married and didn’t have any children, which led to rumors that he might have been gay. If he was, it was a cruelly inhospitable time to live as an out gay man, particularly while portraying Dolemite. (Remember that comics like Murphy often used homophobic material to get cheap laughs in the ‘80s.) Black masculinity can be so retrograde, reactionary, and intolerant in part because of what we wrongfully deem to be our most redeeming qualities; our edge, our hipness, and our confidence is what some outsiders have decided gives us our worth. Part of the joke of the bed scene in Dolemite is that it dramatizes exactly what white audiences are afraid of, that black men are sexual dynamos that can make the ceiling collapse in your bedroom.

Dolemite Is My Name is Eddie Murphy reclaiming an aspect of himself that he seemed to have lost, that incredibly potent swagger that made him both inescapably magnetic and undeniably threatening. It’s what made him one of the greatest, if not the greatest, black movie stars. It was when he downplayed it or saw it as a hindrance that his influence faltered. Playing Rudy Ray Moore allows Murphy, for once, to wield black masculinity without fear, to make the earth move with his power.
 
middle america didn't know Eddie was the biggest star in Hollywood
they kind of got a hint after Nutty Professor -
for most part even the media down played how big Eddie was behind the scenes 87 to 92 - and Eddie worked very hard to keep it that way
Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Gibson etc carried the title as far as middle america was concerned

When the Chappelle show started doing the Charlie Murphy stories is the first time main stream white audience started getting a clue that Eddie is a rock star in the industry

why you think that was?
 
why you think that was?
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he is black
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Murphy's pre Nutty Professor branding in media (quick talking, even faster thinking urban black man)
imo in the 80s only some white men in entertainment were allowed diversity / complex images - looking back the entire entertainment industry was practising kayfabe until recently look back at Jerry Lewis - he wasn't allowed to break character or clue the public in on his growing empire until he stopped making movies
only certain white men were allowed to display peeks behind the curtain

in the 80s and 80s the only real difference between these four was age and race
all 4 could greenlight a large budget with their names alone
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"I went to Paramount and said I wanted to use Landis."
"I made Paramount hire him."
"I made them pay his money."

Who remembers when Spike Lee criticized Murphy for not making sure more black folks were getting behind the scene jobs on his movies, and Aresino defended Murphy by saying even though he's one of the biggest stars in the world it's only so much he can do? He said this to Spike Lee who even though he had one ten-thousandth of the clout Murphy had still managed to get black folks in film industry union jobs where they had no blacks before.
All he meant by that was he couldn't get SPIKE in places where Spike wasn't wanted, and that he prolly didn't wanna work with Spike either. Nothing wrong with that. I don't know if ya noticed, but Black people are not underrepresented in entertainment. And Eddie has had tons of Black people working, AND created roles , Black people had never been seen as before.


In boomeran(g, he presented that Black corporate world , that inspired a ton of us. I know me and my friends wanted to be like the Marcus character. Who didn't want the fishtank tv thing ?


Coming to America he made himself an Afrifan King.

48 hours, a Black detective

His casting choices put on tons of Black people. He worked with the hudlin brothers, put on robert Towmsend as a director , introduced Chris rock to the world, and the success of his movies , made room for more Black leads.

Spike Lee has A history of putting his foot in his mouth a the time. It's actually a part of his promotion tricks. We see how Tyler Perry just shut his ass up.

As far as Union jobs, we only know of the ones Spike has put people in because he tells us about it. We don't know what Eddie Murohy has done on that department, cuz he's not a loud mouth like Spike. He just gets to it, ENT the results speak for themselves.
 





Eddie Murphy has met plenty of icons over his long career, but no interaction is more famous than his unexpected pickup basketball loss against Prince and "the Blouses."

During season 2 of Chappelle's Show, Murphy's older brother Charlie, who passed away in 2017, delivered one of the sketch series' most memorable segments with "Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories," in which he recalled a 1985 night out that started at the club and ended at Prince's house with a game of basketball and pancakes. Appearing on Thursday's Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, Eddie confirmed the hilarious tale.

"That is totally and absolutely accurate," he told Fallon of the sketch, before describing Prince's very Prince and very non-basketball attire for the showdown. "My brother was like, 'Okay, it's going to be shirts against blouses.' [Laughs] The blouses won, they beat the s--- out of us. We had one dude on our squad Larry who could play and he didn't have no shoes so Prince gave him some sneakers. And Prince wore like two, three sizes smaller than Larry, but Larry was so excited to have Prince's sneakers on, he put those tiny sneakers on his feet and he couldn't do his game right. So we lost. The one dude who could play, Prince's shoes had him shutdown."
 
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