Would an Afrocentric school lead to segregation again?

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Toronto trustees narrowly approve black-focused school


CAROLINE ALPHONSO AND JAMES BRADSHAW
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
January 30, 2008 at 12:49 AM EST

TORONTO — In a tight vote, Toronto District School Board trustees Tuesday night approved a contentious proposal for a black-focused school that opponents argued would be the equivalent of segregation.
The 11-9 vote in favour came after an evening of impassioned pleas both for and against the school from community members, including one from the mother of slain 15-year-old Jordan Manners.
Tuesday night's vote means that an alternative Afro-centric school will open in the city in September, 2009, but its location and grade levels are still to be determined.
“This is a bold decision. We're opening ourselves up for real change in the system,” trustee Michael Coteau, said after the vote.


Trustees Tuesday night voted on four recommendations that come with an initial price tag of $820,000:

Angela Wilson, a community member who brought the idea forward, added: “It's a bittersweet thing because it should have happened a long time ago and it shouldn't have brought all this pain back to our black community.”

Trustee Josh Matlow, who opposed the motion, said that it would simply lead to more divisiveness among students.
“We don't believe that students should be divided by race, even if it's with the best of intentions,” he said.


Earlier in the evening, Loreen Small, Jordan's mother, urged trustees to quash the proposal.

“Black school is segregation,” Ms. Small said. “It's not right.”
She was among 20 speakers who addressed trustees on the issue. Her son, Jordan, was shot to death in the hallway of C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute in North York last May.

- Open a black-focused alternative school in September, 2009, and set up a team to determine such things as grade level, location and appropriate curriculum.

- Set up a three-year pilot program in three existing schools that will integrate the history, culture and experiences of blacks in society.

- Team up with York University and other postsecondary institutions to establish a centre for staff development, research and innovation to track data and test best practices to help marginalized and vulnerable students.

- Have the director of education look at other proposals and develop an action plan for improving achievement among underperforming students.

The idea for a black-focused school has been around since at least 1995, when a royal commission recommended it.
However, Premier Dalton McGuinty has expressed reservations about a black-focused school in Toronto. It will be the second such school in Canada: An elementary school in the predominately black community of North Preston, N.S., has an Afro-centric philosophy.

Education Minister Kathleen Wynne fears that it will spur other cultural and religious groups to lobby for their own separate schools within a public system.

“My preference is that we have all our kids learning together,” Ms. Wynne said in an interview before Tuesday night's board meeting.

“My preference is the initiatives around curriculum are expanded,” she said.One Grade 11 student attending Jarvis Collegiate Institute echoed that sentiment.

“There's no need to make a whole different school for just black people; you can just make certain programs in regular schools and get them focused there,” said Jamaal Thomas, who was making his way to class yesterday.

He said that students are taught some black history in schools, “but it could be a little bit more. All we have is, what, Black History month? So we could get more in some other months.”
 
that isn't a 'black' school unless they ONLY allow black kids to go. it's a school that focuses on a curriculum of an afrocentric nature. won't lead to 'segregation'. there's a few grade/middle schools like that out here in l.a. and it's all good. the people in the thread who DIDN'T want a 'black' school are prolly afraid that whites won't want to go.....and that would be on them cause they'd have the freedom to attend
 
am all for this and live in toronto.
lotta times ppl mistake segregation and racism.
segregation in a lot of cases can just be that u are more comfy around others u relate better with. whether its by class/race/nationality etc. ppl dont necessarily segregate because they hate or despise others.
EG...if its the first day on my job and i walk into the cafeteria and see a table of blk folks/Asians/Caucasians/Indians etc...u best believe il be goin ova to the blk folks table.
seregation possible
hate for others not necessarily.
comfort level definitely.
 
am all for this and live in toronto.
lotta times ppl mistake segregation and racism.
segregation in a lot of cases can just be that u are more comfy around others u relate better with. whether its by class/race/nationality etc. ppl dont necessarily segregate because they hate or despise others.
EG...if its the first day on my job and i walk into the cafeteria and see a table of blk folks/Asians/Caucasians/Indians etc...u best believe il be goin ova to the blk folks table.
seregation possible
hate for others not necessarily.
comfort level definitely.

I'm from TO and this is bullshit.

It shouldnt happen, b/c it doesn't address the problems (all ths shootings and poverty) it's an easy out to NOT do anything to reverse the downward spiral and the REAL problems that forces "black" people into ghettos and into gangs,etc...

"Knowledge of self" won't feed a young teenager when mom can't and it sure as hell won't stop me from robbin / joining a gang if it helps me materially.

I can't eat a "black" history textbook.

Also for your example...ever stop to ask yourself why there are "white / black / asian / indian" tables?
 
The white man doesn't want to let go of the blackman in anyway. If this was an Asian school nobody would give a shit. Jews do this and will name their schools "The Jewish School of" whatever and nobody gives a shit. So why is this an issue?
 
Integration is a double edge sword, it help us and hurt us at the same time, depending on what your position is. All this integration has kept blacks away from their history on knowledge of who we are and what roll we played in bringing civilization, but most of all it kept us from knowing that, most of the concepts in religion was started by us and that we have been oppressed for centuries with false information to keep us from regaining our true positions in this world.

A afrocentric school with the right knowledge threatens that, no other race of people would be able to deal with the afrocentric experience, because all of their cards would be pulled and exposed and to them it would come across as preaching hate and racism and that's what the beef is about depending on where you stand.
 
The white man doesn't want to let go of the blackman in anyway. If this was an Asian school nobody would give a shit. Jews do this and will name their schools "The Jewish School of" whatever and nobody gives a shit. So why is this an issue?

Its not just for "Jewish People" it for people who practice Judaism a Friend of a Friend was An Ethiopien Jew and attended a "Jewish School".
 
why is it that ALL other groups can center their learning around their unique history besides us ?

because a correct education frees people...

You have Ethiopian Jews true and you also have blacks from the Caribbean Brazil and Afrika same difference. I know,* black "diversity" is trivial right?...
 
eh, the drop out rate for blacks is 40%, then we have the instances of blacks assaulting teachers, killing each other at school, etc.... So the city's solution is to create a black school. This does nothing but once again alienate blacks. Stupid idea.

Parents need to do their gotdamn jobs, i'm tired of parents letting they kids run rampant doing all kinds a things then blaming everybody but themselves when their kids get caught up in some sh1t.
 
why haven't "mixed" schools worked so far?

all these black teachers with disdain/hatred for black kids,* please go teach at all white schools,* do yourself and our kids a favor.
 
Yes. We should be learning together, as human beings. White children need to learn about black culture, and black children need to learn about white culture.

We have to learn together in this bitch. The reason why schools like this exist is because the white schools are so devoid of teaching black history, fully, within the context of American History.

The United States of America, could not exist as it does today without African Americans. So the American Education system has to be reformed and teach the full scope.

IN ADDITION, black parents need to start an after-school or saturday program that teaches african-american history and culture.

THAT's what WE need to do.
 
that isn't a 'black' school unless they ONLY allow black kids to go. it's a school that focuses on a curriculum of an afrocentric nature. won't lead to 'segregation'. there's a few grade/middle schools like that out here in l.a. and it's all good. the people in the thread who DIDN'T want a 'black' school are prolly afraid that whites won't want to go.....and that would be on them cause they'd have the freedom to attend

I graduated from an Afrocentric school in New Brunswick, NJ whose motto was "education for self reliance". It was pretty nice in its prime but they always had money problems. The education was on par with what I would allow myself to get from public schools and Catholic Schools. We had a sense of family and every afternoon we would gather in a spiral circle with the youngest in the middle and the oldest on the outside to recite the Nguzo Saba and sing Lift Every Voice and Sing. The school was small enough to impart that sense of family and when you slacked off, fell off, or fucked up you felt like you were letting family down. Family, on the other hand, was there to lift you up.
 
Yes. We should be learning together, as human beings. White children need to learn about black culture, and black children need to learn about white culture.

We have to learn together in this bitch. The reason why schools like this exist is because the white schools are so devoid of teaching black history, fully, within the context of American History.

The United States of America, could not exist as it does today without African Americans. So the American Education system has to be reformed and teach the full scope.

IN ADDITION, black parents need to start an after-school or saturday program that teaches african-american history and culture.

THAT's what WE need to do.
What a lot of Americans don't know is, up here in Canada you learn NOTHING about black history, nothing at all (all we had for black history month was a bunch of posters posted in the hallways). I had to learn my sh1t on my own. Took all the courses on black history/west indian culture in University. You'd think Canadian history was comprised of just whites and american indians.
 
sensitive topic here.

the problem is that here in toronto they discovered that there is a 40% dropout rate for black students and this arguably is catalysing the flow of criminal activity and gang affiliation within the core of the city. the this dropout rate is a crisis in my eyes. if this number 40% represented whites, drastic changes would of been made to the current curriculum in a heartbeat!

the question we need to ask ourselves is why the high rates of dropouts? once we discover that answer out we will be in a better situation to strategize out potential action plans.
 
that isn't a 'black' school unless they ONLY allow black kids to go. it's a school that focuses on a curriculum of an afrocentric nature. won't lead to 'segregation'. there's a few grade/middle schools like that out here in l.a. and it's all good. the people in the thread who DIDN'T want a 'black' school are prolly afraid that whites won't want to go.....and that would be on them cause they'd have the freedom to attend

Co-Sign.
 
am all for this and live in toronto.
lotta times ppl mistake segregation and racism.
segregation in a lot of cases can just be that u are more comfy around others u relate better with. whether its by class/race/nationality etc. ppl dont necessarily segregate because they hate or despise others.
EG...if its the first day on my job and i walk into the cafeteria and see a table of blk folks/Asians/Caucasians/Indians etc...u best believe il be goin ova to the blk folks table.
seregation possible
hate for others not necessarily.
comfort level definitely.

Co-Sign.
 
The white man doesn't want to let go of the blackman in anyway. If this was an Asian school nobody would give a shit. Jews do this and will name their schools "The Jewish School of" whatever and nobody gives a shit. So why is this an issue?

Co-Sign.

You Right It Should Not Be A Issue.
 
why is it that ALL other groups can center their learning around their unique history besides us ?

because a correct education frees people...

They Don't Want Blacks To Have A Proper Education And I Can Guarantee That Would Spy There Asses Off Trying To See What's Going On In That School Even If It's Not None Of There Business.
 
Yes. We should be learning together, as human beings. White children need to learn about black culture, and black children need to learn about white culture.

We Don't Need To Learn About White Culture I Wish When I Was In High School They Would Have Taught Black History But When I Went To College I Learned About It So It Worked Out For Me Anyway Thank Goodness.
 
What a lot of Americans don't know is, up here in Canada you learn NOTHING about black history, nothing at all (all we had for black history month was a bunch of posters posted in the hallways). I had to learn my sh1t on my own. Took all the courses on black history/west indian culture in University. You'd think Canadian history was comprised of just whites and american indians.

Co-Sign, I Grew Up In Canada And I Agree With You 100% They Didn't Teach About Black History You Basically Had To Teach Yourself About It And That's What I Did I Read And Took Some College Courses In It .

I Don't Really Fault The System Cause All The Resources Are There For You To Teach Yourself That's What You Got A Brain For.
 
Either revolutionize the current school system or allow the "alternative" Afrocentric schools to be built. I don't think anyone should be forced or told where they can or can't go, but at least give them the option if they feel like they aren't getting the type of education they desire.

Schools are pretty much segregated anyways, at least where I'm from in the states. You have your schools in the 'hood (black schools) and you have your schools in the predominantly white areas of town. Same difference. Only thing is, the children attending the predominantly black schools aren't learning things relevant to them.

So, I'm looking forward to voting on this in the states once Barack becomes President. :cool:
 
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