Workout heads...What would be a great routine with these exercises???

[spider705]

So you really gonna present a guy with no shoulders AT ALL attempt to prove your point?

I been doing that excercise since day 1 and i never accrued a shoulder injury, its just dudes with bad form or really just weak overall shoulder development this great excercise should shun away from.....just cuz u cant do it doesnt mean u need to neglect others from using it,missing out on some serious gains
If you ever see me in houston
(greenspoint fitness connection ) you would be apologizing for showing me that pathetic video

stop putting limitations on yourself because somebody in a video told you what you cant do or what you shouldnt do.

Take from the video what you will, pimp. No need to issue empty threats or speaking on limitations.

And trust me I'll NEVER set foot in that ratchet stankin' ass fitness connection in Gunspoint again....That place smells like air conditioned piss and corn chips.... I feel dirty leaving there and that's with showering after my workout....so don't hold your breath waiting on that apology bruh...

This video only illustrates what I was told by a doctor when I hurt my shoulder while working out. You always want to stay within natural motions and body movements when lifting. That goes double if you're lifting heavy. That's all I'm saying. Deviations from that leads to unnecessary wear and tear on your body.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

 

[gamersfuel]

as far as the behind the neck presses go it's going to depend on the person. I do them with no issues at all and my shoulders respond to them. If they hurt, dont do them. If it does not bother you, go for it.

 

[TonyNJ1208]

Behind the back presses are great for shoulders... I do 4 sets of 10 front and back... I go heavy in the front but light when doing behind the neck...

 

[Mask]

What y'all think about these? I'm planning to go get some proteins today.

 

[samh32]

What y'all think about these? I'm planning to go get some proteins today.

I think anyone spending money on all those supplements, should do a little research. Most have been proven to be ineffective in overall health benefits.

 

[Sampson]

Damn, Nobody dropped some serious knowledge. Thanks bro.

 

[Sampson]

Couple things...

Leg extensions
Leg press x2

Leg presses contort your spine in such an awkward position that it'll lead to tightness and problems in your back eventually. If you already have back problems then you definitely don't want to do them.

I'd substitute step ups... Just hold two 45lb plates and step up onto a bench... If you feeling extra rip the other leg thru to the ceiling to get those hip flexors.

Leg extensions are too close ended... They focus solely on that one muscle on the top of the leg and you can accomplish that same thing with the leg curls.




I'm just here so I don't get fined

Any other leg exercises you would recommend? I play soccer so my legs are pretty ripped already, I just want to add a bit more muscle to my calves. I skip HIIT for about 15 minutes but that only tones them.

 

[Sampson]

and dont sleep on shitting everyday

if you aint shitting you keeping all

types of toxins in you....

One of the things I incorporate

is ground flax seeds

I put that shit on everthing from salads, to oatmeal,

to sea food when I make crispy salmon steaks...


keep those intestines and colon clean..

if you dont yo ass AINT healthy!!!

try to do so through a proper diet as opposed to

a quick colon cleanse..

If you do need one.. Senna leaves are awesome..


and you aint getting that six pack if you never had one before,

with a clogged colon..


this is a cool thread Im learning a little somethin somethin!!

What this man said is the truth. Do not resort to whey protein or any other supplements. They will do damage in the long term. Put it this way, you can't consume whey protein for the rest of your life. Get ground Flaxseeds. Make sure they're grounded. Your body will struggle to consume whole seeds.

If you're going to beef up then do it naturally. The harder it is to gain the more easy it becomes to maintain.

 

[junyloko]

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[MadWun]

Nice thread

 

[Sampson]

I think anyone spending money on all those supplements, should do a little research. Most have been proven to be ineffective in overall health benefits.

Man, don't fuck with that shit unless you want fucked up kidneys.

 

[manVzone]

Take from the video what you will, pimp. No need to issue empty threats or speaking on limitations.

And trust me I'll NEVER set foot in that ratchet stankin' ass fitness connection in Gunspoint again....That place smells like air conditioned piss and corn chips.... I feel dirty leaving there and that's with showering after my workout....so don't hold your breath waiting on that apology bruh...

This video only illustrates what I was told by a doctor when I hurt my shoulder while working out. You always want to stay within natural motions and body movements when lifting. That goes double if you're lifting heavy. That's all I'm saying. Deviations from that leads to unnecessary wear and tear on your body.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

You just had to take it there huh? Leave Greenspoint alone,we all tryna make it out here

 

[max-dawg]

Is Muscle Milk helpful? What about adding it to smoothies?

I'm not trying to get all cut and bulky. Just want to lose the stomach. I weight 200lbs about 6 months ago. I'm down to 175 and can see abs starting to form. I run maybe 7 times a week, a few miles each time. No sugar, bread, white rice, fried foods. I lift weights maybe 4 times week. Mostly using crunch machines and other exercises for abs. Any other suggestions?

eat real food. the shit is called, "supplements" for a reason; they only are used to supplement your diet if you can't get to some real food in a timely manner.

as for working out, i'm 46 in a few days, and i went from doing a 5 - 6 day split as a youngster to working out every other day. weights followed by cardio (moderate pace, early a.m., on an empty stomach). i'm still making gains, energetic, and not as sore (in the joints).

about nutrition...

don't get fucked over thinking you'll drink protein shakes and look like a pro bodybuilder. most of it is crap, and good old-fashioned home-cooked food is your best bet.

like the other brother said, timing is everything. knowing WHEN to eat is just as important as what you eat.

 

[wtfrulookinat]

i'm listening.

You want to keep your carbs within a certain range (I do 200 grams per day) and you want to get the majority of them in around your workout (pre-workout meal, post workout - post workout intake should be low complex carbs). You want to eliminate as much, if not all sugar from your diet...do 6 small meals about every 2 hours...this keeps your metabolism up in an optimal range so your constantly in an anabolic/fat burning state...and you want to eat immediately after your workout (take a tupperware dish to the gym)...that's when your body will crave it's nutrition and utilize it best (nutrient timing)...you want high protein, veggies and either brown rice or sweet potatoes...this is key for gaining muscle and keeping yourself out of a catabolic state (your body eating away at your gains). Instead of relying on protein shakes, use BCAA's while you're working out...they provide the same recovery as protein shakes without the misconception that they replace real food...I use protein once a day, post workout, because it helps along with food to feed the muscle you've just ripped.

 

[Mask]

eat real food. the shit is called, "supplements" for a reason; they only are used to supplement your diet if you can't get to some real food in a timely manner.

as for working out, i'm 46 in a few days, and i went from doing a 5 - 6 day split as a youngster to working out every other day. weights followed by cardio (moderate pace, early a.m., on an empty stomach). i'm still making gains, energetic, and not as sore (in the joints).

about nutrition...

don't get fucked over thinking you'll drink protein shakes and look like a pro bodybuilder. most of it is crap, and good old-fashioned home-cooked food is your best bet.

like the other brother said, timing is everything. knowing WHEN to eat is just as important as what you eat.

Good point Max...

 

[Sampson]

eat real food. the shit is called, "supplements" for a reason; they only are used to supplement your diet if you can't get to some real food in a timely manner.

as for working out, i'm 46 in a few days, and i went from doing a 5 - 6 day split as a youngster to working out every other day. weights followed by cardio (moderate pace, early a.m., on an empty stomach). i'm still making gains, energetic, and not as sore (in the joints).

about nutrition...

don't get fucked over thinking you'll drink protein shakes and look like a pro bodybuilder. most of it is crap, and good old-fashioned home-cooked food is your best bet.

like the other brother said, timing is everything. knowing WHEN to eat is just as important as what you eat.

I keep on telling guys this over and over. Stop with the supplements and protein shakes. They're only quick fixes. Good old home cooking is healthier and more nutritious. I'd say what you eat is just as if not more important than working out in the gym.

some of my colleagues spend hours in the gym a day but see little to no gains because their diet is poor. Don't bother working out guys unless you're going to eat properly. Don't buy a luxury car if you're not going to fill it with premium gas.

 

[Mr. Del]

I keep on telling guys this over and over. Stop with the supplements and protein shakes. They're only quick fixes. Good old home cooking is healthier and more nutritious. I'd say what you eat is just as if not more important than working out in the gym.

some of my colleagues spend hours in the gym a day but see little to no gains because their diet is poor. Don't bother working out guys unless you're going to eat properly. Don't buy a luxury car if you're not going to fill it with premium gas.

I'm not saying prisoners eat poorly, but they're not eating premium quality foods, yet they get jacked up.

My philosophy: just lift. Lift heavy. Don't just lift weights by carrying it from point A to point B, squeeze and contract the fuck out of your muscles. Get that blood pumping through the muscle. That's how you get them to grow.

Of course you need to eat properly as well.

 

[max-dawg]

I'm not saying prisoners eat poorly, but they're not eating premium quality foods, yet they get jacked up.

My philosophy: just lift. Lift heavy. Don't just lift weights by carrying it from point A to point B, squeeze and contract the fuck out of your muscles. Get that blood pumping through the muscle. That's how you get them to grow.

Of course you need to eat properly as well.

i disagree with this statement. lifting heavy puts unnecessary stress on your joints and tendons and does NOT stimulate more muscle growth.

try doing 16 - 20 sets per body part and doing 12 - 20 reps per set. more importantly, the light(er) weight allows you to use better form = more effective isolation of the muscle you're targeting.

for example, do 6 - 8 reps with the 90 lb ez curl bar. then, use near perfect form with the 50 lb ez curl and do 20 reps for 4 sets. try it... your biceps will be on fire, i promise.

but the big picture = WHY ARE YOU IN THE GYM?

1. are you strength training? 6 to 8 reps, heavy weight, 3 min btw sets... form being completion of the movement-even if you have to use momentum?

2. are you weight lifting? any number of reps, various exercises...very loose form... just pushing weight around with THE ONLY goal = getting big?

3. are you bodybuilding? 12 - 20 reps, moderate-to-light weight, SUPER STRICT FORM where the muscle is isolated and the mind/muscle connection is solid... slow, methodical reps with TOTAL control on the negative movement, i.e., you're NOT using momentum? do you perform total extension, then total contraction with a slight pause on the contraction? flush the blood and tear the muscle.

there's a reason why pro's don't train heavy... it's called, "avoiding injury." train heavy and tearing a muscle or joint = you can't/won't get paid while you recover. plus, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU CAN MAKE LIGHT WEIGHT HEAVY.

i've trained pro bodybuilders, and it was rare to see them using anything over 90 lbs with dumbbells and they did high reps to make the muscles swell; it's all about getting that pump.



dude is a steroid freak, but he's telling the honest truth here.

ignore youtube vids with pros throwing around a bunch of weight; it's all for the camera to feed the egos of fans and to mislead. trust me. but if you don't believe me, listen to them push their protein products at you too... i'm sure they're telling the truth with that shit too.

 

[Mr. Del]

i disagree with this statement. lifting heavy puts unnecessary stress on your joints and tendons and does NOT stimulate more muscle growth.

I didn't say lift beyond your means, but I think it's important to lift heavier than normal.

If you started off curling 20 lbs and still doing 20 lbs 6 months later, your clearly doing it wrong.

You make your muscles grow by lifting consistently, but also challenging yourself every step of the way.

I'm not saying you should lift weight that's impossible, but I doubt you'll see growth just by bullshitting with light weight.

 

[spider705]

Light weight @ high reps does absolutely nothing to stimulate muscle growth

All it does is teach your muscles to contract over and over and over again. There's no need to grow/become stronger because you aren't straining the muscle and forcing it to grow stronger to handle more weight. It's one of the biggest myths in lifting. All that does is improve muscle endurance and doesn't stimulate growth.

If you trying to grow muscle, you need to be around 85-90% of your 1rm with maximum of 6 reps. Only thing is that's best when using a buddy to lift with.

If you work out solo, you should be around 75-80% 1rm in the 8-12 rep range.

I know that'll get some of you guys panties in a bunch because it's not what you've been taught or read or learned over the years, but look it up if you don't believe me. Numerous studies have been done that shit all over that high rep low weight theory.




I'm just here so I don't get fined

 

[spider705]

http://www.fitmole.org/light-weight-high-reps/

(See myth #1)
https://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/38-articles/63-ten-training-myths-exposed.html

http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Myths.html

http://exercise.about.com/od/exerciseworkouts/ss/strengthmyths_2.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/goulet5.htm

I'm just here so I don't get fined

 

[max-dawg]

I didn't say lift beyond your means, but I think it's important to lift heavier than normal.

If you started off curling 20 lbs and still doing 20 lbs 6 months later, your clearly doing it wrong.

You make your muscles grow by lifting consistently, but also challenging yourself every step of the way.

I'm not saying you should lift weight that's impossible, but I doubt you'll see growth just by bullshitting with light weight.

ever hear pros say they do 50 reps per set? how about 100 reps? it happens... trust me. but you won't see them do it or admit to it. there's nothing wrong with training heavy, but doing it for long periods of time = wear and tear.

everybody responds to weight training differently. but pros do a high volume of sets and a high volume of reps, full extension to full contraction.

form is VERY important to isolate and stimulate muscle growth. but again, if you're training for strength, then, go for it. but you can take short rests btw sets (45 sec) to make the weight heavy. you can also go VERY, VERY slow on the negative to make the weight heavy... and you can really extend the contraction time (squeeze) to make the weight heavy.

then, there's supersets, drop sets, etc. to really get the burn going. to a bodybuilder, it's all about blood flow (pump) into the muscle. period. they could give zero fucks about the amount of weight on the bar.



0:47 to 1:54 and pay attention: you're in control thru the full range of motion.

5:25 - 6:07 "the weight on the bar is secondary to how the exercise is being performed."

people like kai greene bc he speaks the truth. watch his videos... full stretch, full contraction... rarely using heavy weight (even for a pro).

or you can listen to branch warren who's got horrible form and always injured.

 

[max-dawg]

Light weight @ high reps does absolutely nothing to stimulate muscle growth

All it does is teach your muscles to contract over and over and over again. There's no need to grow/become stronger because you aren't straining the muscle and forcing it to grow stronger to handle more weight. It's one of the biggest myths in lifting. All that does is improve muscle endurance and doesn't stimulate growth.

If you trying to grow muscle, you need to be around 85-90% of your 1rm with maximum of 6 reps. Only thing is that's best when using a buddy to lift with.

If you work out solo, you should be around 75-80% 1rm in the 8-12 rep range.

I know that'll get some of you guys panties in a bunch because it's not what you've been taught or read or learned over the years, but look it up if you don't believe me. Numerous studies have been done that shit all over that high rep low weight theory.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

high reps do nothing to stimulate muscle growth?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/high-reps-low-reps-which-rep-scheme-is-best.html

the best routine is a combination of high/low reps. find out what you respond to and configure your program. but again, FORM IS PRIMARY, where the amount of weight is secondary.

http://hardgainer.com/how-to-build-muscle-6-more-big-lies-that-kill-bodybuilding-progress/

LIE #9: HIGH REPS PRODUCE DEFINITION, LOW REPS BUILD MUSCLE

"Both high reps and low reps can build muscle.

Both high reps and low reps can yield no muscle growth.

Both high reps and low reps can be incorporated in a program that results in fat loss.

Both high reps and low reps can be incorporated in a program that results in fat gain.

But there’s no rule that high reps definitely produce definition, or that low reps definitely build mass.

It’s not the rep number per se that’s critical, but how those reps are done, and within what overall program.

No matter what rep number is performed, if insufficient effort is delivered on the wrong exercises, or even if sufficient effort is delivered on the right exercises but there’s too much training volume or frequency, or there’s insufficient supply of the components of recuperation, there will never be much if any new muscle growth.

Twenty-rep squats, properly performed and within the right overall program, have a tremendous tradition of producing muscle growth. But so have medium- and low-rep squats.

Although there’s no tradition of 20-rep bench presses, overhead presses, and rows, mass has been built on both low- and medium-rep sets of those exercises."

i see cats at the gym curling 100 lbs and swinging the bar like a pendulum while screaming in the mirror. mofos been the same size for 3 yrs.

clean-up the form, dropping the weight as needed, and leave your ego at the door before you snap something and fuck yourself up.

 

[big pimp]

Get your body right - exercise
Get your mind right - read
Get your soul right - meditate

We have to be strong in body mind and soul before we can improve our condition. Wake yourself up and then start waking others up.

Props!

 

[spider705]

Kind of a straw man argument, max

I never discounted the importance of proper form. Matter of fact I agree with you 110% when talking about the importance of lifting properly with the right form.

Bruh I will stop people mid set and tell them what they're doing wrong and how to clean it up. Then I'll keep it moving. You listen to it or don't. If you don't I'm just on the inside because now you're the fool

All I've said is you see better gains and better muscle growth when you lift heavy/low reps vs high reps/low weight.

When you start lifting weights in the 15-20 rep range you're getting more into muscle endurance and not muscle growth/stimulation.

I agree that it has its place in a balanced workout program. But it does not tone up muscles or burn fat faster than lifting heavy.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

 

[Sampson]

Light weight @ high reps does absolutely nothing to stimulate muscle growth

All it does is teach your muscles to contract over and over and over again. There's no need to grow/become stronger because you aren't straining the muscle and forcing it to grow stronger to handle more weight. It's one of the biggest myths in lifting. All that does is improve muscle endurance and doesn't stimulate growth.

If you trying to grow muscle, you need to be around 85-90% of your 1rm with maximum of 6 reps. Only thing is that's best when using a buddy to lift with.

If you work out solo, you should be around 75-80% 1rm in the 8-12 rep range.

I know that'll get some of you guys panties in a bunch because it's not what you've been taught or read or learned over the years, but look it up if you don't believe me. Numerous studies have been done that shit all over that high rep low weight theory.




I'm just here so I don't get fined

Just from personal experience and other peoples testimonies, I'd have to agree with this.

I try and go up at least 2kg every 1/2 weeks. Otherwise, there's no progression. Once the weight size I'm lifting brcomes easy then I move up a weight. Surely it's logical progression.

 

[Confucius]

Take from the video what you will, pimp. No need to issue empty threats or speaking on limitations.

And trust me I'll NEVER set foot in that ratchet stankin' ass fitness connection in Gunspoint again....That place smells like air conditioned piss and corn chips.... I feel dirty leaving there and that's with showering after my workout....so don't hold your breath waiting on that apology bruh...

This video only illustrates what I was told by a doctor when I hurt my shoulder while working out. You always want to stay within natural motions and body movements when lifting. That goes double if you're lifting heavy. That's all I'm saying. Deviations from that leads to unnecessary wear and tear on your body.

I'm just here so I don't get fined

you are correct

 

[big pimp]

Bump.