Women Are Overtaking Men in the U.S.

[owl]

Source Here

(Nov. 5) -- The United States may have officially entered the age of woman.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, this fall, for the first time in U.S. history, women have surpassed men and now make up more than 50 percent of the nation's workforce. In 1967, by comparison, they accounted for just one-third of all workers.

Signs of the changing landscape in gender relations are just about everywhere you look:

• Double the number of single women are now purchasing homes in America than there are single men.
• Four out of every 10 women are are now their family's primary breadwinner, a sharp increase from past decades.
• The New Hampshire State Legislature is now made up of a majority of women, a first for a legislative body in the U.S., and the number of women in government continues to edge up nationwide.
• Women now account for 30 percent of math Ph.D.s, up from just 5 percent in the 1960s.
• On average, women read nine books every year. Men only read four, and women account for 80 percent of the U.S. fiction market.
• The World Bank recently estimated that the global earning power of women will reach an estimated $18 trillion by the year 2014, up $5 trillion today.

"Women really have become the dominant gender," said Guy Garcia, author of "The Decline of Men." "What concerns me is that guys are rapidly falling behind. Women are becoming better educated than men, earning more than men, and, generally speaking, not needing men at all. Meanwhile, as a group, men are losing their way."

That seems especially true during tough economic times. While the economy has shed millions of jobs during the recession of 2008 and 2009, men have been three times more likely to lose theirs than women, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Dr. Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, said that in the case of the recession, there really haven't been any winners in the labor force.

"As the economy improves, many of the blue-collar jobs that men hold are likely to return," Shierholz said. "But the longer-term picture is that we're seeing women continue to make relative gains in the workplace. That's not surprising when women are getting good educations and earning solid degrees."

 

[sean69]

Source Here

(Nov. 5) -- The United States may have officially entered the age of woman.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, this fall, for the first time in U.S. history, women have surpassed men and now make up more than 50 percent of the nation's workforce. In 1967, by comparison, they accounted for just one-third of all workers.

Signs of the changing landscape in gender relations are just about everywhere you look:

• Double the number of single women are now purchasing homes in America than there are single men.

Understandable. Young professional guys prefer the rental bachelor pad or condo. Until the misses appears on the scene. Professional women on the other hand cop a house from jump, IMO, as an affirmation of their independence.

Also, is the data confounded by divorced (now single) women? Just curious.


• Four out of every 10 women are are now their family's primary breadwinner, a sharp increase from past decades.

What demographic?

• The New Hampshire State Legislature is now made up of a majority of women, a first for a legislative body in the U.S., and the number of women in government continues to edge up nationwide.

Interesting ...

• Women now account for 30 percent of math Ph.D.s, up from just 5 percent in the 1960s.

Wonder what percentage are Asian and Eastern European ...

• On average, women read nine books every year. Men only read four, and women account for 80 percent of the U.S. fiction market.

How the hell do you even collect this type of data with any statistical confidence? And what type of "books"?

• The World Bank recently estimated that the global earning power of women will reach an estimated $18 trillion by the year 2014, up $5 trillion today.

Sweet!

"Women really have become the dominant gender," said Guy Garcia, author of "The Decline of Men." "What concerns me is that guys are rapidly falling behind. Women are becoming better educated than men, earning more than men, and, generally speaking, not needing men at all. Meanwhile, as a group, men are losing their way."

That seems especially true during tough economic times. While the economy has shed millions of jobs during the recession of 2008 and 2009, men have been three times more likely to lose theirs than women, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Dr. Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, said that in the case of the recession, there really haven't been any winners in the labor force.

"As the economy improves, many of the blue-collar jobs that men hold are likely to return," Shierholz said. "But the longer-term picture is that we're seeing women continue to make relative gains in the workplace. That's not surprising when women are getting good educations and earning solid degrees."

Hmmm.... I'm skeptical about the motives.

 

[owl]

Hmmm.... I'm skeptical about the motives.

The only poster that consistently asks the right questions...that why I phlucks with you, moe....

I'm on the research, give me a minute.

 

[melonpecan]

Considering I don't trust statistics like these, (Only trust the one's you calculate yourself), this reads like a breeding for a super female army that will take over the world at the beck and call of the US military.


But that is just my opinion...don't mind me.

 

[owl]

Considering I don't trust statistics like these, (Only trust the one's you calculate yourself), this reads like a breeding for a super female army that will take over the world at the beck and call of the US military.


But that is just my opinion...don't mind me.

Opinions are hypothesizes. Hypothesizes that become informed breed theories. Theories that mature and stand the test of time, become factual. Doubt is sexy at times, but I will mind your thoughts...even mine them...*winks*

 

[melonpecan]

Opinions are hypothesizes. Hypothesizes that become informed breed theories. Theories that mature and stand the test of time, become factual. Doubt is sexy at times, but I will mind your thoughts...even mine them...*winks*

lol.

That's cute.


*stolen

 

[sean69]

The only poster that consistently asks the right questions...that why I phlucks with you, moe....

I'm on the research, give me a minute.

*lurk alias edit*

Yeah man.
Most people like to believe and c/s information that makes them feel good. It's raw primal animal nature.
I tend to question everything with a measured degree of skepticism especially shit that comes from "government" agencies.

The report conjures up fishy motives and overtones of the 1965 Moynihan Report (which is interestingly pertinent to another thread on this board)

 

[owl]

*lurk alias edit*

Yeah man.
Most people like to believe and c/s information that makes them feel good. It's raw primal animal nature.
I tend to question everything with a measured degree of skepticism especially shit that comes from "government" agencies.

The report conjures up fishy motives and overtones of the 1965 Moynihan Report (which is interestingly pertinent to another thread on this board)

LOL...you good...I doubt anyone...well, you know.

How did you...eh, better unsaid, better unknown...

 

[sean69]

LOL...you good...I doubt anyone...well, you know.

How did you...eh, better unsaid, better unknown...

LOL.

You familiar with the Moynihan Report?

 

[owl]

LOL.

You familiar with the Moynihan Report?

I am.

That's why I am making sure to get some collaborative stats before I state my personal thoughts...even if it true, I question if this agenda is a totally bad thing for blacks...we've been humans a lot longer than any other group of people. We have been lead by many great women. Eh, just a thought...

 

[melonpecan]

LOL.

You familiar with the Moynihan Report?

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/webid-meynihan.htm

The fundamental problem, in which this is most clearly the case, is that of family structure. The evidence — not final, but powerfully persuasive — is that the Negro family in the urban ghettos is crumbling. A middle class group has managed to save itself, but for vast numbers of the unskilled, poorly educated city working class the fabric of conventional social relationships has all but disintegrated. There are indications that the situation may have been arrested in the past few years, but the general post war trend is unmistakable. So long as this situation persists, the cycle of poverty and disadvantage will continue to repeat itself.

I might be able to use this for my research. Conversation, please continue...

I am.

That's why I am making sure to get some collaborative stats before I state my personal thoughts...even if it true, I question if this agenda is a totally bad thing for blacks...we've been humans a lot longer than any other group of people. We have been lead by many great women. Eh, just a thought...

Which one are you referring to, Moynihan or the one about the women? Women are capable of running things, (more than so), but I don't think there should be a government of Amazon status...

 

[owl]

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/webid-meynihan.htm


I might be able to use this for my research. Conversation, please continue...



Which one are you referring to, Moynihan or the one about the women? Women are capable of running things, (more than so), but I don't think there should be a government of Amazon status...

Eh...

You underestimate yourself then.

Regardless of the agenda or misdirection, American Black women have been pretty successful navigating white power structures, and for the obvious reasons. I'm not suggesting Hatshepsut, but it could crack some doors open. Enough to allow the smokescreen to come in.

 

[sean69]

http://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/history/webid-meynihan.htm


I might be able to use this for my research. Conversation, please continue...

Mel, when I graduated high school my mom gave me a book to read titled: Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman by Michele Wallace.

She was only 27 years old when she wrote this book back in 1978 and her thesis/argument is stillvery cogent.

I recommend this book, especially to moms with young boys who should have them read this book at some point.

Pertaining to Owl's post, the Moynihan Report and your excerpt from the latter, I'll share on my views after I crystallize them to a non-Collin Powell form.

 

[Blunt]

What's so controversial about this??? It's been known for years that women who aren't burdened raising kids by absentee fathers are dominant forces in college and the workforce.

 

[sean69]

What's so controversial about this??? It's been known for years that women who aren't burdened raising kids by absentee fathers are dominant forces in college and the workforce.

 

[owl]

Mel, when I graduated high school my mom gave me a book to read titled: Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman by Michele Wallace.

She was only 27 years old when she wrote this book back in 1978 and her thesis/argument is stillvery cogent.

I recommend this book, especially to moms with young boys who should have them read this book at some point.

Pertaining to Owl's post, the Moynihan Report and your excerpt from the latter, I'll share on my views after I crystallize them to a non-Collin Powell form.

Let's get the Colin Powell format, we'll work it out the condensed version dialectically...

 

[sean69]

Let's get the Colin Powell format, we'll work it out the condensed version dialectically...

ight.

 

[charlie dark]

What's so controversial about this??? It's been known for years that women who aren't burdened raising kids by absentee fathers are dominant forces in college and the workforce.

Does it need to be controversial to get posted?
Can it not be just interesting?

 

[sean69]

Does it need to be controversial to get posted?
Can it not be just interesting?

Dude's attention whoring only pales in comparison to his stupidity.

Absentee fathers?

Suggesting that the statistics is exclusively biased towards single women with no kids?

A classic example of how slightly retarded nematodes process and interpret information.

What an idiot.

LOL @ "it's been known for years".

 

[sean69]

Let's get the Colin Powell format, we'll work it out the condensed version dialectically...

The Moynihan Report (1965)
The Negro Family: The Case For National Action
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=primary/moynihan-report-1965



The central thesis of this report is the "dysfunction" and "break-down" of the "Negro family" and it's root causes - the debilitating effects of slavery. Moynihan embellishes on this in chapter 3 in a shamelessly patronizing apologist manner.
In chapter 4 he talks about "The Tangle of Pathology" where he blames the matriarchal structure of the "negro family" as the nexus of it's pathological deterioration:

"... the Negro community has been forced into a matriarchal structure which, because it is to out of line with the rest of the American society, seriously retards the progress of the group as a whole, and imposes a crushing burden on the Negro male and, in consequence, on a great many Negro women as well."

And argues that this is a clearly a disadvantage:

" ... for a minority group to be operating on one principle, while the great majority of the population, and the one with the most advantages to begin with, is operating on another. This is the present situation of the Negro. Ours is a society which presumes male leadership in private and public affairs. The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it. A subculture, such as that of the Negro American, in which this is not the pattern, is placed at a distinct disadvantage."

He goes on to cite how other issues like negro kids with no fathers, delinquency and crime, and drugs have also contributed.

The report culminates in chapter 5, "The Case for National Action";

"The policy of the United States is to bring the Negro American to full and equal sharing in the responsibilities and rewards of citizenship. To this end, the programs of the Federal government bearing on this objective shall be designed to have the effect, directly or indirectly, of enhancing the stability and resources of the Negro American family."


This report was written in 1965. Forty five years later not much has changed. The debate about the state of the state of black American family continues. And a common theme I've noticed in such debates regarding the state of black affairs is and polarizing nature of the arguments which only but conjure up thoughts of a very effective "divide and conquer" strategy vindicated by history. Hence my skepticism about the agenda of some "government reports".


Moynihan Report is full of biased and inaccurate arguments colored with ambiguous wordage such as: "The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it.". "Arrangements".


Reports like this have only helped to solidify the false stereotypes surrounding the black family. The the black "super woman", the "dead-beat" or "absentee" black father.


The image of the black family as a product of white paternalism (social welfare programs) is often cleverly disguised as philanthropy when in actuality it's a means of maintaining both dependent and subordinate state. don't think there's much of an argument that the welfare system has had it's fair share in the weakening of the black family structure. Let's not forget that there was a time when a prerequisite for welfare eligibility was that a woman had to couldn't have a husband or a boy friend.


Now naturally, inherent human laziness and stupidity are confounding factors that I'm not ignoring. But stereotypes and there ancillary emotional knee-jerk arguments are very effective at morphing the discussion of institutional racism to that of classism, the later being a more comfortable and wholesome topic to address.


While the Moynihan Report delineates the organic roots of destruction of the black African family structure - slavery - it conveniently ignores the far-reaching influences of institutionalized racial discrimination (external) in addition to the psychological conditioning (internal) that sustain an "allosteric" type feed-back (vicious) cycle of poverty and dysfunction.

Individuals that take this for granted and offer various versions of the "pick yourself up by your boot straps" argument typically tend to be so far removed empathetically and detached mentally and/or physically from the realities of this institution where, in the words of Bill Clinton: "...there's a broken connection between effort and reward and that leads to a sense of hopelessness".

I'm not a political scientist, sociologist or anthropologist. This is not rocket science.

 

[owl]

The Moynihan Report (1965)
The Negro Family: The Case For National Action
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=primary/moynihan-report-1965



The central thesis of this report is the "dysfunction" and "break-down" of the "Negro family" and it's root causes - the debilitating effects of slavery. Moynihan embellishes on this in chapter 3 in a shamelessly patronizing apologist manner.
In chapter 4 he talks about "The Tangle of Pathology" where he blames the matriarchal structure of the "negro family" as the nexus of it's pathological deterioration:

"... the Negro community has been forced into a matriarchal structure which, because it is to out of line with the rest of the American society, seriously retards the progress of the group as a whole, and imposes a crushing burden on the Negro male and, in consequence, on a great many Negro women as well."

And argues that this is a clearly a disadvantage:

" ... for a minority group to be operating on one principle, while the great majority of the population, and the one with the most advantages to begin with, is operating on another. This is the present situation of the Negro. Ours is a society which presumes male leadership in private and public affairs. The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it. A subculture, such as that of the Negro American, in which this is not the pattern, is placed at a distinct disadvantage."

He goes on to cite how other issues like negro kids with no fathers, delinquency and crime, and drugs have also contributed.

The report culminates in chapter 5, "The Case for National Action";

"The policy of the United States is to bring the Negro American to full and equal sharing in the responsibilities and rewards of citizenship. To this end, the programs of the Federal government bearing on this objective shall be designed to have the effect, directly or indirectly, of enhancing the stability and resources of the Negro American family."


This report was written in 1965. Forty five years later not much has changed. The debate about the state of the state of black American family continues. And a common theme I've noticed in such debates regarding the state of black affairs is and polarizing nature of the arguments which only but conjure up thoughts of a very effective "divide and conquer" strategy vindicated by history. Hence my skepticism about the agenda of some "government reports".


Moynihan Report is full of biased and inaccurate arguments colored with ambiguous wordage such as: "The arrangements of society facilitate such leadership and reward it.". "Arrangements".


Reports like this have only helped to solidify the false stereotypes surrounding the black family. The the black "super woman", the "dead-beat" or "absentee" black father.


The image of the black family as a product of white paternalism (social welfare programs) is often cleverly disguised as philanthropy when in actuality it's a means of maintaining both dependent and subordinate state. don't think there's much of an argument that the welfare system has had it's fair share in the weakening of the black family structure. Let's not forget that there was a time when a prerequisite for welfare eligibility was that a woman had to couldn't have a husband or a boy friend.


Now naturally, inherent human laziness and stupidity are confounding factors that I'm not ignoring. But stereotypes and there ancillary emotional knee-jerk arguments are very effective at morphing the discussion of institutional racism to that of classism, the later being a more comfortable and wholesome topic to address.


While the Moynihan Report delineates the organic roots of destruction of the black African family structure - slavery - it conveniently ignores the far-reaching influences of institutionalized racial discrimination (external) in addition to the psychological conditioning (internal) that sustain an "allosteric" type feed-back (vicious) cycle of poverty and dysfunction.

Individuals that take this for granted and offer various versions of the "pick yourself up by your boot straps" argument typically tend to be so far removed empathetically and detached mentally and/or physically from the realities of this institution where, in the words of Bill Clinton: "...there's a broken connection between effort and reward and that leads to a sense of hopelessness".

I'm not a political scientist, sociologist or anthropologist. This is not rocket science.

The American black is offset by classism. If you argue against welfare, then you remove a very necessary quality from many of us in the underclass. IF you don't, you subject us to a practice that conditions us to be needy.

If you argue that the man should be head of the household, you have to accept the historical fact that every culture and ethnicity in America achieved its position through criminal means. If we say that the women should be allowed to continue her position, you are immediately ridiculed on the international scene by a world conditioned to accept patriarchal systems.

I totally agree with your assessment, however. Any, regardless of whatever intents, characterization of the black community by the white one has to be weighed upon the scale of history and political advantage. I would like to take the discussion of matriarchy or even just matrilineage into account for the question of black power and survival. Sometimes the best strategy is the appearance of no strategy...

 

[sean69]

The American black is offset by classism. If you argue against welfare, then you remove a very necessary quality from many of us in the underclass. IF you don't, you subject us to a practice that conditions us to be needy.

And what necessary quality is that?

If you argue that the man should be head of the household, you have to accept the historical fact that every culture and ethnicity in America achieved its position through criminal means.

Why? I don't get this argument. Please explain.

If we say that the women should be allowed to continue her position, you are immediately ridiculed on the international scene by a world conditioned to accept patriarchal systems.

I totally agree with your assessment, however. Any, regardless of whatever intents, characterization of the black community by the white one has to be weighed upon the scale of history and political advantage. I would like to take the discussion of matriarchy or even just matrilineage into account for the question of black power and survival. Sometimes the best strategy is the appearance of no strategy...

There are rather compelling arguments for the organic roots of African society being largely inherently matrilineal in orientation.

The Organic Roots of the African Matrilineal Society
By Vusi Moloi

African societies have been inherently matrilineal in orientation since the beginning of time. The queens and powerful figures in their own right like Queen Nerfetiti of Egypt, Queen Makeda of Ethiopia, Queen Candace Amanirena of Nubia, the Rain Queen Modjaji and Queen Manthatisi of South Africa, Queen Mbande Nzinga of Angola, Ashanti Queen Yaa Asantewaa of Ghana, Queen Amina of Nigeria, Jamaican Ashanti Queen Nanny of the Maroons, Mbua Nehanda of Zimbabwe, or Mmangwane Mmaketsa of Matamong corroborate this enduring social system that has defied the most impossible odds. This socio-cultural construct changed only with the introduction of Islam, Christianity, and the colonial conquest which imposed patriarchal rule.

http://africaunbound.com/index.phpoption=com_content&task=view&id=98

 

[owl]

And what necessary quality is that?





Why? I don't get this argument. Please explain.




There are rather compelling arguments for the organic roots of African society being largely inherently matrilineal in orientation.

The Organic Roots of the African Matrilineal Society
By Vusi Moloi

African societies have been inherently matrilineal in orientation since the beginning of time. The queens and powerful figures in their own right like Queen Nerfetiti of Egypt, Queen Makeda of Ethiopia, Queen Candace Amanirena of Nubia, the Rain Queen Modjaji and Queen Manthatisi of South Africa, Queen Mbande Nzinga of Angola, Ashanti Queen Yaa Asantewaa of Ghana, Queen Amina of Nigeria, Jamaican Ashanti Queen Nanny of the Maroons, Mbua Nehanda of Zimbabwe, or Mmangwane Mmaketsa of Matamong corroborate this enduring social system that has defied the most impossible odds. This socio-cultural construct changed only with the introduction of Islam, Christianity, and the colonial conquest which imposed patriarchal rule.

http://africaunbound.com/index.phpoption=com_content&task=view&id=98

I would say government assistance is something like a safety net. EBT cards, I believe that is the national reference, "food stamps", got a lot of families through hard times. I know a lot of women who even enrolled in school just to get pell grants or whatever award. "Necessary" might be too strong of a word...let me say that there is a benefit there. Yet, just like what is happening with some of these U.S. banks(not the entity U.S. Banks, but United States' banks in general), dependency has a tendency to be cyclic if the dependent isn't taught and conditioned to be independent. Which I don't knock.

What I see in the Niaja community, the Mexican American community, the Arab community(which is surprising), the Bosnian community, and truth be told, the white community, to a degree, is a dependence by the younger generations on the older generation, sometimes well into the thirty's. Extended family may not even exist as defined by most social scientists in these types of homes. Black people went straight from slavery, a certain type of immigration/colonization, to attempting to form nuclear families, with no understanding of what family meant other than their examples on the white plantation.

When you attempt to place Black men(the descendants of American slaves, to be exact here) in the same financial run with every other culture, you can be blind to certain realities. What is not talked about is the jew's who pimped their own women, the irish workers killing blacks and burning down their communities, the benefit of prohibition to the italians, and many other communities. Blacks were outside of that for quite sometime, and like W.E.B. Dubios recorded in "The Souls of Blacks Folks" over a century ago, the whites of Georgia had a plan to criminalize blacks then, whether they were criminal or not, and imprison them, placing them on chain gangs. Like Scarface, the poet, wrote, "We were always considered evil." It has been recorded that the institution of police officers in this country, had their origins in the slave patrol, the patrollers, or p'd' rollers. To this day, the van used transport multiple arrested persons is referred to as the "paddy wagon". Theft, murder for self-defense, robbery, the selling of illegal substances, the use of those same substances are all part of war. War crimes usually involve acts like rape, or torture. That is the balance that we men in this particular world are apart of.

Money and land, as Malcolm X expressed, is acquired through war, I would state the war like tactics and strategies mentioned in the last paragraph. The argument that Black men aren't the "breadwinners" and that they should be in a patriarchial society, tends to forget these factors. Black men haven't been able to wage successful battles to secure anything. Athleticism and entertainment don't secure land. The pride of the United States citizen would not exist without military might. The pride of the white human would not exist without the accomplishments of western civilization in the endeavors of conquest. The very currency that we trade depends on the power of physical might to uphold its value.

It is very telling that the one group in America that is most reported as being matriarchal, is also the same group whose members have the most difficulty claiming a national origin other than the United States. Black men need their own. They need a major accomplishment. A collective accomplishment that establishes something tangible. Then we won't have to worry about self-respect, or the respect of our women, or whatever...if we choose to run our nation like those of other cultures. We are the most new people, so we might even try something old in a new way...

 

[sean69]

I would say government assistance is something like a safety net. EBT cards, I believe that is the national reference, "food stamps", got a lot of families through hard times. I know a lot of women who even enrolled in school just to get pell grants or whatever award. "Necessary" might be too strong of a word...let me say that there is a benefit there. Yet, just like what is happening with some of these U.S. banks(not the entity U.S. Banks, but United States' banks in general), dependency has a tendency to be cyclic if the dependent isn't taught and conditioned to be independent. Which I don't knock.

And THIS is the crux of my argument. I was watching a video where they had a panel engaging in a conversation back in 1992 about "The issue of race". This panel, IMO, represented a perfect microcosmic model of the different perspectives when it comes to arguments about race and race relations in the US.

You had all the classic participants in this debate:

- The "well intentioned" white male apologists who's arguments are inevitably synthesized through an embedded "white guilt" that's inextricably woven into the proverbial "white man's burden"
- The white male bureaucrat/academic former who's arguments on the issue ooze of a naive ignorance furnished by inherent inescapable "white male privilege"
- The black female liberal artist who's arguments appear to be a blend of romanticism and
- The annoyingly loud black female bureaucrat with chaotic romantic notions of citizenship and reparations.
-The black activist popularized as "angry" and "militant".
- Cornell West ... and Alan fucking Keyes.

Watch the entire series if you can, but here's a clip (part 4) where Sista Solja says it all.



Also, check out her reaction to Alan Keyes and 4:56

What I see in the Niaja community, the Mexican American community, the Arab community(which is surprising), the Bosnian community, and truth be told, the white community, to a degree, is a dependence by the younger generations on the older generation, sometimes well into the thirty's. Extended family may not even exist as defined by most social scientists in these types of homes. Black people went straight from slavery, a certain type of immigration/colonization, to attempting to form nuclear families, with no understanding of what family meant other than their examples on the white plantation.

Depends on what kind of dependence you're talking about here. I know in Naija communities independence starts mad early. Perhaps not to the same degree as in the past, most times in traditional large families, which was very typical in the old days, you have the oldest (or older siblings or even relatives) supporting the younger ones as they come up.

This is very consistent with the extended family structure and dynamic in tribal Africa where THE most important aspect of life and survival is the family. The African family structure consists of the entire community in contrast to the European structure of nuclear family. It's not that there's no concept of nuclear family in African societies, it's just that the extended community family is the prevailing paradigm.

When you attempt to place Black men(the descendants of American slaves, to be exact here) in the same financial run with every other culture, you can be blind to certain realities. What is not talked about is the jew's who pimped their own women, the irish workers killing blacks and burning down their communities, the benefit of prohibition to the italians, and many other communities. Blacks were outside of that for quite sometime, and like W.E.B. Dubios recorded in "The Souls of Blacks Folks" over a century ago, the whites of Georgia had a plan to criminalize blacks then, whether they were criminal or not, and imprison them, placing them on chain gangs. Like Scarface, the poet, wrote, "We were always considered evil." It has been recorded that the institution of police officers in this country, had their origins in the slave patrol, the patrollers, or p'd' rollers. To this day, the van used transport multiple arrested persons is referred to as the "paddy wagon". Theft, murder for self-defense, robbery, the selling of illegal substances, the use of those same substances are all part of war. War crimes usually involve acts like rape, or torture. That is the balance that we men in this particular world are apart of.

Money and land, as Malcolm X expressed, is acquired through war, I would state the war like tactics and strategies mentioned in the last paragraph. The argument that Black men aren't the "breadwinners" and that they should be in a patriarchial society, tends to forget these factors. Black men haven't been able to wage successful battles to secure anything. Athleticism and entertainment don't secure land. The pride of the United States citizen would not exist without military might. The pride of the white human would not exist without the accomplishments of western civilization in the endeavors of conquest. The very currency that we trade depends on the power of physical might to uphold its value.

It is very telling that the one group in America that is most reported as being matriarchal, is also the same group whose members have the most difficulty claiming a national origin other than the United States. Black men need their own. They need a major accomplishment. A collective accomplishment that establishes something tangible. Then we won't have to worry about self-respect, or the respect of our women, or whatever...if we choose to run our nation like those of other cultures. We are the most new people, so we might even try something old in a new way...

Ah, I got it where you're coming from now. Very good argument Owl and you're correct in your assessment of the disparity between the black community and others immigrants when it came to gaming the system - albeit a system which they created. This is pretty obvious given an understanding of the position of blacks in the white supremacist society.

The most destructive and self-perpetuating impediment to the progress of black African "Americans" (and frankly all Africans in the diaspora) is the identity crisis.

Until that's honestly and aggressively addressed (again ... as it was in the past) everything else is just a fruitless exercise at tackling proximal issues.

 

[owl]

Geezus Khrist, I hope Souljah knows what she is doing with these books she is writing, my gawd, that sister was a war head....

Expound, if you will, Shawn, for us on the African tribal family...

Don't go out of your way, I'd like to read what you have on deck already...

 

[sean69]

Geezus Khrist, I hope Souljah knows what she is doing with these books she is writing, my gawd, that sister was a war head....

Expound, if you will, Shawn, for us on the African tribal family...

Don't go out of your way, I'd like to read what you have on deck already...

I used that as a very general term as Africa obviously isn't one big monolithic society.

Owl, there's nothing to expound on man. LOL. It is what it is.

 

[(0_0)..l.. finger]

cool...

 

[owl]

I used that as a very general term as Africa obviously isn't one big monolithic society.

Owl, there's nothing to expound on man. LOL. It is what it is.

Yeah, as far as Africa not being a monolithic society, I'd have a hard time convincing anyone against that...