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Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
Post-Invasion Cache Could Have Been For Use in Weapons

By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, August 14, 2005; Page A18

BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.

Monday's early morning raid found 11 precursor agents, "some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lt. Col. Steven A. Boylan, said in Baghdad.

Materials found in a warehouse in Mosul could yield an agent capable of "lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, according to a U.S. military spokesman. He said the lab was relatively new, dating from some time after the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Combined, the chemicals would yield an agent capable of "lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, Boylan said. The likely targets would have been "coalition and Iraqi security forces, and Iraqi civilians," partly because the chemicals would be difficult to keep from spreading over a wide area, he said.

Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. The Bush administration cited evidence that Saddam Hussein's government was manufacturing weapons of mass destruction as the main justification for the invasion. No such weapons or factories were found.

Military officials did not immediately identify either the precursors or the agent they could have produced. "We don't want to speculate on any possibilities until our analysis is complete," Col. Henry Franke, a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer, was quoted as saying in a military statement.

Investigators still were trying to determine who had assembled the alleged lab and whether the expertise came from foreign insurgents or former members of Hussein's security apparatus, the military said.

"They're looking into it," Boylan said. "They've got to go through it -- there's a lot of stuff there." He added that there was no indication that U.S. forces would be ordered to carry chemical warfare gear, such as gas masks and chemical suits, as they did during the invasion and the months immediately afterward.

U.S. military photos of the alleged lab showed a bare concrete-walled room scattered with stacks of plastic containers, coiled tubing, hoses and a stand holding a large metal device that looked like a distillery. Black rubber boots lay among the gear.

The suspected chemical weapons lab was the biggest found so far in Iraq, Boylan said. A lab discovered last year in the insurgent stronghold of Fallujah contained a how-to book on chemical weapons and an unspecified amount of chemicals.

Chemical weapons are divided into the categories of "persistent" agents, which wreak damage for hours, such as blistering agents or the oily VX nerve agent, and "nonpersistent" ones, which dissipate quickly, such as chlorine gas or sarin nerve gas.

Iraqi forces under Hussein used chemical agents both on enemy forces in the 1980s war with Iran and on Iraqi Kurdish villagers in 1988. Traces of a variety of killing agents -- mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX -- were detected by investigators after the 1988 attack.

No chemical weapons are known to have been used so far in Iraq's insurgency. Al Qaeda announced after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States that it was looking into acquiring biological, radiological and chemical weapons. The next year, CNN obtained and aired al Qaeda videotapes showing the killings of three dogs with what were believed to be nerve agents.


© 2005 The Washington Post Company
 

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Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
I read this story yesterday. Two things:

(1) The lab seems to be a post-invasion development -- not to be mistaken with the pre-invasion hype/rationale for invading Iraq; and

(2) We need a break so that we can get the hell out of Iraq before something really terrible happens.

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not buying this bill of goods...

precursor chemicals could be precursors to any damn thing...

speculating that the chemicals MAY HAVE been used to POSSIBLY create a agent that MAY OR MAY NOT have been a WMD for use against americans doesn't hold any weight...

hell, these same precursors might also have been used to manufacture non-WMD products or chemical agents to be used against iran...

finally, pre (or is it post) invasion sites characterized as 'labs' could actually be storage facilities... if they did serve some nefarious purpose, how to prove now in 2005 who set up the site?
 

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SHADOWHUNTA said:
I Wouldnt Be Surprised If The U.s. Has Planted Them There.

I don't buy that, the whole US planting shit is old, if we were going to plant WMD in Iraq we would have done it after we invaded in 2003, not wait 2 years after the fact.
 

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I don't buy that, the whole US planting shit is old, if we were going to plant WMD in Iraq we would have done it after we invaded in 2003, not wait 2 years after the fact.
I doubt the stuff was planted. The window of opportunity for a plant of that sort has passed. I doubt anybody would care at this point. The thing they should be concerned about is the idea that this stuff materialized sometime AFTER the invasion. That could mean that the means for production is still there OR somebody is importing materials into the country, either way, that's a dangerous scenario. You gotta remember that some of this shit can be released fairly inconspicuously and you could have a lot of soldiers coming home and getting sick due to being exposed to this shit in small, but constant doses. There are just too damn many unknowns over there which is even more reason why they need a definite exit plan ASAP (remember, Vietnam didn't turn into a bloodbath until the 5th years of engagement).
 

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Hey, am i lost? Yeah I have not posted for awhile but isnt it understood that......................

The invasion WAS based on lies and the OCCUPATION is built on that shit pile

I dont want to hear about some godam can of raid, a timer, and some TNT.

I mean such a greeeeeaaaaat threat would have produced OR AT LEAST USED the weapons along time ago instead of being in this shit.

I mean if sodam knew he would rot in a prison waiting 4 some bullshit trial I'm sure he would have used his shit.

Fuck these reports, a tissue with flu snot on it can be a chemical weapon to this administration to justify their behavior. On the other hand were thye meant to DETER invasion or INVADE?

I'm not anti america, I am anti bullshit. Dont even get chemical weapons and iraq started cause that can be fuel for more rhetoric. Lets keep it real, if this were broadcast on FOX they would have you think IRAQ was getting ready to fuck up the troops over there and boy scouts in montana.

Out of respect for people dying I do not think we should even give any of these "little finds" any credit, cause this country sure as hell doesnt address all the other lies that lead to us being there to date.

God help us, we find a can of hairspray and a lighter over there and it might be considered chemical weapons and anybody who disagrees with the "threat" doesnt support the troops!!!!!!!

One word for anybody, dems, republicans, liberals, conservatives opposed to this bullshit is BALLS!!!!

Sorry 4 the rant, but I am sick of these "finds".
 

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gene cisco said:
Hey, am i lost? Yeah I have not posted for awhile but isnt it understood that......................

The invasion WAS based on lies and the OCCUPATION is built on that shit pile

I dont want to hear about some godam can of raid, a timer, and some TNT.

I mean such a greeeeeaaaaat threat would have produced OR AT LEAST USED the weapons along time ago instead of being in this shit.

I mean if sodam knew he would rot in a prison waiting 4 some bullshit trial I'm sure he would have used his shit.

Fuck these reports, a tissue with flu snot on it can be a chemical weapon to this administration to justify their behavior. On the other hand were thye meant to DETER invasion or INVADE?

I'm not anti america, I am anti bullshit. Dont even get chemical weapons and iraq started cause that can be fuel for more rhetoric. Lets keep it real, if this were broadcast on FOX they would have you think IRAQ was getting ready to fuck up the troops over there and boy scouts in montana.

Out of respect for people dying I do not think we should even give any of these "little finds" any credit, cause this country sure as hell doesnt address all the other lies that lead to us being there to date.

God help us, we find a can of hairspray and a lighter over there and it might be considered chemical weapons and anybody who disagrees with the "threat" doesnt support the troops!!!!!!!

One word for anybody, dems, republicans, liberals, conservatives opposed to this bullshit is BALLS!!!!

Sorry 4 the rant, but I am sick of these "finds".

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<font size="4">Boylan said the suspected <u>lab</u> was <u>new</u>, <u>dating from</u> some time <u>after the</u> U.S.-led <u>invasion</u> of Iraq in 2003.</font size>

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Flash Back:</font size><font size="4"> to April 2004, when Jordan announced it had discovered chemical and other weapons that would have killed, by some estimates 20,000 and others 80,000 people by a chemical cloud.

The story was the subject of a lot of discussion on the "Old Board". Here's an article from the BBC's archives from April 17, 2004:</font size>

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[frame]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3635381.stm[/frame]
 

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<font size="5"><center>Jordan Airs Confessions of Suspected Terrorists </font size></center>

FOX News
Tuesday, April 27, 2004

AMMAN, Jordan — State television aired a videotape of four men admitting they were part of an Al Qaeda (search) plot to attack the U.S. Embassy and other targets in Jordan using a combination of conventional and chemical weapons (search).

A commentator on the tape aired Monday said the suspects had prepared enough explosives to kill 80,000 people.

One of the alleged conspirators, Azmi Al-Jayousi, said that he was acting on the orders of Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi (search), a Jordanian wanted by the United States for allegedly organizing terrorists to fight U.S. troops in Iraq on behalf of Al Qaeda. U.S. officials have offered a $10 million reward for his capture.

Jordan disclosed the plot earlier this month and said it had arrested several suspects. Four other terror suspects believed linked to the conspiracy died in a shootout with police in Amman last week.

Al-Jayousi, identified as the head of a Jordanian terror cell, said he first met al-Zarqawi in Afghanistan, where al-Jayousi said he studied explosives, "before Afghanistan fell."

He said he later met al-Zarqawi in neighboring Iraq to plan the attacks, but was not specific about when.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118203,00.html
 

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FAST FORWARD - October 30, 2005:</font size>

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<font size="6"><center>Experts Scoff at Terror WMD Threat</font size></center>

Associated Press
Oct 29, 11:51 PM (ET)
By CHARLES J. HANLEY

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) - After the warehouse raid in northern Jordan, the word from authorities horrified the people of Amman. Terrorists linked to al-Qaida had assembled a fearsome array of chemicals and planned a bombing that would send a 2-mile-wide "poison cloud" over this Middle East capital, killing as many as 80,000 people, military prosecutors said.

Osama bin Laden's foot soldiers had finally concocted a weapon of mass destruction.

A year later, in the hard light of scientific scrutiny, that sinister scenario looks more fictional than factual.

"Eighty thousand! That would have been like Hiroshima. And that was an atomic bomb," says Samih Khreis, one of the alleged plotters' lawyers.

The defense attorneys aren't alone in scoffing at the "WMD" claim. International experts checking the suspects' supposed list of chemicals - from the industrial compound ammonium to the explosive nitroglycerin - say either the defendants or the Jordanian authorities, or both, had little inkling about the makings of a chemical weapon.

The compounds "may generate some toxic byproducts, but they're unlikely to result in significant deaths by poisoning," said Ron G. Manley of Britain, a former senior U.N. adviser on chemical weapons.

The poison cloud of Amman is one more dubious episode in the story of the terrorist quest for doomsday arms, a dark vision that has become an axiom of today's counterterrorist strategy. Four years into the "global war on terror," half the Americans surveyed this summer said they worry "a lot" about the possibility of such a WMD attack, according to the U.S. polling firm Public Agenda.

Concerns emerged in the 1990s when the Soviet Union's collapse left nuclear and other arms vulnerable to theft. Worries grew as "recipes" for mass-casualty weapons flashed around the Internet. In 1998, al-Qaida leader bin Laden told Time magazine that acquiring such arms to defend Muslims "is a religious duty." Three years later in Afghanistan, the U.S. military found al-Qaida documents, crude equipment and other evidence of chemical and biological experimentation.

Al-Qaida's intent is clear, says a key U.S. intelligence analyst.

"The intent is there and you can see it in the 'fatwas' justifying the use" of WMD, Donald Van Duyn of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division said in a Washington interview.

One fatwa, or Muslim religious decree, issued by radical Saudi cleric Nasser al-Fahd in 2003 at bin Laden's request, "authorized" the use of ultimate weapons "if the infidels can be repelled from the Muslims only by using such weapons."

"It may be only a matter of time before al-Qaida or another group attempts to use chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapons," CIA Director Porter Goss advised U.S. senators earlier this year.

Amid all the warnings, boasts and chilling tales, however, the daunting difficulties of fielding such weapons usually go unmentioned - along with al-Qaida's glaring lack of expertise and stable home base, the unreliability of Internet "formulas," and the progress made worldwide in locking down the raw materials of the most destructive arms.

Amman's is one of many stories of exaggerated threats or ill-conceived plans. Others include:

_British police last year arrested eight people on suspicion of plotting a bombing that would spread osmium tetroxide, a dangerous corrosive compound. But this volatile chemical would have burned up in any explosion, scientists say.

_The long-jailed Jose Padilla, an American al-Qaida member accused of planning a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the United States, is said by U.S. officials to have hoped to use uranium. But uranium has low radioactivity, and would have had no more impact than lead in a bomb, scientists note.

_Eight Algerian and Libyan defendants accused of "conspiracy to manufacture chemical weapons" were freed in London last April after authorities acknowledged tests showed a substance found in one of their apartments was not highly lethal ricin, as earlier alleged. The plant extract, effective as a poison dealt to individuals, was long ago dismissed by military arms-makers as an impractical mass-casualty weapon.

_American WMD specialists in Iraq reported that insurgents there last year recruited a Baghdad chemist to make the blistering agent mustard, a chemical weapon developed in World War I. They said he had the right ingredients, but he couldn't produce the compound.

The only known terrorist use of a chemical weapon occurred in 1995 in the Tokyo subway system, when Aum Shinrikyo cult members punctured plastic bags of sarin, unleashing nerve-agent vapor that felled thousands of commuters.

The cult, including scientists, is believed to have spent millions of dollars on the demanding, dangerous production process, but came up with only impure sarin. It killed 12 people - hardly a mass-fatality terror attack, specialists point out.

"Regardless of what people say, this is very difficult to do, to inflict mass casualties with chemical or biological weapons," said Jonathan Tucker, an authority on unconventional arms with California's Monterey Institute of International Studies. "One really needs large quantities."

Oregon toxicologist Dr. Robert Hendrickson calculates that terrorists would need 1,900 pounds of sarin - more than 200 gallons - to kill half the people in a typical open-air baseball stadium. So much liquid, with dispersal devices, would be extremely difficult to conceal and to produce, probably taking 10 years in a basement-sized operation, experts say.

Thousands of tons of sarin and VX nerve agent already exist, in old U.S., Russian and other military arsenals. But those weapons' potency has degraded and they're being destroyed under the 1997 treaty banning them. Security around the storage sites has been tightened since the Sept. 11, 2001, U.S. terror attacks.

If true chemical weapons prove beyond their reach, experts say, terrorists may turn to far less lethal but more available pesticides and caustic compounds. Large amounts of sulfuric acid, the "battery acid" for sale at $2 a gallon on the Internet, were among the Jordanian group's chemicals.

"Terrorists are opportunistic," Tucker said of that group's motley collection. "They apparently figured it would produce some toxic mess that would do some harm."

The prime target in Amman was Jordan's General Intelligence Department, prosecutors said. Defense attorneys said the men admit planning a bombing, but their cache didn't include ammonium, potassium nitrate and some other compounds mentioned by prosecutors.

A televised "confession" to a chemical plot by alleged bombmaker Azmi al-Jayousi was coerced, said lawyer Khreis, who contended Jordan's U.S.-aligned government was exaggerating the threat because "they want approval of people in the street and of Parliament for their antiterror actions."

Military prosecutors, who wouldn't discuss the case on the record, claim a toxic cloud killed rabbits in the desert in a test explosion of the purported chemical cache. A Jordanian army chemical expert recently testified, however, that only considerable expertise and equipment could produce a mass killer from the mix.

"A chemical bomb needs a qualified chemist," Khreis said. "Al-Jayousi has a 6th-grade education."

Some analysts say the facts of chemistry may mean little in the end for those who want to terrorize populations, as long as the word "chemical" is heard on air or seen in headlines.

"One needs only to look at the adjectives used by the media to describe chemicals to understand why the general public is frightened: toxic, killer, lethal, deadly," said Hendrickson, of the Oregon Health and Science University.

Whether Internet "recipes" work or not, said the FBI's Van Duyn, "I'm not sure they need to be very effective."

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NEXT: Part II - Biological terrorism.

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On the Net:

The 2004 Congressional Research Service report, "Small-scale Terrorist Attacks Using Chemical and Biological Agents":

http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL32391-062304.pdf

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20051030/D8DI46TG0.html
 

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The sad thing is it will take one of those bombs to go off and 80,000+ people to die before the world will really unite against bastards like Zarqawi and Bin Laden.
 

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Gods_Favorite said:
The sad thing is it will take one of those bombs to go off and 80,000+ people to die before the world will really unite against bastards like Zarqawi and Bin Laden.[/QUOTE


No,the sad thing is u sound very disappointed becuz u believe these fake-ass terror related stories from the jump instead of intellegently deciphering them.
Like I said in 1 of previous post, There is no WORLDWIDE terrorist organization. The sponsors of terrorism are giving these BASTARDS too much credit and wants the public to believe in a worldwide org. OBL n Zarq are the new bogeymen. Go back and read my post on #1 BOGEYMEN..and educate yourself as to WHO BENEFITS?
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[FLASH]http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=a8b_1196114625[/FLASH]This is duelfers report



In testimony on the progress of the Iraq Survey
Group on October 2, 2003 he revealed to House and
Senate committees that the ISG had found that Iraq
had a network of clandestine laboratories
containing equipment that should have been (but
was not) disclosed to the UN inspectors. He also
said that the ISG found an undeclared prison
laboratory complex and an undeclared Unmanned
Aerial Vehicle production facility. The Iraq
Survey Group also found out that a UAV had been
test-flown out to a range of 500 kilometers even
though the agreed upon limit was 150 kilometers.
Iraq lied to the UN about the range of that
particular UAV, Kay said.
He testified that Iraq had done research on Congo
Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever and Brucella but had not
declared this to the UN. Iraq also continued
R&D work on anthrax and ricin without
declaring it to the UN.
ISG found nuclear research materials and
centrifuge parts hidden in the home of Iraqi
nuclear scientist Mahdi Obeidi

Kay told the committees that between 1999 and 2002
Iraq attempted to obtain missile technology from
North Korea that would allow them to build
missiles with a range of 1300 kilometers, far
beyond the UN limit of 150 kilometers that Iraq
agreed upon in UN Resolution 687. They also sought
anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 kilometers
from North Korea.
"With regard to delivery systems, the ISG
team has discovered sufficient evidence to date to
conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to
delivery system improvements that would have, if
OIF had not occurred, dramatically breached UN
restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991 Gulf
War," Kay testified.



Iraq wmd report

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program
activities and significant amounts of equipment
that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during
the inspections that began in late 2002. The
discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts
have come about both through the admissions of
Iraqi scientists and officials concerning
information they deliberately withheld and through
physical evidence of equipment and activities that
ISG has discovered that should have been declared
to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of
these concealment efforts, some of which I will
elaborate on later:
� A clandestine network of laboratories and
safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service
that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring
and suitable for continuing CBW research.
� A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in
human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials
working to prepare for UN inspections were
explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.
� Reference strains of biological organisms
concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can
be used to produce biological weapons.
� New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella
and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and
continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not
declared to the UN.
� Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists'
homes, that would have been useful in resuming
uranium enrichment by centrifuge and
electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).
� A line of UAVs not fully declared at an
undeclared production facility and an admission
that they had tested one of their declared UAVs
out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the
permissible limit.
� Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel
propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant
missiles, a capability that was maintained at
least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating
Iraqi scientists have said they were told to
conceal from the UN.
� Plans and advanced design work for new
long-range missiles with ranges up to at least
1000 km -- well beyond the 150 km range limit
imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range
would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets
through out the Middle East, including Ankara,
Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.
� Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002
to obtain from North Korea technology related to
1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the
No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles,
and other prohibited military equipment.
In addition to the discovery of extensive
concealment efforts, we have been faced with a
systematic sanitization of documentary and
computer evidence in a wide range of offices,
laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work.
The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence --
hard drives destroyed, specific files burned,
equipment cleaned of all traces of use -- are ones
of deliberate, rather than random, acts.


Kay told the committees that between 1999 and 2002
Iraq attempted to obtain missile technology from
North Korea that would allow them to build
missiles with a range of 1300 kilometers, far
beyond the UN limit of 150 kilometers that Iraq
agreed upon in UN Resolution 687. They also sought
anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 kilometers
from North Korea.
"With regard to delivery systems, the ISG
team has discovered sufficient evidence to date to
conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to
delivery system improvements that would have, if
OIF had not occurred, dramatically breached UN
restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991 Gulf
War," Kay testified.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722855.stm
The Americans say that a 155mm artillery shell
containing two constituents of sarin was used by
insurgents in Iraq as part of an improvised
explosive device

An artillery shell containing a small amount of
the nerve gas sarin has exploded in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3635381.stm
Al-Qaeda-linked terrorists planned a chemical
attack on Jordan's spy headquarters that could
have killed 20,000 people, officials have said 50
deployed Al Samoud 2 missiles Various equipment,
including vehicles, engines and warheads, related
to the AS2 missiles 2 large propellant casting
chambers 14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas,
the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres
and still at high purity Approximately 500 ml of
thiodiglycol Some 122 mm chemical warheads Some
chemical equipment 224.6 kg of expired growth
media

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.repo
rt/


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm



http://www.foia.cia.gov/duelfer/Iraqs_WMD_Vol1.pdf

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