With immigration and voting rights, is Biden setting up Kamala Harris for failure in 2024?

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With immigration and voting rights, is Biden setting up Kamala Harris for failure in 2024?

As Vice President Kamala Harris jets back this week from talks on immigration policy in Mexico and Guatemala, she might want to review a memo Vice President Walter Mondale sent his boss, Jimmy Carter, in 1976. “Defining an appropriate and meaningful role for the Vice President has been a problem throughout the history of this country,” Mondale wrote. “While custom and statute have changed the office gradually over 200 years, generally speaking, the Vice President has performed a role characterized by ambiguity, disappointment, and even antagonism.”

What is Harris’ role? After a quiet start, President Joe Biden has put her in charge of two of the most radioactive issues facing the nation: immigration and voting rights. It prompted headlines like these: “Biden handed Harris a political grenade” and “Kamala Harris Can’t Win.”

With a portfolio that undoubtedly has Republicans already designing attack ads in the event Harris is the Democrats’ presidential nominee in 2024, a reasonable question becomes: Is Biden setting up Harris to fail?

A tougher job than any before her
Mondale, who died in April at 93, is often cited as a transformative vice president, having established a role as adviser to President Carter, making him a true second in command. The seven vice presidents who followed Mondale each assumed expanded roles in shaping and executing policy.

Al Gore and Dick Cheney, in particular, were powerful forces in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. And as second in command to Barack Obama, Biden compiled a packed portfolio – providing talking points for his own presidential campaign in 2020.

But Harris might have a tougher job than any modern vice president before her. She works for a 78-year-old president who, I believe, will not seek a second term. Harris is already the front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2024, making everything she does – and every assignment she is given – fodder for political attacks. And the job is not exactly a glide path. In 1988, George H.W. Bush was the first vice president in more than 150 years to be elected to succeed the boss.

Harris has to be wondering why she can’t have a no-lose task like, say, dealing with outer space. President John Kennedy named his vice president, Lyndon Johnson, to chair the National Aeronautics and Space Council. Bush later named Vice President Dan Quayle chairman of its successor, the National Space Council. Biden wasn’t responsible for space, but Obama put him in charge of the cancer "moonshot" initiative – about as noncontroversial a role any vice president has ever had, except perhaps when Johnson named Hubert Humphrey head of the President’s Council on Recreation and Natural Beauty.

As Harris conducts meetings with leaders in Guatemala and Mexico, the White House is stressing that her mission is not to fix immigration at the U.S. border but rather to address root causes prompting thousands of migrants to flee north from Central America and Mexico. When Biden was vice president in 2015, Obama gave him responsibility for a similar program that provided $1 billion to Central America. His efforts were largely wasted, as immigration continues to be an almost impossible challenge for both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Voting rights could be thankless task

Just before her trip, Biden gave Harris responsibility for voting rights – from waves of state bills and laws that restrict voting to the House-passed For the People Act, the Democrats' high-priority election reform bill that faces an uphill battle at best in the Senate.

To her credit, Harris requested the assignment, according to The New York Times. But at a time when many Trump voters continue to believe that Democrats stole the last election and Democrats can't corral their own senators to support the voting rights bill they view as crucial, Harris can hardly count on running in 2024 as the person who protected the vote.

Biden has modeled much of his presidency on the Obama administration. Obama gave his vice president meaty assignments but didn’t exactly work to pave a path to the presidency for Biden. In fact, Obama did more to smooth the way for his secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

In his 1976 memo, Vice President Mondale cited an observation by the historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr.: “History has shown the American Vice Presidency to be a job of spectacular and, I believe, incurable frustration.”

As if fixing immigration and voting rights aren’t enough, Kamala Harris, it seems, must also change history.

 
Maybe so. It would be smart for her to ask Congress for more than she can get, and then take the compromised deal that can pass and call it a day ... with the caveat that we as a nation could do so much better to solve these problems with the control of the Senate and the House in Democrats hands.
 
I said it in the other thread but Mayor Brown and a few others warned her this would happen. Her team has been overdrive over the last few weeks trying to frame this shit but it won't work. VP never gets credit for success but shares the blame for failures...
 
I said it in the other thread but Mayor Brown and a few others warned her this would happen. Her team has been overdrive over the last few weeks trying to frame this shit but it won't work. VP never gets credit for success but shares the blame for failures...

And the reality is that immigration is that one issue that will never have a consensus. There are too many variables at play:
  • The American birth rate is declining and the American people are aging, especially white.
  • This means fewer workers in the economy, which (arguably) necessitates more immigrants.
  • This means more economic competition for American workers, especially in many blue-collar jobs. The Left is supposed to defend American workers. But the Left also defends immigrants. So there is a conflict.
  • This means more non-white people in America. The Right claims to defend America's "white, Anglo-Saxon" heritage. But the Right also supports business, which likes having a cheap labor pool to source from and suppress wages.
 
"we gatta vote blue because yall dont want the party of Trump in power again right?!"

will be all of the convincing the sheep will need.
 

There is dysfunction inside the VP’s office, aides and administration officials say. And it’s emanating from the top.

The handling of the border visit was the latest chaotic moment for a staff that’s quickly become mired in them. Harris’ team is experiencing low morale, porous lines of communication and diminished trust among aides and senior officials. Much of the frustration internally is directed at Tina Flournoy, Harris’ chief of staff, a veteran of Democratic politics who began working for her earlier this year.


In interviews, 22 current and former vice presidential aides, administration officials and associates of Harris and Biden described a tense and at times douroffice atmosphere. Aides and allies said Flournoy, in an apparent effort to protect Harris, has instead created an insular environment where ideas are ignored or met with harsh dismissals and decisions are dragged out. Often, they said, she refuses to take responsibility for delicate issues and blames staffers for the negative results that ensue.

“People are thrown under the bus from the very top, there are short fuses and it’s an abusive environment,” said another person with direct knowledge of how Harris’ office is run. “It’s not a healthy environment and people often feel mistreated. It’s not a place where people feel supported but a place where people feel treated like s---.”
As everyone predicted and the exact same reason her presidential campaign imploded. We are barely 6 months in... :smh: :smh: :lol: :lol:
 

There is dysfunction inside the VP’s office, aides and administration officials say. And it’s emanating from the top.

The handling of the border visit was the latest chaotic moment for a staff that’s quickly become mired in them. Harris’ team is experiencing low morale, porous lines of communication and diminished trust among aides and senior officials. Much of the frustration internally is directed at Tina Flournoy, Harris’ chief of staff, a veteran of Democratic politics who began working for her earlier this year.


In interviews, 22 current and former vice presidential aides, administration officials and associates of Harris and Biden described a tense and at times douroffice atmosphere. Aides and allies said Flournoy, in an apparent effort to protect Harris, has instead created an insular environment where ideas are ignored or met with harsh dismissals and decisions are dragged out. Often, they said, she refuses to take responsibility for delicate issues and blames staffers for the negative results that ensue.

“People are thrown under the bus from the very top, there are short fuses and it’s an abusive environment,” said another person with direct knowledge of how Harris’ office is run. “It’s not a healthy environment and people often feel mistreated. It’s not a place where people feel supported but a place where people feel treated like s---.”
As everyone predicted and the exact same reason her presidential campaign imploded. We are barely 6 months in... :smh: :smh: :lol: :lol:

Coon! Faggot! Trumper!
 
Coon! Faggot! Trumper!

I notice the shills from election time don't even defend these mofos no mo. They in hiding til election season next year then they will be back voter shaming again and telling us we will all die if we don't get more white Dems elected. :yes:
 

She is really fucking up in the exact same way everyone said she would. :smh: A candidates campaign is a preview of how they will be in office... :smh:


I really wanted Bass, Demings or even Warren because they had all demonstrated actual competence and not just ambition.

This is shaping up to be a disaster that was entirely preventable
 
Kamala running a SHIT show. :lol:


Top White House officials are publicly circling the wagons around Vice President Kamala Harris' operation while privately describing the chaos in her office as a "s---show," Axios reported on Friday.

Long-simmering unhappiness in Harris' office and tensions between her staff and President Joe Biden's boiled over in a recent report from Politico. The outlet spoke with 22 sources, including current and former Harris staffers, who described poor morale and communication breakdowns within the vice president's office.

"People are thrown under the bus from the very top, there are short fuses and it's an abusive environment," one source told Politico. "It's not a healthy environment and people often feel mistreated. It's not a place where people feel supported but a place where people feel treated like s---."

Some key aides and staffers were left in the dark when it came to the planning of Harris' trip to the US-Mexico border in El Paso, Texas, Politico reported. Two advance staffers also recently departed from Harris' office.
 
So it's very telling that this thread is full of Politico articles. Politico is a known conservative leaning publication and is also know to alway have issues with Kamala Harris.

So while I do think the usual ADOS losers in here are coons what's more telling is the articles they choose to read and post.
 
Kamala Harris' poor polling numbers, bad press raise red flags among Democratic insiders
by CHRISTOPHER WHITE | Sinclair Broadcast Group
Monday, August 9th 2021

WASHINGTON (SBG) — Democratic insiders are worried Vice President Kamala Harris might not be President Joe Biden's heir apparent after all following a torrent of bad press, messaging, and poor polling numbers, according to Axios.

A group of influential women in the Democratic Party met in Washington, D.C. last month to come up with a game plan on how to defend the vice president, Axios reported on Thursday. The report comes off the heels of a poll showing more voters view her unfavorably than like her.
Roughly 47% of registered voters hold an unfavorable view of Harris, compared to 45% who have a favorable opinion of the nation's first black female vice president, according to the Morning Consult-Politico poll, which was released Wednesday.

More registered voters hold an unfavorable view of Harris than they do of Biden, who registered a 45% unfavorable rating in the same poll. The Democratic insiders met in July aim to change Harris' public perception.

President Joe Biden waves as he walks to Marine One on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, Friday, Aug. 6, 2021, as he heads to Wilmington, Del., for the weekend. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

Kiki McLean, a Democratic public affairs expert and former adviser to both Clintons, hosted the dinner and was joined by Harris confidant Minyon Moore and two former Democratic National Committee officials, Donna Brazile and Leah Daughtry.

They are intent on helping the vice president from the outside, Axios reporting, citing an unnamed source who is familiar with what was said at the dinner.
It was less about how do you sort out the infrastructure [of Harris' operation], and it was more how can this group contribute to make sure that not only is her team making the most of this moment — as the first woman of color in the White House — but how can we help from the outside?" the source reportedly said.
The Biden-Harris presidency was viewed as a potential forerunner for Harris, who many Democrats believed would use the vice presidency as a launching point for her own White House run. That viewpoint has taken a hit in recent months.

The vice president faced criticism over a trip she took last month to the southern border, where she avoided the Rio Grande Valley, where the bulk of the immigration crisis is taking place.

Harris, who Biden tapped to tackle the border crisis, also got intense pushback for focusing on what she called the root causes of the migration problem -- the systemic financial and political issues facing many South American countries.

Her visit to the border came after she was scrutinized for laughing at a question while in Guatemala about why she had not visited the border, pointing out that she also had not gone to Europe. The border controversy coincided with scandals over staff departures and criticism over her work pushing through voting rights legislation.

The Democratic insiders at the dinner believe much of the problem is associated with sexism. But Democratic strategist Rev. Dee Dawkins-Haigler believes Harris is partially to blame.
When they're asking her - 'have you been down to the border.' And your response is 'no I've never been to the border, but I haven't been to other place.' What are you talking about? That's not what they asked you. So you know, some of the damage was done on behalf of yourself," Dawkins-Haigler told Sinclair Broadcast Group, referencing a Harris interview in which she scoffed at a reporter's question about going to the border.
 
Scoop: Inside a Kamala Harris crisis dinner
Jonathan Swan

A group of the Democratic Party's most influential women met for dinner at a home in the nation’s capital last month to game out how to defend Vice President Kamala Harris and her chief of staff, Tina Flournoy, against a torrent of bad press.

Why it matters: It's telling that so early in the Biden-Harris administration, such powerful operatives felt compelled to try to right the vice president's ship.

Details: The host was Kiki McLean, a Democratic public affairs expert and former adviser to both Clintons.
  • Her guests included Harris confidant Minyon Moore; two former DNC officials, Donna Brazile and Leah Daughtry; Biden adviser and leader of his outside group, Stephanie Cutter; former Hillary Clinton spokeswomen and Democratic strategists Adrienne Elrod and Karen Finney; and former Obama White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri.
  • Nobody from the vice president's office was at the dinner, but Harris is attuned to her outside network of supporters. Harris' office declined to comment on the dinner.
Behind the scenes: These were old friends getting together for the first time since the pandemic began, and celebrating a Democratic president after the Trump years. But the dinner had an urgent purpose.
  • Harris had been hit with a series of damaging press accounts, with leaks from administration officials questioning her political judgment and describing rampant dysfunction in her office.
  • The operatives spent the dinner discussing how to fight back against negative perceptions, and how to help Harris boost her national media footing.
What they're saying: "The point of it was how can this group be supportive from the outside," said one person familiar with the dinner.
  • "It was less about how do you sort out the infrastructure [of Harris' operation], and it was more how can this group contribute to make sure that not only is her team making the most of this moment — as the first woman of color in the White House — but how can we help from the outside?"
The women discussed how they could leverage Harris' record as a prosecutor, California attorney general and U.S. senator to blunt criticisms of her performance as vice president, including her answers to questions about the border crisis.
  • Another source familiar with the dinner said attendees saw sexist overtones to the Harris coverage, and discussed how they could "make sure the press knows this."
  • "Many of us lived through the Clinton campaign, and want to help curb some of the gendered dynamics in press coverage that impacted HRC," this source said. "It was like: 'We’ve seen this before.' It’s subtle. But when things aren't going well for a male politician, we ask very different questions, and they’re not held to account the way a woman leader is.”
Flashback: The stories about Harris had gotten so bad by early July that White House chief of staff Ron Klain and others forcefully defended Harris, and declared full confidence in her abilities in statements to Axios.
  • Biden senior adviser Cedric Richmond even charged that there was "a whisper campaign designed to sabotage" the vice president.
  • As we wrote in that story, 2024 is the elephant in the room.
 
Scoop: Inside a Kamala Harris crisis dinner
Jonathan Swan

A group of the Democratic Party's most influential women met for dinner at a home in the nation’s capital last month to game out how to defend Vice President Kamala Harris and her chief of staff, Tina Flournoy, against a torrent of bad press.

Why it matters: It's telling that so early in the Biden-Harris administration, such powerful operatives felt compelled to try to right the vice president's ship.

Details: The host was Kiki McLean, a Democratic public affairs expert and former adviser to both Clintons.
  • Her guests included Harris confidant Minyon Moore; two former DNC officials, Donna Brazile and Leah Daughtry; Biden adviser and leader of his outside group, Stephanie Cutter; former Hillary Clinton spokeswomen and Democratic strategists Adrienne Elrod and Karen Finney; and former Obama White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri.
  • Nobody from the vice president's office was at the dinner, but Harris is attuned to her outside network of supporters. Harris' office declined to comment on the dinner.
Behind the scenes: These were old friends getting together for the first time since the pandemic began, and celebrating a Democratic president after the Trump years. But the dinner had an urgent purpose.
  • Harris had been hit with a series of damaging press accounts, with leaks from administration officials questioning her political judgment and describing rampant dysfunction in her office.
  • The operatives spent the dinner discussing how to fight back against negative perceptions, and how to help Harris boost her national media footing.
What they're saying: "The point of it was how can this group be supportive from the outside," said one person familiar with the dinner.
  • "It was less about how do you sort out the infrastructure [of Harris' operation], and it was more how can this group contribute to make sure that not only is her team making the most of this moment — as the first woman of color in the White House — but how can we help from the outside?"
The women discussed how they could leverage Harris' record as a prosecutor, California attorney general and U.S. senator to blunt criticisms of her performance as vice president, including her answers to questions about the border crisis.
  • Another source familiar with the dinner said attendees saw sexist overtones to the Harris coverage, and discussed how they could "make sure the press knows this."
  • "Many of us lived through the Clinton campaign, and want to help curb some of the gendered dynamics in press coverage that impacted HRC," this source said. "It was like: 'We’ve seen this before.' It’s subtle. But when things aren't going well for a male politician, we ask very different questions, and they’re not held to account the way a woman leader is.”
Flashback: The stories about Harris had gotten so bad by early July that White House chief of staff Ron Klain and others forcefully defended Harris, and declared full confidence in her abilities in statements to Axios.
  • Biden senior adviser Cedric Richmond even charged that there was "a whisper campaign designed to sabotage" the vice president.
  • As we wrote in that story, 2024 is the elephant in the room.

She was polling below Andrew Yang in Cali before she dropped out of the presidential race so you can't really say any of this is surprising especially when the complaints from her campaign staffers were damn near identical to what is being said now. :smh: Never trust a fucking wench especially when they cosplay as Shirley Chisholm...
 
No need for a set up. Kamala Harris is too tainted to beat a strong Republican in this political environment anyway. All they have to do is thread the trump/moderate conservative needle to send the dems packing. The dems needs an appealing balanced face to win in 2024. Kamala isn't it.
 
I wasn’t a fan of her’s but I hate how the press is treating her. I don’t remember Pence getting this much negative press, so early on.
 
I wasn’t a fan of her’s but I hate how the press is treating her. I don’t remember Pence getting this much negative press, so early on.

This isn't Obama wore a tan suit or likes fancy mustard bullshit though. It is telling that this is the second time that the people closest to her have gone to the press saying the same things: She is incompetent and has terrible people management skills etc.

2019: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...igns-scathing-letter-staff-treated-poorl.html

2021: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290

My fear is that she is Hillary part 2 (it's her turn :smh:). They need to figure out a way to get her out of there and get somebody in who actually has a chance in a national election as We will not survive another 4 years of republican malignant incompetence...
 
This isn't Obama wore a tan suit or likes fancy mustard bullshit though. It is telling that this is the second time that the people closest to her have gone to the press saying the same things: She is incompetent and has terrible people management skills etc.

2019: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...igns-scathing-letter-staff-treated-poorl.html

2021: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290

My fear is that she is Hillary part 2 (it's her turn :smh:). They need to figure out a way to get her out of there and get somebody in who actually has a chance in a national election as We will not survive another 4 years of republican malignant incompetence...

She might have terrible people management skills. I just don't like how "her people" are running to the press. She played a good hand and got the VP nod but people don't rock with her like that. I don't see a way for her to be on the ticket for President without something MAJOR happening.
 
She finna be the new Hillary
I doubt she even gets the nomination. I can see Jill Biden as POTUS before her, which seems to be the play for the so-called Karen. Kamala only gets in if Weekend at Bernie’s croaks which looks like a strong possibility everytime I see him on television.

the people that were spamming the board daily before the selections have vanished and have not been held accountable for tricking the gullible. This administration is on pace to be the worst of my lifetime (currently held by GW Bush, Jr.). All they need is a major war or to keep COVID going another year and it is a wrap.
 
Nobody was checking for Biden or Harris until the powers that be decided to select Biden and use Jim Coonburn as a catalyst. The DNC wanted to prop up Pete Buttigieg first but decided he couldn’t defeat Trump. The corporation isn’t pro-LGBT like most on BGOL, and about 25 years away (if the society lasts that long).

This administration has been awful so far, no wins. COVID worse than ever, the US in more debt than ever, Biden continuing all of Trump’s failing policies, LGBTism and mental illness pushed heavily on the masses. Only a faggot or mindless zombie approves of the current administration, which we have a lot of on BGOL.
 
This isn't Obama wore a tan suit or likes fancy mustard bullshit though. It is telling that this is the second time that the people closest to her have gone to the press saying the same things: She is incompetent and has terrible people management skills etc.

2019: https://slate.com/news-and-politics...igns-scathing-letter-staff-treated-poorl.html

2021: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290

My fear is that she is Hillary part 2 (it's her turn :smh:). They need to figure out a way to get her out of there and get somebody in who actually has a chance in a national election as We will not survive another 4 years of republican malignant incompetence...
The current DNC is the party of “Republican malignant incompetence”. Only the blind can’t see it.
 
Nobody was checking for Biden or Harris until the powers that be decided to select Biden and use Jim Coonburn as a catalyst. The DNC wanted to prop up Pete Buttigieg first but decided he couldn’t defeat Trump. The corporation isn’t pro-LGBT like most on BGOL, and about 25 years away (if the society lasts that long).

This administration has been awful so far, no wins. COVID worse than ever, the US in more debt than ever, Biden continuing all of Trump’s failing policies, LGBTism and mental illness pushed heavily on the masses. Only a faggot or mindless zombie approves of the current administration, which we have a lot of on BGOL.

BGOL is filled with white and melenated LGBT. You had dudes who were against or made fun of reparations siding with and defending Lil Nas X. :smh: They support anything co-signed by liberal whites so you know what else they support. When I posted that article about the gay politician touching kids they completely ignored it because he a Dem.
 
Neither side trust a traitor but it is still an easy vote between Trump and her. Any non coon or non cac can see that. Trump is a harbinger of doom.

If the choice is her and Trump/Desantis/whatever other deranged cac they put up I am voting for her but I would much rather have an actually competent non-wench on the ticket.
 
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