With Friends Like These: Great Analysis of Billary's 'Good Cop-Bad Cop' Obama Support

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Clinton Avoids Helping Obama, World Doesn't Come to an End

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by Steve Kornacki
September 29, 2008

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Barack Obama and Bill Clinton after a meeting in the former president's Harlem offices earlier this month


It’s not too surprising that the financial crisis has triggered a timely political windfall for Barack Obama, whose poll numbers have steadily climbed since the magnitude of Wall Street’s collapse became clear just over a week ago. When campaigns are defined by economic unease, Democrats tend to benefit – especially when it’s the Republicans who’ve run the White House for the eight previous years.

But the crisis has been timely in another way for Obama, because it has drowned out what otherwise might have been an unhelpful development: The re-emergence of Bill Clinton.

Officially, the former president has been making the media rounds for the same reason he always does every September, to promote his annual Clinton Global Initiative conference, which is held in conjunction with U.N. Week in New York. But in the context of the current election, that’s just window dressing. None of the media figures who’ve interviewed Clinton in the past two weeks have shown more than an obligatory interest in his humanitarian efforts, and have instead packed their sessions with as many questions as possible about the Obama-John McCain race.

Too often, from the Obama perspective, Clinton has provided responses that only reinforce doubts about the nature of his support for Obama and whether he’s actually pursuing some multilayered sabotage scheme – offering heaping praise for Obama in one appearance only to wink to his wife’s embittered primary supporters in the next one – aimed at ensuring an open Democratic nomination in 2012.

Two Thursdays ago, Clinton used a CNBC appearance to salute McCain as “a great man” and to call his running-mate, the increasingly polarizing Sarah Palin, “an instinctively effective candidate.” He reiterated those kind words for McCain (and added a few new ones) on David Letterman’s “Late Show” the next Monday, and also made a point of praising his wife’s own prescriptions for the financial crisis (as opposed to promoting Obama’s). Clinton seemed so reluctant to mention Obama that Chris Rock, who followed Clinton on the show, opened his segment by telling Letterman: “Is it me, or did he not want to say the words ‘Barack Obama?’ Hillary ain't running! One of those guys needs to tell him.”

Then there was his taped appearance on Sunday’s “Meet the Press,” which may have been a thank-you to host Tom Brokaw, who moderated a panel at Clinton’s New York conference last week (which was broadcast live by MSNBC).

Asked by Brokaw if he believes that Obama, like McCain, is “a great man,” Clinton said that he’d only had one meaningful conversation with Obama ever and then offered this bit of backhanded approbation: “I know he saw and imagined the way this thing could develop – this political year and this economic situation— in a way that has left him in the position of leadership that he’s in now.” In other words, when asked if Obama was a great man, Clinton replied that he’s a good politician.

And when Brokaw turned to Hillary Clinton’s presence on the fall campaign trail for Obama, Clinton insisted that “I don’t think that anybody in 40 years who’s been in a race like this has done as much for the nominee” – a defensive formulation that he has been trotting out for years on all sorts of subjects.

Clinton’s defenders argue that his words are being parsed too cynically – that questions about his commitment to Obama were never warranted in the first place and that he put them to rest with his rousing convention speech at the end of August. Of course, there’s plenty of reason to challenge this: It was Clinton, after all, who earlier in the summer refused to endorse Obama’s readiness to assume the presidency in a network television interview. The more skeptical view is that Clinton is doing enough so that he can claim after the election that he was there for Obama – while undermining him just enough so that he can’t win.

The truth about Clinton’s motives is probably somewhere in the middle. Clinton’s kind personal words for McCain, for example, are undoubtedly genuine, plus it is possible that he believes acknowledging McCain’s admirable personal traits is smart politics. After all, like Obama this year, Clinton in 1996 ran against a decorated war hero who made his service and self-sacrifice the centerpiece of his campaign – Bob Dole. And in that race, Clinton consistently acknowledged Dole’s character, making it clear that his only gripe was with his opponent’s ideas. (In fact, a few months after the ’96 campaign, Clinton actually awarded Dole with the presidential Medal of Freedom.)

At the same time, Clinton has made it quite clear that he still has scores to settle from the primary season. (In the same interview in which he discussed Obama’s readiness to lead, he also threatened to air some specific grievances after the November election.) Plus, it’s simply undeniable that Hillary Clinton and her White House hopes would be a major beneficiary if Obama were to lose in November – and Bill Clinton is notorious for earnestly denying political motives, even while earning a reputation as the country’s preeminent political animal. His own history invites all of the skepticism that he’s faced lately.

All of this could have been very problematic for Obama. Two weeks ago, the race was dead even and McCain, still riding an energizing post-convention wave, was on the offensive. Ordinarily, Clinton’s media tour would have dominated the news – reopening Democratic primary season wounds and re-raising all of the familiar questions about Obama’s difficulties in winning over Hillary Clinton voters. But then came the Wall Street collapse, the heated Congressional debate over a bailout, and the drama of the first presidential debate. Against that backdrop, Bill Clinton still made news – but his words haven’t resonated like they otherwise would have.

And now, Clinton’s conference – and the media attention that went with it – is over. For Barack Obama, it could have been a lot worse.
 
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good article
 

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Bill Clinton reminds me of a Chrysler 300 with the custom package. You think you have a Rolls Royce Phantom, until a real Phantom rolls up. Bill thought he was the first black President, until the real first black President rolled up. Hillary's just a bitch in the passenger seat of the 300.
 

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Clinton's arms are too short to box with Obama. Nigga still salty Obama snipped them off 1 by 1.

Fact is Clinton is mad that when its all sad and done and when Obama serves out his 2 terms Bill will be an after thought
 

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Bill Clinton is one of the greatest presidents of all time.

that said, he is also one of the biggest assholes of all time.

and he needs to sit down.
 

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Bill Clinton reminds me of a Chrysler 300 with the custom package. You think you have a Rolls Royce Phantom, until a real Phantom rolls up. Bill thought he was the first black President, until the real first black President rolled up. Hillary's just a bitch in the passenger seat of the 300.

:roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2::roflmao2: :lol::lol::lol:
 

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Don't sleep. Billary is runnin in 2012 whether Obama wins or not. If he wins, they're gonna be pullin this same lil sly underhanded shit, hopin he fails so they can take shots in 2012.
 

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Analysis? More like a jumble of supposition and interpretive bias based on soundbytes.

Dudes are still on that primary schism that was hellbent on making the other candidate the epitome of all that is wrong when they were and are both on the same side. Niether one of the Clintons have ever even muttered a single phrase that suggests they or anyone else should vote for Mccain based on some political manuevering. All this shit is monday morning quarterbackin.

Oh but its not about what they said its what they didnt say. GTFOH! It cant be dismissed that no other political opponent in history has gone to bat for the victor as hard as Hillary has. This shit is really baffling. Niggaz find any reason to hate just like the descendents of their slavemasters.

A more truthful analysis of Billspeak is that he heaped all this praise bout Mccain and Palin and proceeded to shoot their punk ass ideology down like duck hunt. That is his political style to lull you in with a crafty argument and disarm your sensibility while he gives you what bullshit he wants to transmit. End of story. Both him and Hills have a right to be bitter that they lost a close race to O. Wouldnt you? Fact is they have sucked it up, tucked whatever personal motivations they have and got behind the party. Why dismiss that just cause they arent ridin Obama nuts as hard as some of you? There is NO way even if Obama had/does fail that they would be successful in '12 if it even looked like they sabotaged him. The Clintons for all their faults are not out of touch with political reality.

They -mostly Hills tho- will be a big part of Obamas success come November.

All that said I can mos def ride with the following-

Bill Clinton is one of the greatest presidents of all time.

that said, he is also one of the biggest assholes of all time.

and he needs to sit down.
 

Ming Fei Hong

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Bill Clinton is one of the greatest presidents of all time.
Qualify that claim, please?
Don't sleep. Billary is runnin in 2012 whether Obama wins or not. If he wins, they're gonna be pullin this same lil sly underhanded shit, hopin he fails so they can take shots in 2012.
Unless they pull off an assassination, they don't have a shot against a sitting Democrat president. They'd have better luck trying to unseat Biden, so Hillary can slide in (never happen).

Thing is, everyone's talking about Hillary in 2012 as though some new face can't pop up between then and now (they way Barack did 4 years ago) and steal her shine again. If Obama loses in 2008, I predict Hillary doesn't even get nominated in 2012.
 

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where are bill's medical records.

someone on this board mentioned that he was ill or something.

didn't he have some carcinoma removed from his nose?

him and mccain going out the same way (cancer) at the same time (imo) would be poetic justice.
 
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Fact is Clinton is mad that when its all sad and done and when Obama serves out his 2 terms Bill will be an after thought

and i kinda hope that the repugnants obtain the presidency (for one term only) after mr. obama's two.

by then bill would be dead from cancer and over-the-hillary will be too old and politically invalid.
 

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Thing is, everyone's talking about Hillary in 2012 as though some new face can't pop up between then and now (they way Barack did 4 years ago) and steal her shine again. If Obama loses in 2008, I predict Hillary doesn't even get nominated in 2012.
Well since this economic downturn/correction was expected with more to come, 2012 is a good year to bring in all the stuff you want without no hesitations. The new deal was a great piece of history but you had people like milton who thought their idea was better. they had infinite amount of time to do it and it failed. now we're going to hit them with something better, and there isn't going to be much opposition.
 

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Good analysis. Good post.
 

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I used to like Bill Clinton. His genius, his hard work, his ability to make things happen, but now he has shown him self as either a racist or at the very least a bitter old fuck! I brought this up in another thread before and at the time everyone was saying what do you want him to do. He's doing what he needs to for Obama. But as time has shown the dude is literally the monkey wrench in the Obama campaigns proverbial plans.

Now, truth be told, if I saw Bill on fire across the street, I wouldn't walk across to spit on him.
 

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Qualify that claim, please?

The Black political and educational elite gathered at the White House to applaud the President's signing - and expansion - of the executive order for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs).

full story

President Clinton signs bill giving $29 million to restore buildings at Black colleges

full story

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

full story

this is an obvious pro-Clinton site, but the info is corroborated by out side interests:

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html

The share of black families living below the poverty line dropped, from 31% in 1992 (roughly the level it had bounced around since the 1960s) to 21% in 2001. Average black life expectancy also rose, wages went up, homeownership increased, wealth expanded, and the percentage of young people completing college jumped significantly. Seen from the streets and ghettos of any American city, this represents huge progress for blacks.

full story

Clinton had more Black folks in his cabinet and on his staff than any other president in history.

i lived through Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush 1, and i'd never seen the success of Black people as a whole until the Clinton years. in fact, the economy was AMAZING during that time, as it always tends to fair better under a democrat.

love him or hate him, no other president in U.S. history has done more for Black interests than Bill Clinton. i've already posted the proof.

that said, we voted him into office, so we don't owe him shit. he did what he was expected to do. now he needs to realize his day is over and there's new blood running this thing.
 

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Bill Clinton reminds me of a Chrysler 300 with the custom package. You think you have a Rolls Royce Phantom, until a real Phantom rolls up. Bill thought he was the first black President, until the real first black President rolled up. Hillary's just a bitch in the passenger seat of the 300.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Bill Clinton is one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Qualify that claim, please?

The Black political and educational elite gathered at the White House to applaud the President's signing - and expansion - of the executive order for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs).

full story

President Clinton signs bill giving $29 million to restore buildings at Black colleges

full story

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.

full story

this is an obvious pro-Clinton site, but the info is corroborated by out side interests:

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html

The share of black families living below the poverty line dropped, from 31% in 1992 (roughly the level it had bounced around since the 1960s) to 21% in 2001. Average black life expectancy also rose, wages went up, homeownership increased, wealth expanded, and the percentage of young people completing college jumped significantly. Seen from the streets and ghettos of any American city, this represents huge progress for blacks.

full story

Clinton had more Black folks in his cabinet and on his staff than any other president in history.

clinton's crafty ass only did this shit because black people were UNDER him.

now that a black man who may be OVER him (his master), clinton's true nature is manifesting itself in living colour.
 

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love him or hate him, no other president in U.S. history has done more for Black interests than Bill Clinton. i've already posted the proof.

Exhibit A: Clinton Ignores Genocide In Rwanda, But Strikes In Kosova



Exhibit B: Clinton Flees Mogadishu Conflict & Empowers Bin Laden



New York City - February 26, 1993

al-Qaeda plans and executes the first attack on New York's twin towers. Led by the criminally insane spiritual leader, Omar Abdel Rahman, they unleash a truck bomb at the base in an attempt to collapse the structure. Six are killed and over a 1,000 are injured. President Clinton promises to hunt those and punish those responsible. With the help of Janet Reno, the administration considers the incident only a criminal act, convicts six and judges the case closed.

Somalia - October 3, 1993

An impatient administration presses U.S. military based in Somalia to engage and capture Somali warlord Mohammed Adid while refusing to equip them with air gunships or heavy armor out of U.N. sensitivities. Al-Qaeda lieutenants train the local insurgency to ambush and counter-attack U.S. Rangers during a daring daylight raid. In a 15-hour firefight 19 American soldiers were killed while inflicting over 1,000 Somalis. An American soldier was dragged naked through the streets in celebration, and President Clinton promises to hunt those and punish those responsible. Days later Clinton announces an abrupt pullout of Somalia and the considers the case closed.

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - November 13, 1995

Militants strike U.S. military headquarters with a bomb inside a van. Five are killed. The administration sends FBI agents and President Clinton promises to hunt those and punish those responsible. After Saudi Arabia refusing to cooperate after beheading four chosen for blame of the terrorist attack, the administration considers the case closed.

Dhahran, Saudi Arabia - June 25, 1996

Militants strike U.S. military barracks with a bomb inside a truck. Nineteen are killed. President Clinton promises to hunt those and punish those responsible. But absolutely nothing was done until a new G. W. Bush administration took office when a federal grand jury indicted 13 Saudis and a Lebanese. The Clinton administration considered the case closed.

East Africa - August 7, 1998

al-Qaeda conducts orchestrated attacks against U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Two truck bombs kill 224, including 12 Americans while injuring over 5,000. President Clinton promises to hunt and punish those responsible. Two weeks later he chooses an aspirin factory in Sudan to launch cruise missiles against. Thinking this meek show of force was enough to repel Islamic extremists from attacking the United States, the Clinton administration considered the case closed.

Aden, Yemen - October 12, 2000

al-Qaeda strikes a naval target, the destroyer U.S.S. Cole. With a small boat bomb they murder 17 sailors. The Yemenis quietly arrest eight and jails none. Though President Clinton promises to hunt those and punish those responsible, he does nothing to distract his vice-president, Al Gore, from continuing his presidential campaign. Choosing the election over justice, the Clinton administration considered the case closed.

New York City - September 11, 2001

al-Qaeda returns to New York planning and executing their second attack on the city's twin towers. Two airliners are hijacked and rammed into each sky scraper. The heat and damage done to the structures brought each tower to earth. al-Qaeda hijacks two other airliners that same morning. One crashes into the Pentagon in D.C. while the other crashes into a field in Ohio after passengers resisted foiled a plan believed to fly into D.C. President G. W. Bush promises to hunt those and punish those responsible and declares War Against Terror. He did not consider the case closed.

In August, 2002, NewsMax.com releases secret audio of then President Clinton admitting for the first time anywhere that he had the chance to take Osama bin Laden into custody, but he nixed the idea because he couldn't come up with a legal justification for the 9-11 mastermind's extradition The tape was recorded at a February 2002 business luncheon on New York's Long Island:

"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again - they released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, 'cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn't and that's how he wound up in Afghanistan." (End of excerpt)

Exhibit C: Gave Bush Regime Moral Platform To Takeover Presidency



The rest is history. Bill did his thing, but he's NOT the greatest president in history.
 

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clinton's crafty ass only did this shit because black people were UNDER him.

now that a black man who may be OVER him (his master), clinton's true nature is manifesting itself in living colour.
Under Clintons reign the Dem party saw droves of election loses that resulted in a Republican controlled House and Senate throughout his tenure. Most of the fiscal policies he rubber stamped (including welfare reform) were from the Rep platform. The economic boom he enjoyed began while Bush Sr was in office and started declining at the end of Clinton's administration BEFORE Bus Jr took over.
 

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i never said he was the greatest, i said he's one of em. and does the fucked up stuff he did negate the good things that directly affected our community?

who's the greatest in your opinion?
 

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i never said he was the greatest, i said he's one of em. and does the fucked up stuff he did negate the good things that directly affected our community?

who's the greatest in your opinion?
To be really frank... none of them are great in the first place to pick a great among them. IMO. It's more a matter of picking the lesser of 43 evils. Who wins that contest is a toss up. I'll go with you that Bill would make a Top 10 list of least evil presidents. But that's not saying much considering his competition are mostly slave owners, segregationists, war mongers/killers, rapists, imperialist... on so on. Bill ain't shit... never was. He only ever seemed like he was a better man than he really was/is in comparison to perceivably worse men than he.
 

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LOL...

well, i'm glad we agree then.

i think.
 

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Bill Clinton reminds me of a Chrysler 300 with the custom package. You think you have a Rolls Royce Phantom, until a real Phantom rolls up. Bill thought he was the first black President, until the real first black President rolled up. Hillary's just a bitch in the passenger seat of the 300.

DAMN GOOD ANALOGY!!!
 

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great read. i was talking to some friends about Palin's initial help to the mccain camp and where hillary was in regards to a counterbalance. the conversation shifted to their notable absence and bill's backhanded complements.

then i saw chris rock on atalk show last week saying the same thing and now this article. they are, and have been, virtually useless. this makes, what should be, an eventual win by barak even sweeter. he will win in spite of them.
 

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great read. i was talking to some friends about Palin's initial help to the mccain camp and where hillary was in regards to a counterbalance. the conversation shifted to their notable absence and bill's backhanded complements.

then i saw chris rock on atalk show last week saying the same thing and now this article. they are, and have been, virtually useless. this makes, what should be, an eventual win by barak even sweeter. he will win in spite of them.
Fam, Chris Rock took the words clean out of EVERYBODY watching's mouth. That's why the crowd was laughing so hard. We were all thinking the same thing... "Bill is on some bullshit!" The fact that Chris called him on his bullshit while he was actually there was just classic! :yes:
 
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