Winter is Coming- Game of Thrones s3 & s4 *spoilers*(TV fans & readers only upto bk 4

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So is Sansa and Arya going to reunite or what?
 
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So is Sansa and Arya going to reunite or what?

Not in the books and more than likely not in the show either. Remember nobody except for a few people knows that sansa is there, and I doubt that they think that anyone who isn't related would spend any money to pay the ransom. Also I doubt if the hound is gonna stick around to see if anyone else is gonna pay.
 
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Not in the books and more than likely not in the show either. Remember nobody except for a few people knows that sansa is there, and I doubt that they think that anyone who isn't related would spend any money to pay the ransom. Also I doubt if the hound is gonna stick around to see if anyone else is gonna pay.

That scene with Arya and the Hound making it to the Eyrie didn't make sense to me. Like the mop up battle at Craster's keep, this is another deviation from the book that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than to give a few characters some additional screen time.

One problem with them showing up at the Eyrie is now someone besides Brienne and the Hound knows Arya is alive. If Littlefinger finds out or even suspects Arya is alive that changes a lot.

I guess another purpose is to give show viewers (FALSE) hope there is going to be some kind of Stark sibling reunion. Pretty lame IMO
 
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Not in the books and more than likely not in the show either. Remember nobody except for a few people knows that sansa is there, and I doubt that they think that anyone who isn't related would spend any money to pay the ransom. Also I doubt if the hound is gonna stick around to see if anyone else is gonna pay.

It took me a minute last night to realize why Arya was laughing.

She was laughing so hard that the Hound spent so much energy and emotion thinking he was going to get a reward to only find out he was a few days too late. Arya not giving a single fuck.
 
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Who is lady stone heart again?
 
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If Lady Stoneheart does make her appearance,Im expecting a big reaction.....:lol::lol::yes:
 
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If Lady Stoneheart does make her appearance,Im expecting a big reaction.....:lol::lol::yes:
Last two episodes are going to be epic.

Tywin dies.
Shae dies.
Tyrion gets help from Jaime and Varys and breaks out across the Narrow Sea.
Ygritte dies.
Styr dies.
Stannis arrives to save the day.
The Hound dies (maybe, but not really…)
Arya crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lady Stoneheart appears.
 
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Last two episodes are going to be epic.

Tywin dies.
Shae dies.
Tyrion gets help from Jaime and Varys and breaks out across the Narrow Sea.
Ygritte dies.
Styr dies.
Stannis arrives to save the day.
The Hound dies (maybe, but not really…)
Arya crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lady Stoneheart appears.

ya man that's a lot for 2 hours...I still feel somewhat cheated by the mountain/red viper fight tho
 
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Last two episodes are going to be epic.

Tywin dies.
Shae dies.
Tyrion gets help from Jaime and Varys and breaks out across the Narrow Sea.
Ygritte dies.
Styr dies.
Stannis arrives to save the day.
The Hound dies (maybe, but not really…)
Arya crosses the Narrow Sea.
Lady Stoneheart appears.

Don't forget Stannis coming to the wall

Edit I just saw you type it lol
 
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Don't forget Stannis coming to the wall to help fight
It's in there, playboy. Stannis comes to save the day.

Episode 9 will be mostly the Battle at the Wall which means we're going to get:
Ygritte
Styr
Stannis

I'm figuring that Arya will end up leaving the Hound and go off on her own.

The episode #10 title is The Children, so we'll see Tyrion going apeshit and Arya leaving Westeros. I'm sure we're going to see some shit with Danerys and the dragons and expect something Bran as well.
 
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The TV series is decent entertainment, but it seems like the books have begun to lose steam. It's to the point where I'm saying "What's the point, other than killing off characters?" Other than that it doesn't seem like Martin has a strong hook to his stories. In fact, you could skip whole sections of the books and miss out on virtually nothing of meaning.

This guy seems to be writing the never ending story. Plus his agent recently suggested that he may not have a strong plan on how to even bring the thing to a close.

http://www.hypable.com/2014/06/02/anne-groell-george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2/.
 
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The TV series is decent entertainment, but it seems like the books have begun to lose steam. It's to the point where I'm saying "What's the point, other than killing off characters?" Other than that it doesn't seem like Martin has a strong hook to his stories. In fact, you could skip whole sections of the books and miss out on virtually nothing of meaning.

This guy seems to be writing the never ending story. Plus his agent recently suggested that he may not have a strong plan on how to even bring the thing to a close.

http://www.hypable.com/2014/06/02/anne-groell-george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2/.


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The TV series is decent entertainment, but it seems like the books have begun to lose steam. It's to the point where I'm saying "What's the point, other than killing off characters?" Other than that it doesn't seem like Martin has a strong hook to his stories. In fact, you could skip whole sections of the books and miss out on virtually nothing of meaning.

This guy seems to be writing the never ending story. Plus his agent recently suggested that he may not have a strong plan on how to even bring the thing to a close.

http://www.hypable.com/2014/06/02/anne-groell-george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2/.

I was always told by writers the hardest thing to do is end a good story.. Lets be real here man this could EASILY be a never ending story. Look how many characters there are, look how EASILY new ones can be added. Shit the Story of Fire and Ice have backstories that could be 5 books on their own. How do you end a story with so many people that have been wronged and chances for revenge? That's a hard ass job
 
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My question is this though, the TV show has exhausted certain main characters like Sansa, yet Danearys story hasn't really even taken off yet as far as where they are compared to the book. So I guess now Sansa story will no longer be from the book because there isn't shit left.
 
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The TV series is decent entertainment, but it seems like the books have begun to lose steam. It's to the point where I'm saying "What's the point, other than killing off characters?" Other than that it doesn't seem like Martin has a strong hook to his stories. In fact, you could skip whole sections of the books and miss out on virtually nothing of meaning.

This guy seems to be writing the never ending story. Plus his agent recently suggested that he may not have a strong plan on how to even bring the thing to a close.

http://www.hypable.com/2014/06/02/anne-groell-george-r-r-martin-the-winds-of-winter-2/.
I used to think portions of the book were slow as fuck and I would half-read them only to discover the exposition laid out in those chapters that comes back in chapters of even books later. I then would have to go back and reread those chapters I half-assed.

For a series this vast and this long, you have to focus on the dramatic arc of the story.
Exposition
Rising Action
Climax
Falling Action
Denouement

When you take a couple steps back and look at things this way, you understand better why things are laid out the way they are.

For example: the Danereys storyline bores the shit out of me. So does Bran and at times Jon Snow, but you know the culmination of the entire series is going to lay at the feet of the three of them. All of this is leading up to a climax and ultimately the denouement.
 
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My question is this though, the TV show has exhausted certain main characters like Sansa, yet Danearys story hasn't really even taken off yet as far as where they are compared to the book. So I guess now Sansa story will no longer be from the book because there isn't shit left.

Has everyone read Dance with Dragons yet? I think the ending of Dance indicated that GRRM decided to solve the Merenese knot by basically cutting it to pieces. Danaeary flying off and meeting up with the remnants of the Drogo's army was a clear indication of how things are going to proceed.

If true, I think the whole Merenese storyline is going to be compressed next season. I'm re-reading dance and that stuff is really boring to me.

The show runners know more than we do so they can put some stuff on the show support the end game way ahead of the books. I think that's what's happening with Sansa. She's getting the advanced class in Westeros Game theory because she needs to become a player next season.
 
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I used to think portions of the book were slow as fuck and I would half-read them only to discover the exposition laid out in those chapters that comes back in chapters of even books later. I then would have to go back and reread those chapters I half-assed.

For a series this vast and this long, you have to focus on the dramatic arc of the story.
Exposition
Rising Action
Climax
Falling Action
Denouement

When you take a couple steps back and look at things this way, you understand better why things are laid out the way they are.

For example: the Danereys storyline bores the shit out of me. So does Bran and at times Jon Snow, but you know the culmination of the entire series is going to lay at the feet of the three of them. All of this is leading up to a climax and ultimately the denouement.

I agree 100%. People hate on Feast for Crows, but think of it as the middle book in a 7 part series and it does exactly what MonkeyBiz suggested. It's the calm before the storm. The only real fault I have with GRRM is he introduced a major new character in book 5 that doesn't fit into the narrative so far. which leads me to believe things will go bad for that character quickly.
 
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I agree 100%. People hate on Feast for Crows, but think of it as the middle book in a 7 part series and it does exactly what MonkeyBiz suggested. It's the calm before the storm. The only real fault I have with GRRM is he introduced a major new character in book 5 that doesn't fit into the narrative so far. which leads me to believe things will go bad for that character quickly.
I used to question GRRM's vision and ability to effectively tell this story. My faith in him would be restored as I'd keep reading and see how relevant all that superfluous shit meant as the story moved forward.

Be clear - Dany's ability to lead and rule will be the major storyline once she hits Westeros. All of this exposition is the foundation for what is the come and the resolution of the story. Stories come full circle.
 
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I used to question GRRM's vision and ability to effectively tell this story. My faith in him would be restored as I'd keep reading and see how relevant all that superfluous shit meant as the story moved forward.

Be clear - Dany's ability to lead and rule will be the major storyline once she hits Westeros. All of this exposition is the foundation for what is the come and the resolution of the story. Stories come full circle.

I really think the whole Mereen situation was just about buying GRRM some time to allow her Dragons to grow. Dany really makes a mess of most things while she was there. The whole history of the Targaryaens was about taking names and kicking ass (as long as they had Dragons). Only a few of them were actually effective as rulers.

No, I believe that ultimately Dany will be drawn back to Westeros not to rule, but to lead the people in a fight against the Others per the prophecies. She may not even survive it but that's her destiny IMO.

The wild cards are cats like Euron Crow Eye and his damn dragon horn, Littlefinger, and Melisandre. One or all of them is going to do some major fuckery soon
 
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I really think the whole Mereen situation was just about buying GRRM some time to allow her Dragons to grow. Dany really makes a mess of most things while she was there. The whole history of the Targaryaens was about taking names and kicking ass (as long as they had Dragons). Only a few of them were actually effective as rulers.

No, I believe that ultimately Dany will be drawn back to Westeros not to rule, but to lead the people in a fight against the Others per the prophecies. She may not even survive it but that's her destiny IMO.

The wild cards are cats like Euron Crow Eye and his damn dragon horn, Littlefinger, and Melisandre. One or all of them is going to do some major fuckery soon
Ha! I forgot all about the Others. What is the ultimate conflict?
Three main stories: The Others, Battle of the 5 Kings, Dany's mission to reclaim the throne.

Obviously these 3 storylines will coalesce soon and ultimately decide the resolution of the books. If Dany brings back her dragons, I don't see how the Others (or anyone for that matter) has a chance. But then, I don't see how she'll have all 3 dragons. Something has to happen to at least one of them. In true Targaeryan fashion, the dragons need riders and there are only 2 Targareyans left, maybe three if you feel that Jon Snow is a Targareyan.

GRRM needs to hurry the fuck up.
 
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I was always told by writers the hardest thing to do is end a good story.. Lets be real here man this could EASILY be a never ending story. Look how many characters there are, look how EASILY new ones can be added. Shit the Story of Fire and Ice have backstories that could be 5 books on their own. How do you end a story with so many people that have been wronged and chances for revenge? That's a hard ass job

I agree with everything you said,but GRRM needs to hurry up

I think he's doing this,just to piss fans off...:lol::smh::hmm:







My question is this though, the TV show has exhausted certain main characters like Sansa, yet Danearys story hasn't really even taken off yet as far as where they are compared to the book. So I guess now Sansa story will no longer be from the book because there isn't shit left.

Im curious to see,how they do Sansa's story next season,since her story is caught up..

Since Weiss and Benioff knows the end of the book,I think they're going to put some of her "Winds of Winter" story next season...



I agree 100%. People hate on Feast for Crows, but think of it as the middle book in a 7 part series and it does exactly what MonkeyBiz suggested. It's the calm before the storm. The only real fault I have with GRRM is he introduced a major new character in book 5 that doesn't fit into the narrative so far. which leads me to believe things will go bad for that character quickly.

I don't understand the hate that "Feast for Crows" gets...I actually like that book,since most of the majority of the main characters in the book..


People hate that book,but like "A Dance with Dragons" and yet A Dragons with Dragons is basically an extension to Feast for Crows....:smh::smh:
 
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I was always told by writers the hardest thing to do is end a good story.. Lets be real here man this could EASILY be a never ending story. Look how many characters there are, look how EASILY new ones can be added. Shit the Story of Fire and Ice have backstories that could be 5 books on their own. How do you end a story with so many people that have been wronged and chances for revenge? That's a hard ass job

It took Stephen King about 30 years to finish his dark tower series and now it's almost 20 years since the first asofai book...When it's done 8th done I guess:dunno:
 
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I didn't know there was a 4th continent in the series...

I knew about Essos,Westeros and Sothoryos...but the fourth one is called Ulthos
 
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George R.R. Martin clarifies his publishing plan, talks 'Thrones' changes


The distinction is a big deal since HBO’s Game of Thrones is based on his novels, and the show’s assortment of character narratives is rapidly reaching the point where it’s catching up the stories chronicled in his bestselling books (of which five have been published). We turned to Martin to clear things up. The author explains he’s not secretly plotting eight books and that seven books remains his plan. As always, however, he leaves himself wiggle room in case his tale unexpectedly expands.
“My plan is to finish in seven,” Martin says. “But my original plan was to finish in three. I write the stories and they grow. I deal with certain things and sometimes I find myself not at the end of a story. My plan right now is still seven. But first I have to finish Book Six. Get back to me when I’m half-way through Book Seven and then maybe I’ll tell you something more meaningful.”

Martin has been consistent on this subject, giving basically the same answer when we asked if he was “firmly committed” to seven books back in 2011 (“I’m as firm as I am,” Martin said, “until I decide not to be firm”).



The author also chatted briefly about the current fourth season of Thrones, for which he has high regards.“It’s been a great season,” says Martin, who specifically praised Pedro Pascal for his performance as the doomed Prince Oberyn Martell. “Though by and large we are seeing more differences from the books and I’ve been predicting that from the beginning. There’s a certain snowball effect of making changes and I think that will continue.”

We asked if there was any change he particularly liked, or didn’t. “I like many of the new scenes they’ve inserted along the way, though I miss the things they leave out,” Martin says. “Obviously I put those scenes in the books for a reason, I felt they added to the story. As I’ve been saying for years, I wish they had more hours — every time I see another HBO show I wonder why we only have 10 and they have 13. But we’ve done some major stuff this year. The Purple Wedding and Tyrion’s trial — with incredible performances by Peter Dinklage and Sibel Kekilli. And the trial by combat was amazing, too. I’m really looking forward to next week as I’m told we have a battle that dwarfs the Battle of the Blackwater.”

That said, given the amount of story remaining in his 4000-page saga — much of which hasn’t yet been published — Martin suspects the producers’ plan of making seven seasons will not be enough. “I don’t think it will be enough to tell the story we’re telling in the books,” he says.

Martin also is an advocate for one solution to the books vs. series timeline issue — capping the Thrones with staggered feature films. The proposal (which Martin notes did not originate with him) would give the author more time to finish his saga, while also giving producers the bigger theatrical budget that his as-yet-unpublished climactic battle scenes are expected to require. HBO leadership has been on record as not being a fan of this idea, however, as the network is primarily a television company, and its mission is to create compelling content for its subscribers. “Ever since I heard that idea I’ve been both excited by it — I think it would be great — and I’ve been skeptical about it because I’ve heard of a number of other shows that were [supposedly going to have movies] like Deadwood, Rome and even The Sopranos, and the only one I’ve actually seen is Sex and the City,” Martin says.

Next, Martin has his upcoming Ice and Fire companion book, The World of Ice & Fire: The Untold History of Westeros, which will be published in October. As always, to keep up with Martin’s progress, check out his blog.


http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/03/george-r-r-martin-ice-and-fire-publishing-plan-game-of-thrones/
 
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Good info above.

I used to be upset at the pace at which the books were coming out, but the show has offset a lot of that. I also can appreciate GRRMs philosophy to an extent. He knows this is his swan song. He's never going to do anything left in his life that's going to equal this series. So he's milking it and I can't really blame him. Dude had a whole career in TV, books, scriptwriting and was basically an unknown outside the industry. I've read a lot of fantasy/ Sci Fi for 30+ years and I never heard of him prior to picking up the paperback of Game of Thrones in 1998

Now dude is on Late night talk shows, hosting conventions, getting sexy cosplay girls up in his suite at comicons :lol:. He's living it up and I don't blame him.

The publisher probably got serious contingency plans if he kicks the bucket. They'll find a writer that will finish it off. There's too much money on the table.
 
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I see a crossbow in someone's hand in the preview for next week. People are gonna shit:dance:
 
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I see a crossbow in someone's hand in the preview for next week. People are gonna shit:dance:

didn't see it...who?

*edit*

wait...tyrion?
 
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I don't understand why people are bitching about having no Stannis.....:smh:

Unless,they're making the last episode 70 minutes long, why are they ending the episodes,so early..

I enjoyed this episode more than the Blackwater episode...:cool:
 
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I don't understand why people are bitching about having no Stannis.....:smh:

Unless,they're making the last episode 70 minutes long, why are they ending the episodes,so early..

I enjoyed this episode more than the Blackwater episode...:cool:
Why show Stannis at the Great Bank if he wasn't coming to save the day? Unless they want to jam pack the final episode next week.
 
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Why did the wildings attack at the 1 spot on the wall that is defended? Why didn't they go

over somewhere else? Why didn't they go to the spot where ygrit and crew went too?

there's only 100 crows what's the big deal?
 
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