Will the Lakers get swept

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

brainless frauds like marc stein were probably frustrated water boys or equipment managers in their youth.

apparently cheerleading cocksuckers like marc stein are revisionist pricks.

in bashing the real basketball players on the fakers (the ones NOT named tobe), marc stein overlooked the FACT that in Q3, lamar odom, luke walton, and jordan farmar DIDN'T MISS A SINGLE FGA.

lamar odom 4-4 FGAs
luke walton 3-3 FGAs
jordan farmar 2-2 FGAs

and tobe?

 

[LordSinister]

Kobe was a straight bitch in the 4th quarter.

There, I said it.

Either drive and dish, or be a decoy. If he slows his fuckin roll, the Lakers can make a series of it, if not, they might get one or two wins.

 

[TimRock]

I was pissed. The whole team is to blame. Kobe taking all those damn shots and missing. His teammates are to blame as well, if he missed his last 8 shots, why would they keep giving him the ball (even if the coaches say so). He has 3 people in his face, give the damn ball up. And why are they making Garbosa (I know, its Barbosa) look like Mike Jordan? Good question, why wasn't kobe guarding him? Smush or Jordan should have switched to Bell. Why didnt Phil make this adjustment?

Wasnt there a period where Odom sat for extremely too long? I think he played good in the first half, controlled the paint and got to the basket easily. I dont think the Suns have anyone that can guard him. Bynum played well also. Even Kwame looked good at times (even though he blew a dunk).

My prediction for the Lakers, trade Kobe. Lakers out in 5. Phil retires.

 

[dr8k3ked]

fok phil jackson and his comments, kobe is the Troof.. I called this series 5-1 in favor of lakers..

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

Rephrasing a question can definitely bring it into perspective.

Kobe is in his 10th or 11 season now right? The reality of the matter is that it will take something drastic in order for him to change his game. I can't understood how a person can be so dense that they do not understand the fact that until you change your actions...you can't change the results. Kobe really is beginning to strike me as a person that has a serious character flaw...the inability to look within and come to the realization of their personal flaws and be accountable for them. If you can't do that, it is impossible to change. This is beginning to strike me as beyond just basketball IQ... this is someone who has the ego of a young child...there is a serious lack of maturity there.. something is just not there mentality with this dude...

It does not take a genius to do one or both of the following

Realize that your shot is not falling and:

1.Drive hard to the basket and force contact...especially given Phoenix is not exactly a defensive team.especially in the pain.

2. Penetrate and draw help defense..and the HIT THE OPEN MAN.

Please...someone tell me that this has crossed his fucking mind. This is shit you learn in the pee-wee leagues as a kid. It is only the logical thing to do when your shot is not falling.

Ala Baron Davis

37-14???????? Those are stats.

The most fraudlent thing about Who Me? is he saves his energy strictly for the offense....

33 shots and 1 assist?

BS

 

[SpiritualPorn]

^^^

damn..what a bunch of bullshit.. Odom had 17 points and 16 rebounds and he is catching blame for "not having the impact he had last year against the Suns"? it was walton's fault shot over 50 percent and didnt get the ball in the post when he had mismatches? and he also had 6 boards and 6 assists.

With all the fault being laid to other players..why did the writer not mention Kobe had 33 chucks and ONE assists



is this all some big fucking joke? I am really beginning to think I'm in the twilight zone

Co Mutafucking Sign


He certainly didnt get tired playing Defense

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

tobe's ENTIRE career is proof of what a monumentally stupid basketball player he is. dim-witted tobe fans don't understand that they've witnessed it unfold before their very own eyes.

2003 - in a self-centered experiment, tobe unilaterally decides to test his hypothesis that he can carry the fakers instead of shaquille o'neal. in what would be the fakers final playoff series, tobe averages an unprecedented 26.5 FGAs and the fakers are kicked out. (more than 3 FGAs per game above his season average)

2004 - motivated to prove doubters wrong, and to avenge the spoiling of his failed coming out party in 2003, tobe's childish ego continues the experiment. in a failed championship bid, tobe averages an unprecedented 22.6 FGAs and the fakers are kicked out. (more than 4 FGAs per game above his season average)

2005 - given the green light by fakers' owner jerry buss, and no longer having to compete in the hulking shadow of shaquille o'neal, tobe isn't able to grasp a simple offense that was CUSTOM BUILT for tobe by coach tomjonavich. tobe averages CAREER LOWs in FG% and CAREER HIGHS in TOs before having coach tomjanovich fired.

2006 and 2007 - the emergence of the tobe dichotomy: tobe the passer/facilitator v. tobe the shooter/scorer. the very existence of this dichotomy is UNDENIABLE proof that tobe IS FAR AND AWAY THE dumbest euro to ever play the game. it's also UNDENIABLE proof of why tobe is NOT an elite player.

what ADULT player has ever needed to ration shots before? first half pass, second half score?

what ADULT player has ever needed to have his spots chosen for him?

elite players (usually PGs) such as earvin johnson have an uncannily accurate internal barometer for measuring the ebb and flow of game tempo on the fly. these types of players have a "feel" for the flow of the game that alerts them of when to strike and when to ease up. earvin johnson could determine what his teams needed from moment to moment, and didn't have to wear a different hat based on which half he was playing in.

elite players such as larry bird, who weren't blessed with tremendous physical ability, could see a play develop 2 or 3 steps ahead, and could utilize all of his weapons to defeat an opponent. larry bird didn't have to always shoot over the top of the defense to hurt an opponent, he understood that there was also strength in numbers. these types of players understand that involving teammates makes you a more formidable opponent, not a weaker one. they understand that you can not choose to be one or the other depending upon what quarter you're in.

elite players such as michael jordan (with high competitive drive) understand the psychological concept of momentum, and could sense a moment of fear, weakness, or uncertainty in opponents. michael jordan understood how and when a team could best exploit an opponent's weakness. players like michael jordan didn't need to be told to pass one half and shoot the next.

PATHETIC how tobe fans can acknowledge the dichotomy, but are unable to recognize the significance.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

Ala Baron Davis

37-14???????? Those are stats.



BS

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

for the poker players on the board, tobe has developed a "tell"

usually tobe will begin behind the 3 point line, giving him the option to shoot over the top of the D or to penetrate. this forces the D to respect his outside shot.

but tonight, tobe is beginning (and ending) his possessions inside the arc. that is allowing the phoenix D to comfort of not having to anticipate tobe's next move.

interesting.

p.s. WhoTF actually thinks jordan farmar is truly playing better D on steve nash than william parker?

 

[Spectrum]

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Damn..Barbosa is a beast off the bench...17 points of 14 minutes in the first half..he is killing the lakers..

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

JAVIER RODRIGUEZ took 1 FGA in Q2...

has the sandbagging begun already?

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

2006 and 2007 - the emergence of the tobe dichotomy: tobe the passer/facilitator v. tobe the shooter/scorer. the very existence of this dichotomy is UNDENIABLE proof that tobe IS FAR AND AWAY THE dumbest euro to ever play the game. it's also UNDENIABLE proof of why tobe is NOT an elite player.

what ADULT player has ever needed to ration shots before? first half pass, second half score?

what ADULT player has ever needed to have his spots chosen for him?

elite players (usually PGs) such as earvin johnson have an uncannily accurate internal barometer for measuring the ebb and flow of game tempo on the fly. these types of players have a "feel" for the flow of the game that alerts them of when to strike and when to ease up. earvin johnson could determine what his teams needed from moment to moment, and didn't have to wear a different hat based on which half he was playing in.

elite players such as larry bird, who weren't blessed with tremendous physical ability, could see a play develop 2 or 3 steps ahead, and could utilize all of his weapons to defeat an opponent. larry bird didn't have to always shoot over the top of the defense to hurt an opponent, he understood that there was also strength in numbers. these types of players understand that involving teammates makes you a more formidable opponent, not a weaker one. they understand that you can not choose to be one or the other depending upon what quarter you're in.

elite players such as michael jordan (with high competitive drive) understand the psychological concept of momentum, and could sense a moment of fear, weakness, or uncertainty in opponents. michael jordan understood how and when a team could best exploit an opponent's weakness. players like michael jordan didn't need to be told to pass one half and shoot the next.

PATHETIC how tobe fans can acknowledge the dichotomy, but are unable to recognize the significance.

tobe couldn't have proven my point any better than this game tonight.

the tin man has 1 FGA as the fakers' deficit almost doubles in Q2.

what elite player doesn't understand the concept of "finding a middle ground"? why does it have to be shoot or pass. why not both?

 

[Spectrum]

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tobe couldn't have proven my point any better than this game tonight.

the tin man has 1 FGA as the fakers' deficit almost doubles in Q2.

what elite player doesn't understand the concept of "finding a middle ground"? why does it have to be shoot or pass. why not both?

Ironic right

 

[Havoc]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

tobe couldn't have proven my point any better than this game tonight.

the tin man has 1 FGA as the fakers' deficit almost doubles in Q2.

what elite player doesn't understand the concept of "finding a middle ground"? why does it have to be shoot or pass. why not both?

I think he could do a lot of things well, and for each thing, this board would have something equally negative to say. Reason for thinking that: pretty much every post in this thread.

I must admit that coming into the playoffs my expectations were a bit lower than last year's, but I still feel as though we stand a chance of beating Phoenix. I guess we'll see.

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

Yeah probably or maybe lose 4-1 but let me tell you this Phoenix fans fucking suck. Any set of fans that cheer when a player gets injured are simply bitches for real and have no class.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

I think he could do a lot of things well, and for each thing, this board would have something equally negative to say. Reason for thinking that: pretty much every post in this thread.

I must admit that coming into the playoffs my expectations were a bit lower than last year's, but I still feel as though we stand a chance of beating Phoenix. I guess we'll see.

I have a serious question. I am not talking shit either. I really want your opinion as both a Laker and Kobe fan.

Do you find it troubling that the NBA's scoring champion and a man who ran off a string of 50 point games against sub 500 teams is in the playoffs with only 15 points with less than 8 minutes today.. especially considering the game 7 of last year's first round against the same team where he took 1 field goal attempt in the second half?

Also, do you find it troubling that Kobe's scoring product consistently DECREASING in the playoffs in comparison to his regular season numbers?

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

I have a serious question. I am not talking shit either. I really want your opinion as both a Laker and Kobe fan.

Do you find it troubling that the NBA's scoring champion and a man who ran off a string of 50 point games against sub 500 teams is in the playoffs with only 15 points with less than 8 minutes today.. especially considering the game 7 of last year's first round against the same team where he took 1 field goal attempt in the second half?

Also, do you find it troubling that Kobe's scoring product consistently DECREASING in the playoffs in comparison to his regular season numbers?

If he was to drop 40+ and still lose there would still be something negative. The team as a whole is not playing good ball at all. For example on Sundays game they got caught in that "watching Kobe" mode I seen Kwame grab an offensive board under the basket and did he go back up? no he looked for Kobe and passed it to him. Lamar can dominate Marion and Diaw in the post does he post them consistently? The other players are standing around defensively and offensively the team sucks as a whole. He cannot drop these big games every night of a 7 game series thats too easy for teams to key on. There needs to be more ball movement and from all players and when they are open hit that jumper or drive in and get those layups/dunks. This group of players are not mixing together and Bitch Kupchak needs to make a trade that doesn't involve Luke(unless its for a big name i.e Garnett) or Bynum. I didn't even answer your question Yeah and No. I see the Lakers strategy by having him pick spots so of course that dips the average but then it seems like they needed him to be aggressive tonight. To be honest I rather Kobe as a 25-28 point scorer and the occassional 50 point outburst when needed, but he needs more active players for that kind of team to be sucessful

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

If he was to drop 40+ and still lose there would still be something negative. The team as a whole is not playing good ball at all. For example on Sundays game they got caught in that "watching Kobe" mode I seen Kwame grab an offensive board under the basket and did he go back up? no he looked for Kobe and passed it to him. Lamar can dominate Marion and Diaw in the post does he post them consistently? The other players are standing around defensively and offensively the team sucks as a whole. He cannot drop these big games every night of a 7 game series thats too easy for teams to key on. There needs to be more ball movement and from all players and when they are open hit that jumper or drive in and get those layups/dunks. This group of players are not mixing together and Bitch Kupchak needs to make a trade that doesn't involve Luke(unless its for a big name i.e Garnett) or Bynum.

But you dont find it troubling that he took 1 shot the entire second half

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

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But you dont find it troubling that he took 1 shot the entire second half

Hell yeah I cant even pin point why its not as if the suns play great team defense and its not like if Kobe is not a competitor to be honest I really dont understand

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

dagger in heart.

lamar odom just said "this team has no camaraderie."

i wonder why?

 

[Havoc]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

I have a serious question. I am not talking shit either. I really want your opinion as both a Laker and Kobe fan.

Do you find it troubling that the NBA's scoring champion and a man who ran off a string of 50 point games against sub 500 teams is in the playoffs with only 15 points with less than 8 minutes today.. especially considering the game 7 of last year's first round against the same team where he took 1 field goal attempt in the second half?

Also, do you find it troubling that Kobe's scoring product consistently DECREASING in the playoffs in comparison to his regular season numbers?

To the first question, no. I look at his teammates and think about how many of them would be starting for another team and I laugh at the sheer ludicrousness of the idea. You can't honestly hope to pin this playoff loss on Kobe alone. Then too, it's like he can shoot or pass or do both and he'll still be criticized for doing something wrong (probably forgot to shake a fan's hand or something). I'm ready to see Phil Jackson do something with this team next year. For the last time, #24 is not the problem on the Lakers. They need better, more experienced players. I'm not sure where they'll come from, but they need to come ASAP.

-Lamar Odom's 10 rebounds look nice, but that 4-12 shooting has got to go.
-Kwame "Stone Hands" Brown was credited with only one turnover, but I've seen him play before. I know just how bad he is at catching a pass in the post. Too bad there isn't a stat for dropped/lost passes. He'd lead the league every year. In fact, if I were him, I'd feel bad for letting the kid Bynum outplay him in this game.

-Luke Walton couldn't buy a shot tonight (2-8!!)

There are other problems with the Lakers, but tonight every one of them seemed to come to a head. Hopefully we'll rally back from this one.


To the last question, no. I don't find it troubling if his teammates' scoring goes up as a result of his scoring decreasing.

I'm sure there are as many nights where Phil Jackson is like "Fuck it, Kobe go out there and make something happen" as there are where he's like "Kobe, stop shooting. Let's see what we're paying these other guys for."

 

[cranrab]

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tobe, like his fans, is delusional:

(On where this loss ranks in his playoff career) “We’ve had our butts kicked pretty well before, going back to 1999 and some series that we had back in the day. This is certainly one of them.”

uh, in the 1999 post season, the fakers lost 1 game to houston by 14 points, and they also lost a game to the spurs by 12 points (while getting swept).

funny, but in my book, 14 does not equal 28, nor does 12 equal 28. even 14 + 12 does not equal 28!

 

[cranrab]

Re: Will the fakers get swept

If he was to drop 40+ and still lose there would still be something negative.

that's a possibility. scoring does not automatically mean a player played well. how efficient was the scoring? did they player's poor D render 40+ right back to the opponent? of course these things matter.

apparently, tobe and his fans only can remember what he does on the O side of the ball.

examine these quotes from post game 2:

“It’s not like we have the best talent in the league so we really have to pride ourselves on playing hard all the time. All the time. That’s tough to do on the road, especially for a younger team, because the energy in the building is against you. Going home should help a lot. Hopefully we can get some of that energy, feed off of that, and give it 110 percent.

(On whether the Lakers are as talented as the Suns) “Talent-wise, if we try to go mano-a-mano with them, absolutely not. The Phoenix Suns are an incredibly deep team and that’s true for many teams in the league. WE have to paly a smarter game, we have to play hard, we have to win the hustle points and we have to execute well. We have to play better defense. Giving up the transition points that we gave up, you don’t give yourself a chance in that ball game.”

the 2nd group of quotes about playing smarter, and playing better defense are especially interesting, considering that people WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAME know that it was tobe who didn't check shawn marion on the run out which resulted in a 50 foot lob from steve nash. people WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAME know that it was tobe who couldn't stay with his assignment (raja bell), which left the entire fakers D out of alignment. people WHO ACTUALLY WATCHED THE GAME know that it was tobe who frequently didn't rotate correctly and was out of position in the transition D.

tobe and his fans aren't able to objectively watch what really occurs on the floor.

 

[hanginbals]

Bring out the Brooms

 

[ebonymanej]

well I was wrong they won tonight

 

[Spectrum]

Not a sweep...didn't get a chance to watch the game... but although not a large number, but the fact that Kobe had 6 assists and lead the team in that category while also shooting a high percentage was a good sign for the Lakers... Odum and Brown stepped up.

 

[cranrab]

Re: fakers

probably not.

coach d'antoni runs that euro O in phoenix, and everybody has a chance in that style of play.

told you so.