why tobe has fans

[cranrab]

or more accurately, why tobe has non-homosexual fans:

click this link and read a few pages:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591841003/?tag=vp314-20

 

[cranrab]

too lazy to read a few pages and want a summary?

http://www.sethgodin.com/liars/Liarsexcerpt.pdf

 

[xfactor]

It's really funny when you sit back and listen to them.

But as I've said before, the Wobe fans don't really bother me, until they start making outlandish comments like "Wobe is the best player in the NBA" and "Wobe is the closest thing or Wobe is greater than Michael Jordan" and that is when I normally have to comment.

Wobe is the most overrated player the NBA has had in my lifetime but Shaquille O'Neal is the main reason for it as without O'Neal carrying the lakers to a 3peat, I doubt the hype machine would be on Wobe as much.

Another thing I've noticed about Wobe fans is that they love to spread lies and falsehoods about Wobe (which is OK) but they also go out of their way to bash better players like LeBron James, Chris Paul, Shaquille O'Neal (yeah LordSinister) or Kevin Garnett.

And then you have the Wobe fans, which are the majority, and then you have the true lakers fans, although there are not many of the latter.

***EDIT***

Josh Howard just admitted on air that he smokes weed in the off-season.

 

[xfactor]

cranrab or any one else,

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I was reading RF's favorite site, REAL GM, and the question was asked - Would Elgin Baylor be the best player in the NBA if he was currently playing today.

Baylor retired way before I was born so I've never seen him play but some of the posters were actually saying that Baylor wouldn't even make a team in today's NBA.

Just interested to hear the opinions of some of the vets

 

[cranrab]

Another thing I've noticed about Wobe fans is that they love to spread lies and falsehoods about Wobe (which is OK) but they also go out of their way to bash better players like LeBron James, Chris Paul, Shaquille O'Neal (yeah LordSinister) or Kevin Garnett.

Josh Howard just admitted on air that he smokes weed in the off-season.

that's precisly what the author (who is an american MARKETING guru) was focusing on. people (in this discussion, tobe fans) tend to rely on STORIES, and prefer STORIES over FACT.

so when presented with FACT, they are not only hesitant to entertain it, they are resistant to it.

as far as the josh howard story, i need a "captain obvious" pic.

 

[cranrab]

Would Elgin Baylor be the best player in the NBA if he was currently playing today.

it's not hijacking this thread. in fact, it's very relevant. to the point, tobe is a product of MARKETING a story over FACT.

to answer your question, elgin baylor's popularity would depend largely upon how his handlers MARKETED him.

elgin baylor was a prolific shooter and profoundly talented scorer (remember, no 3 point line). but as i've pointed out in more than a few threads, he was also a distraction and at times detrimental to his team. note how the fakers did not go on the historic run until IMMEDIATELY after elgin baylor retired. note also how jerry west could NOT win a championship until IMMEDIATELY after elgin baylor retired.

I've never seen him play but some of the posters were actually saying that Baylor wouldn't even make a team in today's NBA.

elgin baylor might not play the same POSITION in today's league, but he was such a gifted scorer that i have NO doubt he would be able to make (and keep) a STARTING roster spot. those ass clowns (like the ones on BGOL) probably don't remember/know that elgin baylor simultaneously played NBA games ON WEEKEND LEAVE DURING HIS MILITARY SERVICE!

(and some people want to talk about how taxing it was to fly in a private jet to play in games to appear before a judge for preliminary court dates)

the subject of elgin baylor also has a comical twist, because tobe once gave an interview in which he stated (LIED) he had watched footage of a particular historic game of elgin baylor's. being his typically stupid self, tobe didn't know that there wasn't any video of that game, because UNLIKE TODAY, not all games were televised. and of those games that WERE televised, many of them were NOT shown live, so people would frequently MISS watching the games.

BTW, if you come across any sites with particularly fervent tobe fans, put together a list of 5-10 of those sites for me and post it here. i need to spam them with my blog address.

 

[ak_rep]

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

The masses are supposed to hate those at the top of their game. No matter what arena it's in. If your spending time to find this kind of information to support your dislike of a person, then you can also spend it bettering yourself. I tend to think that it's not that those people really hate the super starts/successful people personally. What they hate is that it holds a big mirror up to yourself. And it forces you to come to some stark revelations: Maybe I'm not working hard enough to discover and create my own dream life?

Just my 2cents

But hey, I don't know shit.

 

[cranrab]

But hey, I don't know shit.

smartest thing you ever wrote, because if you knew who i was, you'd realize how incredibly DUMB all that jib jab speculation was. you tobe stans love to play the internet-psychologists!

put the false pride away. store it on the shelf. learn some humility, and you'll find the truth won't hurt quite so much.

just my .02

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

smartest thing you ever wrote, because if you knew who i was, you'd realize how incredibly DUMB all that jib jab speculation was. you tobe stans love to play the internet-psychologists!

put the false pride away. store it on the shelf. learn some humility, and you'll find the truth won't hurt quite so much.

just my .02

Interesting....

 

[cranrab]

Interesting....

isn't it?

either humility or the scientific method.

take your pick.

remember how copernicus pissed off the catholics?

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

isn't it?

either humility or the scientific method.

take your pick.

remember how copernicus pissed off the catholics?

Wondering something: How much time does Kobe spend talking about us?

 

[cranrab]

Wondering something: How much time does Kobe spend talking about us?

wrong forum.

why don't you table the topic for discussion at the next fan club meeting?

question: do they suspend your membership if you haven't copped the "24" jersey, or can you still rock the "8"?

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

wrong forum.

why don't you table the topic for discussion at the next fan club meeting?

question: do they suspend your membership if you haven't copped the "24" jersey, or can you still rock the "8"?

It's interesting how strong you feel about this topic. You dislike Kobe, yet you keep him...I mean his name in your mouth so often, I would think you two used to date. If he puts a bad taste in your mouth, then spit. Or is it that your prefer to swallow?

 

[cranrab]

It's interesting how strong you feel about this topic. You dislike Kobe, yet you keep him...I mean his name in your mouth so often, I would think you two used to date. If he puts a bad taste in your mouth, then spit. Or is it that your prefer to swallow?

wait a minute.

YOU came into THIS thread, right?



on top of that, you made no comment about the original topic, nor have you offered anything on the elgin baylor question.

newsflash. you're in the SPORTS forum. can you contribute anything? or do you just troll BGOL forums looking for tobe threads?

right.

EDIT: for that matter, have you ever contributed substantively to ANY thread (not just mine) on the SPORTS board?

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

wait a minute.

YOU came into THIS thread, right?



on top of that, you made no comment about the original topic, nor have you offered anything on the elgin baylor question.

newsflash. you're in the SPORTS forum. can you contribute anything? or do you just troll BGOL forums looking for tobe threads?

right.

EDIT: for that matter, have you ever contributed substantively to ANY thread (not just mine) on the SPORTS board?

misdirection huh?

 

[cranrab]

misdirection huh?

not at all.

speaks to your "strong feelings" that compel you to enter threads but queerly not contribute anything.



EDIT: thanks for proving the author correct.

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

not at all.

speaks to your "strong feelings" that compel you to enter threads but queerly not contribute anything.



EDIT: thanks for proving the author correct.

Its clear that you have a real issue with Kobe. I'm not sure why, but its enough to make threads about it. That's cool. It is what it is. There is always going to be opposing views on everything. Even if some are from those who ignore all facts and only look for those that might confirm theirs delusions.

 

[cranrab]

Even if some are from those how ignore all facts and only look for those that might confirm their delusions.

spoken like a true tobe fan.

maybe you did read the author after all.

thanks.

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

spoken like a true tobe fan.

maybe you did read the author after all.

thanks.

Right..........................Let's wait and see how your theory's about Kobe being "over-hyped" pan out.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I keep telling yall to stop denigrating my boy like that!!!
I got a Die-Cut, Refractor Kobe ROOKIE card and if you
keep this up, it ain't gonna be worth nothing!!! I would
like to collect on my "investment" please

So please, please, please....Stop it!

 

[xfactor]

I mean his name in your mouth so often, I would think you two used to date. If he puts a bad taste in your mouth, then spit. Or is it that your prefer to swallow?

Comments like these are the real reason why these ""Wobe is overrated debates get so personal because his fans never have any factual information to support their claims that Wobe is the "greatest in the NBA" so they all resort to personal attacks of the person that is exposing Wobe or of other current players that are way more talented or have accomplished much more.

Like cranrab said, RB has not posted ONE fact about Wobe's game or answered anything related to the Elgin Baylor question. He only came in here to defend Wobe with personal attacks on cranrab

But his behavior is quite predictable actually. Especially when they act like they take the exposures personal and start throwing tantrums like RB is

 

[xfactor]

I keep telling yall to stop denigrating my boy like that!!!
I got a Die-Cut, Refractor Kobe ROOKIE card and if you
keep this up, it ain't gonna be worth nothing!!! I would
like to collect on my "investment" please

So please, please, please....Stop it!

I got a '84-85 Michael Jordan TOPPS Rookie Card. MINT condition.

Want to trade? Based on the recent hoopla in the media stating how Wobe has single handidly carried the lakers to a 2-0 lead over the Nuggets, I'm worried that my card will lose all value by the time Wobe retires. I gotta unload it quick before I can only use it to scrape up crumbs off of the coffee table.

 

[cranrab]

Want to trade?

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!

i'm not gonna let you jump in my thread and get to make first bid on that shit.

RS, i gotta a semi-fine bob thornton card i'll trade you for that tobe card. i need something to pick my teeth with after meals.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I got a '84-85 Michael Jordan TOPPS Rookie Card. MINT condition.

Isn't that card worth like 2 grand or something?? I'd be cashing that bitch in right about now, lol

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!

i'm not gonna let you jump in my thread and get to make first bid on that shit.

RS, i gotta a semi-fine bob thornton card i'll trade you for that tobe card. i need something to pick my teeth with after meals.

No you didn't

 

[SpiritualPorn]

I make this point frequently.

I am in Real Estate. There are people in my field that know the market hand over fist. They know when rates go up, down, all around. They know every school in the area, etc......

Me, I get to know the CLIENT. What they need. Then I tailor my STORY around their interests.

I just listen. Thats all.

If a person asks me about numbers and facts, I have that as well. However there is a REASON they want these things. This is what I get to. It's like the famous line in acting, "What's the MOTIVATION?"

I don't have to lie about anything. It just requires being genuinely concerned with the people I am speaking with.

As far as marketing Kobe is concerned, the most ironic part is the Shaq is the FIRST person I remember calling Kobe "The Best Player In The World". I think it was after a San Antonio game during their championship run. Kobe, sitting right next to Shaq, was caught off guard by the compliment. Kobe has been using the same hype Shaq gave him to maintain his rep.

Kobe fans are mostly delusional. They are parrots of the marketing campaign that surrounds Kobe. The fact that Kobe hasn't been out of the first round since Shaq left escapes them. He will get out of the first round now, however that is in large part due to Gasol.

Even more so, Kobe is not the kind of person I wouldn't trust in everyday life. Any player that can quit on his team, refuse to shoot, and hijack a finals is a loser in my book.

Can he score? Hell yes! Is he a leader? Not if you want to win.

Better than Jordan? LMAO?

If Jordan played with Shaq, it would have been some Celtics 13 in a row type shit.

 

[cranrab]

I am in Real Estate. There are people in my field that know the market hand over fist. They know when rates go up, down, all around. They know every school in the area, etc......

Me, I get to know the CLIENT. What they need. Then I tailor my STORY around their interests.

I just listen. Thats all.

If a person asks me about numbers and facts, I have that as well. However there is a REASON they want these things. This is what I get to. It's like the famous line in acting, "What's the MOTIVATION?"

I don't have to lie about anything. It just requires being genuinely concerned with the people I am speaking with.

that's another aspect of tobe fans that humors me.

most of them are clearly kids, because they cannot translate or synthesize information and apply it to everyday life.

i provide a link to a FREE VALUABLE lesson from one of the foremost marketing gurus in the united states, but they refuse to accept or learn from it because their mancrush dictates they pay it no mind.

that's why it's so obvious we have A LOT of down low cakeboys on BGOL. they can't separate their emotions long enough to realize herein is an opportunity to exercise their minds (learn a lesson, sharpen their reasoning/logic, present/dissect an argument).

 

[LordSinister]

All I know is we about to sweep, Snaq is getting swept, and Kobe got more money than you and eX lax.

BTW, he's now number three on LS's alltime 2 guard list. (Behind Jordan and West)

Oh yeah, Snaq is working on his 7th series sweep.

1994 Magic-Pacers /First round
1995 Magic-Rockets /NBA Finals
1996 Magic-Bulls /Conf. finals
1998 Lakers-Jazz /Conf. finals
1999 Lakers-Spurs /Conf. semifinals
2007 Heat-Bulls /First round

 

[SpiritualPorn]

that's another aspect of tobe fans that humors me.

most of them are clearly kids, because they cannot translate or synthesize information and apply it to everyday life.

i provide a link to a FREE VALUABLE lesson from one of the foremost marketing gurus in the united states, but they refuse to accept or learn from it because their mancrush dictates they pay it no mind.

that's why it's so obvious we have A LOT of down low cakeboys on BGOL. they can't separate their emotions long enough to realize herein is an opportunity to exercise their minds (learn a lesson, sharpen their reasoning/logic, present/dissect an argument).

Most of them have accomplished nothing in life. This is why they live vicariously through Kobe.

Kobe as a individual? Here is a guy that made the jump from High School to the Pros, has done well, and will be rich for years to come. Can't knock that. However as a MAN, I don't see much I respect from here. When the going gets tough is when you see the true character of a person. Whenever Kobe has had to deal with adversity, there is a side of him that comes out that shows us he is not what he claims to be.

Definitely not what his fans claim him to be.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

that's precisly what the author (who is an american MARKETING guru) was focusing on. people (in this discussion, tobe fans) tend to rely on STORIES, and prefer STORIES over FACT.

so when presented with FACT, they are not only hesitant to entertain it, they are resistant to it.

as far as the josh howard story, i need a "captain obvious" pic.

This is why Jordan had such an impact on not just sports, the culture in general.

Jordan actually did what the marketing said. He lived up to the hype.

Kobe gets the hype first, does a few great things, then the hype gets bigger.

I know a guy, 50 years old, that still thinks Kung Fu movies are real!

It is the empty barrel that makes the most annoying noise.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

The masses are supposed to hate those at the top of their game. No matter what arena it's in. If your spending time to find this kind of information to support your dislike of a person, then you can also spend it bettering yourself. I tend to think that it's not that those people really hate the super starts/successful people personally. What they hate is that it holds a big mirror up to yourself. And it forces you to come to some stark revelations: Maybe I'm not working hard enough to discover and create my own dream life?

Just my 2cents

But hey, I don't know shit.

There is some truth to what you are saying Black.

There is no denying that Kobe has worked hard to get where he is.

The difference is when people use falsehoods to elevate his accomplishments to justify emotional attachments.

I might agree with the person of Malcolm X however I am not so lost in worship that I refuse to look at his shortcomings. There is no way Malcolm should have dropped dime on Elijha's sexual misconduct. Certain things must stay in house. I have heard from some Nation insiders personally that Malcolm actually wanted one of the women Honorable EM slept with.


Being from Chicago I naturally admire Jordan. However I will never say he was the best shooter in the game when he played. He was not the best dunker. He was not the best ball handler. What I admire about Jordan is that he took mediocre teams and won.

What I admire about Jordan is that he was the league for the years he played. When Forbes magazine says your return to a sport has a 10 billion dollar impact on the global economy, that is admirable. Individual marketing for athletes was no where near what it is now, and that is due in large part to Jordan. Bird and Magic were marketed as leading great teams, Jordan was marketed as Himself. Kobe, Lebron and others benefit from the work laid down by Jordan.

Kobe is a basketball player. Jordan is an ICON.

The main reason knowledgeable people have a problem when young people compare Kobe to Jordan is because it shows a lack of knowledge of history.

It would be like comparing Al Sharpton to Martin Luther King.

Its like comparing Usher's career to Michael Jackson.

Its like comparing Keshia Cole to Whitney Houston, and Diana Ross.



The point is to look objectively at any given situation.


A person cannot know the truth about something until one can argue for both sides effectively.

 

[cranrab]

Oh yeah, Snaq is working on his 7th series sweep.

i still don't get your fixation on sweeps.

so you're telling me it won't be just as ugly if the suns (or the nuggets for that matter) lose 4-1 instead of 4-0?

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

i still don't get your fixation on sweeps.

so you're telling me it won't be just as ugly if the suns (or the nuggets for that matter) lose 4-1 instead of 4-0?

Sure, kick a nigga while he's down...

 

[cranrab]

Sure, kick a nigga while he's down...

OK, fine. let me rephrase.

so it won't be as humiliating to the pistons for losing to the 76ers 4-1 instead of 4-0?

 

[RunawaySlave]

I might agree with the person of Malcolm X however I am not so lost in worship that I refuse to look at his shortcomings. There is no way Malcolm should have dropped dime on Elijha's sexual misconduct. Certain things must stay in house. I have heard from some Nation insiders personally that Malcolm actually wanted one of the women Honorable EM slept with.

This is the second attack on Malcolm's character that I've read on this board in the last 2 days. Don't want to go off topic though