Why Do Conservatives/Republicans Hate Cuba But Love China?

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China: Capitalism Doesn't Require Democracy
by Robert B. Reich

You may remember when the world was divided between communism and capitalism, and when the Chinese were communists. The Chinese still call themselves communists, but now they’re also capitalists.

In fact, visit China today and you find the most dynamic capitalist nation in the world. In 2005, it had the distinction of being the world’s fastest-growing major economy.

China is the manufacturing hub of the globe. It’s is also moving quickly into the highest of high technologies. It already graduates more computer engineers every year than the United States.

Its cities are booming. There are more building cranes in use today in China than in all of the United States. China’s super-highways are filled with modern cars. Its deep-water ports and airports are world class. Its research and development centers are state of the art. At the rate its growing, in three decades China will be the largest economy in the world.

Communist, as in communal? Are you kidding? The gap between China’s rich and poor is turning into a chasm. China’s innovators, investors, and captains of industry are richly rewarded. They live in luxury housing developments whose streets are lined with McMansions. The feed in fancy restaurants, and relax in five-star hotels and resorts. China’s poor live in a different world. Mao Tse Tung would turn in his grave.

So where are the Chinese communists? They’re in government. The communist party is the only party there is. China doesn’t have freedom of speech or freedom of the press. It doesn’t tolerate dissent. Authorities can arrest and imprison people who threaten stability, as the party defines it. Any group that dares to protest is treated brutally. There are no civil liberties, no labor unions, no centers of political power outside the communist party.

China shows that when it comes to economics, the dividing line among the world’s nations is no longer between communism and capitalism. Capitalism has won hands down. The real dividing line is no longer economic. It’s political. And that divide is between democracy and authoritarianism. China is a capitalist economy with an authoritarian government.

For years, we’ve assumed that capitalism and democracy fit hand in glove. We took it as an article of faith that you can’t have one without the other. That’s why a key element of American policy toward China has been to encourage free trade, direct investment, and open markets. As China becomes more prosperous and integrated into the global market -- so American policy makers have thought -- China will also become more democratic.

Well, maybe we’ve been a bit naive. It’s true that democracy needs capitalism. Try to come up with the name of a single democracy in the world that doesn’t have a capitalist economy. For democracy to function there must be centers of power outside of government. Capitalism decentralizes economic power, and thereby provides the private ground in which democracy can take root.

But China shows that the reverse may not be true -- capitalism doesn’t need democracy. Capitalism’s wide diffusion of economic power offers enough incentive for investors to take risks with their money. But, as China shows, capitalism doesn’t necessarily provide enough protection for individuals to take risks with their opinions.

Robert Reich is Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He has written ten books, including The Work of Nations, which has been translated into 22 languages; the best-sellers The Future of Success and Locked in the Cabinet, and his most recent book, Reason. His articles have appeared in the New Yorker, Atlantic Monthly, New York Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal. Mr. Reich is co-founding editor of The American Prospect magazine.
 
Because Castro rightfully thumbed his nose at the U.S. for fifty years and despite invasion, embargoes, and assassination attempts he's still there, and still thumbing his nose at the
all powerful USofA. For that reason alone the American government will never give Castro his due, but will trade with a countries directly responsible for the death of thousands of Americans ---namely China and Vietnam. Talk about hypocracy, and that includes Democrats as well. :mad:
 
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Because China holds too much of our debt...they have the power to fuck us (but partially themselves as well because we purchase a large percentage of their goods). It is a fear-fear situation between China and the U.S. over power...no love...
 
Because China holds too much of our debt...they have the power to fuck us (but partially themselves as well because we purchase a large percentage of their goods). It is a fear-fear situation between China and the U.S. over power...no love...

You need to leave that colonial western way of thinking alone. We (US) don't hold any sway over China. Russia, India and other developing countries represent greater potential purchasing power as consumers than we do (US). But this is what the conservatives/Republicans planned for and wanted, trickle down economics. In fact, in my opinion, Cuba the most literate country in the Caribbean and one of the most literate, young populations outside of the US and Canada in the Western Hemisphere represent a great potential for consumers, if the US would ever engage in diplomatic relations with them.
 
Having a Communist (or Socialist depending on your point of view) country 90 miles from your coast projects weakness to other countries we are trying to influence. Here is a guy that has outlasted sanctions, attempted overthrows, and assasinations.

It provides courage (Hugo Chavez, Iran, N Korea, and probably Saddam back in the day) for others to stand up against American foreign policy. If Castro is confident in his Revolution, than his people will have no problem voting him in power. It is another N Korea communist dictatorship whereby the government controls the means of production to control its people.
 
Having a Communist (or Socialist depending on your point of view) country 90 miles from your coast projects weakness to other countries we are trying to influence. Here is a guy that has outlasted sanctions, attempted overthrows, and assasinations.

It provides courage (Hugo Chavez, Iran, N Korea, and probably Saddam back in the day) for others to stand up against American foreign policy. If Castro is confident in his Revolution, than his people will have no problem voting him in power. It is another N Korea communist dictatorship whereby the government controls the means of production to control its people.

Comparing Cuba to North Korea is like comparing the United States to Canada. Cuba has no aggression toward any other country. They have no offensive desires on any nation. Castro's socialistic revolution is a reaction to the United State's and Europe’s condescending colonialist policies. I am not condoning the communistic oppression of Castro, but an island of less than 20 million people that has historic ties with the United States is no threat to us.
 
You need to leave that colonial western way of thinking alone. We (US) don't hold any sway over China. Russia, India and other developing countries represent greater potential purchasing power as consumers than we do (US). But this is what the conservatives/Republicans planned for and wanted, trickle down economics. In fact, in my opinion, Cuba the most literate country in the Caribbean and one of the most literate, young populations outside of the US and Canada in the Western Hemisphere represent a great potential for consumers, if the US would ever engage in diplomatic relations with them.

What are you talking about: Colonialism? :lol: My comment had NOTHING to do with colonialism.

Look at the numbers brah. We are the largest debtor nation to China and we are it's largest consumer. Countries like India don't even compare to the U.S. consumption. Case in point..though we make up only 6 percent of the world's population, we consume over 30 + percent of the world's oil, etc. China has a huge trade surplus with the U.S. and they hold an extremely large amount of our foreign debt..in that capacity..they have an interest in our well being..unless they want that foreign debt to become worthless. We have a joint dependency on each other. If it were not for China's dependency on our consumption and them not free-floating their currency, they would have LONG dumped the U.S. debt they hold to fuck the value of the U.S Dollar even more.

What I'm trying to tell you is that the U.S. DOES NOT LOVE China... but we can't afford to be outwardly aggressive because of our dependency...same type of relationship with Saudi Arabia...but that is another post altogether.
 
What are you talking about: Colonialism? :lol: My comment had NOTHING to do with colonialism.

Look at the numbers brah. We are the largest debtor nation to China and we are it's largest consumer. Countries like India don't even compare to the U.S. consumption. Case in point..though we make up only 6 percent of the world's population, we consume over 30 + percent of the world's oil, etc. China has a huge trade surplus with the U.S. and they hold an extremely large amount of our foreign debt..in that capacity..they have an interest in our well being..unless they want that foreign debt to become worthless. We have a joint dependency on each other. If it were not for China's dependency on our consumption and them not free-floating their currency, they would have LONG dumped the U.S. debt they hold to fuck the value of the U.S Dollar even more.

What I'm trying to tell you is that the U.S. DOES NOT LOVE China... but we can't afford to be outwardly aggressive because of our dependency...same type of relationship with Saudi Arabia...but that is another post altogether.

If it were not for China's dependency on our consumption and them not free-floating their currency,


First let me address this republican red herring. This is an excuse for the incompetence of the conservatives/Republicans fucking up the US economy over the last 25 years. It wasn’t an issue prior to 911.

The Chinese are beginning to sell of American securities. They said they are no longer going to subsidize our economic mismanagement. Many countries are deciding not to trade in US dollars, at least in petro dollars. China and the developing power houses are not betting on the US. Even prior to China’s economic emergence, the republicans, beginning with Nixon’s visit to China has sought an economic relationship with China, while every American President since Kennedy has denounced Castro and has sought, and in some degree try to remove him and have supported a 50 year economic embargo against Cuba. China has been around for 5000 years, the United States has existed for 231 years. Who is unsure about whose longevity?
 
No it's not. brah. Whether the republicans fucked up the economy or not (The Bush adminstration has no doubt) we had already been running trade deficits with China. Our interdependency on China was there before 9/11.

I have already written a long article here about the decline of the U.S. dollar and our status as the world's reserve currency and its implications... you can look up some of my threads. I've probably made no less than 10 threads about this on the main board. That is not the point.

Getting back to the title of your thread which is the point:

"Why do Conservatives/Republicans Hate But Love China"?

Your initial premise is wrong. They don't love China. They have no choice but to RESPECT China though..especially now.( also, though China has no opened up trade, we continue to lobby because of the potential huge market for various U.S. verticals) Unfortunately, they don't have to offer that same respect to Cuba. Your entire premise is wrong from the jump. That is the issue with the thread. The U.S. shits on various countries for various reasons..it shits on Cuba because it can..which again is unfortunate..

I don't get the relevancy of the "who is worried about their longevity?"..what does that have to directly do with the topic of your thread?
 
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The U.S. shits on various countries for various reasons..it shits on Cuba because it can..which again is unfortunate..
And, for a reason not yet mentioned in this thread: shitting on Cuba plays well with the Florida exile community. The "shit" translates into votes in this country for those willing to continue our questionable Cuban relationship/policy.

Who would not bet that our Cuba policy would change overnight if the folks down in Miami said so ??? (thinking . . . what if we had that kind of say-so with respect to African countries).

QueEx
 
No it's not. brah. Whether the republicans fucked up the economy or not (The Bush adminstration has no doubt) we had already been running trade deficits with China. Our interdependency on China was there before 9/11.

I have already written a long article here about the decline of the U.S. dollar and our status as the world's reserve currency and its implications... you can look up some of my threads. I've probably made no less than 10 threads about this on the main board. That is not the point.

Getting back to the title of your thread which is the point:

"Why do Conservatives/Republicans Hate But Love China"?

Your initial premise is wrong. They don't love China. They have no choice but to RESPECT China though..especially now.( also, though China has no opened up trade, we continue to lobby because of the potential huge market for various U.S. verticals) Unfortunately, they don't have to offer that same respect to Cuba. Your entire premise is wrong from the jump. That is the issue with the thread. The U.S. shits on various countries for various reasons..it shits on Cuba because it can..which again is unfortunate..

I don't get the relevancy of the "who is worried about their longevity?"..what does that have to directly do with the topic of your thread?

You are so on point with this and saved me so much time in this thread. America has to respect China because they have us by the balls. Cuba wasn't in a position to strike America militarily, financially, or politically so there was no reason for the US to respect them. On the other hand China can touch America Militarily, Financially, and Politically so the Gov't has to be a little bit more respectful or else face the consequences.
 
You are so on point with this and saved me so much time in this thread. America has to respect China because they have us by the balls. Cuba wasn't in a position to strike America militarily, financially, or politically so there was no reason for the US to respect them. On the other hand China can touch America Militarily, Financially, and Politically so the Gov't has to be a little bit more respectful or else face the consequences.
I wouldn't get too carried away with the part I highlighted above. What you stated are half-facts and they overlook a lot in the way this country has faced-off and inter-acted with communism over the last 50 years or so.

If you want to say Cuba wasn't in a position to strike the U.S. militarily, therefore, the U.S. had no reason respect Cuba -- I don't think that would be accurate. Until the fall of the Soviet Union and except for the fiasco called the Bay of Pigs, the U.S. has no real urge to attack Cuba either because it was defended by another then super-power, the USSR. Therefore, it could be argued that Cuba has had no respect for the U.S., and the U.S., hasn't done shit about it. So, would you call that a standoff ???

If Tricky Dick didn't see "Market Potential" in China in 72, does anyone believe we would have gotten in bed with them as we have ???

QueEx
 
Comparing Cuba to North Korea is like comparing the United States to Canada. Cuba has no aggression toward any other country. They have no offensive desires on any nation. Castro's socialistic revolution is a reaction to the United State's and Europe’s condescending colonialist policies. I am not condoning the communistic oppression of Castro, but an island of less than 20 million people that has historic ties with the United States is no threat to us.

Cuba has some elements of North Korea with state control of the media, lookouts on every block to report on people, and executing or imprisoning people that oppose him. I didn't say Cuba is aggressive, based on the movie "Sicko" they go through great lengths not to antagonize the U.S.
 
And, for a reason not yet mentioned in this thread: shitting on Cuba plays well with the Florida exile community. The "shit" translates into votes in this country for those willing to continue our questionable Cuban relationship/policy.

Who would not bet that our Cuba policy would change overnight if the folks down in Miami said so ??? (thinking . . . what if we had that kind of say-so with respect to African countries).

QueEx

That's definitely true QueEx. The Cubans in southern Florida go as far as cooking up fake propaganda in the media to push their Anti-Castro agenda...
 
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shit is beyond me mane.i guess just US double standard's........but in actuality. china is not all that communist like US coporate media would lead you think...real talk:cool:
 
Cuba has some elements of North Korea with state control of the media, lookouts on every block to report on people, and executing or imprisoning people that oppose him. I didn't say Cuba is aggressive, based on the movie "Sicko" they go through great lengths not to antagonize the U.S.

And your point? Refocusing on the original subject of this thread, Cuba has state control of the media, China has state control of the media. Cuba has lookouts on every block to report on people, China has lookouts on every block to report on people. China executes people, the US executes people. Cuba does not have the death penalty.

Cuba does have a history of imperialism by the US with all of the racism and white supremacy that entails. Not that racism does not exist in Cuba. You do not hear a lot of Afro Cubans stressing over self hate of having African physical features the way Dominicans and Puerto Ricans do, both of the latter have accepted the US’s way of political thinking. Cuba has no reason to antagonize the US, however the US is constantly antagonizing Cuba.

Despite all of this, the US conservatives, right wing and corporatists over look the inequities’ that China practices but lambaste Cuba over the same things. The difference, Cuba’s resistance to exploitation, capitalism and consumerism. Rejecting these things is the ultimate insult another sovereign nation could display against the money loving, selfish libertarian and capitalist culture the US is.
 
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And your point? Refocusing on the original subject of this thread, Cuba has state control of the media, China has state control of the media. Cuba has lookouts on every block to report on people, China has lookouts on every block to report on people. China executes people, the US executes people. Cuba does not have the death penalty.

Cuba does have a history of imperialism by the US with all of the racism and white supremacy that entails. Not that racism does not exist in Cuba. You do not hear a lot of Afro Cubans stressing over self hate of having African physical features the way Dominicans and Puerto Ricans do, both of the latter have accepted the US’s way of political thinking. Cuba has no reason to antagonize the US, however the US is constantly antagonizing Cuba.

You don't spend much time in Florida. Many ex-Cubans are colorstruck. White Supremacy is in full effect for them that pass for white; even for those color tweeners. That's why they left Cuban. They wanted to be special. Cubans in the US look down on folks from DR and PR. Many US Cubans identify with their Spaniard roots.
 
shit is beyond me mane.i guess just US double standard's........but in actuality. china is not all that communist like US coporate media would lead you think...real talk:cool:

Agreed. China is what republican corporatist aspire to be.

-VG
 
China was one of the reasons we could keep Russia at bay. China knows its boundaries, and know that having a war with the US will be a fruitless campaign.

Cuba out right defy the United States. Thus, Cuba went with an enemy out of sheer defiance. Most republicans do not view Cuba as anything less as Russia's former satellite on our hemisphere.

China sided with us, Cuba sided with the Russians. Thus, the situation we have now.
 
China was one of the reasons we could keep Russia at bay. China knows its boundaries, and know that having a war with the US will be a fruitless campaign.

Cuba out right defy the United States. Thus, Cuba went with an enemy out of sheer defiance. Most republicans do not view Cuba as anything less as Russia's former satellite on our hemisphere.

China sided with us, Cuba sided with the Russians. Thus, the situation we have now.

Cuba out right defy the United States.

A trademark of the right, arrogance!

Didn't China side with Vietnam a once enemy we did go to war with and a reference you noted on a thread on the main board? Why is the US so cozy with China now and is a trading partner with Vietnam who was an enemy just 35 years ago and why did the US try to assassinate Fidel Castro?

I'm not hold my breath for any sort of answers from you on this one.
 
A trademark of the right, arrogance!

Didn't China side with Vietnam a once enemy we did go to war with and a reference you noted on a thread on the main board? Why is the US so cozy with China now and is a trading partner with Vietnam who was an enemy just 35 years ago and why did the US try to assassinate Fidel Castro?

I'm not hold my breath for any sort of answers from you on this one.

You have to blame your boy JFK for that one.

China did, only because they didn't know OUR intentions with the outcome at our end. It's kinda like Russia invading Mexico. We really don't care to interfere, but it's really close to us. Once we communicate to China our real intentions, and how we could work together *Nixon best accomplishment* China chilled out. As with Vietnam, it's called understanding that controlling your population is not good economically. Thus, they are basically fixing their past mistakes. Communism does not work.
 
Why Do Conservatives/Republicans Hate Cuba But Love China? RED HERRING

Please point to me some indications, examples, statements, etc, by Republicans that support your heading that Conseratives/Republicans hate Cubans but love China.

thoughtone - When you going to stop with all this Republican bashing bullshit. I would think by now after observing the Obama presidency with an majority democrat congress and house support to pass just about any bill in the first part of the presidency including repairing relationship with Cuba that wasn't a focus.

So far everything in the article you posted was about US not Republicans which the last time I checked meant US mean all people and not just Rebublicans or if you want to speak of just the leaders and their parties. It's still policies made and carried out by both parties.

There is a grand framework for the nation and both parties work towards carrying it out especially when it comes to foreign policies.
 
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You have to blame your boy JFK for that one.

China did, only because they didn't know OUR intentions with the outcome at our end. It's kinda like Russia invading Mexico. We really don't care to interfere, but it's really close to us. Once we communicate to China our real intentions, and how we could work together *Nixon best accomplishment* China chilled out. As with Vietnam, it's called understanding that controlling your population is not good economically. Thus, they are basically fixing their past mistakes. Communism does not work.




You have to blame your boy JFK for that one.

I'm asking you! You made the statement "Cuba out right defy the United States". I couldn't find that statement made by my boy JFK.

Do you even know how we got involved in the Vietnam War and how it escalated? Simple question, don't give me "like this".

And the rest of that bullshit is just like the JFK bullshit. Site some facts, hyperlinks or references. FACTS!

What were our intentions and why after a war are we a major trading partner with Vietnam and the are still communist. Check were your Nikes are made?

Still waiting for a legible response, but again you prove you are incapable. Events are not opinions they are fact. Remember facts. I've been tryings to get you to post some for three years.
 
Because Castro rightfully thumbed his nose at the U.S. for fifty years and despite invasion, embargoes, and assassination attempts he's still there, and still thumbing his nose at the
all powerful USofA. For that reason alone the American government will never give Castro his due, but will trade with a countries directly responsible for the death of thousands of Americans ---namely China and Vietnam. Talk about hypocracy, and that includes Democrats as well. :mad:

c/s / thread
 
Why Do Conservatives/Republicans Hate Cuba But Love China? RED HERRING

Please point to me some indications, examples, statements, etc, by Republicans that support your heading that Conseratives/Republicans hate Cubans but love China.

thoughtone - When you going to stop with all this Republican bashing bullshit. I would think by now after observing the Obama presidency with an majority democrat congress and house support to pass just about any bill in the first part of the presidency including repairing relationship with Cuba that wasn't a focus.

So far everything in the article you posted was about US not Republicans which the last time I checked meant US mean all people and not just Rebublicans or if you want to speak of just the leaders and their parties. It's still policies made and carried out by both parties.

There is a grand framework for the nation and both parties work towards carrying it out especially when it comes to foreign policies.


source: Wikipedia

List of the largest trading partners of the United States


<TABLE id=sortable_table_id_0 class="wikitable sortable"><TBODY><TR><TH>Country</TH><TH>Exports</TH><TH>Imports</TH><TH>Total Trade</TH></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png
Canada</TD><TD>248.8</TD><TD>276.5</TD><TD>525.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png
China</TD><TD>91.9</TD><TD>364.9</TD><TD>456.8</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png
Mexico</TD><TD>163.3</TD><TD>229.7</TD><TD>393.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Japan.svg.png
Japan</TD><TD>60.5</TD><TD>120.3</TD><TD>180.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png
Germany</TD><TD>48.2</TD><TD>82.7</TD><TD>130.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png
United Kingdom</TD><TD>48.5</TD><TD>49.8</TD><TD>98.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png
South Korea</TD><TD>38.8</TD><TD>48.9</TD><TD>87.7</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png
France</TD><TD>27.0</TD><TD>38.6</TD><TD>65.6</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg.png
Taiwan</TD><TD>26.0</TD><TD>35.9</TD><TD>61.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil</TD><TD>35.4</TD><TD>29.3</TD><TD>59.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png
Netherlands</TD><TD>35.0</TD><TD>19.0</TD><TD>54.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_India.svg.png
India</TD><TD>19.2</TD><TD>29.5</TD><TD>48.8</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Singapore.svg.png
Singapore</TD><TD>29.1</TD><TD>17.5</TD><TD>46.6</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png
Venezuela</TD><TD>10.7</TD><TD>32.8</TD><TD>43.4</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg.png
Saudi Arabia</TD><TD>11.6</TD><TD>31.4</TD><TD>43.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


source: Rasmussen Reports

36% Favor Lifting U.S. Embargo on Cuba, 35% Disagree


Thirty-six percent (36%) say the United States should lift its embargo on Cuba, but 35% disagree in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Twenty-nine percent (29%) are not sure what to do about the ban on economic activity between the two countries that has been in place since 1962.

Pluralities of both Democrats (38%) and voters not affiliated with either party (46%) favor lifting the ban. Most Republicans (58%) take the opposite view.
 
To tell you the truth I have no idea why you posted this poll.

It doesn't prove anything. You made a conjoin statement, yet made only a slight effort to prove 1 side.

Survey doesn't have a date, neither do I know the sample size.

As been stated in just about all the articles Obama still support the trade embargo. Could it be that the Obama and the Republicans have looked at the issue more deeply. Seems people who looked into the matter deeply believe the lifting of the embargo would benefit the communist regime instead of the people.

I still don't see how the survey prove hate or love.

Not even Que with his good research skills can help you with this one.


source: Wikipedia

List of the largest trading partners of the United States


<TABLE id=sortable_table_id_0 class="wikitable sortable"><TBODY><TR><TH>Country</TH><TH>Exports</TH><TH>Imports</TH><TH>Total Trade</TH></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png
Canada</TD><TD>248.8</TD><TD>276.5</TD><TD>525.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg.png
China</TD><TD>91.9</TD><TD>364.9</TD><TD>456.8</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png
Mexico</TD><TD>163.3</TD><TD>229.7</TD><TD>393.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Japan.svg.png
Japan</TD><TD>60.5</TD><TD>120.3</TD><TD>180.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png
Germany</TD><TD>48.2</TD><TD>82.7</TD><TD>130.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png
United Kingdom</TD><TD>48.5</TD><TD>49.8</TD><TD>98.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png
South Korea</TD><TD>38.8</TD><TD>48.9</TD><TD>87.7</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png
France</TD><TD>27.0</TD><TD>38.6</TD><TD>65.6</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg.png
Taiwan</TD><TD>26.0</TD><TD>35.9</TD><TD>61.9</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Brazil</TD><TD>35.4</TD><TD>29.3</TD><TD>59.3</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png
Netherlands</TD><TD>35.0</TD><TD>19.0</TD><TD>54.0</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_India.svg.png
India</TD><TD>19.2</TD><TD>29.5</TD><TD>48.8</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Singapore.svg.png
Singapore</TD><TD>29.1</TD><TD>17.5</TD><TD>46.6</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Venezuela.svg.png
Venezuela</TD><TD>10.7</TD><TD>32.8</TD><TD>43.4</TD></TR><TR><TD>
22px-Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg.png
Saudi Arabia</TD><TD>11.6</TD><TD>31.4</TD><TD>43.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


source: Rasmussen Reports

36% Favor Lifting U.S. Embargo on Cuba, 35% Disagree


Thirty-six percent (36%) say the United States should lift its embargo on Cuba, but 35% disagree in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Twenty-nine percent (29%) are not sure what to do about the ban on economic activity between the two countries that has been in place since 1962.

Pluralities of both Democrats (38%) and voters not affiliated with either party (46%) favor lifting the ban. Most Republicans (58%) take the opposite view.
 
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I'm asking you! You made the statement "Cuba out right defy the United States". I couldn't find that statement made by my boy JFK.

Do you even know how we got involved in the Vietnam War and how it escalated? Simple question, don't give me "like this".

And the rest of that bullshit is just like the JFK bullshit. Site some facts, hyperlinks or references. FACTS!

What were our intentions and why after a war are we a major trading partner with Vietnam and the are still communist. Check were your Nikes are made?

Still waiting for a legible response, but again you prove you are incapable. Events are not opinions they are fact. Remember facts. I've been tryings to get you to post some for three years.

Seriously, what's the point of me pulling up facts that you obviously disagree with? It's not going to change your mind. You asked a question, and I answered it. China worked with us, Cuba rebelled from us. Case closed...

Think about it like politics. If Obama go completely right wing, and start working with the likes of Paul Ryan, ect. You would hate him politically. However, if a republican *like Mitt Romney* worked with the democrats you like. It would create a unlikely understanding between you, and a republican. Policies sometimes make strange bedfellows.
 
To tell you the truth I have no idea why you posted this poll.

It doesn't prove anything. You made a conjoin statement, yet made only a slight effort to prove 1 side.

Survey doesn't have a date, neither do I know the sample size.

As been stated in just about all the articles Obama still support the trade embargo. Could it be that the Obama and the Republicans have looked at the issue more deeply. Seems people who looked into the matter deeply believe the lifting of the embargo would benefit the communist regime instead of the people.

I still don't see how the survey prove hate or love.

Not even Que with his good research skills can help you with this one.


Survey doesn't have a date, neither do I know the sample size.

Did you click on the link? Is Rasmussen a reputable polling organization? Big business interests tend to be republican and I have yet to heard any of them even mention addressing the conflicts of communism and the money they are getting from the fruits of labor worker rights oppression in China.

Could it be that the Obama and the Republicans have looked at the issue more deeply. Seems people who looked into the matter deeply believe the lifting of the embargo would benefit the communist regime instead of the people.

I rest my case!
 
Seriously, what's the point of me pulling up facts that you obviously disagree with? It's not going to change your mind. You asked a question, and I answered it. China worked with us, Cuba rebelled from us. Case closed...

Think about it like politics. If Obama go completely right wing, and start working with the likes of Paul Ryan, ect. You would hate him politically. However, if a republican *like Mitt Romney* worked with the democrats you like. It would create a unlikely understanding between you, and a republican. Policies sometimes make strange bedfellows.

Seriously, what's the point of me pulling up facts

When you pull some up!
 
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