Why are you so against fast food workers making $15 a hour?

[4North1Side2]

The average minimum wage worker is 29 years old

The leading demographic employed in these jobs are single females

The less these multi billion dollar companies pay their employees the more you tax dollars go to subsidizing these families

Doubling McDonald's Salaries Would Cause Your Big Mac To Cost Just 68¢ More: Study

Doubling the salaries and benefits of all McDonald's employees -- from workers earning*the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour*to CEO Donald Thompson, whose*2012 compensation totaled $8.75 million*-- would cause the price of a Big Mac to increase just 68 cents, from $3.99 to $4.67, University of Kansas research assistant Arnobio Morelix told HuffPost. In addition, every item on the Dollar Menu would go up by 17 cents.

Morelix looked at McDonald's 2012 annual report and discovered that only 17.1 percent of the fast-food giant's revenue goes toward salaries and benefits. In other words, for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its*more than 500,000 U.S. employees.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3672006

 

[Hotlantan]

The average minimum wage worker is 29 years old

The leading demographic employed in these jobs are single females

The less these multi billion dollar companies pay their employees the more you tax dollars go to subsidizing these families

Doubling McDonald's Salaries Would Cause Your Big Mac To Cost Just 68¢ More: Study

Doubling the salaries and benefits of all McDonald's employees -- from workers earning*the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour*to CEO Donald Thompson, whose*2012 compensation totaled $8.75 million*-- would cause the price of a Big Mac to increase just 68 cents, from $3.99 to $4.67, University of Kansas research assistant Arnobio Morelix told HuffPost. In addition, every item on the Dollar Menu would go up by 17 cents.

Morelix looked at McDonald's 2012 annual report and discovered that only 17.1 percent of the fast-food giant's revenue goes toward salaries and benefits. In other words, for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its*more than 500,000 U.S. employees.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3672006

Did you even read YOUR OWN link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/mcdonalds-salaries_n_3672006.html

Errors in McDonald's Wage Analysis


On Monday, The Huffington Post published a story entitled "Doubling McDonald's Salaries Would Cause Your Big Mac To Cost Just 68¢ More." HuffPost has since learned that the research used as the basis of the story contains significant errors that cast doubts on its claims. This story has replaced the one originally published in this space.

The story drew on data presented by Arnobio Morelix, an undergraduate student from The University Of Kansas who identified himself as a researcher for the school. In an interview, Morelix told the HuffPost that only 17.1 percent of McDonald's revenue goes toward salaries and benefits, meaning that for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its employees.

However, as the Columbia Journalism Review subsequently noted, Morelix's analysis only takes into account the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's company-operated stores while excluding franchise businesses. Prior to publication, HuffPost asked Morelix if his analysis included franchises and he said it did. He later conceded it did not. McDonald's franchises make up more than 80 percent of McDonald's restaurants worldwide. This means that a majority of the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's workers are not included in Morelix's findings.

A typical fast-food restaurant spends 30 to 35 percent of its income on labor, according to a recent release from the Employment Policies Institute, a research organization whose work is often cited by those who argue against increasing the minimum wage. The institute estimates that small-business owners who run McDonald's franchises spend about a third of their income on wages, which would mean the price of a Big Mac would go up by $1.28 to $5.27.

 

[Flawless]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

 

[4North1Side2]

Did you even read your link?

On Monday, The Huffington Post published a story entitled "Doubling McDonald's Salaries Would Cause Your Big Mac To Cost Just 68¢ More." HuffPost has since learned that the research used as the basis of the story contains significant errors that cast doubts on its claims. This story has replaced the one originally published in this space.
The story drew on data presented by Arnobio Morelix, an undergraduate student from The University Of Kansas who identified himself as a researcher for the school. In an interview, Morelix told the HuffPost that only 17.1 percent of McDonald's revenue goes toward salaries and benefits, meaning that for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its employees.
However, as the Columbia Journalism Review subsequently noted, Morelix's analysis only takes into account the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's company-operated stores while excluding franchise businesses. Prior to publication, HuffPost asked Morelix if his analysis included franchises and he said it did. He later conceded it did not. McDonald's franchises make up more than 80 percent of McDonald's restaurants worldwide. This means that a majority of the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's workers are not included in Morelix's findings.
A typical fast-food restaurant spends 30 to 35 percent of its income on labor, according to a recent release from the Employment Policies Institute, a research organization whose work is often cited by those who argue against increasing the minimum wage. The institute estimates that small-business owners who run McDonald's franchises spend about a third of their income on wages, which would mean the price of a Big Mac would go up by $1.28 to $5.27.

Nope, thanks.

 

[BGLR1212000]

I would RATHER them make more, then I wouldnt have to deal with the attitudes. I stopped going through drive thru cuz its guaranteed the girl taking the orders is gonna have a stank attitude, because she makes $7.25 to deal with dumb motherfuckers for hours on end.

 

[kinglickk]

I don't eat this food and I'm paying way more for what I eat so...GIVE THEM THA MONEY!!!

 

[DeSiRe]

Did you even read YOUR OWN link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/mcdonalds-salaries_n_3672006.html

Errors in McDonald's Wage Analysis


On Monday, The Huffington Post published a story entitled "Doubling McDonald's Salaries Would Cause Your Big Mac To Cost Just 68¢ More." HuffPost has since learned that the research used as the basis of the story contains significant errors that cast doubts on its claims. This story has replaced the one originally published in this space.

The story drew on data presented by Arnobio Morelix, an undergraduate student from The University Of Kansas who identified himself as a researcher for the school. In an interview, Morelix told the HuffPost that only 17.1 percent of McDonald's revenue goes toward salaries and benefits, meaning that for every dollar McDonald's earns, a little more than 17 cents goes toward the income and benefits of its employees.

However, as the Columbia Journalism Review subsequently noted, Morelix's analysis only takes into account the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's company-operated stores while excluding franchise businesses. Prior to publication, HuffPost asked Morelix if his analysis included franchises and he said it did. He later conceded it did not. McDonald's franchises make up more than 80 percent of McDonald's restaurants worldwide. This means that a majority of the payroll and employee benefits of McDonald's workers are not included in Morelix's findings.

A typical fast-food restaurant spends 30 to 35 percent of its income on labor, according to a recent release from the Employment Policies Institute, a research organization whose work is often cited by those who argue against increasing the minimum wage. The institute estimates that small-business owners who run McDonald's franchises spend about a third of their income on wages, which would mean the price of a Big Mac would go up by $1.28 to $5.27.

so is this article trying to imply that franchises are paying their employees more than the corporate stores?

my experiences with franchises tells me that is very hard to believe

how much more are they paying and how come they never quoted a number?

 

[darth frosty]

MANNNN These dumb ass WAW's are losing they damn mind on sports radio

Host and callers bitching about raising minimum wage talkin bout how people need to work harder and that mcds is only a starting point. But this same CAC said he made min wage for 5 yrs doing landscaping?!?

 

[BKF]

so is this article trying to imply that franchises are paying their employees more than the corporate stores?

my experiences with franchises tells me that is very hard to believe

how much more are they paying and how come they never quoted a number?

What it's telling you is that most of the Mcy D's employees work for franchises and the first study excluded them. So the cost of labor is much higher than first reported. They only looked at Corporate Mcy D's spreadsheet. Bttomline the numbers were off.

 

[Alphachino]

If you go to suburban areas you can make almost 15. I was talking to a manager of a mcdonalds in Laurel and he said they have to pay more because the CACS dont let their kids work there.

I'm against non-skilled workers making that much tho. I worked at McDonalds as a teen and that job is by far the easiest one I ever had. Especially now that all they have to do is hit pictures, and I could also do without the attitudes. And a majority of the McDonalds here in Bmore are made up of felons, dropouts, molesters, and idiots. I don't think they should make more because they choose to work that shitty job. If you don't want to learn a trade/Skill then you should make that much. I know people who work twice as hard as those workers and make barely 11/hr.

If anything they are asking for too much, I'd say 9-10 is enough for that job

 

[hayesc0]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

exactly that's what I was trying to tell someone on another forum people are brainwashed into a certain way of thinking and aren't able to look inside themselves and view something with objectivity and empathy they like to have people to look down on and think that they are better than them not knowing that they could fall on hard times and end up in the same position

 

[playahaitian]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

truth

 

[ShortyCumStain]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

Yep.

 

[Djmarkxr7]

I would RATHER them make more, then I wouldnt have to deal with the attitudes. I stopped going through drive thru cuz its guaranteed the girl taking the orders is gonna have a stank attitude, because she makes $7.25 to deal with dumb motherfuckers for hours on end.

LOL @ thinking this pay raise would make their attitudes better, NEWSFLASH, it's the people, NOT the pay!!!

No matter how much people with piss poor attitudes make, they will continue to have piss poor attitudes!

You probably witness this in your everyday job if you work around people.

Karl Rove, Dick Cheney & Donald Trump make millions per year, have you seen anything in their respective demeanor's change?!?

Go to a better neighborhood and try the drive-thru and you'll see/hear the difference, and it's NOT a Black/White thing, the food will probably be a little better as well!

And the reason that they make minimum wage is because ANYBODY can do these jobs, it's NOT about the cost of a Big Mac going up, it's about artificially increasing the average wage percentage of a given area, if the fast food places pay $12/hr, then the surrounding stores have to match it to get/keep good employees, but I WILL acknowledge that with the cost of living being so high in NYC it makes absolutely NO SENSE that states like Massachusetts & Connecticut have minimum wage rates above $8 while NY still sits @ the federal minimum of $7.25.

Actually, even though it's off-topic, I still don't understand how the Civil Court maximum in NY state is still $5000, with monthly rents being $1000+ minimum people can quickly exceed the court maximum, which basically means that that money will NEVER be recovered, with the largest percentage of court cases being landlord/tenant, shit makes no sense, the limit hasn't changed since the 1960s, while the cost of EVERYTHING ELSE has gone UP!!!

 

[Djmarkxr7]

If you go to suburban areas you can make almost 15. I was talking to a manager of a mcdonalds in Laurel and he said they have to pay more because the CACS dont let their kids work there.

I'm against non-skilled workers making that much tho. I worked at McDonalds as a teen and that job is by far the easiest one I ever had. Especially now that all they have to do is hit pictures, and I could also do without the attitudes. And a majority of the McDonalds here in Bmore are made up of felons, dropouts, molesters, and idiots. I don't think they should make more because they choose to work that shitty job. If you don't want to learn a trade/Skill then you should make that much. I know people who work twice as hard as those workers and make barely 11/hr.

If anything they are asking for too much, I'd say 9-10 is enough for that job

Truth.

When I was a fast food manager back in the day, the unemployment rate on Long Island was only 4%, of that 4%, 2% were in well to do families that neither would let their kids work, or they just didn't want to work, in fast food, of the remaining 2%, 1% were people that you didn't want to hire, EVERY fast food store was competing for the remaining 1%, which is why the further east you go on Long Island, the higher the pay will be!

Peeps need to understand, that the two flexible cost things that are most easily controlled by store managers are wages & waste, you CANNOT control how many people walk thru the front door, and supplies are basically @ a fixed rate, as I said earlier, if the average wage @ McDonald's goes up drastically, then the average wages in all of the surrounding stores has to go up as well, and quite a few of those stores work on veryclose margins, in terms of profit!

 

[D-TOWN REP]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

The rich have done a pretty good job and brainwashing the poor to hate on other poor people

thats why they make it damn near impossible for anyone to own a media, the good news is technology is changing that shit with the quickness..

the people need their OWN media venues.. we are being force fed information that works against our own best interest...


folks forget who owns these PROGRAMs that PROGRAM us, like fox news and shit..

it aint a tax paying citizen I will tell you that much.


raising the wages to a livable standard in todays over priced society is long overdue...

as the dollar weakens everything goes up with the quickness but wages just struggle along..

its all by design...

 

[doggish_098]

Graduating from college with a degree my first job was in a lab making 16 bucks an hour why should someone with little to no education or skills make 15 bucks any hour?

 

[Djmarkxr7]

Graduating from college with a degree my first job was in a lab making 16 bucks an hour why should someone with little to no education or skills make 15 bucks any hour?

Exactly.

 

[SPECTRE1]

If fast food workers make more, than it will cause a domino effect with other industries and companies such as Walmart. Millions of people would want a higher wage than somebody working at McDonalds. This would reduce profits of companies.

Supporting fast food workers is a good way for you to get higher pay indirectly.

 

[moblack]

Graduating from college with a degree my first job was in a lab making 16 bucks an hour why should someone with little to no education or skills make 15 bucks any hour?

Bruh my first job out of college I made fucking 14 bucks a hour working for the county. The sad thing about it was I was paid a bit more because I had a 4 year degree. Why the heck should an unskilled worker make what I did? There are tons of folks who have degrees who make under 20 bucks!!!!! Heck there are a lot of industrial jobs with no experience that pay well. Folks need to stop complaining and get more skills.

 

[LSN]

bcuz fuck them that's why lol j/k

 

[LSN]

if fast food places wanna pay THEIR employees more then that's on them...you know they ain't doubling their pay tho

 

[gutsdabeast]

If you go to suburban areas you can make almost 15. I was talking to a manager of a mcdonalds in Laurel and he said they have to pay more because the CACS dont let their kids work there.

I'm against non-skilled workers making that much tho. I worked at McDonalds as a teen and that job is by far the easiest one I ever had. Especially now that all they have to do is hit pictures, and I could also do without the attitudes. And a majority of the McDonalds here in Bmore are made up of felons, dropouts, molesters, and idiots. I don't think they should make more because they choose to work that shitty job. If you don't want to learn a trade/Skill then you should make that much. I know people who work twice as hard as those workers and make barely 11/hr.

If anything they are asking for too much, I'd say 9-10 is enough for that job

Cosign this. I see why some people want them to make more money. But what skill or talent does it take to accomplish this job? You want them making as much as a chef who works at Friday's? I know that's not that great of a job but at least they cook the food & not just assemble microwave food. Where does it end? Should an electrician apprentice make more because they generally get paid $10 an hour? It's considered an entry level job for a reason.

 

[gutsdabeast]

If fast food workers make more, than it will cause a domino effect with other industries and companies such as Walmart. Millions of people would want a higher wage than somebody working at McDonalds. This would reduce profits of companies.

Supporting fast food workers is a good way for you to get higher pay indirectly.

But who is paying for all these raises? I can assure you that the executives aren't taking an L. When gas prices went up. The cost of things that typically shipped by transportation went up. Gas prices fall & no price change. They will never lose on profits as long as their product is in demand.

 

[Damn Right]

If you go to suburban areas you can make almost 15. I was talking to a manager of a mcdonalds in Laurel and he said they have to pay more because the CACS dont let their kids work there.

I'm against non-skilled workers making that much tho. I worked at McDonalds as a teen and that job is by far the easiest one I ever had. Especially now that all they have to do is hit pictures, and I could also do without the attitudes. And a majority of the McDonalds here in Bmore are made up of felons, dropouts, molesters, and idiots. I don't think they should make more because they choose to work that shitty job. If you don't want to learn a trade/Skill then you should make that much. I know people who work twice as hard as those workers and make barely 11/hr.

If anything they are asking for too much, I'd say 9-10 is enough for that job

but you have no problem with investment banking execs making anywhere from $30 million to $145 million in 'bonuses' in a single year though for doing practically nothing

dudes steady worrying about the next man making $15 an hour

 

[LSN]

Cosign this. I see why some people want them to make more money. But what skill or talent does it take to accomplish this job? You want them making as much as a chef who works at Friday's? I know that's not that great of a job but at least they cook the food & not just assemble microwave food. Where does it end? Should an electrician apprentice make more because they generally get paid $10 an hour? It's considered an entry level job for a reason.

it should end where the employer decides it ends...it's not for the public to say what they deserve cuz if it was then a surgeon would prolly be getting a hell lot more than a fuckin baseball player

 

[LSN]

but you have no problem with investment banking execs making anywhere from $30 million to $145 million in 'bonuses' in a single year though for doing practically nothing

dudes steady worrying about the next man making $15 an hour

...

 

[LSN]

doesn't seem to be any intelligent reasons for being against it...just selfishness..."I don't want them making more than I did" lol

 

[alexw]

Graduating from college with a degree my first job was in a lab making 16 bucks an hour why should someone with little to no education or skills make 15 bucks any hour?

Exactly.

man you dudes and your false sense of ego

your experiences after college has nothing to do with an everyday worker who could quite possibly be more intelligent than both of you combined

these multibillion dollar companies should not be able to pay these slave wages to their employees

and unlike the clothing industry, they cannot ship these jobs overseas

the workers should strike until they get paid a living salary

poor people have to realize their is power in numbers and that they are the lifeforce of the mcdonalds and walmarts

fuck your college educations....this shit isnt even similar

 

[Djmarkxr7]

If fast food workers make more, than it will cause a domino effect with other industries and companies such as Walmart. Millions of people would want a higher wage than somebody working at McDonalds. This would reduce profits of companies.

Supporting fast food workers is a good way for you to get higher pay indirectly.

Companies don't exist for you to get ahead, they exist to make money.

Why should a person doing a job that requires NO school, NO skill, and NO money make the same amount as someone who has received training for whatever?!?

And you're naive to believe that companies would settle for lower profits, they would either lay people off, or find a cheaper way to do things.

A $1 or $2 raise is fine, double-digits would upset the economy of local areas, how much remains to be seen, the big box stores like Wal-Mart & Target can easily absorb this, but smaller stores would likely be driven out of business.

 

[alexw]

Companies don't exist for you to get ahead, they exist to make money.

Why should a person doing a job that requires NO school, NO skill, and NO money make the same amount as someone who has received training for whatever?!?

And you're naive to believe that companies would settle for lower profits, they would either lay people off, or find a cheaper way to do things.

A $1 or $2 raise is fine, double-digits would upset the economy of local areas, how much remains to be seen, the big box stores like Wal-Mart & Target can easily absorb this, but smaller stores would likely be driven out of business.

This is the weakest argument yet

1. Companies can only get away with what their employees allowed them to. Its the reason unions were created. If these minimum wage workers striked, these companies would fall to their knees overnight.

2. Why do you care what someone else makes. Is that you feel threatened that your job doesnt pay enough even after your schooling? Maybe you should pick another line of work or demand better instead worrying what a fast food worker is earning. Shit reeks of ego. You need someone to feel better than

3. I dont know if youre aware of just delusional, but the walmarts have already destroyed small business. This isnt going to affect them at all.

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

If they go that high for a bottom of the barrell job like fast food (a first job for most kids in High School or just coming out), then literally EVERY company will have to follow suit and that would just be a mess cuz realistically, companies aren't about to increase their pay across the board $8 an hour more for everybody. But fast food is supposed to be a job you work at and then move forward from. Flipping burgers and taking food orders really doesn't deserve that much of a pay increase across the board, it fucks up the structure of everything. I'd understand if it was a low end hospitality job or something, but increasing pay that much for a 'starter' job, c'mon now. Make it 10/hr or something but 15/hr is a bit over-the-top.​

 

[alexw]

If they go that high for a bottom of the barrell job like fast food (a first job for most kids in High School or just coming out), then literally EVERY company will have to follow suit and that would just be a mess cuz realistically, companies aren't about to increase their pay across the board $8 an hour more for everybody. But fast food is supposed to be a job you work at and then move forward from. Flipping burgers and taking food orders really doesn't deserve that much of a pay increase across the board, it fucks up the structure of everything. I'd understand if it was a low end hospitality job or something, but increasing pay that much for a 'starter' job, c'mon now. Make it 10/hr or something but 15/hr is a bit over-the-top.​

man you dudes sound like walking bots for these corps

please explain to me how this fucks up anything?

the more a populace earns the more the economy improves

and these companies are not going to charge more for a big mac...im sorry

there is direct correlation between price and demand

if they drastically raise the price on a big mac, no one would want the shit

yall killing me with this bullshit

 

[Ceenote]

I think they should start at 9.50 progress every 6months 45/50 cent till they reach their max or 5 year mark. Their max should b 15/16$ an hour. They take a lot of shit for the rhings they have to do! 68 cent more for a sandwich aint gonna make or break me..