no doubt that has elements of hip hop...but those are one off. Hip Hop as an entity has
1. Its roots in the Bronx which was predominantly Caribbean and Puerto Rican in the early 70's
2. It was common the hear sound clashes from the block parties from the sound systems (something that happens in Jamaica all the time)
3. the creator of hip hop is Jamaican
now we know coming from a poor area in the late 60's and early 70's these things weren't recorded like things are today. People weren't walking around with smartphones recording everything. But if you are from NY, and used to listen to WHLI and WBLS with Mr Magic....you know the foundation of hip hop. Man no shame that hip hop had external influence, everything does. All music takes from the music that preceded it, tha twill never change.
Soooooo Caribbean’s was the dominant people in the south Bronx but couldn’t play Caribbean music and had to change the way they talk and dress to hide it from each other. Get this fool out of here
He said thank you for your "Contribution"
He didn't say thank you for CREATING Hip Hop.
Listen, I been around Hip Hop from DAY 1
Puerto Ricans, Dominicans and other Spanish people were right there too.
Knee deep in the culture in every aspect
Hip hop grew out of Funk music James Brown etc. The black artists in the late 60s and early 70 laid the ground work for what hip became in the late 70s. This is attempt to hijack another genre of music away from Black Americans. You can't say just cause there were a few PR around the neighborhood equates to 50/50.
Exactly.....
I've made this point a few times.
That's like having a few Italians in the community and down with the shit black folk were doing and saying the Italians were there from the beginning.
These dudes must be PR because they are working overtime to try and prove they were down with black folk like that.
THEY HELPED!!!!
How can they steal something they help create?
I been here from day 1. They definitely were instrumental in the process.
You buggin dogz
If Fat Joe is saying there were latinos at the beginning while respecting that it is Black American music, there is nothing wrong with that. If he is saying something different, thats a problem.
Joseph Antonio Cartagena, better known by his stage name Fat Joe, is an American rapper from New York City. Wikipedia
Born: August 19, 1970 (age 52 years), South Bronx, New York, NY
I appreciate that you mentioned respecting that it's black american music. The problem with Fat Joe, Pete Rock, Busta Rhymes is that they were all born in the 1970's. Their opinion is based on anecdotal information or something that they might have read about, but never actually lived. There are several videos on YouTube that feature interviews of men that were living in New York City in 1970 (Most of the men being interviewed were born between 1954 - 1963). Therefore, I feel more comfortable deferring to my elders (who were born in the mid 1950's and actually lived it) as a source of information regarding hip-hop/rap.
I love how these motherfuckers are making this distinction for defining ownership of the history of this cultural phenomenon we call "hip hop" but who willalso vehemently deny any deliniation of genealogy when it comes time to talk about how and who get some kind of reparations for this country's mistreatment of black folks. Nope then we all just POC.
Shit the Beastie boys contributed to Hip Hop. Does that mean the Jews were there from the beginning and were a part of creating it?
Because you know most Jews were down with Hip Hop.
Exactly.....
I've made this point a few times.
That's like having a few Italians in the community and down with the shit black folk were doing and saying the Italians were there from the beginning.
These dudes must be PR because they are working overtime to try and prove they were down with black folk like that.
Yeah, I am getting the working overtime vibe also, and it's very disheartening. There is a phlethora of videos featuring interviews of gentlemen that were present in NYC in 1971.The preponderance of their testimonials seems to support who was present and who was not.
Nevertheless, we are supposed to place more value in the words of individuals who were born in 1970?
Exactly.....
I've made this point a few times.
That's like having a few Italians in the community and down with the shit black folk were doing and saying the Italians were there from the beginning.
These dudes must be PR because they are working overtime to try and prove they were down with black folk like that.
Look I am from Brooklyn, moved to L.A. then to the Bronx, all I can say is that the Bronx is on some different type shit, especially when it comes to Blacks and Puerto Ricans, for one you can't tell who's black and who's from PR just by looking at them. Some look blacker than me, and some look white and others can't even speak Spanish. But the few years staying there they rarely brought up race, at the time it was more about the crew you were down with. Now in my real home Brooklyn, we were all black and at that time the 5%ers were running things.
But this is how shit really went down, rap came out of the Bronx while in Bklyn we were more into roller rinks and DJing, no so much rapping. But when Brooklyn went to the parties, we were the ones tearing up shit. To me this is where the real divide came, because us Brooklyn cats were about robbing, looking fly, and smashing pussy, so while the PR kats from the Bronx started break dancing and doing all that goofy shit, the boys from Brooklyn were fucking their women and robbing kats. After a while rap was divided into two camps, uptown and Brooklyn street rap, the uptown shit started getting fruitier and weirder, but they had the labels and money to back them up, meanwhile, in Brooklyn, the rap was street, broke, and just about partying.
As time went by, the Spanish people created their own music, they called it freestyle, you know that Lisa Lisa shit but it was singing with a hint of HIP HOP it was more B-boy music, while Brooklyn started making money in the studio. But when Run DMC came out they had that Brooklyn swag, style, and sound while Flash and those uptown boys started making electronic wack music to keep up with the soft B-Boys.
Soon after Rakim and Kane started popping off, even KRS who was from uptown had that Brooklyn sound to it.
As far as influence, Brooklyn was influenced more by James Brown, Bob James, and underground disco, the reason why Brooklyn was able to stick to the classics as opposed to going techno was because they wasn't worried about getting sued becasue their music was street and in the street there were no rules, as opposed to Sugar Hill, Epic and the early lables being forced to make generic beats for their uptown rappers. So even though the Bronx had an early advantage, the Brooklyn sound took over, becuase it better reflected what was going on in the streets. But after Rakim and Kane uptown music died off, even the newer acts like KRS one and Slick Rick, had that Brooklyn street vibe to it. As far as free style music, I really think that shit morphed into Reageton but don't hold me to it, I could be wrong.
Here is a sample of how the sound changed..
Early HIP HOP records
Uptown music started getting electronic
The birth of Freestyle music or Electronic dance music (this is where Madonna branched out from)
Early Brooklyn rap (where Run DMC branched out from) (Don't know if they are from brooklyn but this is how early Bklyn music sounded like) (where Whodini got their swagg from)
Brooklyn sound starts to dominate
(even though they were from Harlem they still had that Brooklyn street sound)
Meanwhile, in the Bronx, they were rocking corny gay shit like
By the end of the 80's the Brooklyn sound won the rap music sound and today modern rap all has its roots in the Brooklyn sound.
Another thing I failed to mention, back then Brooklyn rap went toe to toe against reggae music, and to an extent house, but instead of competing they merged the sound and after this came Biggie, Wu and Pac and it was a wrap!
Look I am from Brooklyn, moved to L.A. then to the Bronx, all I can say is that the Bronx is on some different type shit, especially when it comes to Blacks and Puerto Ricans, for one you can't tell who's black and who's from PR just by looking at them. Some look blacker than me, and some look white and others can't even speak Spanish. But the few years staying there they rarely brought up race, at the time it was more about the crew you were down with. Now in my real home Brooklyn, we were all black and at that time the 5%ers were running things.
But this is how shit really went down, rap came out of the Bronx while in Bklyn we were more into roller rinks and DJing, no so much rapping. But when Brooklyn went to the parties, we were the ones tearing up shit. To me this is where the real divide came, because us Brooklyn cats were about robbing, looking fly, and smashing pussy, so while the PR kats from the Bronx started break dancing and doing all that goofy shit, the boys from Brooklyn were fucking their women and robbing kats. After a while rap was divided into two camps, uptown and Brooklyn street rap, the uptown shit started getting fruitier and weirder, but they had the labels and money to back them up, meanwhile, in Brooklyn, the rap was street, broke, and just about partying.
As time went by, the Spanish people created their own music, they called it freestyle, you know that Lisa Lisa shit but it was singing with a hint of HIP HOP it was more B-boy music, while Brooklyn started making money in the studio. But when Run DMC came out they had that Brooklyn swag, style, and sound while Flash and those uptown boys started making electronic wack music to keep up with the soft B-Boys.
Soon after Rakim and Kane started popping off, even KRS who was from uptown had that Brooklyn sound to it.
As far as influence, Brooklyn was influenced more by James Brown, Bob James, and underground disco, the reason why Brooklyn was able to stick to the classics as opposed to going techno was because they wasn't worried about getting sued becasue their music was street and in the street there were no rules, as opposed to Sugar Hill, Epic and the early lables being forced to make generic beats for their uptown rappers. So even though the Bronx had an early advantage, the Brooklyn sound took over, becuase it better reflected what was going on in the streets. But after Rakim and Kane uptown music died off, even the newer acts like KRS one and Slick Rick, had that Brooklyn street vibe to it. As far as free style music, I really think that shit morphed into Reageton but don't hold me to it, I could be wrong.
Here is a sample of how the sound changed..
Early HIP HOP records
Uptown music started getting electronic
The birth of Freestyle music or Electronic dance music (this is where Madonna branched out from)
Early Brooklyn rap (where Run DMC branched out from) (Don't know if they are from brooklyn but this is how early Bklyn music sounded like) (where Whodini got their swagg from)
Brooklyn sound starts to dominate
(even though they were from Harlem they still had that Brooklyn street sound)
Meanwhile, in the Bronx, they were rocking corny gay shit like
By the end of the 80's the Brooklyn sound won the rap music sound and today modern rap all has its roots in the Brooklyn sound.
Another thing I failed to mention, back then Brooklyn rap went toe to toe against reggae music, and to an extent house, but instead of competing they merged the sound and after this came Biggie, Wu and Pac and it was a wrap!
You guys are arguing a whole lot on the wrong premise. The question is why are Latinos saying they CREATED hip-hop when it was really black people?". CREATED, not contributed. No one is arguing their contribution at all. But they DID NOT create hip-hop. Not rap. Not graffitti. Not breakdancing. Not DJing. If so, show me the Latino(s) that did it. Simple & plain.
Second, you guys are making a crucial mistake here. You are skipping a generation & not realizing it. I noticed a few of y'all start throwing in the Charlie Chase, Rubidee & Whipple Whip of the first known rap crews. However, what you fail to realize is that they are not the next generation. They're the 3rd generation. I consider Coke La Rock & DJ Hollywood the first MCs, if you know your history, you know why. Now, after that, you had cats all over town emulating what Herc & Coke did. We had Starsky out here in Harlem doing it. But see, those cats only did block parties & park jams. Wasn't no recording or video of that. If you watched that Grandmaster Caz video someone posted earlier, that's what he's referring to.
When the gang shit died down, that's when the rap crews started to form & do battle in different neighborhoods for the rep & sometimes money, if an OG put up some cash. This is where you get the Cold Crush Brothers, Fantastic Five, etc. from.
Understand Harlem even though they were officially uptown, they always moved more like Brooklyn than the Bronx, so when I say Brooklyn sound I don't mean Harlem wasn't down, this is why I threw in Douggie from Harlem and Slick from Brooklyn and KRS one who was from the Bronx but had a more street or Brooklyn style to him. But yeah most of the Bronx especially the Spanish sold out to that electronic crap,
Look I am from Brooklyn, moved to L.A. then to the Bronx, all I can say is that the Bronx is on some different type shit, especially when it comes to Blacks and Puerto Ricans, for one you can't tell who's black and who's from PR just by looking at them. Some look blacker than me, and some look white and others can't even speak Spanish. But the few years staying there they rarely brought up race, at the time it was more about the crew you were down with. Now in my real home Brooklyn, we were all black and at that time the 5%ers were running things.
But this is how shit really went down, rap came out of the Bronx while in Bklyn we were more into roller rinks and DJing, no so much rapping. But when Brooklyn went to the parties, we were the ones tearing up shit. To me this is where the real divide came, because us Brooklyn cats were about robbing, looking fly, and smashing pussy, so while the PR kats from the Bronx started break dancing and doing all that goofy shit, the boys from Brooklyn were fucking their women and robbing kats. After a while rap was divided into two camps, uptown and Brooklyn street rap, the uptown shit started getting fruitier and weirder, but they had the labels and money to back them up, meanwhile, in Brooklyn, the rap was street, broke, and just about partying.
As time went by, the Spanish people created their own music, they called it freestyle, you know that Lisa Lisa shit but it was singing with a hint of HIP HOP it was more B-boy music, while Brooklyn started making money in the studio. But when Run DMC came out they had that Brooklyn swag, style, and sound while Flash and those uptown boys started making electronic wack music to keep up with the soft B-Boys.
Soon after Rakim and Kane started popping off, even KRS who was from uptown had that Brooklyn sound to it.
As far as influence, Brooklyn was influenced more by James Brown, Bob James, and underground disco, the reason why Brooklyn was able to stick to the classics as opposed to going techno was because they wasn't worried about getting sued becasue their music was street and in the street there were no rules, as opposed to Sugar Hill, Epic and the early lables being forced to make generic beats for their uptown rappers. So even though the Bronx had an early advantage, the Brooklyn sound took over, becuase it better reflected what was going on in the streets. But after Rakim and Kane uptown music died off, even the newer acts like KRS one and Slick Rick, had that Brooklyn street vibe to it. As far as free style music, I really think that shit morphed into Reageton but don't hold me to it, I could be wrong.
Here is a sample of how the sound changed..
Early HIP HOP records
Uptown music started getting electronic
The birth of Freestyle music or Electronic dance music (this is where Madonna branched out from)
Early Brooklyn rap (where Run DMC branched out from) (Don't know if they are from brooklyn but this is how early Bklyn music sounded like) (where Whodini got their swagg from)
Brooklyn sound starts to dominate
(even though they were from Harlem they still had that Brooklyn street sound)
Meanwhile, in the Bronx, they were rocking corny gay shit like
By the end of the 80's the Brooklyn sound won the rap music sound and today modern rap all has its roots in the Brooklyn sound.
Another thing I failed to mention, back then Brooklyn rap went toe to toe against reggae music, and to an extent house, but instead of competing they merged the sound and after this came Biggie, Wu and Pac and it was a wrap!
Far as I knew, BK wasn't on no rap shit at all until like 85, when Run & them came out. Before that, BK had no presence in hip-hop. They did rob & steal but looking fly....Ion't know about all that....it took the Lo Lifes to get some Decepts to start stepping they gear up.
And explain how the Furious Five went electro. Everybody was following the Furious Five back then. Punk rock style, yeah, but electro...nope. That was Bam & them. And that was because of Bam DJing downtown & trying to get his record played there. "Planet Rock" & it's like had nothing at all to do with the BX hip-hop style. Cats saw Sugar Hill Gang blow & tried to get in where they fit in. Bam went the DJ route, Kurtis Blow went the parody song route, Treacherous Three tried but couldn't do it & Cold Crush & Fantastic Five stayed true.
My older cousin and I were talking about this and he shed some light. He said Kool Herc should be considered more of a curator, not creator, of Hip Hop meaning he brought the elements that existed together and made it more popular, but he neither was the first person to bring the 2 turntables and speakers outside to rock a park jam nor did he have the technical skills as DJ. He said that Grandmaster Flowers is the person that actually mixed the break together to extend the break that emcees would ultimately rhyme over. In terms of the Puerto Rican B-Boys, he said that Blacks created breaking, but Puerto Ricans took it to the floor, meaning that prior to that Blacks were just uprocking. I heard a Crazy Legs interview he said that he invented the windmill and backspinning . Someone in here mentioned Coke La Rock being the first emcee and my cousin said the same thing to me. I wasn't alive during the beginning, so I keep an open mind. I wonder if Fat Joe misspoke or it was intentional since Hip Hop will be 50 years old next year and I'm sure that it will have a lot of coverage. I remember people thinking that it was just a fad. Created and contributed are completely different and I cannot agree that it was 50/50 when in fact the all the evidence seems to support that it was created by Black Americans. Fat Joe seems to have sparked something that is bringing more Hip Hop history to the forefront which is a good thing in my opinion.
What specifically did Latinos contribute? If you did contribute I’ll give you credit for that. But I see some posters they WANT to give Latinos credit and not with facts. It’s like they need Latinos validation to feel good about themselves.
Far as I knew, BK wasn't on no rap shit at all until like 85, when Run & them came out. Before that, BK had no presence in hip-hop. They did rob & steal but looking fly....Ion't know about all that....it took the Lo Lifes to get some Decepts to start stepping they gear up.
And explain how the Furious Five went electro. Everybody was following the Furious Five back then. Punk rock style, yeah, but electro...nope. That was Bam & them. And that was because of Bam DJing downtown & trying to get his record played there. "Planet Rock" & it's like had nothing at all to do with the BX hip-hop style. Cats saw Sugar Hill Gang blow & tried to get in where they fit in. Bam went the DJ route, Kurtis Blow went the parody song route, Treacherous Three tried but couldn't do it & Cold Crush & Fantastic Five stayed true.
I know for a fact Brooklyn had rappers, but they were underground and weren't trying to make records, and the Lo lifes and the Decepts started popping off arond the late mid 90's around the time of Special Ed and Kool G rap, but before then most folks were God Body. But Brooklyn did have more DJs than rappers because back then you had Rap, Dancehall, and House and unlike the Bronx, they did not divide into two genres rap and electronic, instead, the Brooklyn sound evolved by merging with the two creating a sound that we are familiar today.
What specifically did Latinos contribute? If you did contribute I’ll give you credit for that. But I see some posters they WANT to give Latinos credit and not with facts. It’s like they need Latinos validation to feel good about themselves.
If you guys want to get on the Puerto Ricans you can say they abandon rap, refusing to get on board the Brooklyn sound (I think they were salty because them Brooklyn kats handed their asses in the club) this is why they love Big Pun and Fat Joe so much because this marked the time when they came back to HIP HOP.
You guys are arguing a whole lot on the wrong premise. The question is why are Latinos saying they CREATED hip-hop when it was really black people?". CREATED, not contributed. No one is arguing their contribution at all. But they DID NOT create hip-hop. Not rap. Not graffitti. Not breakdancing. Not DJing. If so, show me the Latino(s) that did it. Simple & plain.
Second, you guys are making a crucial mistake here. You are skipping a generation & not realizing it. I noticed a few of y'all start throwing in the Charlie Chase, Rubidee & Whipple Whip of the first known rap crews. However, what you fail to realize is that they are not the next generation. They're the 3rd generation. I consider Coke La Rock & DJ Hollywood the first MCs, if you know your history, you know why. Now, after that, you had cats all over town emulating what Herc & Coke did. We had Starsky out here in Harlem doing it. But see, those cats only did block parties & park jams. Wasn't no recording or video of that. If you watched that Grandmaster Caz video someone posted earlier, that's what he's referring to.
When the gang shit died down, that's when the rap crews started to form & do battle in different neighborhoods for the rep & sometimes money, if an OG put up some cash. This is where you get the Cold Crush Brothers, Fantastic Five, etc. from.
No, they said they help created, which is the same as contributing, to be honest, no one person actually created HIP HIP, in reality, it was a movement created by the void left by disco. I say Spanish contributed about 20% of the original HIP HOP but like I said they abandoned it in the 90s for the freestyle electronic crap. Then they returned back with Pun and Joe but by then everybody was rapping.
Look I am from Brooklyn, moved to L.A. then to the Bronx, all I can say is that the Bronx is on some different type shit, especially when it comes to Blacks and Puerto Ricans, for one you can't tell who's black and who's from PR just by looking at them. Some look blacker than me, and some look white and others can't even speak Spanish. But the few years staying there they rarely brought up race, at the time it was more about the crew you were down with. Now in my real home Brooklyn, we were all black and at that time the 5%ers were running things.
But this is how shit really went down, rap came out of the Bronx while in Bklyn we were more into roller rinks and DJing, no so much rapping. But when Brooklyn went to the parties, we were the ones tearing up shit. To me this is where the real divide came, because us Brooklyn cats were about robbing, looking fly, and smashing pussy, so while the PR kats from the Bronx started break dancing and doing all that goofy shit, the boys from Brooklyn were fucking their women and robbing kats. After a while rap was divided into two camps, uptown and Brooklyn street rap, the uptown shit started getting fruitier and weirder, but they had the labels and money to back them up, meanwhile, in Brooklyn, the rap was street, broke, and just about partying.
As time went by, the Spanish people created their own music, they called it freestyle, you know that Lisa Lisa shit but it was singing with a hint of HIP HOP it was more B-boy music, while Brooklyn started making money in the studio. But when Run DMC came out they had that Brooklyn swag, style, and sound while Flash and those uptown boys started making electronic wack music to keep up with the soft B-Boys.
Soon after Rakim and Kane started popping off, even KRS who was from uptown had that Brooklyn sound to it.
As far as influence, Brooklyn was influenced more by James Brown, Bob James, and underground disco, the reason why Brooklyn was able to stick to the classics as opposed to going techno was because they wasn't worried about getting sued becasue their music was street and in the street there were no rules, as opposed to Sugar Hill, Epic and the early lables being forced to make generic beats for their uptown rappers. So even though the Bronx had an early advantage, the Brooklyn sound took over, becuase it better reflected what was going on in the streets. But after Rakim and Kane uptown music died off, even the newer acts like KRS one and Slick Rick, had that Brooklyn street vibe to it. As far as free style music, I really think that shit morphed into Reageton but don't hold me to it, I could be wrong.
Here is a sample of how the sound changed..
Early HIP HOP records
Uptown music started getting electronic
The birth of Freestyle music or Electronic dance music (this is where Madonna branched out from)
Early Brooklyn rap (where Run DMC branched out from) (Don't know if they are from brooklyn but this is how early Bklyn music sounded like) (where Whodini got their swagg from)
Brooklyn sound starts to dominate
(even though they were from Harlem they still had that Brooklyn street sound)
Meanwhile, in the Bronx, they were rocking corny gay shit like
By the end of the 80's the Brooklyn sound won the rap music sound and today modern rap all has its roots in the Brooklyn sound.
Another thing I failed to mention, back then Brooklyn rap went toe to toe against reggae music, and to an extent house, but instead of competing they merged the sound and after this came Biggie, Wu and Pac and it was a wrap!
Your right about some things. Slick Rick was not no Brooklyn sound. Everything he rapped about was Bronx to sally from the valley which is uptown Bronx where puffy body guard wolf is from. If you watch a movie called rubble kings that’s where the divide ended. And as far as the sound queens sounds more like Brooklyn in the 90s but in the 80s with run dmc it was more of a Bronx Harlem street feel being that was a supreme team thing and they’re ties were all o Harlem. The Brooklyn thing was the grimey shit. Jay z was not that. He was on the Harlem shit. The hustlers. Even dmc named himself after grandmaster Kaz. I guess at this point everyone will try to steer the narrative. I don’t know about Brooklyn robbing Puerto Ricans so I can’t speak on that. But they was definitely in Harlem. But they wasn’t getting over in that shit on bx niccas but I will give you they was deep in the clubs or at least everybody was claiming they was from Brooklyn. But even if you watch the movie the warriors the gang headquarters was in the Bronx. So let’s not make this a boro thing. Stick To the topic at hand
I will say they were there as "sprinkles". Think less than 5%, so if you want that small as credit, fine. I am a Harlem niggas who actually went to park jams as a young nigga where my aunt lived in Bronx River PJs in '80 and '81. Had my canvas Nikes on with the sky blue check and rubber toe fronts thinking I was the shit.
In saying that, them niggas is Michael Jordran status when it comes to grafitti. I remember in 5th grade my Puerto Rican nigga Anthony was selling niggas whole burners of niggas names on looseleaf, getting a dollar per pop. That was good money in '85.
Far as I knew, BK wasn't on no rap shit at all until like 85, when Run & them came out. Before that, BK had no presence in hip-hop. They did rob & steal but looking fly....Ion't know about all that....it took the Lo Lifes to get some Decepts to start stepping they gear up.
And explain how the Furious Five went electro. Everybody was following the Furious Five back then. Punk rock style, yeah, but electro...nope. That was Bam & them. And that was because of Bam DJing downtown & trying to get his record played there. "Planet Rock" & it's like had nothing at all to do with the BX hip-hop style. Cats saw Sugar Hill Gang blow & tried to get in where they fit in. Bam went the DJ route, Kurtis Blow went the parody song route, Treacherous Three tried but couldn't do it & Cold Crush & Fantastic Five stayed true.
Don't forget WBLS had Mr. Magic on Saturday night and he used to play Whodini's
"Magic Wand." (1982) But, I see what you are saying with them getting involved commercially a few years later.
No, they said they help created, which is the same as contributing, to be honest, no one person actually created HIP HIP, in reality, it was a movement created by the void left by disco. I say Spanish contributed about 20% of the original HIP HOP but like I said they abandoned it in the 90s for the freestyle electronic crap. Then they returned back with Pun and Joe but by then everybody was rapping.
Creating and contributing is not the same. A lot of people contribute to the lottery. But did they create it. 2 different things. Teachers can contribute to your child’s development but did they create them. No
No, they said they help created, which is the same as contributing, to be honest, no one person actually created HIP HIP, in reality, it was a movement created by the void left by disco. I say Spanish contributed about 20% of the original HIP HOP but like I said they abandoned it in the 90s for the freestyle electronic crap. Then they returned back with Pun and Joe but by then everybody was rapping.
Don't forget WBLS had Mr. Magic on Saturday night and he used to play Whodini's
"Magic Wand." (1982) But, I see what you are saying with them getting involved commercially a few years later.
For the record I will say Fba and just the Puerto Ricans I knew had a good relationship in the Bronx. But so did the white people that was left after white flight. But before that there was a line drawn for the majority.
Your right about some things. Slick Rick was not no Brooklyn sound. Everything he rapped about was Bronx to sally from the valley which is uptown Bronx where puffy body guard wolf is from. If you watch a movie called rubble kings that’s where the divide ended. And as far as the sound queens sounds more like Brooklyn in the 90s but in the 80s with run dmc it was more of a Bronx Harlem street feel being that was a supreme team thing and they’re ties were all o Harlem. The Brooklyn thing was the grimey shit. Jay z was not that. He was on the Harlem shit. The hustlers. Even dmc named himself after grandmaster Kaz. I guess at this point everyone will try to steer the narrative. I don’t know about Brooklyn robbing Puerto Ricans so I can’t speak on that. But they was definitely in Harlem. But they wasn’t getting over in that shit on bx niccas but I will give you they was deep in the clubs or at least everybody was claiming they was from Brooklyn. But even if you watch the movie the warriors the gang headquarters was in the Bronx. So let’s not make this a boro thing. Stick To the topic at hand
Your right about some things. Slick Rick was not no Brooklyn sound. Everything he rapped about was Bronx to sally from the valley which is uptown Bronx where puffy body guard wolf is from. If you watch a movie called rubble kings that’s where the divide ended. And as far as the sound queens sounds more like Brooklyn in the 90s but in the 80s with run dmc it was more of a Bronx Harlem street feel being that was a supreme team thing and they’re ties were all o Harlem. The Brooklyn thing was the grimey shit. Jay z was not that. He was on the Harlem shit. The hustlers. Even dmc named himself after grandmaster Kaz. I guess at this point everyone will try to steer the narrative. I don’t know about Brooklyn robbing Puerto Ricans so I can’t speak on that. But they was definitely in Harlem. But they wasn’t getting over in that shit on bx niccas but I will give you they was deep in the clubs or at least everybody was claiming they was from Brooklyn. But even if you watch the movie the warriors the gang headquarters was in the Bronx. So let’s not make this a boro thing. Stick To the topic at hand
Slick was from England but lived in Flatbush but always had a reggae flow to him and his sound was definitely street or more Brooklyn underground sound remember the line when he said
She said, "I need Veronica Place that's right near Tilden"
I said, "I know where that's at cause that's right next to my building"
That's in Flatbush.
But about time Puff and Biggie got in the game rap music had that street or Brooklyn style to it. For those who dont' know let me show you the difference between Brooklyn (underground rap) and the how the Bronx sound started morphing to (commercial music)
Commercial Bronx sound
Notice the cheesy sounding beat
Brooklyn (underground rap)
Bronx original rap (underground)
You can cleary hear how the original Bronx sound got watered down by the early lables going from sounding hard and bumping to cheesy and campy, and how the Brooklyn sound took it back to the og source.
Help create is contributing, while creating alone isn't
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Slick was from England but lived in Flatbush but always had a reggae flow to him and his sound was definitely street or more Brooklyn underground sound remember the line when he said
She said, "I need Veronica Place that's right near Tilden"
I said, "I know where that's at cause that's right next to my building"
That's in Flatbush.
But about time Puff and Biggie got in the game rap music had that street or Brooklyn style to it. For those who dont' know let me show you the difference between Brooklyn (underground rap) and the how the Bronx sound started morphing to (commercial music)
Commercial Bronx sound
Notice the cheesy sounding beat
Brooklyn (underground rap)
Bronx original rap (underground)
You can cleary hear how the original Bronx sound got watered down by the early lables going from sounding hard and bumping to cheesy and campy, and how the Brooklyn sound took it back to the og source.
Sorry but slick developed his style with Dana Dane in LaGuardia high school in the Bronx which is why they have the same style cause they was in the same crew. . I bring facts not opinion. He currently lives around the corner from me. Still. This is also documented
Sorry but slick developed his style with Dana Dane in LaGuardia high school in the Bronx which is why they have the same style cause they was in the same crew. . I bring facts not opinion.
They were down with the Kangol crew and Dana Dane got his style from slick. But their music was the underground street Brooklyn style. PLus LaGuardia is located in Manhattan!
I know you deleted it but for those who are doubting.
Fiorello H. LaGuardia High School of Music & Art and Performing Arts, often referred to simply as LaGuardia, is a public high school specializing in teaching visual arts and performing arts, located near Lincoln Center in the Lincoln Square neighborhood of the Upper West Side in Manhattan, New York City. Wikipedia
A 3-min walk from the Metropolitan Opera House
Funny thing, Jalil Hutchins's brother used to work next door to me (same agency) and Jam Master Jay's cousin worked with me (different agency). Jay's cousin looked like his twin and dressed exactly like him (he looked like a member of Run DMC). One morning I remember him bringing in a photo album which had many pictures of the group on tour. What was really cool was the photos he had of the group "hugged up" with some of the pretty Soul train dancers.