Why are bi-racial people(Black/____) always consider Black?

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Why are bi-racial people(Black/____) always considered Black first?

I was just reading the thread someone made about Tim Duncan sounding white, which was ignorant in itself. But, this got me thinking about something else that I find myself doing which is if someone is half Black and (white,asian, hispanic.etc) we always see them as black first. I know some of that has to do with slavery and slave owner not claiming the kids they conceived with slaves, but genetically speaking isnt someone who is bi-racial just as (white, asian, hispanic, etc) as they are black). Some people might counter this and say ,"Well, if they act "black" or are more closer to they're Black side then thats what they are" ,but that would leave the door open for Blackness to be a state of mind and not a race anymore.

I dunno just tryin to spark some intelligent convo on this subject.
A few famous Black/_____.. Tiger Woods , Barrack Obama, Bob Marley (almost killed me when I heard that) and many others I can think of right now
 
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Bleh. I am mixed but not first generation. From way back. Anyway, black genes are definitely dominant to start with. Second, white people see us as black the same as any full black person. Hell yeah I am black in the state of mind aspect. If I or most other mixed with white people went around talking about we white we would get laughed right out the door. I know plenty of mixed people that think they are white and can't stand black people. You can find them at http://www.mulatto.org and http://www.mixedfolks.com . There is one girl who takes it so far she says she is white. Her logic is if I can call myself Black, she can call myself white. Bottom line: we still can barely get a taxi,still get pulled over profile style, basically are seen as Black (or sometimes mistaken for Latino) by most of the world. Many if they say their mother is white, the white people will act like they joking or something or say you kinda dark to be half white or whatever. On the flip side, we get alot of clowning and animosity from alot of black people too. "We think we better cause we lite", "We think we white", etc. Sometimes if I call myself mixed instead of Black, Black folks will go BALLISTIC on me.
 
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What the fuck is "acting black"?
 
laws of genetics state (in summary): black genes are dominant, white genes are recessive
 
OTHER THAN THIS LISTED BELOW IT IS YOUR OPINION WHAT YOU ARE IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO CLAIM ANY PART OF YOUR HERITAGE YOU WISH, THE DRAW BACK IS IT IS ALSO AT EVERYBODY DISCRETION TO CLASSIFY YOU BASED ON THEIR OPINION AS WELL....

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Given a choice, who wouldn't want to be black?

Even with all the bullshit. I wouldnt trade it for the world.

Real Talk..
 
Re: Why are bi-racial people(Black/____) always considered Black first?

because no one is BLACK.

BLACK is a word used to describe ourselves which represents the ancestry of the african slaves. there is no country that is BLACK, but there is AFRICA. we are AFRICAN. full "BLACK" or half "BLACK" it's all the same. in the end whitey still sees you as a ******.

arguing over this is just a result of slavery. (see WILLY LYNCH LETTER)...divide and conquer.
 
mrjody said:
Given a choice, who wouldn't want to be black?

Even with all the bullshit. I wouldnt trade it for the world.

Real Talk..

Anyone who wants to be what they are not has issues.

There is nothing wrong with ethnic pride if you are white, black, Korean, or whatever.

The problems arise when one totally criticizes a different culture "just because".

There is a semantic difference between pride and arrogance.
 
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NativeSon said:
because no one is BLACK.

BLACK is a word used to describe ourselves which represents the ancestry of the african slaves. there is no country that is BLACK, but there is AFRICA. we are AFRICAN. full "BLACK" or half "BLACK" it's all the same. in the end whitey still sees you as a ******.

arguing over this is just a result of slavery. (see WILLY LYNCH LETTER)...divide and conquer.


Black is universal mathematics. Africa is after Leo Africanus who was a white man. Black is dominant on every scientific level. Back in the 60's and 70's when well all connected with being called Black, it was harder to fuck with the unity because no matter where we where from on the planet, we connect like the God's do.
 
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it only takes one drop, been like that since the Constitution was scribed
 
Halle Berry is half black/white. She said that when she was a little girl her white mother put her in front of a mirror and told her that she was black. Her mother told her she looks black so people are going to treat her like she's black and accept her as a black person. If you are bi-racial with brown skin people are going to see you as a black person.
 
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NativeSon said:
because no one is BLACK.

BLACK is a word used to describe ourselves which represents the ancestry of the african slaves. there is no country that is BLACK, but there is AFRICA. we are AFRICAN. full "BLACK" or half "BLACK" it's all the same. in the end whitey still sees you as a ******.

arguing over this is just a result of slavery. (see WILLY LYNCH LETTER)...divide and conquer.

Following your own logic, there is no WHITE either. Paraphrasing what you wrote; there is no country that is WHITE, but there is EUROPE.

Just stating the other side... in the end, as others have said, it is the individuals right to say what they consider themselves to be.
 
funny that this should come up , myself and some co-workers just noticed that Prisons have been classifying hispanics as white. WTF is that about!
 
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Funny thing is some reporters asked some asian guys if they considered Tiger woods part Asian. They said w/o hesitation..."Not even a little bit" Like everyone has said, it only takes one drop of black and that makes you 100% black.
 
lets keep it simple. white things are considered to be pure, clean, and untainted. this country was founded on that priciple. anything that is unpure or dirty is not considered to be white, hence black people. if ur were not 100% white back in a day, u where considered unpure. need i go on, cause i can
 
BlacRam357 said:
funny that this should come up , myself and some co-workers just noticed that Prisons have been classifying hispanics as white. WTF is that about!


Anybody who speaks spanish can be hispanic. Latino is how most connect themselves with the native parts of the world. If an Irish white man learned spanish, he could pass. If he called himself Latino, he get his ass kicked.
 
Here is the crazy lady who thinks shes white and wants nothing to do with being black or part black or anything. I can't stand this bitch. A.D, Powell:

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n May 15 I heard Juan Williams on "Talk of the Nation" and "black" journalist and professor Neil Henry (author of Pearl's Secret: A Black Man's Search for his White Family) tell their audience of millions that "one drop of black blood makes you black." They said this as a FACT. The Latinos, of course, were conveniently not mentioned. If the "one drop" myth were true, then nearly all Latinos would be "black." That's why Latinos are now spoken of as a separate "race" (while leaving the escape hatch that Latinos can be "of any race"). Somewhere a person of mixed ancestry who is struggling with whether or not to reject hypodescent listened to Juan Williams and was persuaded that he has "no choice." Somewhere some "whites" who are confused about why some people call themselves "black" when they don't have that phenotype have learned from "the experts" that a good non-racist liberal defines "black" by "blood drops."
On May 17, NPR continued its promotion of forced hypodescent by interviewing Earl Lewis and Heidi Ardizzone, the supposedly "black" and "white" authors, respectively of Love on Trial: An American Scandal in Black and White. Their book is a history of the infamous 1920's "Rhinelander" case, in which a high society poor excuse for a man named Leonard Rhnelander tried to get his marriage to quadroon Alice Jones annulled because she allegedly "lied" about her "race."

Lewis and Ardizzone, like Neil Henry, are advocates of the idea that anyone who even might have a "drop" of the dreaded "black blood" is instantly a member of the "black race" and "African American" ethnic group. They want people to believe that you can be "black" without even knowing it. Non-black phenotypes and cultures are dismissed as unimportant. Note again that, through silence, they pay tribute to the greatest "passers" of all, the Latinos and Arab-Americans, by being careful not to mention their embarrassing relationship to the "race" they claim to champion.

Ironically, the books cited above lead one to question most of the "mulatto elite" values their authors hold dear. Neil Henry claims that his quadroon great-grandmother, Pearl was "proud" to be "black." However, her life story tells of a woman who "walked" the color line, even in Jim Crow St. Louis. Pearl took "white" lovers and did not behave the way a "respectable" light-skinned credit to the "Negro race" was supposed to behave. Pearl's "secret" was that she kept in touch with her "pure" white family in Louisiana after moving to St. Louis. She was afraid to tell her "Negro" family about it because she feared ridicule. As every good, black-identified "mulatto elite" person knows, "white" genes are to be cherished as a source of beauty, intelligence and "good" hair, but "white" people are to be rejected as "the enemy."

Neil Henry tells of a trip he took to Greece in which Greeks started speaking to him in their native tongue because he "looked Greek" to them. Neil relates this tale with typical "mulatto elite" astonishment at being assigned a "superior" identity. He can't get over it. Henry's family is nearly all "mulatto elite" or mixed to varying degrees, with typical "mulatto elite" values. Young Neil must be the best student in school in order to prove to "whites" that "blacks" aren't inferior. He must be "proud" of his [black] "race," while cherishing light skin and "good" hair. He must consider himself indisputably "black" even though he seems to have nothing in common with the "real" black kids. His culture is too "white" for them. He denies the contradictions of his "black" public identity and his mixed-race reality.

In Love on Trial, Lewis and Ardizzone use their editorial perogative to continually describe Alice Jones as "black" and "African American" as if these were objective facts. Yet, Alice was the daughter of immigrants from England. She had no ancestors among American "Negroes" or even mulattoes. Her mother was described as "pure white" and her father's ancestry was actually unknown. He was the son of a working class white Englishwoman and a father who was presumed to be from one of the colonies of the British empire. To this day, Alice's paternal grandfather has not been identified -- racially or otherwise. Her father, George Jones, was darker than "white" but otherwise had no Negroid characteristics. Culturally, the Jones family (including two other daughters) did not consider themselves "black" or "Negro" and did not participate in "Negro" organizations. Like many mixed families, they varied their answers when completing the "race" question on official documents. Sometimes they were "colored" and sometimes "white." The authors admit that "colored" was not synonymous with "black" or "Negro," and the Jones family did not consider an admission of "colored blood" to be synonymous with accepting membership in the "Negro race."

The irony, again, is that the actual facts of the case show the ambiguity of mixed-race status. If Alice had been "black," she would not have defeated Rhinelander's suit. She would not have acquired massive sympathy from working class "whites" as a poor working class girl mistreated by a cowardly, high society cad who professed his undying love and them submitted to the authority of his aristocratic father. Also, contrary to the "passing" myth (upon which the "lying" about "race" accusation rested), Leonard was well acquainted with Alice's parents, her sisters, and even a really "black" brother-in-law. He often visited their home while he was courting Alice. The jury realized that Alice's husband didn't care about her ancestry until his father put the screws to him.

Finally, it must be noted that Neil Henry (professor of journalism at the Univeristy of California, Berkeley), Earl Lewis (professor of history and dean of graduate studies at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor) and Heidi Ardizzone (teaches American studies at the University of Notre Dame) are gatekeepers of official knowledge on "race." They KNOW that, legally, the "one drop rule" has no status or power. They KNOW that the "black" ancestry of their Latino, North African and Arab colleagues proves that. They have jobs where they can spend all their time promoting the "one drop" myth at the taxpayers' expense.

Heidi Ardizzone says she's working on a second book called Red Blooded Americans: Race, Mulattoes, and National Identity. We've seen the propaganda we can expect from her. I suggest that she read my review of Whiteness of a Different Color: European Immigrants and the Alchemy of Race. Italian-Americans were once almost mulatto.

The real facts about "race" will never be taught at Berkeley or Ann Arbor. You will never hear the truth about "race" on National Public Radio. "Black" elites and their "white liberal" allies will see to that.
 
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Hmm, didnt know the black gene was dominant, I guess base on just color mixed people could be considered black, but there are many other features. Are black genes more dominant in general?
 
femmenoire said:
I normally keep comments about mutts to myself but this girl is such a cutie, very sweet and wholesome and can sing.

I hope she puts out a good authentic and unsappy album because although she can sing, she seems a little boring.

And every show she was on, she looked like she lost more weight. I'm sure her PR person has been on her about it.


While we are on the subject. I thought that this was interesting comment. I thought it was very dismissive of Bi-Racial people and racist. Almost akin to a white person calling a Black person a ******.
 
Deezz said:
While we are on the subject. I thought that this was interesting comment. I thought it was very dismissive of Bi-Racial people and racist. Almost akin to a white person calling a Black person a ******.
Well, well well look at that and I was liking femmenoire too. Well femmenoire you can go fuck your motherscunt with a chainsaw :angry: Its because of people like you that other mixed people want nothing to do with being black. I normally keep my comments about obese people to myself.
 
Jim Crow laws are still in effect. That One-Drop rule is still being carried on, so it's easier for mixed people to find acceptance in the black community. Mixed people who go against the status quo are outcast for being sell-outs.

Declaring yourself biracial is not about being ashamed of being black. It is about being proud of who you are, including the part of you that is black. People of all races should be proud of their backgrounds. And so mixed people should be proud of their entire background.
 
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It's how those who define the social construct see you.

In America:

If you are bi-racial and look black, you will be treated as black

If you are bi-racial and look white, you will be treated as white

If you are bi-racial and want to be white but you are treated as black......you will be fucked up in the head.

If you are bi-racial and want to be black but you are treated as white.....you will be fucked in the head.


It's a tough road for bi-racial people.

However most times it is a bit easier on the black side.


Therefore you have some identity issues brought about by over-compensation by bi-racial people:

* those that want to be white can actually engage in behaviors that tend to put blacks in a bad light and try to re-inforce the wrong assumption about behaviors being a cause of racism

* Those that want to be black becoming even more militant than those that are much darker in complexion e.g Toussaint le Overture, Bob Marley, Malcolm X
 
Incarcer8dagain said:
lets keep it simple. white things are considered to be pure, clean, and untainted. this country was founded on that priciple. anything that is unpure or dirty is not considered to be white, hence black people. if ur were not 100% white back in a day, u where considered unpure. need i go on, cause i can

considered by who? don't beleive everything youre told/taught
 
mrjody said:
Given a choice, who wouldn't want to be black?

Even with all the bullshit. I wouldnt trade it for the world.

Real Talk..


^^^^^^^
I co-sign EVERY SINGLE character in this statement. I'd much rather fight, and suffer through it before I betray myself. Indeed a leopard cannot change his spots. And that is a great thing!


I find this quote rather appropriate for the thread
"I WAS BORN BLACK, I LIVE BLACK. AND PROBABLY GON' DIE, BECAUSE I'M BLACK. BECAUSE OF SOME CRACKA, WHO KNOWS I'M BLACK, BETTA THAN YOU NIGGA . . . IS PROBABLY GON' PUT A BULLET IN MY HEAD!!" Willie - 'The Spook Who Sat By The Door'

JG
 
I feel sorry for bi-racial kids when I see them. There is this white chick at my job that has a bi-racial son thats 15. The chick is going out with this red neck white dude that says nigga shit to her all the time so you know her son is catching hell. I see white try to raise there bi-racial kids to be white and the kids think they are white and they by into all the stereotypes that white people have about black. When the kid gets older and starts to see that no mater how hard they try they are never going to be white, so then they start trying to act black or what they think black is. I got a bi-racial friend that has never been raised around any black people but she acts so rude and ghetto because the only black people she knows are the ones on tv and that who she acts like.
 
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bigirl said:
Sometimes if I call myself mixed instead of Black, Black folks will go BALLISTIC on me.

only cuz we love your sexy ass
 
Bain316 said:
one drop rule!
Dominant gene b/c it gives that person color.

One drop. Let them who think they are white step to the KKK. They will help ya decide quickly what side of the room you want to hang with faster than you can get the color back in your face. :D REALITY BITES.
 
WorldEX said:
One drop. Let them who think they are white step to the KKK. They will help ya decide quickly what side of the room you want to hang with faster than you can get the color back in your face. :D REALITY BITES.
This is my point exactly. They call us "muds" and the more white looking or "passable" the mixed person the more they hate them.
 
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