Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Damn!

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Niggas are always looking for an easy win or easy way out.

Those are the easiest people to scam.:yes:
 
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I was just thinking how creflo dollar and pastors alike love to say God needs the money. If the offering was real shouldn't these christians be burning the money because thats how offerings were given in the bible. Even then if it takes someone to donate money to be blessed how come the same pastors that teach this doctrine don't donate money themselves.
 
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Sr. Pastor Antonio Thomas breaks it down for you

This perfectly highlights the stupidity among pastors. For the frst 8 minutes he was speaking sense until he regurgitated the false christian mantra of the law of the old testament is no longer in effect:smh: This is why pastors still command power over the black community because most of the message is good but the final outcome is deceit.
 
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This perfectly highlights the stupidity among pastors. For the frst 8 minutes he was speaking sense until he regurgitated the false christian mantra of the law of the old testament is no longer in effect:smh: This is why pastors still command power over the black community because most of the message is good but the final outcome is deceit.
Huh? :dunno:
 
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The old law of the old testament was never done away with. The people that did away with the law were the catholics and they altered the bible to suite their desires.If you ask any christian about the law they will gladly point you to romans 10:4 which says in english that CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW. But if you look at the same verse in greek the language of the oldest surving new testament manuscript the word mistranlated word END In greek is TELOS which means purpose. If you reread the verse again properly it should say christ is the purpose of the law. Theres no place in the bible that did away with the old testament this is why you see the whole new testament is focused on the teachings of the old testament rather than funny catholic dogma like easter, christmas, churches, pastors and whatever ridiculous customs christians
 
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The old law of the old testament was never done away with. The people that did away with the law were the catholics and they altered the bible to suite their desires.If you ask any christian about the law they will gladly point you to romans 10:4 which says in english that CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW. But if you look at the same verse in greek the language of the oldest surving new testament manuscript the word mistranlated word END In greek is TELOS which means purpose. If you reread the verse again properly it should say christ is the purpose of the law. Theres no place in the bible that did away with the old testament this is why you see the whole new testament is focused on the teachings of the old testament rather than funny catholic dogma like easter, christmas, churches, pastors and whatever ridiculous customs christians

Definitely! I am a believer in the Bible but I don't co-sign on a lot of this new age stuff (i.e. the stuff Creflo spoke of in this video). Now, I am not perfect by any means, but I do understand certain aspect of Biblical teaching. First thing is, the process of certain aspects of New Testament Law have been done away with (I can go into many specifics but as of now I don't have time), but the fundamentals and principles of the old testament law still are to be followed. The issue with a lot of people, both Christian and Non-Christian (I do hate that word by the way), is that they take one scripture, and build a whole movement and belief system on it. The Bible does say 'we all know in part, then it says, consider the whole matter...'. That's why cats like Creflo can do what they do, and non believer can come on hear and spew the foolishness they do, discounting not only the Bible but other religions. Anyway, as much as Creflo is talking about lining up and killing people, where does he preach repentance? He does say thank God we are under the Blood, but his hearts desire is to do contrary to what the Bible preaches about repentance. If people opened their eyes completely to this thing, they would definitely find holes in his belief system. Also, it is funny how these guys through out all the promises of God are built on the tithe (healing, deliverance, etc), but their primary focus is materialistic things?!?! Why is it we don't see videos of people being 'truly' healed, etc. on some of Creflo and Leroy Thompson's videos? It's easier to swindle people being able to by big homes, cars, planes, clothes, than it is to have people see a real unexplainable act!!! All and all, I just wish people wouldn't just blindly follow these Dudes, who are getting rich playing on the emotions of primarily struggling people. How can a man with character, see people in his church struggling to live, and still take their money? When do this Dude's, say, 'look, I see you struggling so I am going to give something back to you'. Their is the anointing of exchange detailed in the bible too, but they won't preach that! :smh::angry:
 
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Definitely! I am a believer in the Bible but I don't co-sign on a lot of this new age stuff (i.e. the stuff Creflo spoke of in this video). Now, I am not perfect by any means, but I do understand certain aspect of Biblical teaching. First thing is, the process of certain aspects of New Testament Law have been done away with (I can go into many specifics but as of now I don't have time), but the fundamentals and principles of the old testament law still are to be followed. The issue with a lot of people, both Christian and Non-Christian (I do hate that word by the way), is that they take one scripture, and build a whole movement and belief system on it. The Bible does say 'we all know in part, then it says, consider the whole matter...'. That's why cats like Creflo can do what they do, and non believer can come on hear and spew the foolishness they do, discounting not only the Bible but other religions. Anyway, as much as Creflo is talking about lining up and killing people, where does he preach repentance? He does say thank God we are under the Blood, but his hearts desire is to do contrary to what the Bible preaches about repentance. If people opened their eyes completely to this thing, they would definitely find holes in his belief system. Also, it is funny how these guys through out all the promises of God are built on the tithe (healing, deliverance, etc), but their primary focus is materialistic things?!?! Why is it we don't see videos of people being 'truly' healed, etc. on some of Creflo and Leroy Thompson's videos? It's easier to swindle people being able to by big homes, cars, planes, clothes, than it is to have people see a real unexplainable act!!! All and all, I just wish people wouldn't just blindly follow these Dudes, who are getting rich playing on the emotions of primarily struggling people. How can a man with character, see people in his church struggling to live, and still take their money? When do this Dude's, say, 'look, I see you struggling so I am going to give something back to you'. Their is the anointing of exchange detailed in the bible too, but they won't preach that! :smh::angry:

The only aspect from the old testament that was done away with is the atonement part and that wasn't even part of the law. The law was done away with during the time of constantine(read the edict of milan from the year 321 AD), that was the true birth of this bogus religion churchianity. Historically after the new the records of how the disciples lived is very well documented in history and they all kept the law just as they did in the new testament.
 
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Man if I ever fall off, I'm going to start my own church.
 
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The old law of the old testament was never done away with. The people that did away with the law were the catholics and they altered the bible to suite their desires.If you ask any christian about the law they will gladly point you to romans 10:4 which says in english that CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW. But if you look at the same verse in greek the language of the oldest surving new testament manuscript the word mistranlated word END In greek is TELOS which means purpose. If you reread the verse again properly it should say christ is the purpose of the law. Theres no place in the bible that did away with the old testament this is why you see the whole new testament is focused on the teachings of the old testament rather than funny catholic dogma like easter, christmas, churches, pastors and whatever ridiculous customs christians
Call me crazy, but my interpretation is the Mosaic law was never 'Christian' law (as defined in modern terms) in the first place. The Roman Catholic church made use of select Mosaic/Hebrew laws for self-serving reasons. So, even if the verse declaring Christ as the end of the purpose for that law -- which his crucifixion is considered the end of the purpose for sacrifice/tithing -- was misinterpreted in the second place, that wouldn't change the fact that the law was misapplied in the first place. Tithing would still, now, be a scam. There is no explicit instructions for Believers to tithe in the New Testament, fam.
 
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Call me crazy, but my interpretation is the Mosaic law was never 'Christian' law (as defined in modern terms) in the first place. The Roman Catholic church made use of select Mosaic/Hebrew laws for self-serving reasons. So, even if the verse declaring Christ as the end of the purpose for that law -- which his crucifixion is considered the end of the purpose for sacrifice/tithing -- was misinterpreted in the second place, that wouldn't change the fact that the law was misapplied in the first place. Tithing would still, now, be a scam. There is no explicit instructions for Believers to tithe in the New Testament, fam.

You are supposed to tithe because thats part of the law. The concept that christians have confused is that tithe is money thats supposed to be given to your pastor to live a lavish life. A lot of these christians tithe because they are trying to buy their way into heaven .Tithe is just simply helping the needy, you can cook a meal and give it to a homeless person and thats tithe. Even helping your family member is tithe
 
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You are supposed to tithe because thats part of the law. The concept that christians have confused is that tithe is money thats supposed to be given to your pastor to live a lavish life. A lot of these christians tithe because they are trying to buy their way into heaven .Tithe is just simply helping the needy, you can cook a meal and give it to a homeless person and thats tithe. Even helping your family member is tithe
Nah, fam. We have different interpretations. I respect your process, but do not share your conclusion. You seem to be conflating 'cheerful giving' with tithing. The first tithing present in the Bible is Genesis 14:20 "and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything. Abraham gifted Melchizedek a tenth of everything he had, as a 'thank you' to God for a battle victory. Then in Numbers 18:21 it reappears in Mosaic law as a gift to the Levites for their faithful service -- "To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting, And its there that the parallelism view of tithing began for Christians became preferred and prominent in the church. It became a convenient means of fleecing the faithful, loosely base on Mosaic order. Yes, tithing was law, ordered by many rulers, kings, theist leaders and even atheist leaders through out history. But there is no scriptural support for Christians being ordered by God to pay tithing to their church. There is definitely an explicitly expressed desire by God for Believers to do all of the things you listed above, but not under the guise of tithing. 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
 
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Nah, fam. We have different interpretations. I respect your process, but do not share your conclusion. You seem to be conflating 'cheerful giving' with tithing. The first tithing present in the Bible is Genesis 14:20 "and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand!" And Abram gave him a tenth of everything. Abraham gifted Melchizedek a tenth of everything he had, as a 'thank you' to God for a battle victory. Then in Numbers 18:21 it reappears in Mosaic law as a gift to the Levites for their faithful service -- "To the Levites I have given every tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service that they do, their service in the tent of meeting, And its there that the parallelism view of tithing began for Christians became preferred and prominent in the church. It became a convenient means of fleecing the faithful, loosely base on Mosaic order. Yes, tithing was law, ordered by many rulers, kings, theist leaders and even atheist leaders through out history. But there is no scriptural support for Christians being ordered by God to pay tithing to their church. There is definitely an explicitly expressed desire by God for Believers to do all of the things you listed above, but not under the guise of tithing. 2 Corinthians 9:7 "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

I never said the tithe is required to be given to churches , i said tithing is part and the law and it stands. Tithing is there in the new testament, i don't remember exactly but it was where the guy with leprosy was healed . Also the part in the new testament that talks about the cumin seeds. The new testament teaches to obey the law , so if tithing is in the law how can you rationalize that ? Tithing is simply giving to the needy and theres a lot of examples of that in the new testament. The whole law stands and just because it's not mentioned again explicitly in the new testament it doesn't mean those rules have vanished because remember Not a jolt or a tittle will be done away with from the law.
 
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I'll be your deacon aka assistant pimp. Lets get this money son!!:yes:

I could see it now..."Pastor G-Money" Praise GAWD let's get paid in full :yes: Hallelujah Holla Back!

I'm trying to kick around some money too like :dance: Sha-POW!!! :dance: that shit looked like fun :lol:
 
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I never said the tithe is required to be given to churches , i said tithing is part and the law and it stands. Tithing is there in the new testament, i don't remember exactly but it was where the guy with leprosy was healed . Also the part in the new testament that talks about the cumin seeds. The new testament teaches to obey the law , so if tithing is in the law how can you rationalize that ? Tithing is simply giving to the needy and theres a lot of examples of that in the new testament. The whole law stands and just because it's not mentioned again explicitly in the new testament it doesn't mean those rules have vanished because remember Not a jolt or a tittle will be done away with from the law.
Dude, the New Testament does not support tithing. It supports cheerful/willful giving and gifting. It's not exactly a 6 of one/half-dozen the other prospect. Tithing and cheerful giving may both result in a transference of valuables or money from one party to the next, but they are not fundamentally the same thing in practice of principle. You're confusing the 'giving' instructions of the New Testament with the tithing instruction of the old Testament.

And the New Testament does NOT uphold preservation of the Old laws. That is what salvation and the crucifixion was for. The Old Testament (Hebrew/Abrahamic/Mosaic) laws were given to Israelites, and is still largely upheld in Judaism. The Christian church was (supposedly) founded on the teachings of Christ -- who opposed many of the old laws (and was killed for his opposition). Infact, there is a passage in the book of Mathews where Jesus is intensely tested by the Sadducees and Pharisees about the Laws and he stunned the crown by rejecting strict adherence to the Laws on marriage. In attempt to trap Jesus into commiting heresy, the following happened:

Mathew 22:34-40

The Greatest Commandment

"34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’a 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


The only "Laws" that Christ himself and the New Testament strictly endorsed (enforced) were the 10 Commandments (which also happened to be, basically, a condensed list of 9 old Testament Laws, sans the golden idol one). So, in that regard, yes, there are Laws (with Old Testament origins) found in the New Testament, but tithing is not a commandment.
 
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Tithing is there in the new testament, i don't remember exactly but it was where the guy with leprosy was healed.
By the way, that leper was Jewish. The only people Jesus ever told to tithe anything was in cases where their presentation of tithes was meant to display the miracle that had been done to/for them and when he was instructing people who fell under the jurisdiction of the Law. In both cases, Jews. Christianity is not Judaism.

Matthew 8:2-4

2 Behold, a leper came to him and worshiped him, saying, “Lord, if you want to, you can make me clean.” 3 Jesus stretched out his hand, and touched him, saying, “I want to. Be made clean.” Immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4 Jesus said to him, “See that you tell nobody, but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.”


But Jesus' description of 'tithing' in the previous chapter is in the for of 'giving'.

Matthew 5:23-24

23 “If therefore you are OFFERING your GIFT at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your GIFT there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and OFFER your GIFT.”


Even Apostle Paul, the most prolific writer in the New Testament, condemned strict adherence to the Law in place of 'grace'.

Galatians 5:4

4 You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace.


It was NOT Law, but salvation, grace and commandments that Christians were ordered to adhered to, not Old Testament Laws (especially tithing).
 
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fucking thief:angry::angry: in the bible jesus was very modest and calm. these pastors want to be the center of attention , then take your tithe money and buy rolls royce's and expensive cribs. all they care about is them fucking self
 
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You are gravely mistaken

Here I will explain

Dude, the New Testament does not support tithing. It supports cheerful/willful giving and gifting. It's not exactly a 6 of one/half-dozen the other prospect. Tithing and cheerful giving may both result in a transference of valuables or money from one party to the next, but they are not fundamentally the same thing in practice of principle. You're confusing the 'giving' instructions of the New Testament with the tithing instruction of the old Testament.

Matthew 8:3
Then Jesus?yahshua said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them."

Tell me if this not the messiah telling the leper to go and tithe as commanded by moses

.And the New Testament does NOT uphold preservation of the Old laws

John 5:46
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"

Matthew 5:18
tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

Acts 25:8 (NKJV) while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

Acts 18:21 (NKJV) but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, Yahweh willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.

Roma 7:25 (NKJV) I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.

and thousands more in the new testament telling believers to obey the law. I can literally tell you where the law is quoted in the new testament but I would have to go uber collin powell. If you are interested theres a book called they Loved the torah

The only "Laws" that Christ himself and the New Testament strictly endorsed (enforced) were the 10 Commandments (which also happened to be, basically, a condensed list of 9 old Testament Laws, sans the golden idol one). So, in that regard, yes, there are Laws (with Old Testament origins) found in the New Testament, but tithing is not a commandment.

The law is not the commandments. The word for commandment is MITZAH the word for law is TORAH/NOMOS. This is another misunderstanding that christians have deceived themselves into believing. The 10 commandments are not but a small part of the law, the law is 613 mitzahs. Theres nowhere in the bible that says the law is commandments, if you don't believe me look at a concordance or an interlinear hebrew/greek bible

Did christ not tell his disciples in Luke chapter 22 to keep passover as in leviticus chapter 23 as a rememberance of him???

Is it not in the bible that Paul and the disciples celebrated Pentecost/Shavuot a requirement from the old law?

Even the feast of tabernacles( Sukkot in the old testament) in John chapter 7???

Tell did he not tell his believers to Follow in his footsteps, live and obey just like he did. Did he not say he was showing his followers an example.

Christianity is not Judaism.

Judaism has sects and one of those sects of judaism was called the Natsarim sect. Judaism has the pharasee's or orthodox judaism as you know them, it has sadducee's or karaites etc etc. That sect is what the whole new testament is based on is called Natsarim sect, They went to synagogues, kept the law, celebrated the festivals and wore jewish clothes. Maybe you are not connecting the dots but Natsarim are mistranlated in your bibles as NAZARENES

Acts 24:5
We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect {and thats paul they are talking about

Even Apostle Paul, the most prolific writer in the New Testament, condemned strict adherence to the Law in place of 'grace'.

Thats strange because Paul was against the oral law of the pharasees she-be-`al peh.

Tell me are there not pauls words

But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.

For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor Yahweh through breaking the Law? 24 For "the name of Yahweh is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
 
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You are gravely mistaken

Here I will explain



Matthew 8:3
Then Jesus?yahshua said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them."

Tell me if this not the messiah telling the leper to go and tithe as commanded by moses



John 5:46
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"

Matthew 5:18
tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

Acts 25:8 (NKJV) while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

Acts 18:21 (NKJV) but took leave of them, saying, "I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, Yahweh willing." And he sailed from Ephesus.

Roma 7:25 (NKJV) I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.

and thousands more in the new testament telling believers to obey the law. I can literally tell you where the law is quoted in the new testament but I would have to go uber collin powell. If you are interested theres a book called they Loved the torah



The law is not the commandments. The word for commandment is MITZAH the word for law is TORAH/NOMOS. This is another misunderstanding that christians have deceived themselves into believing. The 10 commandments are not but a small part of the law, the law is 613 mitzahs. Theres nowhere in the bible that says the law is commandments, if you don't believe me look at a concordance or an interlinear hebrew/greek bible

Did christ not tell his disciples in Luke chapter 22 to keep passover as in leviticus chapter 23 as a rememberance of him???

Is it not in the bible that Paul and the disciples celebrated Pentecost/Shavuot a requirement from the old law?

Even the feast of tabernacles( Sukkot in the old testament) in John chapter 7???

Tell did he not tell his believers to Follow in his footsteps, live and obey just like he did. Did he not say he was showing his followers an example.



Judaism has sects and one of those sects of judaism was called the Natsarim sect. Judaism has the pharasee's or orthodox judaism as you know them, it has sadducee's or karaites etc etc. That sect is what the whole new testament is based on is called Natsarim sect, They went to synagogues, kept the law, celebrated the festivals and wore jewish clothes. Maybe you are not connecting the dots but Natsarim are mistranlated in your bibles as NAZARENES

Acts 24:5
We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect {and thats paul they are talking about



Thats strange because Paul was against the oral law of the pharasees she-be-`al peh.

Tell me are there not pauls words

But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

while he answered for himself, "Neither against the Law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all."

I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin.

For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of Yahweh, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor Yahweh through breaking the Law? 24 For "the name of Yahweh is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.
I'm not being dismissive when I say this, but fam the Bible is a Rorschach test. We clearly see two totally different things. You think my interpretation is gravely mistaken, and I think likewise about your interpretation. So... Now what? Pay tithes? Knock yourself out. But the fact remains, Christians are NOT bound by God or Christ to tithe. And apparently, no matter how many scriptures I post to affirm that, you'll still see what you want to see. But you have a right to be wrong.
 
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Just to add

Christianity doesn't obey the 10 commandments you obey the 9 because the 3rd commandment is a catholic fabrication

The Old Testament (Hebrew/Abrahamic/Mosaic) laws were given to Israelites]

Ephesians chapter 2:11
Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world { that verse tells you that any obeyer of christ is an israelite so go figure of the law doesn't apply).



If you believe the law as done away with do you mean to tell me homosexuality, murder, incest ,beastiality is okay seeing that all those are in the law. Even if you were to entertain the silly notion do you believe the natsarim sect taught the law so that catholics could come 300 years later and adopt egyptian,babylonian and roman pagan practices ? Even Peter warned that people would try to use Paul's letters as an excuse for lawlessness

Do you know what the new testament says about people that live in Lawlessness

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work Lawlessnecc.


The new testament basically says not keeping the law is one way ticket to hell
 
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Just to add

Christianity doesn't obey the 10 commandments you obey the 9 because the 3rd commandment is a catholic fabrication



Ephesians chapter 2:11
Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world { that verse tells you that any obeyer of christ is an israelite so go figure of the law doesn't apply).



If you believe the law as done away with do you mean to tell me homosexuality, murder, incest ,beastiality is okay seeing that all those are in the law. Even if you were to entertain the silly notion do you believe the natsarim sect taught the law so that catholics could come 300 years later and adopt egyptian,babylonian and roman pagan practices ? Even Peter warned that people would try to use Paul's letters as an excuse for lawlessness

Do you know what the new testament says about people that live in Lawlessness

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work Lawlessnecc.


The new testament basically says not keeping the law is one way ticket to hell
Wrong. You're weaving together a patchwork quilt of non sequiturs to comprise a an inferred narrative that is NOT express dictated in the Bible, fam. Do we still stone wayward children to death? Is it still a sin worthy of eternal damnation to eat shell fish? Do you realize how many Old Testament Laws are NOT in effect, and why? What you're saying isn't even rational, much less factual.
 
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I'm not being dismissive when I say this, but fam the Bible is a Rorschach test. We clearly see two totally different things. You think my interpretation is gravely mistaken, and I think likewise about your interpretation. So... Now what? Pay tithes? Knock yourself out. But the fact remains, Christians are NOT bound by God or Christ to tithe. And apparently, no matter how many scriptures I post to affirm that, you'll still see what you want to see. But you have a right to be wrong.

Heres the thing THE BIBLE IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. The bible is a simple book written to be understood not disciphered like it's complex.

What you think is interpretation is called Eingenesis i.e. you have been taught so much of one thing about the bible that you think it's the right way. Christianity indoctrinates it's followers with so called interpretations which are nothing but their ideas twisted to fit into the bible. Your train of thought is deeply seeded with Evangelical Supercession theology.
 
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Wrong. You're weaving together a patchwork quilt of non sequiturs to comprise a an inferred narrative that is NOT express dictated in the Bible, fam.

Ad hominems are usually a sign of weakness in any debate, if you think am wrong go ahead and show me how I am wrong. Theres concordances, brown drivers and intellinears online to show the meanings and actual original writings. If you claim I wrong just because you have been fed one thing all your life then I suggest you double check what I am saying
 
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Ad hominems are usually a sign of weakness in any debate, if you think am wrong go ahead and show me how I am wrong. Theres concordances, brown drivers and intellinears online to show the meanings and actual original writings. If you claim I wrong just because you have been fed one thing all your life then I suggest you double check what I am saying
Ad hominem? You took that as ad hominem??? Cuz, you are way too delicate to enguage in critical debates if you think that comment was ad hominem. Really. I've already stated my case, you disagree. Where else is there to go. I obviously do not agree with you and think either your research and/or point of view is flawed. I've expressed and explained why. Where else should we go from here? Have a Scripture-off? C'mon, man, know when to say when. We disagree and neither use us will convince the other to concede to our point of view. That is obvious. And now, you're taking it in a direction of accusing me of personally attacking you -- i.e. being 'ad hominem -- because I critiqued what I perceive as flaws in your analysis? C'mon, son... You already know what it is. :hmm:
 
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Ad hominem? You took that as as hominem??? Cuz, you are way too delicate to enguage in critical debates if you think that comment was ad hominem. Really. I've already stated my case, you disagree. Where else is there to go. I obviously do not agree with you and think either your research and/or point of view is flawed. I've expressed and explained why. Where else should we go from here? Have a Scripture-off? C'mon, man, know when to say when. We disagree and neither use us will convince the other to concede to our point of view. That is obvious. And now, you're taking it in a direction of accusing me of personally attacking you -- i.e. being 'ad hominem -- because I critiqued what I perceive as flaws in your analysis? C'mon, son... You already know what it is. :hmm:

I didn't disagree

I showed you where in the bible where it disagrees with you.

for example you claimed Paul taught against the law I showed you otherwise

You claimed that christians only obey commandments I showed you otherwwise that the word commandment is not the word law becaiuse Mitzah and torah are two different words

Then you claimed the law wasn't kept in the testament I showed you otherwise

But you claim I wrong and only have an emotional outburst rather than showing me where you claim I wrong.

Then you claimed the law was for israelites I showed you otherwise that gentiles were turned into israelites. I mean if you are going to critique you can at least show some sense rather than emotion. Just because you don't like something or have never heard it doesn't make it not true .
 
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Heres the thing THE BIBLE IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. The bible is a simple book written to be understood not disciphered like it's complex.
Ok... You're on of those. I get it now. :hmm:
What you think is interpretation is called Eingenesis i.e. you have been taught so much of one thing about the bible that you think it's the right way. Christianity indoctrinates it's followers with so called interpretations which are nothing but their ideas twisted to fit into the bible. Your train of thought is deeply seeded with Evangelical Supercession theology.
Um... I'm not a Christian, duke. You're reaching. And it's clear YOU are the indoctrinated one here, folk. I know dogma when I see it.
 
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I didn't disagree

I showed you where in the bible where it disagrees with you.

for example you claimed Paul taught against the law I showed you otherwise

You claimed that christians only obey commandments I showed you otherwwise that the word commandment is not the word law becaiuse Mitzah and torah are two different words

Then you claimed the law wasn't kept in the testament I showed you otherwise

But you claim I wrong and only have an emotional outburst rather than showing me where you claim I wrong.

Then you claimed the law was for israelites I showed you otherwise that gentiles were turned into israelites. I mean if you are going to critique you can at least show some sense rather than emotion. Just because you don't like something or have never heard it doesn't make it not true .
And I showed YOU where the Bible disagrees with YOU. The issue here is you and not wiling to concede to that what I've shown you says what it says. That is the nature of debating Biblical scripture. It IS up to interpretation. There are so many self-contradictions in the Bible you can extract countless points and counter-points on the exact same subject. It doesn't matter now many verse I present you, you'll still be able to cherry pick a verse to contradict it and I'll be able to cherry pick a verse to contradict your contradiction. It's an exercise in futility. You haven't proved anything to me, nor vice versa. Now what?
 
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Ok... You're on of those. I get it now. :hmm:

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You mean those that actually think for themselves and not act as vessels for opinions created at the vatican. You might want to check 2 peter chapter 1 to see why the bible is not open to interpretation. I was last indoctrinated at least 15 years ago so really theres zero dogma with me. I just check what the actual bible says and read it in it's entirety rather than quote pastors . You might want to check what Supercession is because your 'interpretation as you call it reeks of it,
 
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And I showed YOU where the Bible disagrees with YOU. The issue here is you and not wiling to concede to that what I've shown you says what it says. That is the nature of debating Biblical scripture. It IS up to interpretation. There are so many self-contradictions in the Bible you can extract countless points and counter-points on the exact same subject. It doesn't matter now many verse I present you, you'll still be able to cherry pick a verse to contradict it and I'll be able to cherry pick a verse to contradict your contradiction. It's an exercise in futility. You haven't proved anything to me, nor vice versa. Now what?

No you didn't you quoted verses that you thought meant the law without actually reading the full chapters. You quoted Matthew which says obey the law as moses commanded which in turn rips into the same point yu are trying to make. You even went as far as claiming the commandments are the law :rolleyes: . Even in Galatians if you look at the whole chapter it contradicts what you are claiming
 
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You mean those that actually think for themselves and not act as vessels for opinions created at the vatican. You might want to check 2 peter chapter 1 to see why the bible is not open to interpretation. I was last indoctrinated at least 15 years ago so really theres zero dogma with me. I just check what the actual bible says and read it in it's entirety rather than quote pastors . You might want to check what Supercession is because your 'interpretation as you call it reeks of it,
Son, you're every bit indoctrinated. It's laughable that you presume to speak on what I've been fed all my life, while regurgitating what YOU have been fed. For someone who fancies themselves a critical thinker, you seem to have only gotten the critical part right. Now, try thinking, instead of assuming. You sound like you got a little knowledge in the joint and went Google happy when you got out. There's no difference between the Christian sheep who quote pastors, but have no original thoughts of their own and cats Black Israelite-types like you who claim to have gotten the secret decoder ring to all the scriptures in your cereal box this morning. C'mon, cuz, you're I know indoctrination and dogma when I see it.
 
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No you didn't you quoted verses that you thought meant the law without actually reading the full chapters. You quoted Matthew which says obey the law as moses commanded which in turn rips into the same point yu are trying to make. You even went as far as claiming the commandments are the law :rolleyes: . Even in Galatians if you look at the whole chapter it contradicts what you are claiming
None so blind as they who will not see.
 
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...and people wonder why/how the Creflo Dollars of the world can stack so much bank and NOT be called on their bullshit by their sheep? Look no further than "Law" abiders like this cat nyeleman. :smh:
 
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...and people wonder why/how the Creflo Dollars of the world can stack so much bank and NOT be called on their bullshit by their sheep? Look no further than "Law" abiders like this cat nyeleman. :smh:

:rolleyes:

You cannot seem to grasp the tithing of the law. Here I will make it simple IT IS NOT MONEY ITS SIMPLY GIVING TO THE NEEDY . Now use some common sense and ask yourself this Is creflo dollar or any other preacher needy? then move to the next question do they accept anything apart from money.

See how silly it feels to you

Tell me one Pastor in christianity that needy vulnerable that accepts anything apart from money:rolleyes:

just one
 
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