Who Killed the Heavyweight Division

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Who Killed the Heavyweight Division
December 22nd, 2009 | by Jesse Campbell


It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes and his friend and biographer, John Watson, to figure out that the heavyweight division is dead. Not only is it dead, but the cause of death was murder. Who or what caused the demise of what used to be the most prominent division in boxing?

Arriving at the crime scene, the view looked gruesome. Beyond the yellow tape and sea of reporters, I focused in on the white chalk outline and realized a couple of things:

1.) After analyzing the situation with my own Watson, I am still unclear as to when the division died. It thrived through the early 60’s into the 70’s, ultimately reaching its financial peak in the 90’s. The heavyweight champion used to be one of the most popular and recognizable athletes in the world (Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis come to mind).

2.) When there are too many chefs in the kitchen, not only does it take too long to cook the meal, but if something goes wrong, there are numerous people at which to point the finger. Boxing had far too many chefs in its proverbial kitchen over the past 20 years and, as a result, it is debatable as to who is actually responsible for it current state.

Since I’ve taken it upon myself to solve this crime, I, along with my Watson (My buddy Fred) narrowed down the list of potential suspects to a reasonable number and then took a look at the evidence mounted against each suspect.

The Reasonably Suspicious

a.) Roy Jones, Jr.-

Evidence: On March 1, 2003, Roy Jones, Jr, became the first fighter to start his career as a junior middleweight and win a heavyweight title. As gifted as Roy was, by defeating John Ruiz via a 12-round unanimous decision, exposed the inadequacy of the division with a rather large microscope. Because not only did a smaller man move up drastically in weight and decimate a heavyweight champion, the title meant so little to him that he immediately vacated the belt and moved back down to the light heavyweight division. Essentially, Roy Jones, Jr told the world that not only was John Ruiz a paper champion, but the heavyweight title was a paper belt.

Grand Jury: Not enough to indict Roy on these facts alone. As noted above, Ruiz was a paper champion whom Jones moved up in weight to expose. John would be just as much to blame as Roy for the fate of the division, since he was an adequate boxer miscast as a champion. As much as I’d love to compile evidence against Ruiz here for this crime, he went on to win the WBA title a second time, therefore he is really just guilty for continuing to milk an already dead heavyweight division. Ruiz isn’t our guy either.

b.) Lennox Lewis-

Evidence: Lewis is one of only six boxers in history to have won the heavyweight championship three times, and the self-proclaimed “Pugilist Specialist” was at the top of the heavyweight mountain after defeating Mike Tyson in 2002. In the highest grossing pay-per-view event in history at that time, Lewis decimated “Iron” Mike in just under eight rounds, crowing himself the biggest dog of them all. So what happened? Lewis fought Vitali Klitschko, showed up overweight and survived courtesy of Klitschko’s gruesome gash. Lewis’ shocking retirement left the division in a seemingly permanent state of flux.

Grand Jury: While it appeared Lewis ran out on a sport that made him both wealthy and recognizable, at his height of popularity, he really wasn’t that interesting to anyone. From his brief stint as the face of Right Guard’s “Uncivilized” campaign, to his position as commentator with HBO Boxing, Lewis’ career can be defined as the 6’5 elephant in the room. Yes, it’s there, yes we all see it, but no one is in the mood to discuss it. How can someone who’s gone unnoticed for most of his career be responsible for such a heinous crime? I just can’t see it.

Probable Cause

c.) George Foreman

Evidence: There have been two incarnations of George Foreman. There has been Foreman I, who was a brooding, anti-social, knockout ogre and Foreman II, the fun- loving grill pitchman. Foreman I will always be tied to the Rumble in the Jungle, the legendary fight with Muhammad Ali in 1974. Foreman II became the oldest man to gain the heavyweight championship at age 45. Is it possible that Foreman II did unrepreble harm to the division by becoming its champion? Could the public take a heavyweight division serious, when “your father’s father” was a champion?

Grand Jury: Foreman wanted to come back to boxing at age 55. Whether it was his body, his wife or HBO, he thought better of it. Had he returned during that time, not only would it have showed the ineptitude of the division, it would have been an intentional attempt to show-up the fighters. Coming back to win the title at 45 was bad enough but it was a gradual comeback that actually began at age 38. So taking that in consideration, Foreman isn’t our guy.

d.)/e.) Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko

Evidence: The Ukrainian heavyweight champions are the premier fighters in the division at this time. However, their relationship makes them something of boxing’s version of Tomax and Xamot. Tomax and Xamot were twin brothers in the G.I. Joe Universe and were able to finish each other’s sentences and feel each other’s pain. While the Klitschkos relationship might not be that intense, their bond prevents the biggest potential match-up in the heavyweight. A Klitschko v. Klitschko match up would place the spotlight back to the heavyweight division and an undisputed crown for the winner.

Grand Jury: As much as fans resent the brothers’ refusal to fight one another, there is some honor in choosing family over prestige and money. The brothers are placing a higher value on their relationship than the state of their division. However you view their state of mind, boxing seems to just be the collateral damage of their decision.

The Usual Suspects

f.) Evander Holyfield

Evidence: If Holyfield were indeed our killer, he would be something of a serial murderer because he just doesn’t know when enough is enough. He is 47 and is set to fight Francois Botha on January 16, 2010. His pursuit of another world title differs from George Foreman’s run, in that it continues despite an understanding from every relevant party involved that Holyfield should NOT be boxing. Not only does it illustrate the lack of talent in the division, it shows a lack of compassion from those in control.

Grand Jury: A closer look at this situation will show that Holyfield is indeed a serial killer but in reality, what he has been killing is own legacy.

G.) Riddick Bowe

Evidence: If it were a crime to fail to reach one’s potential, we would have locked Bowe up years ago, and he would not have had an opportunity to try to murder his own sport. Bowe, a former undisputed heavyweight champion, had a low for every milestone in his career. He defeated Evander Holyfield in 1992 to become the undisputed champion but would later throw one of the belts in a t trash-can during a press conference to avoid a mandatory match-up with Lewis. He has fought overweight, has been in the ring when “fan man” landed and his posse helped orchestrate a riot in Madison Square Garden. He quit boxing to join the Marine Core and would leave the Marines within a few days. With some bizarre personal drama sprinkled in, it is safe to say “Big Daddy” has seen it all.

Grand Jury: Bowe attempted to murder the division, but like everything else in his professional life, he just didn’t work hard enough to finish it off.

H.) Don King

Evidence: Maybe the most popular “non-boxer” in the sports history. Don King has been central to all that is wrong with the business side of boxing. Allegations against King include bribery, organized crime affiliation, breach of contract and fraud. King, once called a “wretched, slimy, reptilian mother-******” by Tyson, has indeed slimed his way through the sport.

Grand Jury: We don’t have anything hardcore that sticks on King. For the most part, allegations of his “evil” work will haunt his legacy, but he is also the same man responsible for “the Rumble in the Jungle” and the “Thrilla in Manilla”. He contributed to the downfall of the highest grossing heavyweight of all time, but there is someone with much more culpability.

I.) Mike Tyson

Evidence: Mike Tyson set the pay-per-view bar pretty high. For instance, Mike Tyson helped generate 1.55 million pay-per-view buys against Peter McNeeley in 1995. Tyson created a circus-like atmosphere within the division during the latter part of his career. After successive losses to Holyfield, it was clear to the general public that Mike was no longer on top of the boxing food chain. Still, people would regularly pay $49.95 for a Tyson pay-per-view as if he were the “bearded lady”.

As his antics continued, from biting ears to illegal blows to deranged post-fight interviews, people tuned in awaiting the next incident. When the most popular boxer becomes the biggest sideshow, there will be lasting consequences. Nobody could possibly live up the Tyson spectacle once he removed himself from the sport. He became larger than life, and in the process, dropped the very division he helped carry on its head.

To be fair, Mike destroyed his own legacy, finances, and marriages along the way, so maybe the state of the division meant very little to him. But if he is indeed the boxing historian that he claims to be, I’m sure at some point he’ll come to terms with his role in the heavyweight division’s demise.

Grand Jury: Indicted

Well, there we have it. I, along with Watson, have solved the biggest murder mystery in boxing. Mike Tyson is your culprit and should be taken into custody. Now, for those of you that may disagree, stick around for the follow-up column: the trial.
 
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Your Heavyweight champs are playing Football now
 
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Your Heavyweight champs are playing Football now







:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

and the ...............

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All the 6'0 and over 200 lb brothers that are playing these sports.....:eek: The division would be sick and field the best of all time(these cats are bigger, faster and stronger than in the past).

If trained from a nice young age imagine Wade, bron, artest, peppers, peterson, kearse, reggie white, gates, etc,etc ,etc.

Boxing as long since fallen to the back of the bus. Kids of any size been training nfl or nba since the 80's.
 
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

and the ...............

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All the 6'0 and over 200 lb brothers that are playing these sports.....:eek: The division would be sick and field the best of all time(these cats are bigger, faster and stronger than in the past).

If trained from a nice young age imagine Wade, bron, artest, peppers, peterson, kearse, reggie white, gates, etc,etc ,etc.

Boxing as long since fallen to the back of the bus. Kids of any size been training nfl or nba since the 80's.



:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:


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Your Heavyweight champs are playing Football now

Most athletes can only play one sport good. If they good in NFL chances are they not shit in the boxing world. Football has allways been around...can't agree not that strong of an arguement. U act like the NFL just showed up.

Nothing killed it, just americans stopped producing great heavyweight boxers. None of what the O.P. said is preventing a up and coming boxer from dominating. might have killed the popularity.

I'd say the heavyweight division was partially killed by.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................single mothers.
 
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

and the ...............

nba-logo.jpg


All the 6'0 and over 200 lb brothers that are playing these sports.....:eek: The division would be sick and field the best of all time(these cats are bigger, faster and stronger than in the past).

If trained from a nice young age imagine Wade, bron, artest, peppers, peterson, kearse, reggie white, gates, etc,etc ,etc.

Boxing as long since fallen to the back of the bus. Kids of any size been training nfl or nba since the 80's.

c'mon son. Better yeah but lets not start to thinking that they would be great boxers if anything at all. Possible journey men.

can't argue that most atheletes are only great-good at one sport. Even if exposed to several.

I dont see any of them being good boxers. :smh:
These guys are in NBA and NFL shape i mind you. Lebron training like he posed to in boxing wouldn't have time to bench press and squat as much as he does. jumping in boxing aint going to help him. he's tall. . .most tall boxers can't work the body. Tall boxers miss wildly when they throw punches and miss making them more prone to counters. They have to cock they arm back further to throw haymaker hooks and bringing it back a further distance would allow more time for a great counter punch.

Tyson utilized this very well. Lebron would be fucked up quick in a boxing fight. Even if Cuz d'mato and Jack Johnson trained him

plus boxing is not about lifting weights my friend. Yes do they work out with some weights yes, but any trainer worth anything will first and foremost tell you it does not matter what a boxer can do on weights.
Maybe UFC
 
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Most athletes can only play one sport good. If they good in NFL chances are they not shit in the boxing world. Football has allways been around...can't agree not that strong of an arguement. U act like the NFL just showed up.

Nothing killed it, just americans stopped producing great heavyweight boxers. None of what the O.P. said is preventing a up and coming boxer from dominating. might have killed the popularity.

I'd say the heavyweight division was partially killed by.........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................single mothers.

:lol:

I know you just saying shit to say shit.

Basketball is easily available to our youth. Football is second.

Now they have AAU.

You get into college EVEN if you never go pro. That goes for D1 all the way down.

Your better bet for a big brother is to play football in the fall and wrestle/basketball in the winter and track in the spring. BOTTOM LINE.

If you elfish like mayweather you box.
 
:lol:

I know you just saying shit to say shit.

Basketball is easily available to our youth. Football is second.

Now they have AAU.

You get into college EVEN if you never go pro. That goes for D1 all the way down.

Your better bet for a big brother is to play football in the fall and wrestle/basketball in the winter and track in the spring. BOTTOM LINE.

If you elfish like mayweather you box.

not to mention the money is better playing football or basketball unless you are one of the top fighters

and as far as I know there are no college scholarships for boxing

kids growing up now are idolizing NFL and NBA players, there is no top heavyweights for them to want to be like

and no kids want to "grow up" and and be like a fighter they are already bigger than at age 13
 
c'mon son. Better yeah but lets not start to thinking that they would be great boxers if anything at all. Possible journey men.

can't argue that most atheletes are only great-good at one sport. Even if exposed to several.

I dont see any of them being good boxers. :smh:
These guys are in NBA and NFL shape i mind you. Lebron training like he posed to in boxing wouldn't have time to bench press and squat as much as he does. jumping in boxing aint going to help him. he's tall. . .most tall boxers can't work the body. Tall boxers miss wildly when they throw punches and miss making them more prone to counters. They have to cock they arm back further to throw haymaker hooks and bringing it back a further distance would allow more time for a great counter punch.

Tyson utilized this very well. Lebron would be fucked up quick in a boxing fight. Even if Cuz d'mato and Jack Johnson trained him

plus boxing is not about lifting weights my friend. Yes do they work out with some weights yes, but any trainer worth anything will first and foremost tell you it does not matter what a boxer can do on weights.
Maybe UFC

Bruh, fuck weights.

These cats are bigger, faster and stronger than anybody 30-40 years ago. END OF STORY.

Simple math. Strength x speed = power. These cats are sick with it now, they just don't train it.

Same reason brothers ain't take over the UFC. In NE Ohio all the MMA gyms are white run, once WE get into that it is a wrap.

But who the fuck will risk a sure football scholarship for boxing? :confused: :confused: :confused:

If you 6'3" 245 strong and can move you are a lock to get in somewhere, may not go pro but college is paid for. Better than doing the rocky thing in the meat freezer.
 
:lol:

I know you just saying shit to say shit.

Basketball is easily available to our youth. Football is second.

Now they have AAU.

You get into college EVEN if you never go pro. That goes for D1 all the way down.

Your better bet for a big brother is to play football in the fall and wrestle/basketball in the winter and track in the spring. BOTTOM LINE.

If you elfish like mayweather you box.


I mean the first thing bad kids get exposed to? Boxing. Ya'll act like the most athletic people are the best at their sport.

Rocky Marciano........mental...a lot of it is mental. On paper it sounds good.

Also by now you'd think that all QB's would be required to scramble out the pocket cuz there are so many of them in college.

Wrong. You have some QB's that rely too much on scrambling. And i could see them relying to much on their atheticism to win a boxing fight. Big people are usually akward and aren't as coordianted as smaller heayweights
 
:lol:

I know you just saying shit to say shit.

Basketball is easily available to our youth. Football is second.

Now they have AAU.

You get into college EVEN if you never go pro. That goes for D1 all the way down.

Your better bet for a big brother is to play football in the fall and wrestle/basketball in the winter and track in the spring. BOTTOM LINE.

If you elfish like mayweather you box.


thanks, now I don't have to reply
 
Bruh, fuck weights.

These cats are bigger, faster and stronger than anybody 30-40 years ago. END OF STORY.

Simple math. Strength x speed = power. These cats are sick with it now, they just don't train it.

Same reason brothers ain't take over the UFC. In NE Ohio all the MMA gyms are white run, once WE get into that it is a wrap.

But who the fuck will risk a sure football scholarship for boxing? :confused: :confused: :confused:

If you 6'3" 245 strong and can move you are a lock to get in somewhere, may not go pro but college is paid for. Better than doing the rocky thing in the meat freezer.

Bigger faster stronger alone doesn't mean shit. :smh:
In boxing they use strategy. tendencies. You can make people use their own strength against them.

Shit you can do that in basketball. Makes people use their own speed and strenth against them. they would find a way to beat that.

So now Jamarion Moon faster and more athletic better then Larry Bird? C'mon son

you can also say that people are bigger and stronger about any sport in comparison to those before them in the same sport. Doesnt mean they better then those before them. If you notice when atheletes evolve in any sport the fundamentals are stressed less.

When your less fundamentally sound and focus more on abilities and IQ so you can compensate for it. You will never see another basketball player play up till they 42. Why? because they didn't learn great fundamentals until late in their career.




You talking about
 
BOXING KILLED BOXING


Greedy promoters and TV execs saw how much loot they could make off of pay per view in the 90's with Mike Tyson. Those greedy dumba$$es decided that they could have a mega fight every 6-8 months and milk it for every dollar.

What the Dumba$$es did not realize is that since they stopped promoting the free boxing - like Saturdays on the Wide World of Sports - every other week on tv, that they lost touch with the average and casual fan. Frank Tate, Bone Crusher Smith, Holyfield, Spinx, Tyson all these cats had a following which allowed you to have a mega pay day on pay per view.You wanted to cheer or jeer these dudes. You really wnated to know could boxer x beat boxer y.

Those dumba$$es in charge alienated a whole generation of fight fans because you started to have megabouts and no one really knew who the boxers realy were. There is no real exposure to the fighters now. No one cares about their "story" so you are not compelled to shell out 60 bucks on dues who you are "told" are the best in he world. I used to love boxing, but greed always messes up a good thing.
 
I honestly beleived what killed boxing was the lack of regulation. Coming out of the 70's and into the 80 boxing should have been regulated. Instead, it allowed a lot of hucksters to enter into the business and started to game the system. Whenever you had managers/boxing promoters just as famous as their boxing, there is a problem. Then you had too many belts or division. Instead of challenger #2 fighting challenger #1 who then would fight the current heavyweight champ, you had a bunch of fukery resulting in a lot of dogging fights, hyping fights that would either never take place or take place long after the interest has moved on. But the worse thing was the money. yOu had too much money involved for fighter who appeared only to care about getting paid as oppose to hone their skills. All of these things led to the demise of the heavyweight division. Now you have too many belts, too many new fighters with long histories of wins over people whom you never heard and way too much bs going on.
 
Excellent point, Saturday boxing was huge back in the day and allowed us to get to know Aaron Pryor, Alexis Arguello, Danny "Little Red" Lopez, Matthew Saad Muhammad etc. :yes:

HNIC



BOXING KILLED BOXING


Greedy promoters and TV execs saw how much loot they could make off of pay per view in the 90's with Mike Tyson. Those greedy dumba$$es decided that they could have a mega fight every 6-8 months and milk it for every dollar.

What the Dumba$$es did not realize is that since they stopped promoting the free boxing - like Saturdays on the Wide World of Sports - every other week on tv, that they lost touch with the average and casual fan. Frank Tate, Bone Crusher Smith, Holyfield, Spinx, Tyson all these cats had a following which allowed you to have a mega pay day on pay per view.You wanted to cheer or jeer these dudes. You really wnated to know could boxer x beat boxer y.

Those dumba$$es in charge alienated a whole generation of fight fans because you started to have megabouts and no one really knew who the boxers realy were. There is no real exposure to the fighters now. No one cares about their "story" so you are not compelled to shell out 60 bucks on dues who you are "told" are the best in he world. I used to love boxing, but greed always messes up a good thing.
 
BOXING KILLED BOXING


Greedy promoters and TV execs saw how much loot they could make off of pay per view in the 90's with Mike Tyson. Those greedy dumba$$es decided that they could have a mega fight every 6-8 months and milk it for every dollar.

What the Dumba$$es did not realize is that since they stopped promoting the free boxing - like Saturdays on the Wide World of Sports - every other week on tv, that they lost touch with the average and casual fan. Frank Tate, Bone Crusher Smith, Holyfield, Spinx, Tyson all these cats had a following which allowed you to have a mega pay day on pay per view.You wanted to cheer or jeer these dudes. You really wnated to know could boxer x beat boxer y.

Those dumba$$es in charge alienated a whole generation of fight fans because you started to have megabouts and no one really knew who the boxers realy were. There is no real exposure to the fighters now. No one cares about their "story" so you are not compelled to shell out 60 bucks on dues who you are "told" are the best in he world. I used to love boxing, but greed always messes up a good thing.

excellent!!!!!!!!!!

and the ufc fans take note

this same fuckery is beginning in your sport too
 
BOXING KILLED BOXING


Greedy promoters and TV execs saw how much loot they could make off of pay per view in the 90's with Mike Tyson. Those greedy dumba$$es decided that they could have a mega fight every 6-8 months and milk it for every dollar.

What the Dumba$$es did not realize is that since they stopped promoting the free boxing - like Saturdays on the Wide World of Sports - every other week on tv, that they lost touch with the average and casual fan. Frank Tate, Bone Crusher Smith, Holyfield, Spinx, Tyson all these cats had a following which allowed you to have a mega pay day on pay per view.You wanted to cheer or jeer these dudes. You really wnated to know could boxer x beat boxer y


Those dumba$$es in charge alienated a whole generation of fight fans because you started to have megabouts and no one really knew who the boxers realy were. There is no real exposure to the fighters now. No one cares about their "story" so you are not compelled to shell out 60 bucks on dues who you are "told" are the best in he world. I used to love boxing, but greed always messes up a good thing.

C/S
 
BOXING KILLED BOXING


Greedy promoters and TV execs saw how much loot they could make off of pay per view in the 90's with Mike Tyson. Those greedy dumba$$es decided that they could have a mega fight every 6-8 months and milk it for every dollar.

What the Dumba$$es did not realize is that since they stopped promoting the free boxing - like Saturdays on the Wide World of Sports - every other week on tv, that they lost touch with the average and casual fan. Frank Tate, Bone Crusher Smith, Holyfield, Spinx, Tyson all these cats had a following which allowed you to have a mega pay day on pay per view.You wanted to cheer or jeer these dudes. You really wnated to know could boxer x beat boxer y.

Those dumba$$es in charge alienated a whole generation of fight fans because you started to have megabouts and no one really knew who the boxers realy were. There is no real exposure to the fighters now. No one cares about their "story" so you are not compelled to shell out 60 bucks on dues who you are "told" are the best in he world. I used to love boxing, but greed always messes up a good thing.

Co-sign and simply adding NFL, NBA, and the 1980's governing bodies that decided to split and create a million titles. We now have 3 heavyweight champions with 2 being recognized as the linear champs. :rolleyes: ... Jack Johhnson, Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano are rolling in their graves. We need to go back to the days of one belt for each weight division even if they keep the current weight divisions.
 
NYYYYCE hit it right on the head....

How can a young kid want to emulate something he never sees?

But he sees football and basketball.....
 
Football and Boxing don't have a damn thing in common.

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They have everything in common. Up until about the 80's, if you was a bruh and a serious athlete with size, strength, and tenacity, you chose either football or boxing and that choice was more enticing towards boxing because you could make more money. Cats Like Ali, The Fraziers, Foreman, Hearns, they chose to make a mil in boxing vs like $100,000 a year playing football. Now with what they pay in football (which is millions even for those who aren't stars) vs. what they pay in boxing(which could be anything depending on what King or Arum want to rape you for), it's not lucrative anymore to take that punishment for the money they pay in boxing when you can make that and more in football and still remember your name when you retire. Football is taking all the athletes that 20 years ago would have been boxers.
 
Football and Boxing don't have a damn thing in common.

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Ken Norton was a football prospect who went to college on a full football scholarship and chose boxing for the better pay day. His son, Ken Norton Jr, went the football route going to USC before heading to the NFL and winning 3 superbowl rings. That by itself debunks your theory.
 
The retirement of Lennox Lewis combined with white, Europoean heavyweights that no one gives a shit about killed that division.

But in general, the excessive use of this killed boxing:

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Boxing cards on PPV used to be something to look forward to. During the last few years, they put an garbage ass fight on PPV. UFC is starting make the same mistake. Their PPV cards are getting weaker and weaker.
 
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