Interesting thread...
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reality is perception, I don't know about you, but I didn't perceive anything before I was born. so the answer to this question will just be personal opinion or belief
You r indeed special- most mammals are housed in a uterus before birth. I guess you were birthed by vomiting or worse....the other direction.
I believe that I was Jack The Ripper. Reading those stories as a child, I felt excited, familiar and very pleased.
In reality, we were everything and we were nothing but atoms and molecules of all the elements. What is the human body comprised of - carbon, hydrogen and oxygen for the most part and many other elements just all assembled in the form that produces a human being. Your parents fucked and the single semen and egg merged and chemistry happened. How did you grow? Your mother breathed, ate and drank and you grew. The eat, drink and air contained all the elements/compounds that became a part of your body. The random pattern with which this all came together is so unlikely to every occur again, that I do not believe that we have ever been here before.
Saw this interesting comment on an article recently:
What always blows my mind is how we started on this planet with the basic raw materials - trees, water, land, minerals, elements, etc. and we turned it into everything around us. We took those raw materials and gave ourselves the power to communicate with others at a great distance. Hell, we took those materials and gave ourselves the power to actually leave this planet. And we're made up of some of those same raw materials
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I need a blunt.
I've been more and more interested in this lately...I think we are all just on a grand spiritual journey with each of us living out a different viewpoint of the human experience. We have a loving creator who would never condemn us to something such as "Hell" (which is merely an instrument of fear that we have internalized), and our test in life is to discover our own unique purpose.
We each have a specific natal background...nowhere in the world have their ever been nor will be 2 people born at the exact same time on the same day in the same place with the same name.
What about the other sperm and eggs that were lost? We're just the lucky fuckers that merged. Those could've been somebody else.
YOU, your body can from half sperm and the other half the egg. Would you still have been you had mommy hooked up with another man instead of your father?
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I recall it vividly, was hot, bouncy, moisture everywhere, I wasn't alone...noooooooo there were thousands like me. all rushing around jostling and pushing ................. felt like we were competing with each other.
the idea that conscience is a 'thing' that is 'separate' from our brains, is probably as old as long as humans were able to think of it. however as the field of neuroscience grows, it is becoming more likely that consciousness is a process of the brain, and not a thing in it. think of taking a tour inside of a giant washing machine. you wouldn't look around and ask "where is the washingness" would you? no, because it is a silly question. washing is what that machine does. the same way that consciousness is what our big complex brains "do".
also if there is such a thing as a disembodied consciousness before we were born, that was destined for our living bodies, then what is the point of a man having millions of sperm in his nutsack? the fact that you are here reading this is a miracle of chance. you are the result of a particular sperm that made it there first. had it had been a different sperm that had reached there first, then a different human being would have been born in your place, simple as that.
Like I said there is no such thing as "chance" and "random". Reality doesn't appear until it is observed. There are scientific experiments that prove that atoms act differently when they are observed.
Like I said there is no such thing as "chance" and "random". Reality doesn't appear until it is observed. There are scientific experiments that prove that atoms act differently when they are observed.
Answer in the Bible ~ the Temptation of Christ Matthew 4:1~11 (change temptation into trading or dealing)Qn 1 Where Were You Before You Were Born?
Qn 2 Did you have a consciousness somewhere in the cosmos before your life on earth?
http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/wilderness.htm
Jesus refused the deal you accepted it. And then you were born. That's why you are plugged in to experience this virtual reality movie simulation program. The earth plane you're experiencing now thinking youre living a life is a computer software simulation program written by the devil itself. What you keep calling your consciousness is plugged in to experience a pre~programmed game where you think you are born into a family by a real mother you think you have real brothers sisters cousins friends relatives fans girlfriends et cetera all these loved ones in a virtual world which appears real but isn't ~ EVEN WHAT YOU THINK IS YOUR BODY ITSELF IS NOT REAL just a part of the virtual gameworld all in your head your brain. Your eyes are a window which your soul looks through to see the virtual environment you're not in a room at the moment the room is inside you its all in your head the entire universe it's unrealThe Third Temptation
“Again the devil taketh Him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them:
“And saith unto Him, All these will I give Thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship Me.
“Then saith Jesus unto him, Away with you, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.” Matt 4:8-10
Satan was tempting Christ to “save the world” in an easier, far less humiliating way than death on a cross. Satan was offering the Lord a “Quick Fix.” If Jesus would just bow down to Satan He would not have to go through the severe beating and blood loss, the crown of thorns on His head, being nailed to the cross as a common criminal, being ridiculed and abused by the Roman soldiers, or the derision and mockery of the crowd. Jesus would not have to die!
But the price for Christ would be - to sell His soul to the devil – and lose the authority to save the world. It would appear to be a benefit for the short term, but in the long term it would be a complete failure.
Instances in the Bible where God made major changes
and transformations after the period of 40
It rained for 40 days and 40 nights when God wanted to cleanse the world and start over.
(Gen 7:12 KJV) And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
Noah waited another 40 days after it rained before he opened a window in the Ark.
(Gen 8:6 KJV) And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
Embalming required 40 days (although this was an Egyptian custom, the Egyptians recognized the period of 40 for the preparation of going into a new life, what they called the afterlife)
(Gen 50:3 KJV) And forty days were fulfilled for him; for so are fulfilled the days of those which are embalmed: and the Egyptians mourned for him threescore and ten days.
Moses was on the mountain with God for 40 days (TWICE)
(Exo 24:18 KJV) And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.
(Exo 34:28-29 KJV) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
(Deu 10:10 NIV) Now I had stayed on the mountain forty days and nights, as I did the first time, and the LORD listened to me at this time also. It was not his will to destroy you.
Moses' face shone after the 40 days on the mountain.
(Exo 34:29 KJV) And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
It took the spies 40 days to search out the promised land and bring back fruit
(Num 13:25 KJV) And they returned from searching of the land after forty days.
The Israelites spent 40 years in the wilderness, one year for each day they explored the Promised Land.
(Exo 16:35 KJV) And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.
(Num 14:33-34 NIV) Your children will be shepherds here for forty years, suffering for your unfaithfulness, until the last of your bodies lies in the desert. {34} For forty years--one year for each of the forty days you explored the land-you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.
Goliath came for forty days before being killed by David
(1 Sam 17:16 NLT) For forty days, twice a day, morning and evening, the Philistine giant strutted in front of the Israelite army.
Elijah strengthened by one angelic meal went forty days to Mount Horeb where the Lord passed by and he heard the voice of God
(1 Ki 19:8 KJV) And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God.
Jonah warned the City of Nineveh they had 40 days until God would overthrow the city. The people repented in those 40 days and God spared the city.
(Jonah 3:4 and 10 KJV) And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jesus fasted for 40 days in the wilderness
(Mat 3:17 KJV) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(Mat 4:1-2 KJV) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. {2} And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.
Jesus was seen in the earth 40 days after His crucifixion
(Acts 1:3 NIV) After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
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ah, i see. so random chance is a lie then. care to explain the point of a man havin millions of sperm, each of which have the potential to create a different person, if everything is predetermined?
Did you have a consciousness somewhere in the cosmos before your life on earth?
Its not predetermined. Just because you have a million sperm doesn't mean one got randomly lucky. It just means it was that soul's turn to come to earth via another human. I believe life is here to teach you life lessons and you arrive at your situation because you chose it.