Where does LeBron's 2012 postseason rank among all-time great performances?

Who gives a fuck about last year?

Y'all let dirk get the chips

I still shake my head at wade for lettin bron go out like a bitch last year

:smh:
 
MVP season he didn't win it all so it isn't a title run. all the people mentioned won titles.

And the championship year, he didn't even play like he could until the 2nd round against the lakers


Kobe had good numbers but keeping it real shaq let kobe eat.

1.and in the last 2 the first... they eeked it out and the bigs were more of a factor

and in the 2nd in 2. game 7 he came up small so it kinda diminishes him.

1. "During the 2008, 2009 and 2010 postseasons, Kobe Bryant scored 633, 695 and 671 points, respectively.

Bryant became the only player in league history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive postseasons.

2. Dude shot was off, but he grabbed 15 rebounds. You like he stopped scoring and became irrelevant. This is my beef with most people and Kobe. NO, Kobe is not better than MJ, but dudes can't even remember his career correctly. I guess if you don't care about someone you won't remember the details.

I could show BGOL shit from Kobe's career that I know they don't remember, and like in the past, all they'll say is, 'OH, WELL, UH, UH, UH"...which pretty much confirms they're just hating on the dude. Why do you need to defend your point of view when you've been proven wrong? It's because you've been using stats to push your agenda.

But, eewwll didn't create this thread for this.

I'm done.
 
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I have to put Shaq 2001 over this one as well. The Lakers weren't even challenged. He averaged like 32/15 in those Finals
 
Shaq let Kobe eat? @ dude.

Alright, man.

Shaq and Kobe let those other niggas eat, because their was a significant drop off after those two. After the 2000 playoff run, Kobe was always a huge part of LA's success. The biggest? No. However, LA skated by on Kobe and Shaq.

Frankly, I felt we got exposed a little against Philly. Once Kobe was neutralized, it took Shaq having an utterly dominant Finals to win that shit, because no one on LA could really put the ball on the floor BUT Kobe. Philly flat-out couldn't stop Shaq, so they put a lot effort into neutralizing Kobe, and that freed everyone up.

Everyone talks about the Triangle offense. Man, bullshit. I know how the triangle is SUPPOSED to work, but Kobe had the ball in his hands ALL the time. That is the first time I've heard the term 'The Facilitator' used, because that is what Phil said he needed Kobe to be.

But, it's because of comments you dudes are making in this thread that made Kobe want to get out of Shaq's shadow. This dude was putting up major numbers for LA, being the only dude on the team that could break down defenses with penetration, and all everyone says is, 'Yeah, Shaq won that shit by himself!"

No one even cares about the fact that Shaq had to be BENCHED before Stern changed that rule at the end of games where your teammate could shoot your shots if you got fouled. Who had the ball when Shaq was on the bench? Horry? Fisher? Nah, Kobe was LA's closer. With or without Shaq on the floor.

Everyone remembers that play where Kobe crossed Pip, and tossed that oop to Shaq. This was an end game situation, and LA put the ball in Kobe's hand to make a decision. He decided to pass, and Shaq finished. But, whatever...

...it's a lot to remember Shaq averaging so many points and dismissing Kobe's multi-faceted contributions to LA.


you just said all of that

but the reason they won is because nobody had an answer for shaq.

so yes shaq let kobe eat. he was the difference in every series and every championship.

the big men were no match for him at all....

kobe got free reign because shaq was in the paint with nobody to guard him...especially by the time he got to the finals... it was just no contest.

he had the ball in his hands to make the deciding play... you see where the ball went right?
 
1. "During the 2008, 2009 and 2010 postseasons, Kobe Bryant scored 633, 695 and 671 points, respectively.

Bryant became the only player in league history to score at least 600 points in three consecutive postseasons.

2. Dude shot was off, but he grabbed 15 rebounds. You like he stopped scoring and became irrelevant. This is my beef with most people and Kobe. NO, Kobe is not better than MJ, but dudes can't even remember his career correctly. I guess if you don't care about someone you won't remember the details.

I could show BGOL shit from Kobe's career that I know they don't remember, and like in the past, all they'll say is, 'OH, WELL, UH, UH, UH"...which pretty much confirms they're just hating on the dude. Why do you need to defend your point of view when you've been proven wrong? It's because you've been using stats to push your agenda.

But, eewwll didn't create this thread for this.

I'm done.


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who said anything about kobe not being good? or contributing? certainly not me

but yall love him so much you want him to eat off the shaq plate with shaq... when it ain't happening.

i don't have an agenda but whoever doesn't kiss kobe's ring has one right?

he was the man when they won the 2 rings...

facts are facts....

the bigs got him over the hump...prior to them he was ready to leave cause shit wasn't working and shaq had already gotten another ring with another player...

and in game 7 his shot was off and his teammates picked him up and carried him.

15 rebounds.... ok? is that supposed to make up for him not making buckets and being the closer when that's what he's supposed to do?
sure 15 boards means he was active and trying to be involved in other ways
HOWEVER
it doesn't change the fact that he didn't do much in really the category he needed to do something in.

if he had 35pts and 1 rebound.... i doubt anyone would nitpick and say well he only had 1 board
 
it was, it was just a rare gif of the two face to face.
lakers lost that series


If the Lakers won, that would have to be the 1971-72 season, the year AFTER the Bucks dispatched them in 5 games on their way to the NBA championship
In 70-71, in only their third year in existence and Jabbar's second in the league that waxed the Lakers ass. Hell of a championship run (at the age of about 23)
if you ask me. Wilt was understandably salty after losing to the Bucks so easily. He might have figured with Russell retired it would be easy.
 
championship maybe, but who can dispute that lebron post season wasn't one of the best ever, especially of you put it in proper context what he had to go up against and the pressure he faced on winning this year...

not impressed, he was coming out of the east dude! NOW IF BRON WOULD OF STAYED IN CLEVELAND WITH NO BOSH AND NO DWADE, HAD THE SAME PERFORMANCE THAT WOULD BE IMPRESSIVE!! IT WAS BRON TIME THOUGH NOT TO MENTION A 3QUARTER SEASON LMAO PERFECT FOR HIM
 
If the Lakers won, that would have to be the 1971-72 season, the year AFTER the Bucks dispatched them in 5 games on their way to the NBA championship
In 70-71, in only their third year in existence and Jabbar's second in the league that waxed the Lakers ass. Hell of a championship run (at the age of about 23)
if you ask me. Wilt was understandably salty after losing to the Bucks so easily. He might have figured with Russell retired it would be easy.

you are right but like i was saying we gotta look up the stats... cause honestly the only playoff runs they have on there are from recent...and jordans ill do some digging and see what's what
 
Championship maybe, but who can dispute that LeBron post season wasn't one of the best ever, especially of you put it in proper context what he had to go up against and the pressure he faced on winning this year...

Def the best post season run behind Jordan ever

And now that Bron shut half these both niggas up he bout to bitch slap the league for the next 6 to 7 years

i can't say that it was the 2nd best ever.
there are lots to take into account for 1 teams not being at full strength and who they played...

and 2 they were challenged and down in 3 series

if they wanna ding shaq....for the rest of the team not playing good defense....when he dominated...even though they only lost 1 game

how can this one be better when they were pushed in 2 series and had to go to a game 7 in the ecf?

that's why i put it at #3

and that shaq 2000....that was on another level and way too low imo that's #2 from this list
 
Man.. Shaq had a 3 year run where he was just bananas... some of his Finals stats were just CRAZY

that's what im saying. people want to be revisionist.

i know what i saw... shaq figured it out and wanted to win. and he tore through everything.

his stats reflect a level of dominance and the thing is, the eye test shows the extra level he was on.
 
not impressed, he was coming out of the east dude! NOW IF BRON WOULD OF STAYED IN CLEVELAND WITH NO BOSH AND NO DWADE, HAD THE SAME PERFORMANCE THAT WOULD BE IMPRESSIVE!! IT WAS BRON TIME THOUGH NOT TO MENTION A 3QUARTER SEASON LMAO PERFECT FOR HIM

:smh: So basically the only way you would have been impressed is if Bron played on an lotto team..:lol: Why don't you hold Kobe, Shaq and eve Jordan to that standard? Or is it only a LeBron rule, in your screwed up head?
 
i can't say that it was the 2nd best ever.
there are lots to take into account for 1 teams not being at full strength and who they played...

and 2 they were challenged and down in 3 series

if they wanna ding shaq....for the rest of the team not playing good defense....when he dominated...even though they only lost 1 game

how can this one be better when they were pushed in 2 series and had to go to a game 7 in the ecf?

that's why i put it at #3

and that shaq 2000....that was on another level and way too low imo that's #2 from this list

You right Shaq was putting nighas in the yoke :lol:

Bron def top 3 though so that's still impressive company
 
Jabbars second season vs Chamberlain's 11th or 12th
And Milwaukee still won this series 4 games to 1....
not to menton there aren't too many current players skillful enough to shoot the exact same shot with either hand

and my next question was gonna be No Wilt? (1967)

This ranking is very shortsighted. How can the survey not include the names you mentioned and no mention of Kobe. Who pretty much dominated once MJ stepped down. Then again no mention of Bill (11 rings) Russell? No Karem? This postseason ranking can't be real. :smh:

Can't ignore the games legends simply because you didn't see them play. Russell won 11 rings and in the process made Chamberlain a lot less dominant especially in the rankings. Some might try and say Russell's wins were against lessor talents. But those he played against were listed as professionals.

As for LeBron I think his ranking as #2 is perfect. Should've been #1 but he dogged up more than a few times at the free throw line.
 
Ehh true but still great numbers regardless no matter how it's sliced

No doubt but a dominate center vs smaller guys would always have favorable numbers... One reason why Wilt numbers are downgraded is because he was 7'1 during a era where most centers was around 6'9 and the closest thing to a center he played against Bill Russel 6'9 1/2 owned him... While Shaq didn't have a Wilt thing going on in L.A. it was pretty darn close those championship years..
 
I would have been surprised to see him on that list. He wasnt the best player on his team for the first 3 titles and Shaq went sick in the playoffs those seasons.. and then just really didnt have great playoff runs during the last two titles...

Shaq was a monster and almost unguardable for the first three titles no doubt but Kobe has 2 finals MVP. The Lakers wouldn't have been anywhere near contention without Kobe in 09 & 10. I'm not sayin he did it without help but......
 
Oh, LeBron beasted in 2012 too. Amazing playoff performance. How black people can hate on LeBron is beyond me.......
 
Shaq was a monster and almost unguardable for the first three titles no doubt but Kobe has 2 finals MVP. The Lakers wouldn't have been anywhere near contention without Kobe in 09 & 10. I'm not sayin he did it without help but......

But he didnt have all-time great postseason performances in 09 and 2010...
 
But Shaq did it vs the Nets, Philly and the Pacers..:smh: Three average teams with no real center (in the finals)..


nah don't even try that shit.

your road to the finals was easier than the one the lakers took by far.

and in the finals you both only lost 1 game....

difference is the lakers didn't lose ANY games against the tougher western conference....

they swept meaning not lose a game to the trailblazers who had sheed, strickland, pippen, the plastic man, steve smith, sabonis, damon stoudamire, and bruiser davis....SWEPT this team.


THEY SWEPT the kings when the peja webber vlade nucleus was in FULL SWING.... not beat but SWEPT THEM.

and then SWEPT the spurs with tim duncan, sean elliot avery johnson and david robinson....and don't give me that he was old argument robinson and them were not old.. they were 2 years removed from hoisting up the championship...robinson only inyear 11.


so yea the east had nothing to offer in the finals...however the west had everything to offer....and they SWEPT through them.. SWEPT


shaq is #2
 
This ranking is very shortsighted. How can the survey not include the names you mentioned and no mention of Kobe. Who pretty much dominated once MJ stepped down. Then again no mention of Bill (11 rings) Russell? No Karem? This postseason ranking can't be real. :smh:

Can't ignore the games legends simply because you didn't see them play. Russell won 11 rings and in the process made Chamberlain a lot less dominant especially in the rankings. Some might try and say Russell's wins were against lessor talents. But those he played against were listed as professionals.

As for LeBron I think his ranking as #2 is perfect. Should've been #1 but he dogged up more than a few times at the free throw line.

you were fine saying that the others should be included i agree... however there is no argument to be made for him to be #1 on this list... putting it into perspective its not even close.

and honestly the shaq one is over this year's and its not a slight on lebron...its just when you look at the list... look at the competition...and then only lose 1 game.... and put up the numbers he put up?
 

No doubt but a dominate center vs smaller guys would always have favorable numbers... One reason why Wilt numbers are downgraded is because he was 7'1 during a era where most centers was around 6'9 and the closest thing to a center he played against Bill Russel 6'9 1/2 owned him... While Shaq didn't have a Wilt thing going on in L.A. it was pretty darn close those championship years..

he went through robinson, duncan, sabonis, wallace, webber and divac to get to the championship fam... which one of them is little?
 
Shaq was a monster and almost unguardable for the first three titles no doubt but Kobe has 2 finals MVP. The Lakers wouldn't have been anywhere near contention without Kobe in 09 & 10. I'm not sayin he did it without help but......

he has 2 finals mvp's yes... when shaq was there he had 0 finals mvp's

and you're saying that the lakers wouldn't have been near contention without kobe which is true
but don't forget that with kobe but without gasol they weren't anywhere near contention as well
 
Oh, LeBron beasted in 2012 too. Amazing playoff performance. How black people can hate on LeBron is beyond me.......

:rolleyes:
we're black here in this thread... its not hating its putting things in proper context...debating and then deciding.

don't throw the race card out there... we all were rooting for him to win.
 
One reason why Wilt numbers are downgraded is because he was 7'1 during a era where most centers was around 6'9 and the closest thing to a center he played against Bill Russel 6'9 1/2 owned him...


Yeah, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, Wayne Embry, Bob Pettit, Lew Alcindor, Jerry Lucas, Elvin Hayes & Wes Unseld....all scrubs
Not to mention all the scrubby teams they played on that never played team defense :rolleyes:
btw....Wilt 30ppg 25rpg owned?? Not hardly. Maybe his teams but not him
 
that's what im saying. people want to be revisionist.

i know what i saw... shaq figured it out and wanted to win. and he tore through everything.

his stats reflect a level of dominance and the thing is, the eye test shows the extra level he was on.
Tell me about it.

I remember not too long ago getting into an argument with a resident Kobe nutswinger who proclaimed them first three chips were all Kobe's. I mean dude straight minimized Shaq's presence as if he was a role player. :lol:
 
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