When It Comes to Policy, Biden and Trump Aren't That Different

[Joe Money]

so thats the excuse you give him for turning his back on you and abandoning his own election strategy and voting for a man who in your estimation is no better than trump?? He's a got a cushy gig to protect so he gets a pass....but you're hounding ME?? talk about head in the sand....
And if the choice is vs. republicans it is....hell even Glaude said that.. something about how he'd vote if he was alive by election day.. dude YOU brought him up a while ago as an example of blank out..YOU did that..not me..YOU. deal with it.

Turning his back on me? I don't know the man.

So you say that Dems are the only option. My consistent question has been - How do you determine if their policies have been effective or not, especially if you do not wish to consider any empirical data as it pertains to any policy issues? How do you know if their policies work?

 

[Heavenlywings77]

Gtfoh with those white racist talking points. You think so little about your own people that you don't think they're qualified to make an informed decision? That's coon shit.

Your joking right? Got to be... Just have to be.

 

[Supersav]

I’m glad actually. The root problem has been exposed. Which is why you’re responding with emojis and memes. How old are you again? 55?

He's stuck...leave him alone lol. He doesn't have an answer. Stumped lol

 

[Joe Money]

He's stuck...leave him alone lol. He doesn't have an answer. Stumped lol

This is geechie’s old ass right here!

 

[geechiedan]

He's stuck...leave him alone lol. He doesn't have an answer. Stumped lol

I gave an answer several times...just cause he doesn't like it and keeps repeating it doesn't mean I have to change it..

 

[Joe Money]

He's stuck...leave him alone lol. He doesn't have an answer. Stumped lol

His answer was "I don't care to talk about the data because that's the past and elections are about the future and trying to make things better from the past."

I guess he doesn't live in the present.

 

[Supersav]

I gave an answer several times...just cause he doesn't like it and keeps repeating it doesn't mean I have to change it..

Nah u kept avoiding it by mentioning the glaud guy. You never directly answered but I know u don't have one. You support biden no matter what because otherwise what choice to we have correct?

 

[Joe Money]

Nah u kept avoiding it by mentioning the glaud guy. You never directly answered but I know u don't have one. You support biden no matter what because otherwise what choice to we have correct?

He keeps mentioning Glaude because that is how geechie thinks..........he believes in blindly following a person regardless of what they say and do rather than realizing that a person can have ideas and methods that you do agree with and ones that you don't. Basically, he's a sheep.

And he hates looking at metrics and hates the idea of actually looking at any kind of metrics because it then means that you can truly assess whether a politician or policy has been has been successful or not and you can judge them accordingly.

I get the impression that geechie is an old school church negro who grew up with the mentality that you don't question the preacher or the church doctrine, and he has brought that mentality to his political worldview. And this is true of a lot of the other Bidets on this board as well. #blueMAGA

 

[Loan Me 20]

I brought up what the article was discussing. As for the conditions of the facilities, this is from today:https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...0210322-g3tcdouuq5affddzvasw2mmdhm-story.html

And the article discussed the unaccompanied children:

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For starters, families who show up to ask for asylum are sent back, while unaccompanied children who cross the border will get into the country. That's an incentive to send kids alone.​

And the main point of the first part of the article remains: Biden’s policies in this regard aren’t much different from Trump’s.

No I brought up 2 points about the article (the facilities & unaccompanied kids). You tried to change the subject to families. Now according to the article you linked the only terrible thing that's mentioned is overcrowding. Not a lack of medical care or food. Just that there's too many people due to an increase of immigrants seeking asylum. This author seems to be upset that children who don't have guardians or parents are no longer being kicked out of the country or "lost." He/she has a very nefarious agenda.

 

[AllUniverse17]

The thing about this is one white supremacist is out in the open while the other is closeted and seen as a savior. The one seen as the savior is the most dangerous.

No one sees Biden as a savior.

Thats just dumb shit you made up to excuse your support for Trump.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

We met deported migrants at the border. Some say they're ready to cross again

Carlos Cocoy, left, says he will try to cross the Rio Grande again. Returning to Guatemala, he says, isn't an option.

On the US side of the border, we've seen crowded conditions in detention facilities and large groups of migrants at bus stations after families have been released from custody. But here, on the Mexican side, the scene is dramatically different. Stories like Cocoy's -- and confusion over which migrant families are allowed to stay in the United States and which families get kicked out -- are becoming more common.
While officials are letting unaccompanied minors into the United States to make their case for asylum, and letting some families deemed vulnerable cross, too, the Biden administration has said most adults and families are being expelled under the pandemic public health restrictions that remain in place along the border.
Some of those who are sent to Mexico are likely trying to cross again -- one factor that could be making the numbers of migrants apprehended at the border shoot up.

Deported families at the border say they're shocked and confused | CNN

Deported migrants at the border say they're angry their journey into the US was cut short, worried because they have no place to stay in Mexico and confused because they thought things had changed since President Donald Trump left the White House.

www.cnn.com

 

[geechiedan]

He keeps mentioning Glaude because that is how geechie thinks..........he believes in blindly following a person regardless of what they say and do rather than realizing that a person can have ideas and methods that you do agree with and ones that you don't. Basically, he's a sheep.

And he hates looking at metrics and hates the idea of actually looking at any kind of metrics because it then means that you can truly assess whether a politician or policy has been has been successful or not and you can judge them accordingly.

I get the impression that geechie is an old school church negro who grew up with the mentality that you don't question the preacher or the church doctrine, and he has brought that mentality to his political worldview. And this is true of a lot of the other Bidets on this board as well. #blueMAGA

I mention glaude because you brought him up as an example of an explanation for a particular voting strategy (one I disagree with) then he blew it up by publicly proclaiming he's voting for biden in the next presidential election.

The ancillary benefit of his doing that is watching you do pretzel logic and mental gymnastics on why he would cast a vote for a guy thats no better than trump

So, the vibe I generally get is that Glaude voted for Biden because he regarded Trump as some of kind of existential threat to American democracy. His vote for Biden was driven by that and not by a sycophantic devotion to Biden or the Democrats, hence the "That does not mean that until then I have lost all my critical faculties. I don’t approach politics like a sports fan."

How am I pissed? That's his decision. He has a job on MSNBC to worry about.

by your own estimation, Eddie G is a plantation negro just like the other 84% of black people voted for biden this election cycle. and yet you can bring yourself to saying it.

 

[Joe Money]

I mention glaude because you brought him up as an example of an explanation for a particular voting strategy (one I disagree with) then he blew it up by publicly proclaiming he's voting for biden in the next presidential election.

The ancillary benefit of his doing that is watching you do pretzel logic and mental gymnastics on why he would cast a vote for a guy thats no better than trump

by your own estimation, Eddie G is a plantation negro just like the other 84% of black people voted for biden this election cycle. and yet you can bring yourself to saying it.

Geechie, let it go. You've gone full-blown ADOS in the Haitian thread, so you do understand what we're talking about, even if you don't want to claim the term. I don't care who Glaude votes for. Darity voted for Biden as well. That doesn't mean I'll discount his reparations research and work. As I've said before and I'll say again, I follow policies, not people. I know you're from an older generation and old school mentality that, one could say, is more deferential to authority. But if you were to actually look at the statistical information that you claim you "don't care" to look at or talk about, then you'd have a far better understanding of these things, because they get more complicated on the generational level. This is a big reason why ADOS is more understood on theColi and Lipstick Alley than it is on elderly BGOL.

 

[geechiedan]

Geechie, let it go. You've gone full-blown ADOS in the Haitian thread, so you do understand what we're talking about, even if you don't want to claim the term. I don't care who Glaude votes for. Darity voted for Biden as well. That doesn't mean I'll discount his reparations research and work. As I've said before and I'll say again, I follow policies, not people. I know you're from an older generation and old school mentality that, one could say, is more deferential to authority. But if you were to actually look at the statistical information that you claim you "don't care" to look at or talk about, then you'd have a far better understanding of these things, because they get more complicated on the generational level. This is a big reason why ADOS is more understood on theColi and Lipstick Alley than it is on elderly BGOL.

As a black american I am by definition an American Descendant of Slavery but as I've said before I don't agree with all of the tactics of the ADOS organization. Blank out is one of them. Nor am I a fan of how you guys cherry pick who gets a pass for making the same choices.

Geechiedan votes for biden = plantation coon negro who supports a known racist

Eddie Glaude votes for biden = he had his own reasons so lets just move it along




c'mon dude

 

[Joe Money]

As a black american I am by definition an American Descendant of Slavery but as I've said before I don't agree with all of the tactics of the ADOS organization. Blank out is one of them. Nor am I a fan of how you guys cherry pick who gets a pass for making the same choices.

Geechiedan votes for biden = plantation coon negro who supports a known racist

Eddie Glaude votes for biden = he had his own reasons so lets just move it along




c'mon dude

The difference is the UNCRITICAL support of Biden. As Glaude and I've repeatedly pointed out "That does not mean that until then I have lost all my critical faculties. I don’t approach politics like a sports fan." This is the part you don't seem to get. You act as if Biden and the Dems should not and cannot be examined or criticized. That, along with the willful embrace of ignorance in the process. As you said yourself, you "don't care to discuss" any empirical data as they relate to socioeconomic issues. So you have no idea if policy works or not.

 

[geechiedan]

The difference is the UNCRITICAL support of Biden. As Glaude and I've repeatedly pointed out "That does not mean that until then I have lost all my critical faculties. I don’t approach politics like a sports fan." This is the part you don't seem to get. You act as if Biden and the Dems should not and cannot be examined or criticized. That, along with the willful embrace of ignorance in the process. As you said yourself, you "don't care to discuss" any empirical data as they relate to socioeconomic issues. So you have no idea if policy works or not.

oh please I could say that shit too would it make the choice any better??

You presumably didn't vote for biden or trump because you believe neither one has black americans interest at heart and their records show it. And you feel that anyone voting for either of them are selling out.

As far as your position is concerned biden shouldn't be there period. And any bad things that happen is directly a result of the people who voted for him and put him there. Which includes glaude. Doesn't matter that he's "critical" what's he gonna do when biden does something he doesn't like?? talk bad about it..oh but wait..he has to save his cushy job at MSNBC right?? so he's not going to do that... Whats he gonna do NOT vote for him come 2024? what if trump runs again?! has he actually said anything critical of biden thus far?? Biden's been prez for 3 months and you posted at least half a dozen things you hate about his presidency...has glaude or darity said anything critical of those issues??

This is why I don't bother explaning how I deduce my voting choices....A. I don't have to justify myself to you at all for anything I do and 2. It wouldn't change the grand picture of the issue you have with the political landscape.

 

[Joe Money]

oh please I could say that shit too would it make the choice any better??

You presumably didn't vote for biden or trump because you believe neither one has black americans interest at heart and their records show it. And you feel that anyone voting for either of them are selling out.

As far as your position is concerned biden shouldn't be there period. And any bad things that happen is directly a result of the people who voted for him and put him there. Which includes glaude. Doesn't matter that he's "critical" what's he gonna do when biden does something he doesn't like?? talk bad about it..oh but wait..he has to save his cushy job at MSNBC right?? so he's not going to do that... Whats he gonna do NOT vote for him come 2024? what if trump runs again?! has he actually said anything critical of biden thus far?? Biden's been prez for 3 months and you posted at least half a dozen things you hate about his presidency...has glaude or darity said anything critical of those issues??

This is why I don't bother explaning how I deduce my voting choices....A. I don't have to justify myself to you at all for anything I do and 2. It wouldn't change the grand picture of the issue you have with the political landscape.

Presumably? I've told you previously that I did not vote for Biden or Trump.

As far as my position is concerned, it is predicated on POLICY and AGENDA!! What do you not understand about this? How many times have I said this? I do not hedge my bets on any one person, candidate, or political party. If you're so interested in any and everything they say, then follow them on Twitter.

And I didn't ask you your voting choices. I asked you how do you determine if a policy has been effective or not if you "don't care" to look at the data surrounding the issue? For example, if a policy, law, or initiative says it will reduce child poverty by half in two years, wouldn't it logically make sense to examine what the child poverty rate is before the implementation of the policy, and then examine the child poverty rate two years later to see if the policy worked?

 

[darth frosty]