What's Your Thoughts On Slavery.

[charlie dark]

The So Called Negroes or "African Americans" are the true and original "JEWS"

The white, "jew-ISH" ancestors of the white King Herod (who ruled over Israel, for the romans) were put through the Holocaust.

I'm not trying to be provocative here but I have a problem with your assertion (in bold) that I find hard to reconcile...help me out.
My understanding of the trans -Atlantic slave trade is, Africans were captured by other Africans, either on slave specific missions or as a by product of tribal wars, deliberately started/provoked or otherwise and sold on to the Europeans who transported them to the Americas. The slaves were from many various tribes and as in all power struggles there were winners and loosers. So one tribe may be the victor of one war and the captured loosers would be sold on as slaves, the next time that tribe may be on the loosing side and so on.
Obviously there were some tribes that built up and prospered on the back of the slave trade eg the Benin and the Ashanti kingdoms.
You assertion that 'African Americans' are the 'true jews' would mean that only one specific tribe was sort out and captured to be sold into slavery.....I think dna research has provided us with enough evidence to conclude that slaves were captured from many varying tribes......so that would mean that not all slaves are from this one true jew tribe...secondly who are the african descendants of this Jew tribe that remained in Africa, ie were not captured?
If someone could shed a little light on this for me I'd be most grateful.

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

Man I could make this a long, long, long thread but i'll try and hip y'all to a couple of concepts real short and quick like. Folks always compare Jews and blacks like our sufferings were the same. The Holocaust wasn't the same as slavery it was much worst. Hitler tried to wipe the jews off of the planet. We were a valuable commodity so that makes us apples and oranges. Now aside from that. Jews and blacks have been slaves since the beginning of time but it's a HUMAN QUALITY that the strong makes it to the top of the heap and the weak fall to the bottom. Don't think for one minute that African tribes didn't conquer other African tribes, take there riches, women, and children and wipe away their history. All that the white man has done in American we did to each other in Africa. It's called human survival and it's what we do to each other. Believe if we (Blacks) were in power here, we'd be doing the same thing whites are doing. If not, we wouldn't be in power long. There's no way a person or people can be on top or in power over others and not subjugate others. The U.S. sells a dream to the rest of the world. Our reality is not real at all and we sell that dream so well that other nations buy and have bought into it. Now look at our economy. We damn near don't own shit. We've outsourced damn near every industry, why, because we've created an image that the rest of the world wanted. Jackie chan, bruce lee, jet li etc. all very successful actors in their own country way before coming here didn't really consider themselves successful until they were successful in the american market. A market that's 20 times smaller then their home market. So yes slavery was very real but we need to stop looking at whites as if they are animals. They are humans doing what human beings do. We need to deal with them on that level. Only then can we overcome as a people.

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

Man I could make this a long, long, long thread but i'll try and hip y'all to a couple of concepts real short and quick like. Folks always compare Jews and blacks like our sufferings were the same. The Holocaust wasn't the same as slavery it was much worst. Hitler tried to wipe the jews off of the planet. We were a valuable commodity so that makes us apples and oranges. Now aside from that. Jews and blacks have been slaves since the beginning of time but it's a HUMAN QUALITY that the strong makes it to the top of the heap and the weak fall to the bottom. Don't think for one minute that African tribes didn't conquer other African tribes, take there riches, women, and children and wipe away their history. All that the white man has done in American we did to each other in Africa. It's called human survival and it's what we do to each other. Believe if we (Blacks) were in power here, we'd be doing the same thing whites are doing. If not, we wouldn't be in power long. There's no way a person or people can be on top or in power over others and not subjugate others. The U.S. sells a dream to the rest of the world. Our reality is not real at all and we sell that dream so well that other nations buy and have bought into it. Now look at our economy. We damn near don't own shit. We've outsourced damn near every industry, why, because we've created an image that the rest of the world wanted. Jackie chan, bruce lee, jet li etc. all very successful actors in their own country way before coming here didn't really consider themselves successful until they were successful in the american market. A market that's 20 times smaller then their home market. So yes slavery was very real but we need to stop looking at whites as if they are animals. They are humans doing what human beings do. We need to deal with them on that level. Only then can we overcome as a people.

 

[LANQS]

Slavery is "told" in a lot of different ways. You'll need to be more clear as to what exactly do you mean?

Maybe you descend from the .0000001% of blacks descended from West African explorers, but for the other 99.9999999% percent of us, please stop propagating those lies and bullshit, sir.

That is all.

Wow!! They've really done a job on you haven't they.

 

[DaleMabry]

They who? Ivan Van Sertima? Fuck outta here.

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

Listen, you young cartoon-watching bitch. The Atlantic slave trade was one of the very worse crimes against humanity in the history of mankind. Tens of millions of Africans died in transit alone. For your ignorant black ass to sit here in 2008 and try to deny that it happened is beyond appalling. I take that shit as seriously as Jews take the Shoah (the Holocaust.) My great great grandmother was a slave until she was 7 years old.

HOMIE SOME PEOPLE GET THE ? I'M ASKING SOME DONT, I;M SAYING WE HAVE LIMITED INFO ON WHAT HAPPENED SO IS IT "ALL" TRUE THE WAY ITS TOLD. 400 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE STORY OF 9/11 IS TOLD AND NONE WHO WAS THERE THAT DAY IS ALIVE ANYMORE, DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IS WHAT WILL BE TOLD NO IT WILL BE TOLD TO SOMEHOW MAKE WHITE PEOPLE SHINE. AND THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING BOUT SLAVERY IS THE STORY BEING TOLD BY WHITES "THE WINNER OF THAT BATTLE" THE WHOLE TRUTH, DID YOU EVER SPEAK TO YOU GREAT GREAT GANDMOTHER ABOUT SLAVERY AND IF SO WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU. BECAUSE I DID SPEAK TO MINE AND THEY WERE NOT SLAVES.

 

[ElBarrio]

Was slavery real? We can attribute the dynamic of the Black Family straight from a plantation. Most non-slave immigrants in the U.S. have family history, monies handed down, etc.

This is why its so import to repair the Black Family. Or we'll loose the battle for a GOOD life, not this blindeed society we're in today. White people are going GREEN, and our brother still behind BARS seeing STARS.

SO Slavery majorly impacted everything we know..... although, we gotta focus on where we're Going. Let's learn the lesson and makes moves forward.

Economic Strength through education and opportunity.

 

[water]

HOMIE SOME PEOPLE GET THE ? I'M ASKING SOME DONT, I;M SAYING WE HAVE LIMITED INFO ON WHAT HAPPENED SO IS IT "ALL" TRUE THE WAY ITS TOLD. 400 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE STORY OF 9/11 IS TOLD AND NONE WHO WAS THERE THAT DAY IS ALIVE ANYMORE, DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IS WHAT WILL BE TOLD NO IT WILL BE TOLD TO SOMEHOW MAKE WHITE PEOPLE SHINE. AND THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING BOUT SLAVERY IS THE STORY BEING TOLD BY WHITES "THE WINNER OF THAT BATTLE" THE WHOLE TRUTH, DID YOU EVER SPEAK TO YOU GREAT GREAT GANDMOTHER ABOUT SLAVERY AND IF SO WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU. BECAUSE I DID SPEAK TO MINE AND THEY WERE NOT SLAVES.

Limited????


Have you even started to read ANYTHING about slavery?

Are you waiting for someone to spoon feed you????

Please give us some titles you read so far.............



Well start here you lazy bastard:

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=121830

 

[water]

Man I could make this a long, long, long thread but i'll try and hip y'all to a couple of concepts real short and quick like. Folks always compare Jews and blacks like our sufferings were the same. The Holocaust wasn't the same as slavery it was much worst. Hitler tried to wipe the jews off of the planet. We were a valuable commodity so that makes us apples and oranges. Now aside from that. Jews and blacks have been slaves since the beginning of time but it's a HUMAN QUALITY that the strong makes it to the top of the heap and the weak fall to the bottom. Don't think for one minute that African tribes didn't conquer other African tribes, take there riches, women, and children and wipe away their history. All that the white man has done in American we did to each other in Africa. It's called human survival and it's what we do to each other.


Believe if we (Blacks) were in power here, we'd be doing the same thing whites are doing.

If not, we wouldn't be in power long. There's no way a person or people can be on top or in power over others and not subjugate others. The U.S. sells a dream to the rest of the world. Our reality is not real at all and we sell that dream so well that other nations buy and have bought into it. Now look at our economy. We damn near don't own shit. We've outsourced damn near every industry, why, because we've created an image that the rest of the world wanted. Jackie chan, bruce lee, jet li etc. all very successful actors in their own country way before coming here didn't really consider themselves successful until they were successful in the american market. A market that's 20 times smaller then their home market. So yes slavery was very real but we need to stop looking at whites as if they are animals. They are humans doing what human beings do. We need to deal with them on that level. Only then can we overcome as a people.

What the fuck is your problem????


This is your line of reasoning???





Posting 101: For Undercover Whiteboys on BGOL

10. A slavery post doesn't mean we hate you for what you have collectively done but a reminder of what you are capable of doing.

 

[audio syndicate]

since he seems sincere (sorta) i'll humor him for a minute..

slavery is an economic institution. what happend in the americas was an economic institution. therefore slave groups are chosen for a skill set or talent or a particular use. (africans are experts in crop production in less than optimal climates - rice, cotton, soya, etc, which were the cash crops of the americas) how slavery was enforced initially was the exploition of a spiritual and social culture (using beliefs against the potential slave group), then the replacement of a spiritual and social culture (the potential slave owner's culture), then the justification of the instutition through the exploitation of the potential slave group's culture through the slave owner's force of his own culture (african religion bad, white religion good), then add a generational fear and the diminishing of the potential slave group's culture within 1-3 generations. this is cultural conditioning that because of fear, replaces the former culture and becomes the accepted norm.

now to your thought process, there are always things that will go against the norm. but slavery was a well known and accepted practice for hundreds of years. there is documented proof of that. hell, the proof is you living in america. the period of african enslavement in the americas was a brutual period, its long term effects are what we see today.

social and cultural conditioning replaces the need for a "fence", it replaces the need for 500 guards. it is itself its own set of handcuffs...exploit the mind, you control the person. period. there's your answer buddy

 

[water]

Was doing some research and came upon this website from Virginia.edu with images that we as a people forget and so in 2006 still wait to be saved by the white messiah.

http://hitchcock.itc.virginia.edu/Slavery/index.html

Click on "explore the collection" in the column to the left.


The approximately 1,200 images in this collection have been selected from a wide range of sources, most of them dating from the period of slavery. This collection is envisioned as a tool and a resource that can be used by teachers, researchers, students, and the general public - in brief, anyone interested in the experiences of Africans who were enslaved and transported to the Americas and the lives of their descendants in the slave societies of the New World.

Sample link: [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Physical Punishment, Rebellion, Running Away[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"A front and profile view of an African's head, with the mouth-piece and necklace, the hooks round which are placed to prevent an escapee when pursued in the woods, and to hinder them from laying down the head to procure rest. At A [see letter over mouth of figure on the right] is a flat iron which goes into the mouth, and so effectually keeps down the tongue, that nothing can be swallowed, not even the saliva, a passage for which is made through holes in the mouth-plate." On the lower right is an enlarged view of this mouth piece which "when long worn, becomes so heated as frequently to bring off the skin along with it." The lower left shows leg shackles used on the slave ships; also, "spurs used on some plantations in Antigua" (placed on the legs to prevent slaves from absconding).[/FONT][/FONT]

The part some whites don't get is that this was in 1807 i.e. 2 to 3 generations away.

While we talk about Sadaam, Lebanon etc...., we have to remember that we still have a lot of work to do. A lot of the youth in this generation take how far we have come for granted.........


Be easy.

Peace.

 

[NoodleArmWhimsy]

you must the EN-SLAVERY of African peoples...

 

[LANQS]

They who? Ivan Van Sertima? Fuck outta here.

You need serious help homie!!

For you descendants of Slaves.

 

[LANQS]

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The Barbary Treaties
Treaty with Morocco June 28 and July 15, 1786


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Treaty of Peace and Friendship, with additional article; also Ship-Signals Agreement. The treaty was sealed at Morocco with the seal of the Emperor of Morocco June 23, 1786 (25 Shaban, A. H. 1200), and delivered to Thomas Barclay, American Agent, June 28, 1786 (1 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in Arabic. The additional article was signed and sealed at Morocco on behalf of Morocco July 15, 1786 (18 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in Arabic. The Ship-Signals Agreement was signed at Morocco July 6, 1786 (9 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in English.

Certified English translations of the treaty and of the additional article were incorporated in a document signed and sealed by the Ministers Plenipotentiary of the United States, Thomas Jefferson at Paris January 1, 1787, and John Adams at London January 25, 1787.

Treaty and additional article ratified by the United States July 18, 1787. As to the ratification generally, see the notes. Treaty and additional article proclaimed July 18, 1787.

Ship-Signals Agreement not specifically included in the ratification and not proclaimed; but copies ordered by Congress July 23, 1787, to be sent to the Executives of the States (Secret Journals of Congress, IV, 869; but see the notes as to this reference).

[Certified Translation of the Treaty and of the Additional Article, with Approval by Jefferson and Adams)

To all Persons to whom these Presents shall come or be made known- Whereas the United States of America in Congress assembled by their Commission bearing date the twelvth day of May One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty four thought proper to constitute John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson their Ministers Plenipotentiary, giving to them or a Majority of them full Powers to confer, treat & negotiate with the Ambassador, Minister or Commissioner of His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco concerning a Treaty of Amity and Commerce, to make & receive propositions for such Treaty and to conclude and sign the same, transmitting it to the United States in Congress assembled for their final Ratification, And by one other (commission bearing date the Eleventh day of March One thousand Seven hundred & Eighty five did further empower the said Ministers Plenipotentiary or a majority of them, by writing under the* hands and Seals to appoint such Agent in the said Business as they might think proper with Authority under the directions and Instructions of the said Ministers to commence & prosecute the said Negotiations & Conferences for the said Treaty provided that the said Treaty should be signed by the said Ministers: And Whereas, We the said John Adams & Thomas Jefferson two of the said Ministers Plenipotentiary (the said Benjamin Franklin being absent) by writing under the Hand and Seal of the said John Adams at London October the fifth, One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty five, & of the said Thomas Jefferson at Paris October the Eleventh of the same Year, did appoint Thomas Barclay, Agent in the Business aforesaid, giving him the Powers therein, which by the said second Commission we were authorized to give, and the said Thomas Barclay in pursuance thereof, hath arranged Articles for a Treaty of Amity and Commerce between the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, which Articles written in the Arabic Language, confirmed by His said Majesty the Emperor of Morocco & seal'd with His Royal Seal, being translated into the Language of the said United States of America, together with the Attestations thereto annexed are in the following Words, To Wit.

In the name of Almighty God,

This is a Treaty of Peace and Friendship established between us and the United States of America, which is confirmed, and which we have ordered to be written in this Book and sealed with our Royal Seal at our Court of Morocco on the twenty fifth day of the blessed Month of Shaban, in the Year One thousand two hundred, trusting in God it will remain permanent.

.1.
We declare that both Parties have agreed that this Treaty consisting of twenty five Articles shall be inserted in this Book and delivered to the Honorable Thomas Barclay, the Agent of the United States now at our Court, with whose Approbation it has been made and who is duly authorized on their Part, to treat with us concerning all the Matters contained therein.

.2.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation whatever, the other Party shall not take a Commission from the Enemy nor fight under their Colors.

.3.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation whatever and take a Prize belonging to that Nation, and there shall be found on board Subjects or Effects belonging to either of the Parties, the Subjects shall be set at Liberty and the Effects returned to the Owners. And if any Goods belonging to any Nation, with whom either of the Parties shall be at War, shall be loaded on Vessels belonging to the other Party, they shall pass free and unmolested without any attempt being made to take or detain them.

.4.
A Signal or Pass shall be given to all Vessels belonging to both Parties, by which they are to be known when they meet at Sea, and if the Commander of a Ship of War of either Party shall have other Ships under his Convoy, the Declaration of the Commander shall alone be sufficient to exempt any of them from examination.

.5.
If either of the Parties shall be at War, and shall meet a Vessel at Sea, belonging to the other, it is agreed that if an examination is to be made, it shall be done by sending a Boat with two or three Men only, and if any Gun shall be Bred and injury done without Reason, the offending Party shall make good all damages.

.6.
If any Moor shall bring Citizens of the United States or their Effects to His Majesty, the Citizens shall immediately be set at Liberty and the Effects restored, and in like Manner, if any Moor not a Subject of these Dominions shall make Prize of any of the Citizens of America or their Effects and bring them into any of the Ports of His Majesty, they shall be immediately released, as they will then be considered as under His Majesty's Protection.

.7.
If any Vessel of either Party shall put into a Port of the other and have occasion for Provisions or other Supplies, they shall be furnished without any interruption or molestation.

If any Vessel of the United States shall meet with a Disaster at Sea and put into one of our Ports to repair, she shall be at Liberty to land and reload her cargo, without paying any Duty whatever.

.9.
If any Vessel of the United States shall be cast on Shore on any Part of our Coasts, she shall remain at the disposition of the Owners and no one shall attempt going near her without their Approbation, as she is then considered particularly under our Protection; and if any Vessel of the United States shall be forced to put into our Ports, by Stress of weather or otherwise, she shall not be compelled to land her Cargo, but shall remain in tranquillity untill the Commander shall think proper to proceed on his Voyage.

.10.
If any Vessel of either of the Parties shall have an engagement with a Vessel belonging to any of the Christian Powers within gunshot of the Forts of the other, the Vessel so engaged shall be defended and protected as much as possible untill she is in safety; And if any American Vessel shall be cast on shore on the Coast of Wadnoon (1) or any coast thereabout, the People belonging to her shall be protected, and assisted untill by the help of God, they shall be sent to their Country.

.11.
If we shall be at War with any Christian Power and any of our Vessels sail from the Ports of the United States, no Vessel belonging to the enemy shall follow untill twenty four hours after the Departure of our Vessels; and the same Regulation shall be observed towards the American Vessels sailing from our Ports.-be their enemies Moors or Christians.

.12.
If any Ship of War belonging to the United States shall put into any of our Ports, she shall not be examined on any Pretence whatever, even though she should have fugitive Slaves on Board, nor shall the Governor or Commander of the Place compel them to be brought on Shore on any pretext, nor require any payment for them.

.13.
If a Ship of War of either Party shall put into a Port of the other and salute, it shall be returned from the Fort, with an equal Number of Guns, not with more or less.

.14.
The Commerce with the United States shall be on the same footing as is the Commerce with Spain or as that with the most favored Nation for the time being and their Citizens shall be respected and esteemed and have full Liberty to pass and repass our Country and Sea Ports whenever they please without interruption.

.15.
Merchants of both Countries shall employ only such interpreters, & such other Persons to assist them in their Business, as they shall think proper. No Commander of a Vessel shall transport his Cargo on board another Vessel, he shall not be detained in Port, longer than he may think proper, and all persons employed in loading or unloading Goods or in any other Labor whatever, shall be paid at the Customary rates, not more and not less.

.16.
In case of a War between the Parties, the Prisoners are not to be made Slaves, but to be exchanged one for another, Captain for Captain, Officer for Officer and one private Man for another; and if there shall prove a deficiency on either side, it shall be made up by the payment of one hundred Mexican Dollars for each Person wanting; And it is agreed that all Prisoners shall be exchanged in twelve Months from the Time of their being taken, and that this exchange may be effected by a Merchant or any other Person authorized by either of the Parties.

.17.
Merchants shall not be compelled to buy or Sell any kind of Goods but such as they shall think proper; and may buy and sell all sorts of Merchandise but such as are prohibited to the other Christian Nations.

.18.
All goods shall be weighed and examined before they are sent on board, and to avoid all detention of Vessels, no examination shall afterwards be made, unless it shall first be proved, that contraband Goods have been sent on board, in which Case the Persons who took the contraband Goods on board shall be punished according to the Usage and Custom of the Country and no other Person whatever shall be injured, nor shall the Ship or Cargo incur any Penalty or damage whatever.

.19.
No vessel shall be detained in Port on any presence whatever, nor be obliged to take on board any Article without the consent of the Commander, who shall be at full Liberty to agree for the Freight of any Goods he takes on board.

.20.
If any of the Citizens of the United States, or any Persons under their Protection, shall have any disputes with each other, the Consul shall decide between the Parties and whenever the Consul shall require any Aid or Assistance from our Government to enforce his decisions it shall be immediately granted to him.

.21.
If a Citizen of the United States should kill or wound a Moor, or on the contrary if a Moor shall kill or wound a Citizen of the United States, the Law of the Country shall take place and equal Justice shall be rendered, the Consul assisting at the Tryal, and if any Delinquent shall make his escape, the Consul shall not be answerable for him in any manner whatever.

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If an American Citizen shall die in our Country and no Will shall appear, the Consul shall take possession of his Effects, and if there shall be no Consul, the Effects shall be deposited in the hands of some Person worthy of Trust, untill the Party shall appear who has a Right to demand them, but if the Heir to the Person deceased be present, the Property shall be delivered to him without interruption; and if a Will shall appear, the Property shall descend agreeable to that Will, as soon as the Consul shall declare the Validity thereof.

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The Consuls of the United States of America shall reside in any Sea Port of our Dominions that they shall think proper; And they shall be respected and enjoy all the Privileges which the Consuls of any other Nation enjoy, and if any of the Citizens of the United States shall contract any Debts or engagements, the Consul shall not be in any Manner accountable for them, unless he shall have given a Promise in writing for the payment or fulfilling thereof, without which promise in Writing no Application to him for any redress shall be made.

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If any differences shall arise by either Party infringing on any of the Articles of this Treaty, Peace and Harmony shall remain notwithstanding in the fullest force, untill a friendly Application shall be made for an Arrangement, and untill that Application shall be rejected, no appeal shall be made to Arms. And if a War shall break out between the Parties, Nine Months shall be granted to all the Subjects of both Parties, to dispose of their Effects and retire with their Property. And it is further declared that whatever indulgences in Trade or otherwise shall be granted to any of the Christian Powers, the Citizens of the United States shall be equally entitled to them.

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This Treaty shall continue in full Force, with the help of God for Fifty Years.

We have delivered this Book into the Hands of the before-mentioned Thomas Barclay on the first day of the blessed Month of Ramadan, in the Year One thousand two hundred.

I certify that the annex'd is a true Copy of the Translation made by Issac Cardoza Nunez, Interpreter at Morocco, of the treaty between the Emperor of Morocco and the United States of America.

THOS BARCLAY

(1) Or Ouadnoun, on the Atlantic coast, about latitude 29° N. Back

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[SaKem]

The Avalon Project at Yale Law School
The Barbary Treaties
Treaty with Morocco June 28 and July 15, 1786


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Treaty of Peace and Friendship, with additional article; also Ship-Signals Agreement. The treaty was sealed at Morocco with the seal of the Emperor of Morocco June 23, 1786 (25 Shaban, A. H. 1200), and delivered to Thomas Barclay, American Agent, June 28, 1786 (1 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in Arabic. The additional article was signed and sealed at Morocco on behalf of Morocco July 15, 1786 (18 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in Arabic. The Ship-Signals Agreement was signed at Morocco July 6, 1786 (9 Ramadan, A. H. 1200). Original in English.

Certified English translations of the treaty and of the additional article were incorporated in a document signed and sealed by the Ministers Plenipotentiary of the United States, Thomas Jefferson at Paris January 1, 1787, and John Adams at London January 25, 1787.

Treaty and additional article ratified by the United States July 18, 1787. As to the ratification generally, see the notes. Treaty and additional article proclaimed July 18, 1787.

Ship-Signals Agreement not specifically included in the ratification and not proclaimed; but copies ordered by Congress July 23, 1787, to be sent to the Executives of the States (Secret Journals of Congress, IV, 869; but see the notes as to this reference).

[Certified Translation of the Treaty and of the Additional Article, with Approval by Jefferson and Adams)

To all Persons to whom these Presents shall come or be made known- Whereas the United States of America in Congress assembled by their Commission bearing date the twelvth day of May One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty four thought proper to constitute John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson their Ministers Plenipotentiary, giving to them or a Majority of them full Powers to confer, treat & negotiate with the Ambassador, Minister or Commissioner of His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco concerning a Treaty of Amity and Commerce, to make & receive propositions for such Treaty and to conclude and sign the same, transmitting it to the United States in Congress assembled for their final Ratification, And by one other (commission bearing date the Eleventh day of March One thousand Seven hundred & Eighty five did further empower the said Ministers Plenipotentiary or a majority of them, by writing under the* hands and Seals to appoint such Agent in the said Business as they might think proper with Authority under the directions and Instructions of the said Ministers to commence & prosecute the said Negotiations & Conferences for the said Treaty provided that the said Treaty should be signed by the said Ministers: And Whereas, We the said John Adams & Thomas Jefferson two of the said Ministers Plenipotentiary (the said Benjamin Franklin being absent) by writing under the Hand and Seal of the said John Adams at London October the fifth, One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty five, & of the said Thomas Jefferson at Paris October the Eleventh of the same Year, did appoint Thomas Barclay, Agent in the Business aforesaid, giving him the Powers therein, which by the said second Commission we were authorized to give, and the said Thomas Barclay in pursuance thereof, hath arranged Articles for a Treaty of Amity and Commerce between the United States of America and His Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, which Articles written in the Arabic Language, confirmed by His said Majesty the Emperor of Morocco & seal'd with His Royal Seal, being translated into the Language of the said United States of America, together with the Attestations thereto annexed are in the following Words, To Wit.

In the name of Almighty God,

This is a Treaty of Peace and Friendship established between us and the United States of America, which is confirmed, and which we have ordered to be written in this Book and sealed with our Royal Seal at our Court of Morocco on the twenty fifth day of the blessed Month of Shaban, in the Year One thousand two hundred, trusting in God it will remain permanent.

.1.
We declare that both Parties have agreed that this Treaty consisting of twenty five Articles shall be inserted in this Book and delivered to the Honorable Thomas Barclay, the Agent of the United States now at our Court, with whose Approbation it has been made and who is duly authorized on their Part, to treat with us concerning all the Matters contained therein.

.2.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation whatever, the other Party shall not take a Commission from the Enemy nor fight under their Colors.

.3.
If either of the Parties shall be at War with any Nation whatever and take a Prize belonging to that Nation, and there shall be found on board Subjects or Effects belonging to either of the Parties, the Subjects shall be set at Liberty and the Effects returned to the Owners. And if any Goods belonging to any Nation, with whom either of the Parties shall be at War, shall be loaded on Vessels belonging to the other Party, they shall pass free and unmolested without any attempt being made to take or detain them.

.4.
A Signal or Pass shall be given to all Vessels belonging to both Parties, by which they are to be known when they meet at Sea, and if the Commander of a Ship of War of either Party shall have other Ships under his Convoy, the Declaration of the Commander shall alone be sufficient to exempt any of them from examination.

.5.
If either of the Parties shall be at War, and shall meet a Vessel at Sea, belonging to the other, it is agreed that if an examination is to be made, it shall be done by sending a Boat with two or three Men only, and if any Gun shall be Bred and injury done without Reason, the offending Party shall make good all damages.

.6.
If any Moor shall bring Citizens of the United States or their Effects to His Majesty, the Citizens shall immediately be set at Liberty and the Effects restored, and in like Manner, if any Moor not a Subject of these Dominions shall make Prize of any of the Citizens of America or their Effects and bring them into any of the Ports of His Majesty, they shall be immediately released, as they will then be considered as under His Majesty's Protection.

.7.
If any Vessel of either Party shall put into a Port of the other and have occasion for Provisions or other Supplies, they shall be furnished without any interruption or molestation.

If any Vessel of the United States shall meet with a Disaster at Sea and put into one of our Ports to repair, she shall be at Liberty to land and reload her cargo, without paying any Duty whatever.

.9.
If any Vessel of the United States shall be cast on Shore on any Part of our Coasts, she shall remain at the disposition of the Owners and no one shall attempt going near her without their Approbation, as she is then considered particularly under our Protection; and if any Vessel of the United States shall be forced to put into our Ports, by Stress of weather or otherwise, she shall not be compelled to land her Cargo, but shall remain in tranquillity untill the Commander shall think proper to proceed on his Voyage.

.10.
If any Vessel of either of the Parties shall have an engagement with a Vessel belonging to any of the Christian Powers within gunshot of the Forts of the other, the Vessel so engaged shall be defended and protected as much as possible untill she is in safety; And if any American Vessel shall be cast on shore on the Coast of Wadnoon (1) or any coast thereabout, the People belonging to her shall be protected, and assisted untill by the help of God, they shall be sent to their Country.

.11.
If we shall be at War with any Christian Power and any of our Vessels sail from the Ports of the United States, no Vessel belonging to the enemy shall follow untill twenty four hours after the Departure of our Vessels; and the same Regulation shall be observed towards the American Vessels sailing from our Ports.-be their enemies Moors or Christians.

.12.
If any Ship of War belonging to the United States shall put into any of our Ports, she shall not be examined on any Pretence whatever, even though she should have fugitive Slaves on Board, nor shall the Governor or Commander of the Place compel them to be brought on Shore on any pretext, nor require any payment for them.

.13.
If a Ship of War of either Party shall put into a Port of the other and salute, it shall be returned from the Fort, with an equal Number of Guns, not with more or less.

.14.
The Commerce with the United States shall be on the same footing as is the Commerce with Spain or as that with the most favored Nation for the time being and their Citizens shall be respected and esteemed and have full Liberty to pass and repass our Country and Sea Ports whenever they please without interruption.

.15.
Merchants of both Countries shall employ only such interpreters, & such other Persons to assist them in their Business, as they shall think proper. No Commander of a Vessel shall transport his Cargo on board another Vessel, he shall not be detained in Port, longer than he may think proper, and all persons employed in loading or unloading Goods or in any other Labor whatever, shall be paid at the Customary rates, not more and not less.

.16.
In case of a War between the Parties, the Prisoners are not to be made Slaves, but to be exchanged one for another, Captain for Captain, Officer for Officer and one private Man for another; and if there shall prove a deficiency on either side, it shall be made up by the payment of one hundred Mexican Dollars for each Person wanting; And it is agreed that all Prisoners shall be exchanged in twelve Months from the Time of their being taken, and that this exchange may be effected by a Merchant or any other Person authorized by either of the Parties.

.17.
Merchants shall not be compelled to buy or Sell any kind of Goods but such as they shall think proper; and may buy and sell all sorts of Merchandise but such as are prohibited to the other Christian Nations.

.18.
All goods shall be weighed and examined before they are sent on board, and to avoid all detention of Vessels, no examination shall afterwards be made, unless it shall first be proved, that contraband Goods have been sent on board, in which Case the Persons who took the contraband Goods on board shall be punished according to the Usage and Custom of the Country and no other Person whatever shall be injured, nor shall the Ship or Cargo incur any Penalty or damage whatever.

.19.
No vessel shall be detained in Port on any presence whatever, nor be obliged to take on board any Article without the consent of the Commander, who shall be at full Liberty to agree for the Freight of any Goods he takes on board.

.20.
If any of the Citizens of the United States, or any Persons under their Protection, shall have any disputes with each other, the Consul shall decide between the Parties and whenever the Consul shall require any Aid or Assistance from our Government to enforce his decisions it shall be immediately granted to him.

.21.
If a Citizen of the United States should kill or wound a Moor, or on the contrary if a Moor shall kill or wound a Citizen of the United States, the Law of the Country shall take place and equal Justice shall be rendered, the Consul assisting at the Tryal, and if any Delinquent shall make his escape, the Consul shall not be answerable for him in any manner whatever.

.22.
If an American Citizen shall die in our Country and no Will shall appear, the Consul shall take possession of his Effects, and if there shall be no Consul, the Effects shall be deposited in the hands of some Person worthy of Trust, untill the Party shall appear who has a Right to demand them, but if the Heir to the Person deceased be present, the Property shall be delivered to him without interruption; and if a Will shall appear, the Property shall descend agreeable to that Will, as soon as the Consul shall declare the Validity thereof.

.23.
The Consuls of the United States of America shall reside in any Sea Port of our Dominions that they shall think proper; And they shall be respected and enjoy all the Privileges which the Consuls of any other Nation enjoy, and if any of the Citizens of the United States shall contract any Debts or engagements, the Consul shall not be in any Manner accountable for them, unless he shall have given a Promise in writing for the payment or fulfilling thereof, without which promise in Writing no Application to him for any redress shall be made.

.24.
If any differences shall arise by either Party infringing on any of the Articles of this Treaty, Peace and Harmony shall remain notwithstanding in the fullest force, untill a friendly Application shall be made for an Arrangement, and untill that Application shall be rejected, no appeal shall be made to Arms. And if a War shall break out between the Parties, Nine Months shall be granted to all the Subjects of both Parties, to dispose of their Effects and retire with their Property. And it is further declared that whatever indulgences in Trade or otherwise shall be granted to any of the Christian Powers, the Citizens of the United States shall be equally entitled to them.

.25.
This Treaty shall continue in full Force, with the help of God for Fifty Years.

We have delivered this Book into the Hands of the before-mentioned Thomas Barclay on the first day of the blessed Month of Ramadan, in the Year One thousand two hundred.

I certify that the annex'd is a true Copy of the Translation made by Issac Cardoza Nunez, Interpreter at Morocco, of the treaty between the Emperor of Morocco and the United States of America.

THOS BARCLAY

(1) Or Ouadnoun, on the Atlantic coast, about latitude 29° N. Back

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Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America.
Edited by Hunter Miller
Volume 2
Documents 1-40 : 1776-1818
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1931.

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DaleMarbry,
If you don't know ask an Attorney Homie!! You don't know shit.

Good Job Brotha, most people DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS, IT WAS NOT TOUGHT IN SCHOOL. I Never researched to see if we have any moorish brothas or sistas in my family, I don't know how. :--/ Many black people do tho, they just don't know anything. I had a friend who's grandfather was Moorish. I got into it with a professor of mine about this, and beat her. I also had some photo proof.

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

Limited????


Have you even started to read ANYTHING about slavery?

Are you waiting for someone to spoon feed you????

Please give us some titles you read so far.............



Well start here you lazy bastard:

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=121830

AT THE FACT YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ABOUT SLAVERY IS TRUE, AND ALSO MOSTLY WRITTEN BY WHITE PEOPLE. THATS THE PROBLEM YOU ASSUME YOU KNOW EVERYTHING BUT YOU KNOW NOTHING.

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

What the fuck is your problem????


This is your line of reasoning???





Posting 101: For Undercover Whiteboys on BGOL

FROM THE RESPONSES YOU GIVEN I DO NOW BELIEVE SLAVERY WAS POSSIBLE LIKE THEY SAY. BECAUSE ALL I SEE IS ONE BROTHER( I ASSUME YOUR BLACK) TRYING TO DOWN AND CORRECT ANOTHER BLACK MAN( BUT WONT CHECK WHITEY FOR SLAVERY) YOU ARE THE KIND OF BROTHER WHO SOLD YOUR BROTHER FOR YOUR OWN GAIN BROTHER.

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

since he seems sincere (sorta) i'll humor him for a minute..

slavery is an economic institution. what happend in the americas was an economic institution. therefore slave groups are chosen for a skill set or talent or a particular use. (africans are experts in crop production in less than optimal climates - rice, cotton, soya, etc, which were the cash crops of the americas) how slavery was enforced initially was the exploition of a spiritual and social culture (using beliefs against the potential slave group), then the replacement of a spiritual and social culture (the potential slave owner's culture), then the justification of the instutition through the exploitation of the potential slave group's culture through the slave owner's force of his own culture (african religion bad, white religion good), then add a generational fear and the diminishing of the potential slave group's culture within 1-3 generations. this is cultural conditioning that because of fear, replaces the former culture and becomes the accepted norm.

now to your thought process, there are always things that will go against the norm. but slavery was a well known and accepted practice for hundreds of years. there is documented proof of that. hell, the proof is you living in america. the period of african enslavement in the americas was a brutual period, its long term effects are what we see today.

social and cultural conditioning replaces the need for a "fence", it replaces the need for 500 guards. it is itself its own set of handcuffs...exploit the mind, you control the person. period. there's your answer buddy

SO PROOF OF SLAVERY IS BLACKS LIVING IN AMERICA, YOU DO KNOW THERE WERE BLACKS HERE BEFORE SLAVERY AND EVER BLACK PERSON IN AMERICA IS NOT A PRODUCT OF SLAVERY. THIS IS MY POINT BY THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE SHOWS YOU DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY OF SLAVERY

 

[Brnpit]

it brought more illegal aliens into the new world.

 

[hawk919]

I'm not trying to be provocative here but I have a problem with your assertion (in bold) that I find hard to reconcile...help me out.
My understanding of the trans -Atlantic slave trade is, Africans were captured by other Africans, either on slave specific missions or as a by product of tribal wars, deliberately started/provoked or otherwise and sold on to the Europeans who transported them to the Americas. The slaves were from many various tribes and as in all power struggles there were winners and loosers. So one tribe may be the victor of one war and the captured loosers would be sold on as slaves, the next time that tribe may be on the loosing side and so on.
Obviously there were some tribes that built up and prospered on the back of the slave trade eg the Benin and the Ashanti kingdoms.
You assertion that 'African Americans' are the 'true jews' would mean that only one specific tribe was sort out and captured to be sold into slavery.....I think dna research has provided us with enough evidence to conclude that slaves were captured from many varying tribes......so that would mean that not all slaves are from this one true jew tribe...secondly who are the african descendants of this Jew tribe that remained in Africa, ie were not captured?
If someone could shed a little light on this for me I'd be most grateful.

There are 12 Tribes of Israel

The 12 tribes were scatterd across the four corners of the Earth do to their unbelief and disobedience to God.

The tribe of judah ( King David and Jesus were from the tribe of Judah) were the tribe with the darkest skin color.

When Israel disobeyed God, God let the Babylonians destroy Israel and take Israelite Slaves. Some tribes escaped and were scattered, A lot died, and most from the tribe of judah were taken as Babylonian Slaves.

Babylonians were Africans from Modern day Ethiopia. Babylon was a very evil and cruel nation ruled by Nimrod the son of Cush who was the son of Ham. Ham is the father of all African Nations. Ham and all his generations was also cursed by his father Noah for laughing at his nakedness after the flood.

The tribe of Judah were taken into African Slavery by the Babylonians/Ethiopians and stayed in Africa for centuries.

When the white man came to Africa looking for slaves the Africans gave them their slaves which were the Judeans.
Thats how we got to this country

Thats why in Africa genocide is so prevalent. It looks like Africans are killing each other for no reason, but thats not whats happening.

The true Africans are killing off the Judean/Israelite remnants. Thats why the killing is so bad over there, thats why Africans hate "African Americans".

After a while the Africans ran out of Judeans/Israelites(The modern day "African-Americans") to give to the white man. Thats when they started selling their own people and rival tribes.

 

[BENBRIZZLE]

AND SOMEONE SAID I SHOULD DELETE THIS THREAD. DO YOU BLACK PEOPLE SEE THE DIVERSE KNOWLEDGE ON AFRICANS AND AFRO AMERICANS BEING KICK AROUND THIS POST BY PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE

BEAUTIFUL

 

[charlie dark]

There are 12 Tribes of Israel

The 12 tribes were scatterd across the four corners of the Earth do to their unbelief and disobedience to God.


The tribe of judah ( King David and Jesus were from the tribe of Judah) were the tribe with the darkest skin color.

When Israel disobeyed God, God let the Babylonians destroy Israel and take Israelite Slaves. Some tribes escaped and were scattered, A lot died, and most from the tribe of judah were taken as Babylonian Slaves.

Babylonians were Africans from Modern day Ethiopia. Babylon was a very evil and cruel nation ruled by Nimrod the son of Cush who was the son of Ham. Ham is the father of all African Nations. Ham and all his generations was also cursed by his father Noah for laughing at his nakedness after the flood.

The tribe of Judah were taken into African Slavery by the Babylonians/Ethiopians and stayed in Africa for centuries.

When the white man came to Africa looking for slaves the Africans gave them their slaves which were the Judeans.
Thats how we got to this country

Thats why in Africa genocide is so prevalent. It looks like Africans are killing each other for no reason, but thats not whats happening.

The true Africans are killing off the Judean/Israelite remnants. Thats why the killing is so bad over there, thats why Africans hate "African Americans".

After a while the Africans ran out of Judeans/Israelites(The modern day "African-Americans") to give to the white man. Thats when they started selling their own people and rival tribes.

Hmmm...man I don't think you can prove any of that.
The first part that I've highlighted in blue is a story as told in the Bible, so I'm not gonna comment on it.If you believe in it I'll take it as your religion and I'm not gonna get into a religious argument. (not in this thread anyway)
Where your point begins to loose weight is where you start draw unsubstantiated conclusions:
'When the white man came to Africa looking for slaves the Africans gave them their slaves which were the Judeans.
Thats how we got to this country' You know this how? When the white man came to Africa, they might well have been given their existing slaves but how can you conclude that these slaves were so called Judeans/Israelites. Don't forget more than one European country came to Africa and dealt with many different tribes, where's the proof that all these tribes kept slaves from the same ethnic group ie. Judeans?. I'mn quite sure the Europeans weren't conducting a census on all the captured.

Thats why in Africa genocide is so prevalent. It looks like Africans are killing each other for no reason, but thats not whats happening. This is a sweeping statement that doesn't ring true.Most cases of genocide in Africa have actually been committed by Non-Africans against Black Africans. The other acts of genocide by black Africans against black Africans have if you delve closer had external forces that influenced proceedings.

The true Africans are killing off the Judean/Israelite remnants. Thats why the killing is so bad over there, thats why Africans hate "African Americans".

This statement beggars belief.....You cannot be seriously putting this forward in any way shape or form as a serious argument. I challenge you to find a single African that will say 'yes I hate African Americans because they are Judean/Isralite remnants.....They won't even know what your talking about.


After a while the Africans ran out of Judeans/Israelites(The modern day "African-Americans") to give to the white man. Thats when they started selling their own people and rival tribes.
Even if this was true that would mean that African Americans and so called other Africans were sold as slaves, so 200 years after the endi of the trade, how could you differentiate your self as a Judean/Isralite or any other African?

 

[96ST]

slowie

 

[SirRahX]

Our last NAMES is some proof of slavery. African immigrants keep their last name like other immigrants do. Most ethnic people have ethnic names. Willie Johnson was a descendent of slaves.

Black people in this country are the only people who came over involuntary

 

[oh snap]

The reason blacks became slaves is becuz the took us from our lands to a place we didnt know. Around other africans who didnt speak the same language. The whites that were indentured servants could leave and mix in the population, blacks couldnt. The Native Americans that didnt die from disease knew the land better than white men so they could escape and it would be a fight against a Indian tribe to get them back, blacks also couldnt do that. The racism and oppression was put into the structure of this country. They think they are superior and that mentality was put into the structure of this country.​

How'd you wind up the strength and overcome the headache to post such a good answer to this ignorant thread? All I could do was

That “well Africans helped sell their people as slaves!!!!!111” argument some white folks say to make themselves feel better about slavery is so unintentionally humorous, I don’t know why they bother. Slavery has existed as long as human beings have. Africa is a continent, by the way. With different tribes, people, cultures and values in and out itself. Yes but I’m sure the slavers were only capitalizing on their [the AFRICANS] own idea so its not really ‘our’ [EUROPEANS] fault right…there is NO, absolutely NO justification for the dehumanizing of people period.

Chattel slavery, a uniquely racial concept, was the only form of slavery where systemic measures were taken to de-humanize an entire race of people, and make them disconnected from anything good or redeeming about their heritage. It wa the only form of slavery, with the exception of the Jews capture by the Babylonians, where one could not rise above the status of slave, and where a child was born into it. Also, the Babylonians didn’t make the Jews give up any of the things that made them Jewish…chattel slavery did. Now tell me to just “get over” 400+ years of all of that…

Get over a system that still affects their descendants to this day. A system where we are the only race unable to our their ancestors no further than a few generations. A system that raped our women, separated entire families, were treated with unspeakable cruelty, etc.

But it was a hundreds of years ago right? Hate those who try and tell me that shit.

 

[oh snap]

Our last NAMES is some proof of slavery. African immigrants keep their last name like other immigrants do. Most ethnic people have ethnic names. Willie Johnson was a descendent of slaves.

Black people in this country are the only people who came over involuntary

 

[audio syndicate]

SO PROOF OF SLAVERY IS BLACKS LIVING IN AMERICA, YOU DO KNOW THERE WERE BLACKS HERE BEFORE SLAVERY AND EVER BLACK PERSON IN AMERICA IS NOT A PRODUCT OF SLAVERY. THIS IS MY POINT BY THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE SHOWS YOU DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY OF SLAVERY

you're a moron, seriously...

there weren't many blacks living in america before slavery. the bottom line whether you want to believe your own lies or not, is the slave trade brought blacks to america, period. now go kill yourself

 

[Tru_Cannon]

ONE WORD.... Reparations!!

 

[LANQS]

Our last NAMES is some proof of slavery. African immigrants keep their last name like other immigrants do. Most ethnic people have ethnic names. Willie Johnson was a descendent of slaves.

Black people in this country are the only people who came over involuntary

Speak for yourself homie. My Last name is DUNCAN from the Moors of Alba,Pictland or Pictavia(pre scotland).

I have jus sanguis rights in this bitch and also in other countries.

 

[SirRahX]

Speak for yourself homie. My Last name is DUNCAN from the Moors of Alba,Pictland or Pictavia(pre scotland).

I have jus sanguis rights in this bitch and also in other countries.

Duncan is of Celtic Orgin(european)

 

[KTD]

Nah black people went to the West Indies for vacation and America to help the economy with their intelligence they bout to go back to Africa next week.



Whites only came to America to satisfy their sick fantasies of having sex with Indian women and killing their men they bout to be home next week also.

 

[LANQS]

Duncan is of Celtic Orgin(european)

Alba and the United Scotland
Alba is the ancient and modern Gaelic name for the country of Scotland.

Kenneth MacAlpin (c. 810 - 858; Cinaed mac Ailpin) was king of the Picts and the first king of Scotland.

The myth called 'MacAlpin's Treason' tells how Alba was born when the Dalriadan Kenneth MacAlpin conquered the Picts. However, modern studies dispute Kenneth's Dalriadan roots and consider Kenneth and his successors to be Pictish Kings. Kenneth's son Constantine had the 'Series Longoir' written to show his family's claim to the throne of a united Pictland. The triumph of Gaelic over Pictish and the change from Pictland to Alba is placed in the half-century reign of Constantine mac Aeda. The reasons are not known.

At first this new kingdom corresponded to Scotland north of the Rivers Forth and Clyde. Southwest Scotland remained under the control of the Strathclyde Britons. Southeast Scotland was under the control from around 638 CE of the proto-English kingdom of Bernicia, then of the Kingdom of Northumbria. This portion of Scotland was contested from the time of Constantine II and finally fell into Scottish hands in 1018, when Malcolm II pushed the border as far south as the River Tweed. This remains the south-eastern border to this day (except around Berwick-upon-Tweed).

Scotland, in the geographical sense it has retained for nearly a millennium, completed its expansion by the gradual incorporation of the Britons' kingdom of Strathclyde into Alba. In 1034, Duncan I, who had been appointed to the (Briton) Crown of Strathclyde some years earlier, inherited Alba from his maternal grandfather, Malcolm II. With the exception of Orkney, the Western Isles, Caithness and Sutherland, which had come under the sway of the Norse, Scotland stood unified.

Macbeth, the 'Cenel Loairn' candidate for the throne whose family had been suppressed by Malcolm II, defeated Duncan in battle in 1040. Macbeth then ruled for seventeen years before Duncan's son Malcolm III, more commonly known as Malcolm Canmore (Scottish Gaelic: Ceann mor meaning 'Big Head'), overthrew him and, after killing his step-son Lulach, became king.

The Black Scots
A curious aspect of this early history concerns various stories around Kenneth.
King Kenneth was also known as 'Kenneth the Niger' or Kenneth Dubh, a surname which means 'the black man'. It is a matter of history that many seafaring warriors were North African, travelled via Iberia into Europe, and joined in many cultures and held power and position. Niger Val Dubh lived and reigned over certain black divisions in Scotland, and some histories state that a race known as 'the sons of the blacks' succeeded him. (e.g. see JA Rogers, Sex and Race).
Kenneth III was king of Scotland from 997 to 1005. He was the son of King Dubh (Dub mac Mail Choluim - 962-967), fourth cousin of the previous king Constantine III, and first cousin of his successor Malcolm II. Kenneth was the last king of Scotland to succeed to the throne through the tanistry system, whereby the succession was shared between two family lines and the dying king named his successor from the other family line. This system led to constant struggle between the ruling families and was abandoned. Kenneth and his son Giric were both killed at Monzievaird, Tayside in 1005. His first cousin Malcolm succeeded him and abolished the tanistry system by killing all of his male descendants. However Kenneth had a granddaughter, Gruoch, via his daughter Boite, whose first husband was Gillacomgain. They had a son called Lulach. She then married King Macbeth I of Scotland (becoming Lady Macbeth). On the death of Macbeth her son via her first marriage, Kenneth III's great grandson, succeeded to the throne, to become King Lulach of Scotland. According to this history, the blood of Kenneth flows through the royal houses of Scotland.

Whether Dubh meant black or dark, as in north-African / southern-European, we may never know for sure. But the story captures a curious fact about the Gaels from Gallicia - some were dark and have left many traces in Irish, Welsh and Scots

clanshttp://www.clans.org.uk/hist_5.html

Duncan, means DARK SKINNED WARRIOR. Would a Caucasian be called that in those times???

I tell my own history homie, you tell yours.

 

[Ben Isma-El]

I WAS SITTING THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WALKED IN AND MY GIRLS WAS WATCHING THE BOONDOCKS (NOT MY CUP OF TEA) BUT IT WAS A EP ABOUT CATCHER FREEMAN, AND IN WATCHIND I SAW A SCENARIO IN WHICH THE SLAVES WERE MAKING FUN OF THE "MASTER" AND IT GOT ME THINKING.

WAS SLAVERY REAL OR WAS IT A "MIND TRICK" TO SOMEHOW PAINT BLACKS AS WEAK AND STUPID OR ON THE OTHER HAND PAINT BLACKS AS SO TRIFLING THAT THEY WOULD SELL THERE BROTHERS TO WHITE PEOPLE FOR A LITTLE OF NOTHING.
AND I AM IN NO WAY INSINUATING THAT BLACKS HAVENT BEEN THROUGH SOME THINGS, BUT THERE ARE MANY REFERENCES TO SUCCESSFUL BLACK PEOPLE ALL THROUGH HISTORY (BLACK WALL STREET, MADAM CJ WALKER William Alexander Leidesdorff ) TO NAME A FEW BUT MY POINT IS SEEING SOME OF THE THINGS WHITES HAVE DONE COULD SLAVERY HAVE BEEN A BIT OF A EXAGGERATION ON THEIR PART TO PAINT US IN A BAD LIGHT. BECAUSE I JUST DONT SEE ANY ONE MAN CONTROLLING A GROUP OF 50 OR MORE PEOPLE WITH A "SIX SHOOTER" ESPECIALLY A GROUP OF BROTHER BEING CONTROLLED BY A CRACKA.

That is a legitimate question brother. If you really seek the truth start here
http://www.moorishsciencetempleofamericainc.com/

Knowledge Is Power

 

[Bain316]

 

[TREY-GA]

I WAS SITTING THE OTHER DAY WHEN I WALKED IN AND MY GIRLS WAS WATCHING THE BOONDOCKS (NOT MY CUP OF TEA) BUT IT WAS A EP ABOUT CATCHER FREEMAN, AND IN WATCHIND I SAW A SCENARIO IN WHICH THE SLAVES WERE MAKING FUN OF THE "MASTER" AND IT GOT ME THINKING.

WAS SLAVERY REAL OR WAS IT A "MIND TRICK" TO SOMEHOW PAINT BLACKS AS WEAK AND STUPID OR ON THE OTHER HAND PAINT BLACKS AS SO TRIFLING THAT THEY WOULD SELL THERE BROTHERS TO WHITE PEOPLE FOR A LITTLE OF NOTHING.
AND I AM IN NO WAY INSINUATING THAT BLACKS HAVENT BEEN THROUGH SOME THINGS, BUT THERE ARE MANY REFERENCES TO SUCCESSFUL BLACK PEOPLE ALL THROUGH HISTORY (BLACK WALL STREET, MADAM CJ WALKER William Alexander Leidesdorff ) TO NAME A FEW BUT MY POINT IS SEEING SOME OF THE THINGS WHITES HAVE DONE COULD SLAVERY HAVE BEEN A BIT OF A EXAGGERATION ON THEIR PART TO PAINT US IN A BAD LIGHT. BECAUSE I JUST DONT SEE ANY ONE MAN CONTROLLING A GROUP OF 50 OR MORE PEOPLE WITH A "SIX SHOOTER" ESPECIALLY A GROUP OF BROTHER BEING CONTROLLED BY A CRACKA.

..to a start a supposedly serious thread about SLAVERY with reference to a cartoon, "mind tricks" and reference successful Black people through history with 3 names as if that sums up an entire race of people is a joke in itself...I doubt you're Black, and I certainly doubt your sincerity of being concerned about SLAVERY and the history of Black people in America...but I will say this....without a doubt SLAVERY was real, the full story has never been properly told , and the real torture and pain our people went through has never been captured fully in text or on the screen..torture, rape, starvation, castration, beatings, hangings,beheadings....I'm sure we would all be shocked if we knew all that really happened..